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The tables are turned on this episode of The Trace as Andrew is interviewed by therapist and artist Josh Horvath.  Josh talks with Andrew about his new book “Sayulita : Stories” which comes out on October 13th. Josh and Andrew have been friends and music collaborators for nearly 25 years.  In this conversation they explore the writing process and the themes of the book.  This leads to talks about identity, religion, friendship, sex, violence, and Seattle in the 1990’s. You can pre-order “Sayulita : Stories” at leftofage.com now.  If you live in the Seattle area you are invited to the book launch which will take place on Thursday, October 13th at Hazlewood in Ballard at 7PM.  There is no cover.  Hazlewood is 21 and over. Alright…let’s get to the conversation.

I felt like reaching out to y'all out there so I recorded a solo episode just for fun.  I live streamed the recording on Instagram which I've never done before so this is all in one take. Stand up comedy has been calling to me so I recently gave it a shot at an open mic.  It was nervewracking but also kind of exciting.  To be honest, these are as much rants as they are jokes.  But it's fun to talk about some serious stuff with the intent to also get a laugh or two.  I tell a few of my jokes to start the episode. After that I go through with my current top 10 movie list.  My kid is 15 and re-watching a lot of films I have shown him.  He is on Letterboxd and everything.  That gave me an excuse to share my top films with him which was cool.  I go over those top 10 on here. Hope you are well as Summer is getting going!

I talk with Scout Tafoya about our mutual loathing of "elavated horror", the new film "Men", and then get into his book on the films of Tobe Hooper ("Texas Chainsaw Massacre", "Poltergeist", "Lifeforce".) Scout Tafoya is a film critic, video essayist, filmmaker, and author of Cinemaphagy: On The Psychedelic Classical Form of Tobe Hooper, the first book-length critical study of the director of "The Texas Chain Saw Massacre." Originally from from Doylestown, PA, he is the creator of RogerEbert.com's The Unloved, the longest running video essay series on the web, about movies in need of a second look. His writing has appeared in the Village Voice, Film Comment, Nylon Magazine, the Los Angeles Review of Books, and The Film Stage among others. His features and his extensive video essay work can be found at Patreon.com/honorszombie. 

"The Sky, Finally" is my debut novel.  This is the story of 17 year old Anna from Omaha, Nebraska.  The year is 1979 and she feels very much like an outsider.  She is longing for another life.  Punk music, religion, partying, sex, philosophy..she's looking for a place to be.  Will she find it? I will be releasing these in parts here on The Trace Podcast and also at andrewhackett.bandcamp.com.  I would love to hear your thoughts and feelings on the story so please reach out via email or on Instagram if you want to discuss.  Thank you for listening. Many thank you’s to Casey Broadwater for allowing me to use his wonderful music throughout.  Also thank you to Josh Horvath, Camilla Walter, and Bob Enslow for talking with me about this story throughout the entire process.  Thank you to Josh for the beautiful cover art as well!  I hope the story transports you to another place.

"The Sky, Finally" is my debut novel.  This is the story of 17 year old Anna from Omaha, Nebraska.  The year is 1979 and she feels very much like an outsider.  She is longing for another life.  Punk music, religion, partying, sex, philosophy..she's looking for a place to be.  Will she find it? I will be releasing these in parts here on The Trace Podcast and also at andrewhackett.bandcamp.com.  I would love to hear your thoughts and feelings on the story so please reach out via email or on Instagram if you want to discuss.  Thank you for listening. Many thank you’s to Casey Broadwater for allowing me to use his wonderful music throughout.  Also thank you to Josh Horvath, Camilla Walter, and Bob Enslow for talking with me about this story throughout the entire process.  Thank you to Josh for the beautiful cover art as well!  I hope the story transports you to another place.

"The Sky, Finally" is my debut novel.  This is the story of 17 year old Anna from Omaha, Nebraska.  The year is 1979 and she feels very much like an outsider.  She is longing for another life.  Punk music, religion, partying, sex, philosophy..she's looking for a place to be.  Will she find it? I will be releasing these in parts here on The Trace Podcast and also at andrewhackett.bandcamp.com.  I would love to hear your thoughts and feelings on the story so please reach out via email or on Instagram if you want to discuss.  Thank you for listening. Many thank you’s to Casey Broadwater for allowing me to use his wonderful music throughout.  Also thank you to Josh Horvath, Camilla Walter, and Bob Enslow for talking with me about this story throughout the entire process.  Thank you to Josh for the beautiful cover art as well!  I hope the story transports you to another place.

"The Sky, Finally" is my debut novel.  This is the story of 17 year old Anna from Omaha, Nebraska.  The year is 1979 and she feels very much like an outsider.  She is longing for another life.  Punk music, religion, partying, sex, philosophy..she's looking for a place to be.  Will she find it? I will be releasing these in parts here on The Trace Podcast and also at andrewhackett.bandcamp.com.  I would love to hear your thoughts and feelings on the story so please reach out via email or on Instagram if you want to discuss.  Thank you for listening. Many thank you’s to Casey Broadwater for allowing me to use his wonderful music throughout.  Also thank you to Josh Horvath, Camilla Walter, and Bob Enslow for talking with me about this story throughout the entire process.  Thank you to Josh for the beautiful cover art as well!  I hope the story transports you to another place.

"The Sky, Finally" is my debut novel.  This is the story of 17 year old Anna from Omaha, Nebraska.  The year is 1979 and she feels very much like an outsider.  She is longing for another life.  Punk music, religion, partying, sex, philosophy..she's looking for a place to be.  Will she find it? I will be releasing these in parts here on The Trace Podcast and also at andrewhackett.bandcamp.com.  I would love to hear your thoughts and feelings on the story so please reach out via email or on Instagram if you want to discuss.  Thank you for listening. Many thank you’s to Casey Broadwater for allowing me to use his wonderful music throughout.  Also thank you to Josh Horvath, Camilla Walter, and Bob Enslow for talking with me about this story throughout the entire process.  Thank you to Josh for the beautiful cover art as well!  I hope the story transports you to another place.

"The Sky, Finally" is my debut novel.  This is the story of 17 year old Anna from Omaha, Nebraska.  The year is 1979 and she feels very much like an outsider.  She is longing for another life.  Punk music, religion, partying, sex, philosophy..she's looking for a place to be.  Will she find it? I will be releasing these in parts here on The Trace Podcast and also at andrewhackett.bandcamp.com.  I would love to hear your thoughts and feelings on the story so please reach out via email or on Instagram if you want to discuss.  Thank you for listening. Many thank you’s to Casey Broadwater for allowing me to use his wonderful music throughout.  Also thank you to Josh Horvath, Camilla Walter, and Bob Enslow for talking with me about this story throughout the entire process.  Thank you to Josh for the beautiful cover art as well!  I hope the story transports you to another place.

Kat and Andrew are back with more Trace Radio!  Here is some music to break up "The Sky, Finally" episodes.  Part 8 of the novel comes out next Thursday.  On this show we each pick five tracks from the 80's.  We don't exactly pick the songs you might expect.  Give a listen to some great 80's music plus fun conversation with Kat and Andrew.

"The Sky, Finally" is my debut novel.  This is the story of 17 year old Anna from Omaha, Nebraska.  The year is 1979 and she feels very much like an outsider.  She is longing for another life.  Punk music, religion, partying, sex, philosophy..she's looking for a place to be.  Will she find it? I will be releasing these in parts here on The Trace Podcast and also at andrewhackett.bandcamp.com.  I would love to hear your thoughts and feelings on the story so please reach out via email or on Instagram if you want to discuss.  Thank you for listening. Many thank you’s to Casey Broadwater for allowing me to use his wonderful music throughout.  Also thank you to Josh Horvath, Camilla Walter, and Bob Enslow for talking with me about this story throughout the entire process.  Thank you to Josh for the beautiful cover art as well!  I hope the story transports you to another place.

"The Sky, Finally" is my debut novel.  This is the story of 17 year old Anna from Omaha, Nebraska.  The year is 1979 and she feels very much like an outsider.  She is longing for another life.  Punk music, religion, partying, sex, philosophy..she's looking for a place to be.  Will she find it? I will be releasing these in parts here on The Trace Podcast and also at andrewhackett.bandcamp.com.  I would love to hear your thoughts and feelings on the story so please reach out via email or on Instagram if you want to discuss.  Thank you for listening. Many thank you’s to Casey Broadwater for allowing me to use his wonderful music throughout.  Also thank you to Josh Horvath, Camilla Walter, and Bob Enslow for talking with me about this story throughout the entire process.  Thank you to Josh for the beautiful cover art as well!  I hope the story transports you to another place.

"The Sky, Finally" is my debut novel.  This is the story of 17 year old Anna from Omaha, Nebraska.  The year is 1979 and she feels very much like an outsider.  She is longing for another life.  Punk music, religion, partying, sex, philosophy..she's looking for a place to be.  Will she find it? I will be releasing these in parts here on The Trace Podcast and also at andrewhackett.bandcamp.com.  I would love to hear your thoughts and feelings on the story so please reach out via email or on Instagram if you want to discuss.  Thank you for listening. Many thank you’s to Casey Broadwater for allowing me to use his wonderful music throughout.  Also thank you to Josh Horvath, Camilla Walter, and Bob Enslow for talking with me about this story throughout the entire process.  Thank you to Josh for the beautiful cover art as well!  I hope the story transports you to another place.

"The Sky, Finally" is my debut novel.  This is the story of 17 year old Anna from Omaha, Nebraska.  The year is 1979 and she feels very much like an outsider.  She is longing for another life.  Punk music, religion, partying, sex, philosophy..she's looking for a place to be.  Will she find it? I will be releasing these in parts here on The Trace Podcast and also at andrewhackett.bandcamp.com.  I would love to hear your thoughts and feelings on the story so please reach out via email or on Instagram if you want to discuss.  Thank you for listening. Many thank you’s to Casey Broadwater for allowing me to use his wonderful music throughout.  Also thank you to Josh Horvath, Camilla Walter, and Bob Enslow for talking with me about this story throughout the entire process.  Thank you to Josh for the beautiful cover art as well!  I hope the story transports you to another place.

"The Sky, Finally" is my debut novel.  This is the story of 17 year old Anna from Omaha, Nebraska.  The year is 1979 and she feels very much like an outsider.  She is longing for another life.  Punk music, religion, partying, sex, philosophy..she's looking for a place to be.  Will she find it? I will be releasing these in parts here on The Trace Podcast and also at andrewhackett.bandcamp.com.  I would love to hear your thoughts and feelings on the story so please reach out via email or on Instagram if you want to discuss.  Thank you for listening. Many thank you’s to Casey Broadwater for allowing me to use his wonderful music throughout.  Also thank you to Josh Horvath, Camilla Walter, and Bob Enslow for talking with me about this story throughout the entire process.  Thank you to Josh for the beautiful cover art as well!  I hope the story transports you to another place.

"The Sky, Finally" is my debut novel.  This is the story of 17 year old Anna from Omaha, Nebraska.  The year is 1979 and she feels very much like an outsider.  She is longing for another life.  Punk music, religion, partying, sex, philosophy..she's looking for a place to be.  Will she find it? I will be releasing these in parts here on The Trace Podcast and also at andrewhackett.bandcamp.com.  I would love to hear your thoughts and feelings on the story so please reach out via email or on Instagram if you want to discuss.  Thank you for listening. Many thank you’s to Casey Broadwater for allowing me to use his wonderful music throughout.  Also thank you to Josh Horvath, Camilla Walter, and Bob Enslow for talking with me about this story throughout the entire process.  Thank you to Josh for the beautiful cover art as well!  I hope the story transports you to another place.

"The Sky, Finally" is my debut novel.  This is the story of 17 year old Anna from Omaha, Nebraska.  The year is 1979 and she feels very much like an outsider.  She is longing for another life.  Punk music, religion, partying, sex, philosophy..she's looking for a place to be.  Will she find it? I will be releasing these in parts here on The Trace Podcast and also at andrewhackett.bandcamp.com.  I would love to hear your thoughts and feelings on the story so please reach out via email or on Instagram if you want to discuss.  Thank you for listening. Many thank you’s to Casey Broadwater for allowing me to use his wonderful music throughout.  Also thank you to Josh Horvath, Camilla Walter, and Bob Enslow for talking with me about this story throughout the entire process.  Thank you to Josh for the beautiful cover art as well!  I hope the story transports you to another place.

Natalia Keogan is a film critic who is especially passionate about the gendered and sexualized aesthetics of horror, LGBTQ+ cinema, Spanish-language films, punk music and anti-fascism. Women’s reproductive and mental health issues are also subjects of interest in her work.  In other words…Natalia is a perfect guest for The Trace Podcast! We talk about how she fell in love with movies, the ethics of “A Clockwork Orange”, horror films, and her favorites of 2021.   You can read her wonderful work at Paste Magazine, Filmmaker Magazine, and other places.  Thanks for being on the show Natalia!

On this episode of The Trace Kat Sommers and Andrew Hackett play “Outcast Songs”. These are songs by or about people that are different, people that don’t have a place to be, people that don’t quite fit in.   As usual Kat and Andrew get into existential themes through their song choices.   Keep an eye out for the upcoming serialized audiobook by Andrew which is called “The Sky, Finally”.  Part 1 comes out next week.   Now…onto the music!

A 14 year-old makes his first true friend after his family moves to a commune in the San Fernando Valley foothills of Los Angeles.  They cause trouble, begin to discover sexuality, and fall in love with Weezer (oh yes, the year is 1992). All is well and then, of course, life is interrupted. "Erotic Thriller and the Tumbleweed" is an audio story written by Andrew Hackett and produced by Andrew Hiller (alhhla). Enjoy the experience and check out andrewhackett.bandcamp.com to listen to more audio stories.