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This episode we catch up with each other while talking about Kanye West, and the Black and White Church.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/jamesgardin/support

In this episode we talk about the balance of being humble and confident in yourself. There are extremes on both sides, but we realize in our discussion that it's all about finding a delicate balance. Follow James At Instagram: @JamesGardinmusic Twitter: @JamesGardin Follow  Patrick At  Instagram: @patricksauer Twitter : @patrick_sauer --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/jamesgardin/support