In this episode, Jason Stein interviews Dianne A. Allen, a gifted intuitive mentor, author, speaker, podcast host, and SSP technician, determined to help people break free from outdated thinking, reshape their personal narrative, and let their light shine. A talented and gifted person herself, Dianne is well-versed in helping people of all paths make friends with the trials and tribulations of being gifted. She knows the gifted experience comes with brilliance, wonder, and insatiable curiosity… and overstimulation, loneliness, and frequent misunderstanding. Over the past four decades, she’s worked with kids, coaches, CEOs, and Grammy winners alike to help them realize their truth, manage their highs and lows, and find a community where they’ll feel seen and celebrated. Join Dianne and Jason as they talk about: The “shadow side” of giftedness Helping others see the greatness inside themselves How to be a good steward of your own being Ensuring financial flow in unpredictable economies The important connection between the Vagus Nerve and the nervous system How to share your truth… and be heard The importance of having a community. The incredible power of words and their ability to jumpstart - or hinder - your growth Connect with Ms. Dianne Allen Website: MsDianneAllen.com Visions Applied (Dianne’s publishing company) - VisionsApplied.com Someone Gets Me Podcast: someonegetsme.podbean.com Someone Gets Me Community: members.someonegetsme.com Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/msdianneallen LinkedIn: https://www.instagram.com/dianne_a_allen/?hl=en Instagram: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dianneallen/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOu4J24z4iz3Dskj8RIg5jQ?disable_polymer=true Transcript: Jason Stein 0:01 Hi, this is Jason Stein, and welcome to another episode of the Wellness Renegades Podcast. Here, we explore the crossroads of wellness entrepreneurs like you and me, who are committed to making money while helping others live healthier lives, people who are going up against big pharma insurance conglomerates, and the mainstream medical models. In each episode, we journey into the challenges and breakthroughs it takes to own your own business, pave the path through conventional medicine, and truly become a Wellness Renegade. Today I'm here with Ms. Dianne Allen. Welcome, Dianne. Dianne Allen 0:42 Hi, Jason. I'm glad to be here. Jason Stein 0:45 Let's go ahead and tell the listeners just a little bit about who you are. Because I know you to be someone that's worked with Grammy winners, someone who's been a best selling author, someone who understands what it is to be talented and gifted, someone who understands addiction - the list goes on and on. So, in one sentence tell the listeners who you are. Dianne Allen 1:09 One sentence: I am a gifted intuitive that helps people break out of the trance of living a life lower than they should and bring out their light - no matter what way it is,-whether it's free from addiction, or make friends with being gifted or all of those different things you just mentioned about me - because my core belief is that everybody has the right to health, wellness and happiness. And, the only thing in our way, is believing lies and our own belief systems that hold us back. So, my mission is to help people break through all of that, so that we're not living the lie anymore. Jason Stein 1:46 It's so interesting: there are so many lies these days! Both in our own head and in geopolitics everywhere. So, what I'm really - I'm gonna roll up my sleeves with you today because I'm really interested in the conversation of talented and gifted. And for children, we know what that means: they go into TAG (Talented and Gifted) programs, they're in advanced classes, they're in college credit. But as an adult, there's this word I'm learning about: "2e." What, what the hell is that? What does that even mean "2e?" Dianne Allen 2:20 "2e" is the short term that we use in the gifted world, it means twice-exceptional, which means the person is gifted, which means a high IQ with overexcitability and all of the gifted pieces. And there are other variants as well, like executive functioning issues, or maybe ADHD, or their learning strategy is different, or they're very, very sensitive, or they're very intuitive, or an empath. And so, this person not only has the challenges of being gifted (which has its own challenges), but they also have another overlying situation happening. So they need even more support and more guidance and assistance from people who are a little further down the road because sometimes it can get very tricky. So like I'm 2e, I have more than one thing going on. Most of the people I work with do, whether they call it that or not. That label comes mostly through the educators and gifted people. So the medical model, people don't use that. They don't - most of them don't even know what it is. And so it's - it's those of us who are really engaged with helping people live their vision. And two, we can get overlooked and misdiagnosed all the time. Jason Stein 3:31 Well, I'm really curious about this, because I'm wondering like a grown adult who is either successful or striving for success? How many of them are willing to say, "Well, I'm twice exceptional?" Dianne Allen 3:46 Probably none, unless they have been educated on what that really means. Jason Stein 3:51 Mm-hmm. Dianne Allen 3:51 And I most of the people that I work with Jason, they wouldn't call themselves gifted until I kind of helped them see that it's an asset that they maybe have been labeling as a liability. Or they had the misconception that calling themselves gifted or twice exceptional was an elitist kind of comment. And really, that's not the case, so they have to kind of make friends with themselves first. Most adults wouldn't use that language unless they're taught what it really means and can see that yes, you know, it's an exceptionality - but it doesn't mean that there's something wrong. Jason Stein 4:23 So what happens to these people? Like, I think about, if we're using this chewy terminology of the kids in high school, there was one kid I know that got a perfect score on his LSAT. Clearly, he had other challenges. And so, when we're thinking about, like, educationally, children get a tremendous amount of support when they are high functioning and they are talented and gifted. What happens to the adult that is highly talented and gifted? What happens to them? Dianne Allen 5:02 They can get lost in the system. They can get judged, missed, and feel really alone. And sometimes they struggle with addiction and feeling totally isolated. Some people try to hide their gifts, because you know, they want to be normal and fit in. I tried it, I made it about five minutes, I can't - that's not my skill set at all! And it's so we feel kind of like outliers like nobody really gets us and, and in some respects, only about 2% of the population actually will, because it's - it's a small, very small percentage of the population. And so that can get missed, they can get fired from jobs because they're, they're very intense and very focused. Often. I'm working with somebody now who's a business coach for a big medical facility and, and they were trying to fire the director of nursing because she was intense and focused. I'm like, well, let me see, you're running a hospital in the middle of COVID, you're totally gifted and talented, and you're dialed into solution... and the people above you want to talk about lunch or what's on TV. To a twice exceptional person, that's ridiculous, because you're saving lives. The concrete brain has trouble flipping back and forth in that transition, and so I try to help advocate for people, like, if you have a really gifted, talented person around and they get intense, be happy about it because that means they're solving problems nobody else can see. Jason Stein 6:28 And let's just talk about this parallel between being gifted and addiction. Is the addiction - I'm assuming that it's to numb out that "I'm not normal, I'm different, I don't fit in." Or where does the addiction come in? Dianne Allen 6:44 It sometimes is that, but it also very frequently starts because that glass of wine or that cocktail will ease the abundant input. You know, like the brains tired, there's so much going on. One of my new clients just said "I feel 1000 things at once, and now what do I do?" And so, that takes so much energy. When you learn that, oh, that glass of wine or that drink will numb it or slow it down even, you get that relief. But what you don't know is you're playing with fire, and you keep searching for that relief, and then pretty soon it can turn into a big problem, rather than using a healthier coping skill. So it - sometimes you can feel everything and nothing at the same time. Jason Stein 7:29 And so I would think that - that with the proper support, that these talented and gifted individuals become great leaders in the world, is that true? Dianne Allen 7:41 I believe it's true. I believe that's - that's where the solution to the bigger problems are within the gifted, the twice-exceptional people who can see it. They suffer often from existential depression, which medicine will not help. So, when somebody says I've tried all this medicine, and it didn't work, or it only helped a little bit, I start looking in the existential arena. Then, I start noticing that they can see solutions that nobody around them can see. So, if you see a solution to a big problem, and nobody around you gets you or can see it, that creates a sort of depression - but it's not solved with medicine. It's solved by making friends with that and then bridging yourself into the paradigm so that you can make the solution happen. Jason Stein 8:22 Let's bring this down to like the street level of like existential depression. I don't think I'm 2e, I don't quite know what that means. What does that mean - existen
