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Welcome to episode 23 of the Mom Life Crisis, the episode that almost wasn't. This episode is all about how to be a parent when you're sick, kids are sick, a partner is gone or you're in non-ideal circumstances, you know... crisis mode. But First, the things we cannot even Leanne- Gel Manicures and the self-care / joy that goes along with them. Jennie- Starting a Toddler in preschool and Contact Anxiety with Nervous parentsNotes from the ShowMegan Tietz at SortaCrunchy- 3Ds and the Rule of 3Leanne Penny- How to be a Passable Solo Mom

Welcome to our second year of episodes! We're kicking off the new year with read talk about planners, paper and keeping our brains on task. From paper planners to digital ideas to uncomfortable talk about the OBGYN, this episode hopes to get you thinking about how to find your best system for you and own what works for your family. Let's Talk About What We Can't Even!Jennie- A new fiction writing class at her local parks and rec. Leanne- 3 true crime podcasts, In the Dark, Stranglers and The Sword and the Scale. (Links below)Links, Books and Info From Today's ShowErin Condren PlannerDay Designer PlannerFranklin PlannersCozi Online Family PlannerBook- The 7 Habits of Highly Effective PeoplePodcast- In the DarkPodcast- StranglersPodcast- Sword and ScalePodcast- The PopcastBuzzfeed Article - WTF is a Bullet Journal and Why Should you Start One? Quo Vadis BlogFind Us Online On Facebook and join our support group, Tweet at us on twitter or follow us on Instagram - Let's connect! 

Welcome to episode 21, the last episode of the year. In this episode we try to put a happy bow on the insanity of 2016 with our like of 10 of our Most Valuable Players from the year. Things like Amazon.com, Bogs Boots, Netflix and Therapy. Speaking of Therapy, Jennie gives Leanne an impromptu interview about Therapy conduct and Leanne enlightens Jennie on the predictions for 2017's most ridiculous parenting predictions. The Special, New Years, Double Things we Can't EvenJennie- Her Church & Her Boys FightingLeanne- New pet bunnies & The sexist La-Z-Boy commercialOur 2016 MVPs1. Lin Manuel Miranda2. Therapy3. Felt4. Washi Tape5. Amazon.com6. Ugg Boots7. Crocs and Bogs Footwear8. Netflix9. Pokemon Go10. LulaRoe ClothingLinks & Recommendations From The ShowLin Manuel Miranda on TwitterSexist La-Z-Boy CommercialLulaRoe Christina Hoss

Merry Christmas from The Mom Life Crisis! Which is really just Leanne and Jennie and sometimes our husbands helping with techy troubles and definitely our kids for keeping quiet long enough for us to record. This episode is mainly just silliness and something for you to listen to while you bake, tidy or shop... you know.... general elfery. Does it get a little political? Well I mean in Vino veritas but we don't ostracize anyone.Holiday Can't EvensLeanne- Stocking Stuffers, why we wrap them and where to put them.Jennie- So much wrapping... just wrappity wrap wrap wrapping.Sangria RecipeIf you need our Christmas Sangria recipe, here's the link and here's what you'll need. It's not hard1 bottle red wine1 bottle sparkling apple cider1 cup spiced cider1 cup cranberry juice1 cup vodka Sprigs of rosemary, oranges, apples and cranberries for garnish. Buy it, mix it, drink it over ice.For more details and very pretty pictures, click the link!  We'd love to hear from you this Christmas over at the mom life Crisis support group, that would be a nice Christmas present.Happy Holidays from us to you and we'll talk at you again next week. 

Today we continue our conversation on meaningful Christmas, we are excited to host our good friend Jillian Burden, who blogs at AddingaBurden.com about adoption, infertility and spirituality. Jillian is here to talk us through her intentional spiritual Christmas practices both personally and for kids to engage our families fully in the joy and peace of the season. The Things We Can't Even Leanne- The. Clap. Emoji.Jennie- Lularoe Legging Giveaways!Jill- Dying Christmas tree conundrumThe Not Oprah But Here’s Our Favorite Things Anyway LulaRoe Leggings Giveaway, generously donated by Kristina Hoff, check her out here on Facebook and get yourself a pair of buttery soft legging that feel like PJs but aren’t OR win a free pair by leaving us an iTunes review by 12/23/16!Books, Music and Recommendations from the ShowGod Gave us Christmas Book RecommendationAdvent Pegboard - StableApp - Shaine Claiborne - Book of Common Prayer: A Liturgy for Ordinary RadicalsLeanne's Vacuum - The Shark Navigator ProAs always, join us on Facebook here for conversation, encouragement and a change to be mentioned in the show! 

Today we welcome author, blogger and YouTuber Esther Emery to the show! Esther comes to us from her homestead in the snowy woods of Idaho to chat about her new book, What Falls From The Sky: How I Disconnected From The Internet and Reconnected With The God Who Made The Clouds, and to share her unique insights on how to have a more intentional Christmas in which we can receive all the gifts we already have. Where can you find Esther You may Ask?Her main home online is right here at her website, but if you want to go straight to her family’s YouTube channel, click right here and please of course head to Amazon and preorder her new book by clicking right here. Let’s Talk About The Things We Can’t EvenJennie- Potty Training and Falling off this horrible wagon.Esther- Walls in her new cabin, built by her family!Leanne- A new-used mini van with heated seats after months with a heat-less ride to school each morning. Books, TV and Movies Mentioned in the ShowTeaching a Stone to Talk by Annie DillardWest World on HBOAs always we want to connect with you about this and all our shows, to join the conversation at the Mom Life Crisis Support Group, head here or follow us on Instagram right about... here.That's all for this show, number 18! We will see you next week.  

Hello and welcome to our first ever, christmas themed, pine scented, glittery, twinkle-light laden Christmas episode. Today we endeavor to discuss Christmas, all the things that bring us joy and stress us the heck out. Basically we don’t want to miss another Christmas and we want to spend more time reflecting and less time doing… so let’s talk about that. But first the things we can’t evenJennie - Moana, because Disney + Lin Manuel Miranda = Jennie’s White Whale.Leanne - Washi tape, the most beautiful versatile creation since the advent of the Roku.Songs, Books & LinksJanuary White - Sleeping at LastWhat is Hygge?Tsum Tsum Advent CalendarMelissa and Doug Advent CalendarCrayola Advent Calendar The Not Oprah “Our Favorite Things” Giveaway, Week 1Between Dec 2-8 if you add 5 friends to the Mom Life Crisis group on Facebook, you’ll be entered a collection of Washi Tape curated by host Leanne Penny.  Let’s Get Social Here we are on Facebook and Instagram.

In this episode we attempt to present you with a big pillow of love and silliness to counterbalance the craziness of our world. We answer listener questions and respond to suggestions on reading, embarrassing mom stories, "You know you're a mom when" and a whole lot more. And Love Is Love Is Love Is Love Is Love Is Love Is LoveThe Things We Can't EvenJennie- A latent "What Does The Fox Say?" Obsession Leanne- Kickboxing class, get some exercise, feel like a badass. Embarrassing Mom Stories- You'll have to listen, written words pale to describe these... What We're ReadingJennie- Stitches by Ann Lamott, Stories and Other Stories by BJ Novak and Harry Potter and the Cursed ChildLeanne- A confession that she buys and rents 400% more than she reads but CAN CLAIM The Winter Street Trilogy and all books by Elin HilderbrandYou Know You're a Mom When....We finish the episode with some pinchy real talk about how to show someone we're on their team without feeling like the most awkward person in the world. 

This week’s episode gets a little ridiculous but we hope it’s helpful. It's guarantees to will at least get you laughing we’re guessing you could use a bit of that. In episode 15 we attempt to talk about self-care, sharing tips and ideas for taking care of you in the midst of everyone else's stuff and nonsense.But first the things we can’t even.Leanne - The Chorma App, available for apple devices.Jennie - The New 100 Days of Real Food Cookbook, Fast and Fabulous  6 Self Care TipsMake something, do something creative- Whatever that looks like for youGet some exercise- Especially when you don’t want doUnplug Yo-Self- Almost everything works better if you unplug it for a few minutes… including you.Take a Shower- Clean face, clean pits can’t lose. Ask for you time, and use it- Whatever your budget or schedule, don’t let that be a deterrent, just make it work. Go to sleep on time, without screens- You’ll sleep better, happier with less weird dreams. Thanks again for listening, sharing and leaving kind reviews! Join the conversation on Facebook here or look at pretty pictures on Instagram here. 

This week we're going to talk Mantras and Personal Policies, things that keep us grounded and real. These are short, pithy ways to remember what really matters and makes a difference in our lives, things we use to govern our interior life and our shared life together.But First, The Things We Can’t EvenJennie- Toddler mealtimes, insane mess, just all the time in all the ways.Leanne - Getting punched in the butt, yeah it’s a thing The meaty middle of the episodeAim for the middle - You can’t be the best at everything, you’re going to do some things really really well and some things really really badly.Believe the best in each other- Choose to believe that the person you’re struggling with isn’t actually a total jerk, but having a bad day or struggling with something themselves. Be realistic- Keep it real about what you can do in a day, who you are, if things go wrong, stay the course, don’t go ballistic and smash your day with a hammer. No matter how much you want things to go a certain way, just readjust. Do it now- (Compliments of Kelly Gordon on the SortaAwesome Podcast and Gretchen Rubin on the Happier podcast) Sounds legalistic, but if it takes less than a minute, do it before it stresses you out, return that library book, bring that diaper to the trash or that glass to the sink.Remember your season- They change, they always always change and remembering what season of life you’re working through normalizes a lot of struggle.Be kind to yourself- Ask yourself what the kind decision would be and don’t be so harsh on yourself. See yourself as someone you’re caring for, not everything is black and white, view it with kindness and grace. Links you need from this episode The Robcast - We Need to Talk About Politics Book - Happier at HomeGretchen Rubin’s Happier podcastSortaAwesome - With former guest co-host Megan TietzLaura Tremaine’s Blog post, Start Where you Are and her Podcast, The Smartest Person in the RoomThank you for listening! We've contacted the winner of the Amazon gift card so THANK YOU for all your kind reviews!Be sure to join us on Facebook and Instagram and share us with a friend.

In this episode, Leanne takes an intermission while Jennie interviews her husband Jason, a Pediatrician with listener questions, with a not to our impending cold and flu season. Nothing is sexier than hand sanitizer, so join us! The Things We Can't EvenLeanne- Her trusty, beloved Day Designer Planner, use this link to check it out! Jennie- Her oldest is 6! Kid birthdays come with a whole mess of feels!Interview with Dr Jason VanderlugtWhat kind of illnesses are we seeing right now? Fall can be a weird time because we get the tail end of summer summer bugs, but we aren't quite full into upper respiratory issues. How can we prevent illness with our kids? There's an interesting thing called the Hygiene Hypothesis, which says kids are supposed to get sick in the winter months to help their immune systems. The more we sanitize and protect them the more their immune systems go haywire with allergies and autoimmune diseases. BUT always wash your hands and try to confine stomach flu sufferers to their own separate bathroom.Dr Jason's Thoughts on essential oils and probiotics- They haven't been widely studied, but aren't generally harmful. Be careful with certain essential oils around kids, not everything natural is safe for everyone. Cold and Flu Treatment Tips- Push fluids, use a humidifier for congested patients and try Zinc at the outset of the cold. Overall just GET YOUR FLU SHOT! A Teaspoon of honey has been proven to help with overnight coughing. But What about peanut butter? When should we introduce it? Generally earlier introduction is okay, if you have a family history of peanut allergies you should make a plan with your pediatrician for safe introduction. That's a wrap for us this week! Thanks for Doctor Jason for joining us! Our amazon gift card giveaway is open for one more week (until 10/17/16) So if you leave us a review on Amazon you could win free money to buy anything in the world from Amazon.comAs always join us on our Facebook group over here and we will see you again next week! 

Welcome to our first, not at all spooky, Halloween episode in which we discuss our Pet Peeves and Pro tips to help you have a better Halloween, even if that means phoning it in and drinking mulled wine on the sofa. Like it or not we'll give you a full rundown of our favorite halloween costumes, and what our kids have dressed as year by year in case you need a few ideas. The Things We Can’t EvenLeanne- This year, 2016 is a big bully and I’m ready for a new one. Jennie- Ava, the new texting robot that helps you eat better. Check HER out here. You may get waitlisted.Our Personal Halloween Costumes of ALL TimeLeanne dressed up as Captain Jack Sparrow, she was 22 and feel minimal shame.Jennie dressed up like a Historic Swedish girl, Kirsten Larson from American Girl novels, which you can buy here. Our kids have dressed as:Jennie2010: Boone was a bear (snuggly sleeper with bear ears; he was 2 weeks old)2011: Boone - lion2012: Boone - train conductor2013: Boone - Woody from Toy Story2014: Boone - dinosaur, Jonah - dragon we called a dinosaur 2015: Boone - “Old Iron Face,” the classic Scooby Doo villain no one could identify or remember, Jonah - Scooby Doo2016: Boone - Perry the Platypus from Phineas and Ferb, Jonah - Woody from Toy Story (hooray for the art of reusing!)Leanne: 2009- Noelle- Hedgehog2010- Noelle- Bumblebee2011- Owlets and Kel was their tree2012- Elephant and Purple Polka Dot Kitty2013- Minions2014- Superman and a Black and White kitty, our cat Alfie actually2015- Baked Goods2016- Pokemon including a Klefairy, Flareon and a Pikachu… Kel is dressing up like a big Pokeball and he’s going to randomly hug them and yell Gotcha. He won’t be doing this to other children though, I promise.Halloween FavsJennie loves kids (or anyone for that matter) in costumes as well as fun fall activities and the family in her neighborhood that hands out Jello shots to parents and wins Halloween.Leanne loves Heirloomy pumpkins, those FIRST trick or treaters and passing off PayDay candy bars as healthy protein-filled snacks. Pet PeevesJennie can't deal with all the candy, especially the gross black and orange peanut butter nuggets and Leanne hates inflatable yard decorations and skanky costumes for girls of all ages. Pro TipsCheck out the Teal Pumpkin Project to be friendly to kids with allergies and and the Switch Witch to trade all that candy for a less overwhelming prize.In a pinch for warm costumes? Embellish a sweatsuit with a tail or ears on the hood and you're good to go, Hanes.com has a wide selection. And if all else fails, con someone else into taking the kids trick or treaters and text you pictures. Over the next few weeks, anyone who leaves us a review on iTunes is entered to win a $10 Amazon gift card, so head on over and leave us some love!As always we're talking about this and other things at facebook.com/groups/themomlifecrisis and we're on Instagram here as well. 

Today we are joined by co-host Naomi Brown, a dear friend and founder of of LaFEM Collectif. She is filling in while Jennie finishes her Disney World vacation.The topic of today’s show is creativity and making space for yourself to be… you. It’s a big topic and clearly we’re just scratching the surface. We hope today’s show leaves you feeling hopeful and inspired to see yourself as a creative, valuable part of this planet.You can find Naomi’s group, laFEM collectif right here and you can find Naomi on instagram here and on Facebook right…. here. The things we can’t evenLeanne- Apple is stealing my headphone jack… I’m going to have to ensure my bluetooth headphones are where I can find them AND charged.Naomi- Suede lipstick by NYX, available at most drugstores. The Meaty Middle of the EpisodeQuote- “Comparison is the Thief of Joy” - Theodore Roosevelt Quote- “Unused Creativity isn’t benign, it metastasizes, it turns into grief, rage, judgement, sorrow and shame. Unused creativity doesn’t just disappear, it lives within us until it’s expressed, neglected to death, or suffocated by resentment and fear.” - Brene Brown, Super Soul SundayBook- The Artist’s Way: A Spiritual Path to Higher Creativity - By Julia Cameron

Welcome to fall, with pumpkin spice lattes, school schedules, colds, flu, soup and an ALL NEW Fall TV line up. Sorry we missed you last week, 60% of our families had colds and strep throat, so… life.Let’s talk about TV, shall we?But first…The Things we can’t even Leanne- Our new exchange student from Brazil and the preview of having a teenage daughter, the good parts.Jennie- Our trip to DisneyWorld and all things Disney. Our Top 5 Most Loved TV-Shows of all time (taking into consideration ages and stages IE: 14 year old Leanne or Jennie may have loved it so much that it gets a slot out of sheer truthiness)Leanne- Full house, Lois and Clark, West Wing, Scrubs and The OfficeJennie- 30 Rock, Orange is the New Black, Scrubs, Breaking Bad, Buffy The Vampire SlayerMost Anticipated Returning Show In this category the co-winners are Bones on Fox, because you need a comforting show that doesn’t surprise you too much and The Blacklist on NBC, because James Spader as Raymond Reddington is just the best.  Most Promising New ShowIn this category the co-winners are This is Us, which is probably just Parenthood part 2 which is FINE and Bull, which looks intriguing and has Chris Jackson of Hamilton Fame.. The Show We Can’t Even… In A Bad WaySon of Zorn, although it probably wasn’t meant for us and The Great Indoors because, cliche.Shonda Rhymes CornerLet’s talk about Shona, the woman who owns Thursday nights. We are both devout Grey’s and Scandal viewers but we have our reservations about her ability to move these shows forward.Honorable Mention (the Snubbies)The Mindy Project (Hulu)The Big Bang Theory (CBS)American Crime (ABC)Scream Queens (Fox) 

We’re back and have every intention of going nonstop until Christmas. In this week’s show we share our can’t evens (of course) try to figure out why you can have a pair of underwear but not a pair of shirt and bring you our 4 best ideas for better before and after school routines. Please forgive Leanne on her echoey audio, it won't happen again!  The Things We Can’t EvenJennie- The A Capella App (easily downloadable for your mobile device)Leanne- Where did all the shoes go? A tragic lament on losing single shoes, over and over again.Things we mentioned in the show that you need to knowWilbarger brushing- What is this and how does it work?Bento Lunch Boxes- These are the ones Leanne Uses, and Jennie rocks these ones. As always you can find us on Facebook HERE, come on over and join in the conversation and weird memes. This week we had a cat disco video, so you know... it gets crazy!  

In this episode we are thrilled to welcome our first ever guest, Megan Tietz, to the Mom Life Crisis. Megan is the host of the helpful and amazing podcast, SortaAwesome as well as a mother of 4 living in Oklahoma City. She joins the show to talk about the awesomely useful journey of getting to know yourself and your community better through the magic of Myers Briggs.  The Things We Can’t EvenJennie- Her new, yet to be named, Guinea Pigs.Megan- The adorableness of the bond between her twin boys.Leanne- The Passage Trilogy by Justin Cronin, who totally tweeted to her on vacation. Links From The Show The Passage Trilogy, by Justin Cronin on Amazon - Vampires, but not Vampire Vampires16Personalities.com - Megan’s favorite resource for getting started with Myers BriggsDave Super powers on YouTube- Advanced Myers briggs and delving deeper into cognitive functions Connect With UsOn FacebookOn InstagramVia Email at momlifecrisispod@gmail.comFind Leanne Here on Twitter, here on her website and here on FacebookFind Jennie here on Twitter, here on her website and here on FacebookAnd find our special guest Megan here on twitter, her at the Sorta Awesome website and here on facebook 

We took a solid week off and we’re not sorry. Also, for some reason I (Leanne) recorded this episode in a squeaky, possessed chair, for that I am sorry. The things we cannot evenJennie- Stranger Things on Netflix Leanne- How much I love when my kids are can asleep so I realize their level of awesomeness.10 Things We’ve Learned in 10 years of marriageYou’re not always going to get along- you’re not actually one flesh, gross. So when needed, walk away. Just for a little bit until you can see the other person’s point.Make your home a safe place to be yourselves- except once a week where you have a festivus style airing of grievances, no feats of strength. Don’t let your kids ruin your sex life- sometimes we lock our door in the morning… to get to funkytown without making it feel like chore time.Believe the best in each other- Don’t assume every statement is loaded with snarky undertones. Communicate clearly- No passive aggressive games, but you can still tie your husband’s socks to the steering wheel, so it’s cool. Laugh & Have Fun- And definitely throw papaya at each other’s heads. Offer to help your partner before they ask- Take care of each other before it gets code red crazy.Don’t be afraid to go to counseling- You will pick up some valuable skills and helpful tips for working through anger and other issues.Be a team- Know what the other one is up to and play to your strengths and differencesTry New Things Together- Adventure brings you together! Recommendations From This EpisodeBittersweet By Shauna NiequistThe Zim Zum of Marriage By Rob and Kristen BellThe Gift Exercise (free therapy bonus!) G- GuiltI- Inferiority / InadequacyF- FearT- Trauma or PainDigging Deeper Exercise:What is the Behavior that my spouse does that triggers my anger?Identify the root of the anger using GIFT.When have I ever felt this feeling before? (perhaps at a specific time as a child)What do I do when I feel this feeling? What is my behavior?As always join us on Facebook for camaraderie in our support group.   

I’M HUNGRY! We all get there... but kids seem to get there more often… and then verbalize it into vocal demands... instantly. If you’re like us, you want your people feeding both ways: easy and healthy. Today we are sharing a few thoughts on how we keep our families fed without losing ourselves in the process.   Also we don’t know what Bon Bons are and we can’t decide what’s worse, back sweat or cleavage sweat?  But First, the things that we can’t even Leanne How to sleep more kids than you have bedrooms“I can’t even figure out a way to sleep 5 people in 3 rooms in a way that brings about some peace and harmony.” Jennie Running in Summer“So I’m back at it, training for a marathon, but It’s like running through waterfalls outside, I can’t even handle it.” Let’s talk about Food baby, and giving food to babies, and having food babies after thanksgiving dinner… not wait, we are not going to talk about that.  Here is what the government’s Health.gov site has to say about feeding kids between the ages of 4-8. Leftover Ideas, make yourself a rainbow plate, maybe you can even get your kids on board. If not you will have given yourself energy to chase them around.  Monkey Salad- this is really so easy you don’t neeeeeed a recipe.  The only link you really need here is this one, Jennie is a brilliant food blogger and is great at feeding her family. Check out her blog stat and follow her on all the social things.  What are your tips for keeping people fed all while staying sane? We’d love to hear them over at facebook.com/groups/themomlifecrisis. You can also submit comments and ideas under the contact page of our online home here.  See you again next week, or rather, talk at you again next week.

Mom Friends, Gotta Catch Em All. Also one or two is perfectly great too. Hey guys, we made it to episode 5! Can you even? We certainly can't.Speaking of things we can't even, here are ours this week:Jennie- The Rest Day, When all your give a cares are gone and you just let the people watch things and eat things and be at peace. Leanne- CBS' American Gothic, in case you need some murdery drama this summer or something to pretend to fold laundry to. Other links of interest for you:Jenni's Sermon Recommendation: "I may not feel this the exact same way as you, but I'm in it with you."Leanne loves ThredUp - Stay tuned for how it works for her on her 10th anniversary vacation. Now on to the meat of the episode, thanks to co-producer Jennifer Bryant Robins for this week's topic idea! Ideas For meeting peopleThe Gym Check inChurch or place of worshipSchool Pick up lineMoms groups like MOPS… Find Mom groups on Facebook, this can be awkwardTry a book clubThe Library… 7 Step Process To Getting More Mom DatesEmbrace the Awkward.Swap Common Interests… this can be stabbing in the darkListen, ask questionsKeep it real. People need friends they can relate to, we know it’s tempting to pretend to be “that mom”Exchange informationInviteFollow UpPlease join us at Facebook.com/groups/themomlifecrisisand leave us a kind review on iTunes, don't say we never did anything for you.  

I don't understand the question and I won't respond to it. Edited in part while I played Hide and Go Seek with my kids, true story.... Hiding in the closet as I type. #momlifeThis week we’re taking a break from important items to talk about really important things like TV Moms we love and love to hate. So listen in and join the talk mom talk over at the support group, which is here. The Things We Can’t Even This week?Poop Talk… it’s a thing and the Chik-Fil-A Valet Service, also a thing, but an amazing one.  Now on to the meat of the show, TV Moms we love and love to hate (And where you can watch them as of July, 2016.)Moms We love (In no particular order of course…)Kristina Braverman- NBC’s Parenthood (On Netflix)Lorelai Gilmore- Gilmore Girls- (On Netflix)Tammy Taylor- Friday Night Lights (On Netflix)Becky Katsopolis- (Not currently available online)Peggy Hill (Not currently available online)Tracy Mosby How I met your Mother (On Netflix)Moms We Love To HateLucile Bluth- Arrested Development (On Netflix)Estelle Costanza- Seinfeld (On Hulu)Nancy Botwin (On Netflix)Cersei Lannister (On HBO Now)Meredith Gray- Grey’s Anatomy (On Hulu) And we don’t hate her, we just don’t get where her kids are 97% of the time while she’s operating and or drinking tequila. So Who is your Favorite TV Mom? Who do you love to hate?Let's talk about that! And while you're at it, please tell a friend about the show or leave us some kind words in iTunes? Your Faithful Servants, L. Penn, J. Van.