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Alex Davison is the Executive Director of the Arthritis Foundation for Louisiana. Alex has a master's degree in public administration from the University of New Orleans, where he serves on the Alumni Board of Directors. He was raised in South Lake Tahoe, California, and graduated from Cal State San Marcos before moving to New Orleans. He lives with his wife Ashley, his son Cooper, and two rescue pups: Abby and Bernie. In this episode… A lot of collaboration is going on in the private and public sectors, but we have yet to see not-for-profits collaborate enough to leverage scarce resources. Not-for-profit organizations aren’t doing enough to see how they complement one another’s programs rather than duplicate. As a result, they frustrate many donors who want to see a high level of collaboration for maximum impact. How do not-for-profit organizations collaborate effectively, not just in applying for grants from funding foundations but also in working with donors in the community? How do these organizations change their methods and communications for the better? Listen to this episode of Penny Cowden’s Philanthropy212 Show featuring Alex Davison, who works as the Arthritis Foundation Executive Director for Louisiana. They discuss how not-for-profits should collaborate for fundraising to achieve their missions, how fundraising has changed since COVID-19, innovating and not getting stuck in a silo, and more.

Shelley Davis is the President and Executive Director of the Forest Preserve Foundation. Shelley has over 25 years of experience in the not-for-profit sector and has moved from frontline crisis intervention counselor to policy advocate and foundation grantmaker. The Forest Preserve Foundation’s aim is to invest in Chicago's climate and next generation. In this episode… Climate change is upon us, bringing less snow and more storms without enough trees to absorb the water. Undoubtedly, we need ecological restoration, but there’s little the older generation can do other than invest in the next to take up this mission. How do we get young people to be interested in ecological restoration and preserve our forests?  Listen to this episode of Penny Cowden’s Philanthropy212 Podcast featuring Shelley Davis, President and Executive Director of the Forest Preserve Foundation. They discuss what the Forest Preserve Foundation is about, the areas they cover, how they invest in young people to be a part of ecological restoration, fostering excellent family time, and more.

Steven Aguiar is an experienced Full-Stack Digital Marketer. He is the Founder of Good Goes Further, where he helps not-for-profit organizations create and execute a plan for digital growth. Steven is also the Founder of BlueWing, a marketing agency that has helped dozens of clients grow and activate a digital audience. After graduating from Brown University, Steven oversaw digital marketing transformation at MTV, The Fader, and The Players’ Tribune. In 2016, he launched BlueWing, which has since been certified by Facebook, Google, and HubSpot. With Good Goes Further, Steven plans to bring the growth marketing expertise he's honed while serving for-profit clients to the world of not-for-profit. In this episode… Digital platforms are almost exclusively pay-to-play for traction. As a result, not-for-profit organizations have a hard time competing with their for-profit counterparts. How can not-for-profit organizations reach their relevant audience in the most cost-effective and results-driven way? Today’s guest, Steven Aguiar, the Founder of Good Goes Further, says it is through a paid digital strategy for brand awareness, email acquisition, and fundraising. Not only does it cost a fraction of what is needed to hire a full-time employee to grow organically, but it also delivers results fast. So how do they create or improve the digital strategy for not-for-profit organizations? Listen to this episode of The Philanthropy212 Podcast with Penny Cowden and her guest, Steven Aguiar of Good Goes Further. They discuss why not-for-profit organizations should have a paid media strategy, what paid campaigns look like for not-for-profits, and how to kickstart or improve digital strategy.

Gina Bria is the Founder and Executive Director of the Hydration Foundation. She’s an anthropologist and was named Real World Scholar with the World Evolved Lecture Series. She has opened a new conversation on what hydration is beyond just liquid consumption. Some of her greatest work has been documenting the process of hydration in desert communities. Seeing how desert communities were using water locked inside plants, she was led to breakthrough water science, opening a new phase of more concentrated water that hydrates more profoundly. The Hydration Foundation provides public education for better hydrating people, plants, animals, and soils. In this episode… There's a public longing to give, but most donors want to experience the impact of their gifts and be counted among a community of people changing the world. These types of donors constitute a new class of donors that many fundraising professionals often ignore. The reason is that fundraisers don't know how to activate that public longing and make them feel triumphant.  Gina Bria, the Founder and Executive Director of the Hydration Foundation, has found a way to solve that problem. According to her, it is the single-action donation approach: giving people a specific enough ask that they feel like they've accomplished something together. Want to know more about how Gina uses the single-donation strategy to help rollback the world's ecological crisis?  Listen to this episode of The Philanthropy212 Podcast with Penny Cowden as she discusses unlocking the public longing to give with Gina Bria, Founder and Executive Director of the Hydration Foundation. They highlight how Gina is getting the public to donate and help farmers get the best form of water into their farms to address the global ecological crisis and more.

Cynthia Gregory is an author, life strategist, executive coach, and Certified Co-Active Coach. She’s the Communication Director for the San Francisco Bay Area Chapter of the International Coaching Federation, a Member of the Association of Fundraising Professionals Golden Gate Chapter, and the California Writers Club.  Cynthia is a not-for-profit leader with more than two decades in the field. She knows all too well that no one works harder and deserves more validation than not-for-profit fundraisers, executives, and cultural changemakers. Through her coaching practice, Cynthia supports not-for-profit leaders with individual and team coaching as well as not-for-profit leadership mastermind group facilitation.  Cynthia earned her Bachelor’s degree in Communications from Gonzaga University and her Master of Fine Arts in Creative Writing from Mills College. Cynthia is widely published, recently authoring the book, Journaling as Sacred Practice: An Act of Extreme Bravery. In this episode… According to a survey by Chronicle of Philanthropy, 51% of not-for-profit fundraisers plan to change jobs within the next two years—and 30% have either left or plan to leave the not-for-profit field altogether.  These staggering stats paint a clear picture of burnout among leaders in the not-for-profit sector, where leaders don't have anyone to turn to. As a leader, your colleagues see you as a competitor and your staff looks to you for all the answers. So you work harder, do more, and end up maiming your work-life balance. Sometimes you even struggle with compassion fatigue.  Listen to the episode of the Philanthropy212 Podcast with Penny Cowden as she chats with executive coach Cynthia Gregory about work-life balance for not-for-profit leaders. They discuss why not-for-profit leaders are experiencing burnout, the lack of support for leadership in the nonprofit sector, areas where these leaders need help, and how coaching can help.

Russ Hodge is the CEO of The Hodge Group, one of the fastest-growing fundraising consulting firms in the nation. Russ has over 35 years of fundraising experience, using a hands-on management style and innovative fundraising techniques that have helped The Hodge Group raise more than half a billion dollars. Russ is often sought out as a key speaker at fundraising conferences locally and nationally and previously presented at Candid on how board culture leads to hyper philanthropy. Russ is a member of both the Giving Institute and the Association of Fundraising Professionals and has a CFRE designation. He is the past recipient of the AFP Fundraiser of the Year for Central Ohio and is an AFP Master Trainer. In this episode… Hyper philanthropy is about accelerating the philanthropic process without sacrificing meaningful relationships. One effective way to accelerate philanthropy is to help board members buy into the organization’s mission and take shared ownership of the philanthropy process.  However, many executive directors and development officers are never satisfied with their board’s performance for different reasons. But what the philanthropy professionals may not know is that three things impact their board’s performance. What are these three things—and how can development professionals build a culture of hyper philanthropy?  Listen to this episode of Philanthropy212 with Penny Cowden to hear from Russ Hodge, CEO of The Hodge Group, as they talk about hyper philanthropy. He discusses the origins of hyper philanthropy, the roles of the development professional and the board in driving it, and how to engage the community.

David Williams is the Chief Development Officer for the College of Liberal Arts at Purdue Research Foundation, Purdue University. For over 15 years, David has been responsible for designing and implementing a comprehensive advancement program for ten academic units that comprise the College of Liberal Arts. In this episode… Something fundraising officers find most difficult, but crucial, is setting up the donor visit. How do you schedule successful donor visits? Some opt for phone calls, but run the risk of donors not answering the phone. Conversely, when they do talk on the phone, a face-to-face meeting becomes unnecessary.  How, then, do you set up the all-important face-to-face donor visits effectively? David Williams, Chief Development Officer for the College of Liberal Arts at Purdue University’s Purdue Research Foundation, has found success using the art of the introductory email—and is here to share his playbook.  Listen to this episode of Philanthropy212, as host Penny Cowden chats with David Williams, Chief Development Officer for the College of Liberal Arts at Purdue University’s Purdue Research Foundation, about the art of the introductory email. David shares why the email is more effective than phone calls and letters, how to structure the email, what to do during and after the donor visit, and more.

Eric Ressler is the Founder and Creative Director at Cosmic Inc., a social impact creative agency. Cosmic empowers social impact organizations to catalyze real-world change by helping them nail their impact story, brand awareness, and inspire action. Eric got his start in design from a young age. He left a design program in San Diego early to pursue freelance work. He organically built a strong roster of clients and soon discovered a passion for the social impact and philanthropic space from working with numerous organizations across that sector. Eric found that the social impact and philanthropic industry often have strong missions and visions, but ineffective communications, philosophies, and practices can hinder their efforts. Now, Eric and Cosmic are on a mission to help social impact organizations worldwide navigate a rapidly changing world. In this episode… Is your nonprofit organization struggling to find, grow, and maintain funding? If your answer is yes, then your organization is dipping into a starvation cycle where you're under-resourced and your donor engagement, marketing, and communications are almost non-existent.  And according to Eric Ressler, the Founder and Creative Director of Design by Cosmic Inc., says the problem will only get worse. Why? Because many nonprofits and social impact organizations are yet to build the digital-first culture required to win the attention economy, reach new donors, and spread their ideas more fully. Listen to this episode of The Philanthropy212 Podcast with Penny Cowden as she hosts Eric Ressler, the Founder and Creative Director of Design by Cosmic, to talk about how nonprofit and social impact organizations can get out of the starvation cycle and how they can find, grow, and maintain new funding. They also discuss why nonprofits are struggling in a highly-digital environment, how a digital-first culture would help fix that, how they can begin to adopt this culture, and more.

Gabe Cooper is the Founder and CEO of the all-in-one nonprofit growth platform, Virtuous. Virtuous is a responsive fundraising platform designed to help nonprofit organizations build lasting relationships with all their donors. After serving in a leadership role at a large nonprofit in the early 2000s, Gabe went on to help build a series of successful products in the nonprofit and profit-focused sectors, including multiple Apple award-winning mobile apps. Gabe’s drive stems from a passion for creating market-defining software, helping charities reimagine generosity, and increase their impact. In this episode… Have you heard? There’s a donor retention crisis in nonprofit organizations. As many as 76% of donors who give a single gift to your organization will never give you a gift again. That’s a massive problem—and as nonprofit professionals, how should we respond? How do we treat every donor like a major donor? How do we build personal relationships with donors at scale? Gabe Cooper says it starts by putting systems in place to help listen to donors better and respond to them quicker—all in a personalized way. Whether it’s done through marketing automation or suggesting the right gift at the right time, Gabe says nonprofits that implement these strategies see an average 12% increase in donor retention and a 10% increase in average gift size.  Learn more about using automation tools to increase donor retention, boost generosity, and build deeper relationships with donors on this episode of the Philanthropy212 Podcast with Penny Cowden and Virtuous Founder and CEO, Gabe Cooper. Together, they discuss how nonprofits can maximize their efforts through automation, responsive fundraising, and why it’s important to build your systems now. Keep listening for more!

Philip Purcell is a Consultant and Adjunct Faculty at the Indiana University Lilly Family School of Philanthropy, where he teaches nonprofit organization law and planned giving. He is also Adjunct Faculty at the Indiana University Maurer School of Law, where he teaches law and philanthropy, and nonprofit law. Philip is the Editor of Planned Giving Today, and a Senior Consultant in Legacy and Estate Planning at Heaton Smith Group. He is Lead Counsel for the Community Foundation Legal Help Desk, a Member of the American Bar Association, and a Charitable Committee Member of the Internal Revenue Service Tax-Exempt Organization Advisory Committee. In this episode… When it comes to governance, the board has a proven duty of care to manage the nonprofit’s affairs prudently. But that doesn't necessarily mean the board does all the work; instead, it means that good governance is critical to any organization's success. And for this success to be met, there must be core principles at play behind it.  What are these core principles of good governance for nonprofit organizations—and how can fundraisers better partner with their boards?  Join the conversation on this episode of the Philanthropy212 Podcast with Penny Cowden and Consultant and Adjunct Faculty at Indiana University Lilly Family School of Philanthropy, Philip Purcell. Together, they talk about sound governance principles in not-for-profit organizations, how to work with the board of your organization on best practices, and the importance of continuous education.

Michele M. Rebeor is the Owner and Philanthropy Consultant at Michele M Rebeor Consulting (MMRC). MMRC specializes in helping not-for-profit organizations of all sizes enhance their current resources to build more deliberate practices that garner increases in contributions, donor loyalty, and sustainable giving. As a seasoned philanthropic and community engagement professional, Michele helps not-for-profit organizations create strategies to cultivate and build meaningful relationships with donors.  Michele has also developed niche expertise in women-focused philanthropy, applying a decade of hands-on experience in preparing, educating, and advancing organized aid organizations to effectively establish practices that recognize the significant role and substantial impact women have on the future of philanthropy. Michele also led the Arizona State University Foundation's Women and Philanthropy program. In this episode… Women have a history of being philanthropic and recent research indicates that women give more than men—and are happier when giving more.  According to Philanthropy Consultant Michele Rebeor, the data shows a massive wealth transfer where women will inherit 70% of the intergenerational wealth. What’s more, these women are more likely to put that money into philanthropic endeavors. Because of this (and more), it’s crucial that nonprofits and donor development professionals understand women's transformative role in philanthropic opportunities and how to engage them.  In this episode of Philanthropy212 Podcast, host Penny Cowden engages Michele M. Rebeor, Philanthropy Consultant at Michele M Rebeor Consulting (MMRC), in a conversation about engaging women in philanthropy. They delve deep into women's role in philanthropy, how dynamic it is to engage women, and strategies for engaging women donors in the right way.

Paul Kaminski is the Executive Director of the Long Beach City College Foundation. Paul has been working in philanthropy for about 18 years, defining himself as a mission-driven fundraiser. Before joining the Foundation, Paul was the Director of Advancement for St. John Bosco High School and Providence High School.  In his past, he’s served as the Vice President of Philanthropy for St. Mary Medical Center and the Director of Philanthropy for St. Jude Heritage. Paul was also the Regional Director for Operation Smile in Southern California. In this episode… Building trust in philanthropy is one of the key components when creating relationships with your donors and staff that aren’t transactional but transformational.  But, the problem is many nonprofits either don’t know how to build trust or aren't building the adequate amount of trust needed to see increased donations, staff performance, and retention. In this episode of the Philanthropy212 Podcast, host Penny Cowden and Paul Kaminski, the Executive Director of the Long Beach City College Foundation, talk about building trust in philanthropy. They discuss the different trust-based relationships in philanthropy, how to develop trust in these relationships, and what to expect from building trusting relationships.

Kris Putnam-Walkerly is a trusted adviser to the world's leading philanthropists. For more than 20 years, wealthy families, ultra-high net worth donors, foundations, Fortune 500 companies, and celebrity activists have sought and benefited from her advice to transform their giving and catapult their impact. As President of the Putnam Consulting Group, philanthropic advisor, speaker, and award-winning author, Kris has helped over 100 philanthropists strategically allocate over half a billion dollars in grants and gifts.  Kris's clients include the J.M. Smucker Company, Charles and Helen Schwab Foundation, and the National Center for Family Philanthropy. She has been named one of America's top 25 speakers for the past three years and is the author of the book, Delusional Altruism: Why Philanthropists Fail To Achieve Change and What They Can Do To Transform Giving. In this episode… Philanthropists, donors, and funders genuinely want to make a difference, positively impact their community, and change the world—but they’re getting in their way.  Why? A lot of the time, they're clinging on to misguided beliefs and practices, and they're not alone; philanthropy professionals are guilty of this, as well.  Kris Putnam-Walkerly, President of the Putnam Consulting Group, describes this situation as delusional altruism in her book. She says she wrote the book to help funders and philanthropy professionals recognize how they get in their way and what they can do differently to drive a more impactful giving.  In this episode of the Philanthropy212 Podcast, host Penny Cowden sits down with Kris Putnam-Walkerly, President of the Putnam Consulting Group. They talk about the timeliness and relevance of Kris's book, Delusional Altruism: Why Philanthropists Fail To Achieve Change and What They Can Do To Transform Giving. Highlights of their conversation include how families, foundations, and corporations can have more impactful philanthropy, how donors get in their own way when making a positive impact, and more.

Rita Fuerst Adams is the President of Charitable and Philanthropic Management Counsel. With her work, Rita transforms organizations into better funded, more effective entities while building internal and external teams to diversify and increase funding. Primarily working with entrepreneurial and collaborative organizations that focus on the common good, she has also served causes in education, youth, the arts, community and economic development, healthcare, and more.  Rita has taught Entrepreneurship for Nonprofits for the Master in Organizational Leadership program at Wheelock College. She's also written and published extensively in the field, including editing the book for the Center on Philanthropy, What Fundraisers Need to Know About State and Federal Regulation: How it Can Influence All Aspects of Their Work. In this episode… Philanthropy is the third leg that balances governance and business in society. But, it’s not that easy: Rita Fuerst Adams says that for philanthropy to thrive, it has to include social movements and community building that drives the common good for all in society.  This begs the question: why? Does philanthropy really need to prioritize the common good to be successful? And, if it does, how are you supposed to make philanthropy a part of social movements and community building?   Join the conversation on the Philanthropy212 Podcast with Penny Cowden as she discusses philanthropy at its best with Rita Fuerst Adams, President of Charitable and Philanthropic Management Counsel. Together, they talk about the power of the message for a social movement's success, how philanthropy weaves into community building and social movement, and more.

Jennifer Radics-Johnson is the Executive Director of the Alisa Ann Ruch Burn Foundation (AARBF), an organization focused on enhancing the quality of life for burn survivors and promoting burn prevention education. Jennifer has sharpened her management and leadership expertise within the not-for-profit industry for 14 years and has been with AARBF since August 2012.  Jennifer has a Bachelor's degree in Communications from the University of California, San Diego, and a Master's in Business Administration from Loyola Marymount University. Jennifer is a Certified Fund Raising Executive as well as a Certified Volunteer Administrator. In this episode… Events are a great way to raise funds, but they require a lot of funding themselves, not to mention staff time and other resources that many small nonprofit organizations lack in large supply. So how do these nonprofits leverage events to raise funds without all of the overhead and staff time?  Jennifer Radics-Johnson says you need to turn to third-party events. With third-party events, you're essentially employing volunteers, partner agencies, or your biggest advocates to host events for you. And all you have to do as a nonprofit is receive the funds from the event. In this episode of the Philanthropy212 Podcast with Penny Cowden, Jennifer Radics-Johnson, Executive Director of the Alisa Ann Ruch Burn Foundation (AARBF), shares everything you need to know about third-party fundraisers. She discusses what third-party fundraisers are, how AARBF is leveraging them, and how you can do the same for your organization.

Karen Eber Davis is a nonprofit consultant, advisor, and President of Karen Eber Davis Consulting, through which she helps organizations and businesses discover propulsion tools to grow their profits and performance. As a leading authority on nonprofit revenue, Karen helps clients create dynamic partnerships and make an extraordinary impact.  Karen loves to work with leaders who lead from vision rather than fear. When people consult Karen, not only do they grow their revenue, but they gain strategies that improve their organizations forever. In this episode… A culture of philanthropy feels intangible—but desirable. Many nonprofits aren’t aware of how important it is to foster this culture in your organization or even how to create it. According to Karen Eber Davis, the culture of philanthropy is a collection of behaviors. To that aim, this demonstrates a collective mindset that everyone around the organization determines, to a large extent, the success of the organization.  So, how would you know if your organization has a culture of philanthropy? And how do you build one if there’s none?  Listen to this episode of the Philanthropy212 Podcast with Penny Cowden as she discusses the culture of philanthropy with Karen Eber Davis, a nonprofit consultant and President of Karen Eber Davis Consulting. They talk about what having a culture of philanthropy means, how to identify it, and build it in your nonprofit organization.

Elle Lamboy is the Vice President of Advancement and Communications for the Gettysburg Foundation, specializing in philanthropic fundraising, membership strategy, and marketing. In her role for the Foundation, she led her team in raising substantial funds to preserve Gettysburg National Military Park and the Eisenhower National Historic Site. Brian Klinzing is the Senior Director of Strategic Partnerships at the Gettysburg Foundation. He is a proven business development leader and relationship manager with twenty years of experience. In this episode… Many organizations put on fundraising events and galas—but not many use it as a strategic vehicle to get the fundraising results they desire.  Elle Lamboy and the Gettysburg Foundation team have perfected the strategy behind planning a gala to achieve friendships, partnerships, and donations. So how do Elle and her team go about organizing a successful fundraising gala?  Listen to this episode of the Philanthropy212 Podcast with Penny Cowden to learn more about strategic gala fundraising. In this episode, Penny and her guests Elle Lamboy and Brian Klinzing of the Gettysburg Foundation, discuss the strategic gala fundraising planning process, strategies for following up after the event, and how to make each gala bigger and better than the last.

Nina Fascione is the former Vice President of Philanthropy at Defenders of Wildlife. She oversees efforts to raise organizational fundraising through foundations, corporations, and individuals for strategic conservation work. Before working with Defenders of Wildlife, Nina was Executive Director of Bat Conservation International from 2010 to 2012, where she guided the Austin, Texas-based organization in their mission to protect bats and their habitats around the world.  Nina has also been the Vice President of the Field Conservation Program at Defenders of Wildlife. She managed 30 staff members at nine regional offices dedicated to endangered species and habitat conservation. She is the Co-Founder and Board Chair of the Emerging Wildlife Conservation Leaders, is on the board of the Ewaso Lions, a conservation organization in northern Kenya, and has authored and edited dozens of journal articles, book chapters, and technical reports covering wildlife science and conservation. In this episode… Fundraising efforts are knit around a collaborative circle that includes donors, development and non-development staff, and leadership. However, this sort of high-level collaboration isn’t as easy as it sounds. At any given moment, there are often turf wars incited among development and non-development staff that hinder fundraising efforts. So, how can development and non-development teams collaborate more effectively? Listen to this episode of Philanthropy212 with Penny Cowden and hear more about fundraising collaboration from Nina Fascione, the former Vice President of Philanthropy at Defenders of Wildlife. They talk about how marketing and development teams can work together, the importance of establishing a culture of philanthropy in your organization, and more.

Kim Meredith is the Chief Executive Officer of the San Francisco General Hospital Foundation, overseeing all aspects of the Foundation and working closely with the Foundation Board of Directors. Before joining the Foundation, she spent 11 years as the inaugural Executive Director of the Stanford Center on Philanthropy and Civil Society (Stanford PACS). During her tenure, Kim was responsible for strategic leadership, strong financial performance, and consistent organizational growth—including scaling the Stanford PACS by expanding research and programmatic initiatives like the Stanford Innovation Social Review.  Kim launched her business career in corporate America at AT&T and has since gone on to serve as the Chief Development Officer for the Planned Parenthood Federation of America in New York City, the Chief Operating Officer for Planned Parenthood Golden Gate in San Francisco. Currently, she serves on the Advisory Board for Stanford PACS, the Board of Directors for the George Lucas Educational Foundation, and more. In this episode… Times are changing in philanthropy—and we have the data to prove it. According to 2018 research performed by Stanford PACS, we see barely 1% of the donors accounting for 49% of gifts. Even more intriguing is that 20 million fewer households participated in charitable giving since the year 2000.  The current data also shows that only 55% of households participated in philanthropic giving in 2018, compared to 10-15 years ago when about 80-90% of households participated. That's a significant shift that raises a caution sign for philanthropy professionals and begs the question: what does this changing face of American philanthropy mean for the long-term sustainability of nonprofits?  Listen to this episode of Philanthropy212 with Penny Cowden as she hosts Kim Meredith, the former inaugural Executive Director of Stanford PACS. Kim shares insight into America’s changing philanthropic landscape—including how donor giving is transforming, the sectors receiving the most gifts, the rise of Donor Advised Funds, and more.

Jennie Boden is the Vice President of Strategic Relationships and Senior Consultant with Quantum Governance, L3C. At Quantum Governance, she's worked with clients as varied as Camphill Village, the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation, and Children of Faith Missions as well as the Credit Union Executives Society, the Friends of the National Arboretum, and the Tipping Point Community.  She has more than two decades of experience in governance, strategy management, leadership, communications, and development expertise in the not-for-profit sector. Jennie has held every post in the sector from Executive Assistant to Executive Director. In this episode… Nonprofit organizations are under all different kinds of stress as a result of COVID-19. There are the usual suspects: financial pressure after experiencing a severe drop in fundraising dollars flowing into the organization. There's also programmatic stress, given an extreme increase in the programmatic demands placed on the nonprofit sector. Jennie Boden believes that nonprofits need governance now more than ever—especially if they wish to come out of these difficult times alive. According to Jennie, organizations need a board to steer and direct the ship constructively while influencing stakeholders to move things forward. What exactly should the board be doing?  Listen to this episode of the Philanthropy212 podcast with Penny Cowden to learn about governance matters from Jennie Boden of Quantum Governance, L3C. She speaks about the governing board's responsibilities, the board's role in fundraising, effective governance models, and more.