Listen Now

Heather is back! We and wrapping season two with a big conversation reimagining the way we practice our faith and deeper into the way Jesus lived. We believe grace is excessive, willing to be wrong, and reckless on behalf of those who need to feel the most love, acceptance, and celebration. Join us as we daydream about season three, with a few spoilers about some of the guests to come. If you are interested in being a sponsor for season three, please contact us on Twitter or through our website. Thanks for listening! ———— The Uncomfortable Grace Podcast is mixed & produced by Kaylene Brown. Connect with Mandy & Heather on Instagram: @mandycapehart @heatherconverse12 @UncomfortableGracePodcast Or on Twitter: @MandyCapehart @UNCGracePod

Great news! Heather is back on the show this week for a conversation about loyalty to ourselves! We are sharing some vulnerable stories about how we can pursue loyalty to ourselves guilt free. In finding forgiveness toward ourselves, we can honor our boundaries in a way that brings freedom to find a new path forward. Thanks for listening! ———— The Uncomfortable Grace Podcast is mixed & produced by Kaylene Brown. Connect with Mandy & Heather on Instagram: @mandycapehart @heatherconverse12 @UncomfortableGracePodcast Or on Twitter: @MandyCapehart @UNCGracePod

We are thrilled to have our dear friend Kevin Nye back on the podcast! Kevin joined us in season one to discuss his work with the unhoused community in LA and his dream of influencing the church to get involved in the solution. Today, Kevin is celebrating the launch of his new book, "Grace Can Lead Us Home: A Christian Call to End Homelessness." With the book of his heart and dreams published, Kevin is here to discuss how we can confront the most common barriers to engagement and help churches find their "YES" in the work of ending the housing crisis - no matter the cost. This episode is truly required listening. There will be a test. Resources mentioned: Grace Can Lead Us Home by Kevin Nye from Herald Press Connect with Kevin on Twitter & Instagram Thanks for listening! ———— The Uncomfortable Grace Podcast is mixed & produced by Kaylene Brown. Connect with Mandy & Heather on Instagram: @mandycapehart @heatherconverse12 @UncomfortableGracePodcast Or on Twitter: @MandyCapehart @UNCGracePod

What does it mean to find home where you least expect it? For Tia Thomas, it meant moving in with her partner, children, her parents, and siblings. When the pressures of life became too great, Tia and her partner felt their best chance for success as a family unit was to take the awkward risk of living with her parents. Today, Tia is telling us the story of the pressure, the beauty, and all the in-between that helped her learn how to come home again. Thanks for listening! ———— The Uncomfortable Grace Podcast is mixed & produced by Kaylene Brown. Connect with Mandy & Heather on Instagram: @mandycapehart @heatherconverse12 @UncomfortableGracePodcast Or on Twitter: @MandyCapehart @UNCGracePod

This conversation is RICH with growth hierarchies, insight, quotes, and the enneagram! These days, John Chaffee is a modern day mystic, teaching contemplative Christian spirituality at Eastern University and holding space for anyone asking big, unanswerable questions. But his story is about the ambush of eucatastrophes he experienced hiking the Appalachian Trail and how this adventure revolutionized his life. Also, I wish this conversation was about six hours longer! Resources mentioned: John's website and work Clare Graves & Spiral Dynamics Enneagram Information Growth Mindset The Wounded Healer by Henry Nouwen Thanks for listening! ———— The Uncomfortable Grace Podcast is mixed & produced by Kaylene Brown. Connect with Mandy & Heather on Instagram: @mandycapehart @heatherconverse12 @UncomfortableGracePodcast Or on Twitter: @MandyCapehart @UNCGracePod

We all love the idea of justice, but do we really know what it means? In today's conversation, we are briefly unpacking the nuance and impact of the old testament book of Micah. Our guest is licensed professional counselor & associate pastor Micah Morgan, who is reimagining humanity in a way that allows us to live with justice as a way of life instead of as an occasional act of perceived obedience in our culture wars. Resources mentioned: Sanctuary Columbus Church in Ohio Connect with Micah  on Twitter Thanks for listening! ———— The Uncomfortable Grace Podcast is mixed & produced by Kaylene Brown. Connect with Mandy & Heather on Instagram: @mandycapehart @heatherconverse12 @UncomfortableGracePodcast Or on Twitter: @MandyCapehart @UNCGracePod

CW: Conversation includes references to hospital life as a chaplain during the Covid pandemic. Please use discretion. How do you lead others through loss when your own life needs healing, too? J.S. Park is a Korean-American author and chaplain located in Florida. His story is complex, nuanced, and honest - embracing the chaos of hospital pandemic life, fatherhood, anti-Asian rhetoric, and more. Listen in as he vulnerably describes the intention and compassion required to navigate life at the center of so many busy intersections. You can find J.S. active and excited to meet you on Twitter: @JSParkBlog Resources mentioned: The Voices We Carry by J.S. Park Study: The Association of #Covid19 & Anti-Asian Sentiments on Twitter Trump, the Coronavirus Pandemic, Asian American Xenophobia, and Humanistic Psychology Thanks for listening! ———— The Uncomfortable Grace Podcast is mixed & produced by Kaylene Brown. Connect with Mandy & Heather on Instagram: @mandycapehart @heatherconverse12 @UncomfortableGracePodcast Or on Twitter: @MandyCapehart @UNCGracePod

Author and speaker Rohadi is an insightful and intentional thought leader building diverse communities, church planting, and teaching on decolonizing and deconstructing Christianity. His latest book, titled When We Belong: Reclaiming Christianity on the Margins, is a beautiful challenge to anyone claiming the mantle of Christianity. In our conversation today, we delve into what church can look like when we learn to embrace an embodied ethic of justice on behalf of all humans - not just the ones who are familiar. Resources mentioned:Rohadi's book, When We BelongJohn Townsend, People FuelRohadi on Twitter & InstagramListen to his show, Faith in a Fresh VibeThanks for listening!———— The Uncomfortable Grace Podcast is mixed & produced by Kaylene Brown. Connect with Mandy & Heather on Instagram:@mandycapehart@heatherconverse12@UncomfortableGracePodcast Or on Twitter:@MandyCapehart@UNCGracePod

Brent Hodge is a lifelong veteran of the evangelical church, but after years of trauma and abuse, Brent needed a new way to practice his faith outside of the traditional paradigm of church. Today, he is exploring what it means to take his faith beyond the walls to live like Jesus lived. Resources from this episode Visit Brent's new project, Make This Awesome! Connect on Twitter & Instagram Thanks for listening! ———— The Uncomfortable Grace Podcast is mixed & produced by Kaylene Brown. Connect with Mandy & Heather on Instagram: @mandycapehart @heatherconverse12 @UncomfortableGracePodcast Or on Twitter: @MandyCapehart @UNCGracePod

Kate Boyd is a seminarian and voice for the messy middle Christians just trying to figure this whole thing out. We talked with Kate about how her own faith expanded when she stopped trying to control the narrative & started becoming curious instead. Resources from this episode Listen to Happy & Holy with Kate Boyd  Connect on Twitter & Instagram Visit https://www.kateboyd.co/ to signup for her newsletter, Untidy Faith, as well as score a copy of The Big Picture Bible Toolkit and that helpful Messy Middle Manifesto. Thanks for listening! ———— The Uncomfortable Grace Podcast is mixed & produced by Kaylene Brown. Connect with Mandy & Heather on Instagram: @mandycapehart @heatherconverse12 @UncomfortableGracePodcast Or on Twitter: @MandyCapehart @UNCGracePod

Grace is subversive, unconditional, and willing to break the false binaries we find ourselves trapped within in our relationships to self, others, and our faith. ln today's episode, Mandy & Kaylene discuss what it means to challenge dichotomous black & white thinking and find a way forward as people of both/and. Resources mentioned: Spiral Dynamics theory Thanks for listening! ———— The Uncomfortable Grace Podcast is mixed & produced by Kaylene Brown. Connect with Mandy & Heather on Instagram: @mandycapehart @heatherconverse12 @UncomfortableGracePodcast Or on Twitter: @MandyCapehart @UNCGracePod

Kirk McCall joins us today with his story own story of abandoning the comfort of certainty for a chance at growth. Kirk is a 26 year veteran teacher who recently left his longstanding position at a private Christian school to work for the public school system. What unraveled next changed everything he knew to be true, but in the best of ways. Listen as Kirk discusses the value of curiosity, compassion, and creating space to explore how all of our lives overlap and intertwine. You can find Kirk active and excited to meet you on Twitter: @KirkMcCall68 Resources mentioned: The Sacred Overlap by J.R. Briggs Reading While Black by Esau McCaulley Thanks for listening! ———— The Uncomfortable Grace Podcast is mixed & produced by Kaylene Brown. Connect with Mandy & Heather on Instagram: @mandycapehart @heatherconverse12 @UncomfortableGracePodcast Or on Twitter: @MandyCapehart @UNCGracePod

Spoiler alert: We're talking about Bruno and you can't do anything to stop us. More specifically, Mandy & Kaylene decided it was time to give Bruno the conversation he deserves about blame, emotional intelligence, and how we can use grace to move toward others instead creating more distance. Resources from this episode   Learn about Emotional Intelligence   Thanks for listening! ————The Uncomfortable Grace Podcast is mixed & produced by Kaylene Brown. Connect with Mandy & Heather on Instagram:@mandycapehart@heatherconverse12@UncomfortableGracePodcast Or on Twitter:@MandyCapehart@UNCGracePod

Kristy Laschober and Allison Hamik are two women on a mission for freedom! Through their online show, The Freedom Exchange, Kristy & Allison are creating awareness about the justice system by establishing connections through audacious conversations with formerly incarcerated people. Today, Kristy & Allison share how they started the work and why reframing the narrative around justice and prison reform matters. Resources from this episode Find The Freedom Exchange on Facebook Connect on Twitter: @AllisonHamik and @KristyLaschober Thanks for listening! ———— The Uncomfortable Grace Podcast is mixed & produced by Kaylene Brown. Connect with Mandy & Heather on Instagram: @mandycapehart @heatherconverse12 @UncomfortableGracePodcast Or on Twitter: @MandyCapehart @UNCGracePod

Season two is going to be full of tough minded optimists - men and women of vitality betting on unknown outcomes full of possibility and wholly uncomfortable situations. Grab your favorite cuppa & settle in for a conversation about hope, optimism, and remembering grace through all of it.   CW: Two swear words are used in this episode. ———— The Uncomfortable Grace Podcast is mixed & produced by Kaylene Brown. Connect with Mandy & Heather on Instagram: @mandycapehart @heatherconverse12 @UncomfortableGracePodcast Or on Twitter: @MandyCapehart @UNCGracePod

Season two is coming soon! The people on board for sharing their stories this season are incredibly kind, generous, and beautiful souls. We are so excited to kick things off, but for now, here's a little excerpt and taste of what's to come! ———— The Uncomfortable Grace Podcast is mixed & produced by Kaylene Brown. Connect with Mandy & Heather on Instagram: @mandycapehart @heatherconverse12 @UncomfortableGracePodcast Or on Twitter: @MandyCapehart @UNCGracePod

Season One is coming to an end featuring Emmy-award winning journalist and podcast host Danielle Craig. Danielle creates, writes, and speaks because she believes we all deserve to find what makes us become our best selves. Living a happier, more joy filled life is a tall order, and Danielle's take on grace through it all is refreshing and healing to hear. Follow Danielle on Instagram @mrsdaniellecraig and check out her own fantastic podcast, Happiness in Progress. Thanks for listening! ———— The Uncomfortable Grace Podcast is mixed & produced by Kaylene Brown. Connect with Mandy & Heather on Instagram: @mandycapehart @heatherconverse12 @UncomfortableGracePodcast Or on Twitter: @MandyCapehart @UNCGracePod

Even if you don't want to talk about grief, listen up! In today's episode,  Heather interviews Mandy about her work as a grief coach, author, and speaker. While we may not be experiencing a season of active grief, we are all in the presence of someone who is (whether we know it or not). Mandy's work as a coach invites each of us to learn how to show up for others and ourselves with non-judgmental compassion. This is a necessary life skill, so don't miss your chance to find some movement in your own healing story. You can connect with Mandy on Twitter or Instagram at @MandyCapehart, request to join The Restorative Grief Project on Facebook, or reach out through her website, MandyCapehart.com Thanks for listening! ———— The Uncomfortable Grace Podcast is mixed & produced by Kaylene Brown. Connect with Mandy & Heather on Instagram: @mandycapehart @heatherconverse12 @UncomfortableGracePodcast Or on Twitter: @MandyCapehart @UNCGracePod

This week, your hosts are discussing life in the overwhelm! When we become overwhelmed, we often slip into autopilot. Listen as Mandy & Heather discuss their overwhelms and the strategies they use to find grace and movement for themselves amid the chaos. Heather Converse is a certified life coach and owner of Tree of Life Consulting. Mandy Capehart is a writer, speaker, and grief coach, currently working through her first manuscript. Both love difficult conversations, leaning into tension, and producing the kind of uncomfortable atmosphere that unearths beauty and champions growth. We’re so glad you’re here! ———— The Uncomfortable Grace Podcast is mixed & produced by Kaylene Brown. Connect with Mandy & Heather on Instagram: @mandycapehart @heatherconverse12 @UncomfortableGracePodcast

It's time to flip the script on how we talk about the unhoused! Kevin Nye is a writer and homeless services case manager in Los Angeles who wants to change the way we perceive and support the unhoused population. His passion is to change the narrative about homelessness and to encourage the faith community to reevaluate the way we invest in change. Pick up your curiosity and take a listen. Follow Kevin on Twitter - @kevinmnye1 or for book updates, through his website, www.KevinMNye.com. Kevin is creating resources and support tools for those of us not working day to day with the homeless community to become better advocates of humanity. Worth every moment. Heather Converse is a certified life coach and owner of Tree of Life Consulting. Mandy Capehart is a writer, speaker, and grief coach, currently working through her first manuscript. Both love difficult conversations, leaning into tension, and producing the kind of uncomfortable atmosphere that unearths beauty and champions growth. We’re so glad you’re here! ———— The Uncomfortable Grace Podcast is mixed & produced by Kaylene Brown. Connect with Mandy & Heather on Instagram: @mandycapehart @heatherconverse12 @UncomfortableGracePodcast