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The Modesty Files
56 minutes | Oct 20, 2021
#34: Shattering the Golden Plates: AnnaMarie Breaks Down the Mormon Church
Today, we are speaking with AnnaMarie, a woman who has recently left the Mormon church. The Mormon church is one of the newest Christian denominations and also has one of the most unique origin stories. AnnaMarie was born into and grew up in the Mormon Church and accepted its customs as ordinary until she went off to college. She was committed to her role and the expectations of her church, but when she tried to leave quietly she was stalked by missionaries in the group. She’ll get into the details on her involvement and more in today’s episode.Support us on Patreon! patreon.com/themodestyfilesFollow us on Instagram @themodestyfiles for updates and bonus content.
52 minutes | Oct 13, 2021
#33: ...Or Your Girlfriend: Alex's Coming Out Journey with a Life Shaped Through Bob Jones University
On today’s show, we’re speaking with Alex, a woman who was raised in United Pentecostal Church International. She attended an Independent Fundamentalist Baptist school whose practices were heavily influenced by its neighbor, Bob Jones University. She frequently visited the campus for sports and music recitals, and had to follow all of the required rules. Alex is going to share with us what religious practices she followed growing up and how breaking away from the church allowed her to embrace her sexuality as a queer woman.Support us on Patreon! patreon.com/themodestyfilesFollow us on Instagram @themodestyfiles for updates and bonus content.
45 minutes | Oct 6, 2021
#32 - Deconstructing with an Audience: Lindsey of TikTok's @cultchronicals Shares Her Experience with Bill Gothard and IBLP - Part Two
Today we’re continuing our conversation with Lindsey. Last week, she shared with us was it was like growing in ATI culture and working with Bill Gothard at Headquarters for the Advanced Training Institute. If you haven’t listened to Part One, we highly recommend going back to hear Lindsey's story from the beginning. Lindsey is going to share with us how she ultimately left ATI, fell in love, and started a new life for herself outside of the church.Topics in this episode include mature adult themes, so listener discretion is advised.Support us on Patreon! patreon.com/themodestyfilesFollow us on Instagram @themodestyfiles for updates and bonus content.
62 minutes | Sep 29, 2021
#31 - Deconstructing with an Audience: Lindsey of TikTok's @cultchronicals Shares Her Experience with Bill Gothard and IBLP - Part One
Welcome to SEASON THREE of The Modesty Files! On today's episode, we're speaking with Lindsey, a former member of Advanced Training Institute, the infamous homeschool curriculum created by Bill Gothard. While we know our guest as Lindsey, for those on TikTok, you may know her as at @cultchronicles. Looking for something to do at the start of quarantine, Lindsey decided to re-read her old journals and document her re-exploration of the past on TikTok. She went viral, and people were fascinated by the stories she was sharing. But more importantly, Lindsey discovered that opening up about her life in ATI was what she needed to finally begin her healing process. So today, instead of hearing Lindsey's experience growing up in ATI in a 1-minute video, we have two episodes to explore the depths of her upbringing.Topics in this episode include mature adult themes, so listener discretion is advised.Support us on Patreon! patreon.com/themodestyfilesFollow us on Instagram @themodestyfiles for updates and bonus content.
31 minutes | Sep 1, 2021
Where Are They Now: Lydia's New Life as a Wife and How She Reshaped Her Views on Marriage
On today’s “Where are they now” special episode we’re talking with one of our season 1 guests, Lydia. She was the first one to introduce us to Christian purity culture and Josh Harris's book “I Kissed Dating Goodbye.” Lydia shared with us last year that she had yet to have her first kiss, and while we’ll let Lydia share with us what she has been up, let’s say it’s almost as perfect as a hallmark movie. We highly recommend going back and listening to her episode in season 1, episode 8 to hear her complete story. Support us on Patreon! patreon.com/themodestyfilesFollow us on Instagram @themodestyfiles for updates and bonus content.
28 minutes | Aug 5, 2021
Where Are They Now: Angela’s Transformational Year Since Speaking Out
On today’s “Where are They Now” special episode we’re talking with Angela, who was a guest in Season 1. She comes from a Pentecostal background and taught us all about the church’s rituals, such as healing and speaking in tongues, her experience being a pastor’s kid, and what it means to take a “liberal” stance on sex education and morals. We highly recommend going back and listening to her episode in Season 1, Episode 9 to hear her complete story. Support us on Patreon! patreon.com/themodestyfilesSupport us on Patreon! patreon.com/themodestyfilesFollow us on Instagram @themodestyfiles for updates and bonus content.
50 minutes | Jun 30, 2021
#30 - Jenni's Coming Out Story Part Two: Life on Guam, Conversion Therapy, and the Decade after Leaving Fundamentalism
Today we’re continuing our conversation with Jenni, an alum from Bob Jones University. If you haven’t listened to Part One, we highly recommend going back to hear Jenni's story from the beginning. She explained to us many of the rules enforced by the school and how challenging it was for Jenni to come out as a queer. Jenni going to share with us what it was like to undergo years of conversion therapy, what led her to leave fundamentalism, and how she learned to embrace her true self as a queer woman.Topics in this episode include abuse, mental health difficulties, and other mature themes, so listener discretion is advised.This is the last episode of Season 2 of The Modesty Files! Thank you once again to all the incredible people that we’ve spoken to this year and the supporters we’ve connected with along the way. We’ll be back in September for Season Three, so in the meantime, please to leave us a rating or review wherever you listen to your podcasts, follow us on Instagram and support us over on Patreon to get access to bonus segments throughout the summer.And one final thank you to our female power squad: Allison, Amanda, Caroline, Emma, Kelsey, Janelle, Jessica, Savannah, and Sophie for helping us bring season two to life.Support us on Patreon! patreon.com/themodestyfilesFollow us on Instagram @themodestyfiles for updates and bonus content.
71 minutes | Jun 23, 2021
#29 - Jenni's Coming Out Story Part One: The Bob Jones's Handbook and Experiences with Anti-LGBTQA+ Practices
Today we are speaking with Jenni, an alum from Bob Jones University, a private, non-denominational evangelical university in Greenville, South Carolina. It is known for its conservative cultural and religious positions. At Bob Jones, Jenni had to abide by strict rules enforced by the school, like a bell that rang at 11 pm and 7 am for mandatory bedtime and wake time every day. The university fostered a “tattling culture” and so as Jenni discover her sexual identity, it made coming out as a queer person pretty difficult. Jenni is here today to share all the details about Bob Jones and her incredible coming out story.Topics in this episode include mature themes, so listener discretion is advised. Support us on Patreon! patreon.com/themodestyfilesFollow us on Instagram @themodestyfiles for updates and bonus content.
61 minutes | Jun 16, 2021
#27 - Redefining Womanhood: How Nick Embraced Her Identity as a Queer Woman
On today’s episode, we’re joined by Nick, a former member of the Church of the Brethren. Growing up, Nick expressed many questions about her non-denominational faith and religious practices. She had a hard time performing the role she had to play for the church community. As queer person, Nick struggle with the church’s required head covering, dresses on sunday, overall traditional femmine expectations. The Brethren openly opposed same-sex marriage and these teachings became problematic as Nick grew older and started exploring her sexual identity. Her religious beliefs began to fade in college and her involvement on Tumblr and fandoms helped her realize the importance of self-expression and freedom in creating your own identity. Topics in this episode include mature adult themes, so listener discretion is advised. Support us on Patreon! patreon.com/themodestyfilesFollow us on Instagram @themodestyfiles for updates and bonus content.
55 minutes | Jun 9, 2021
#26 - Slow Boil Persuasion: Martina's Fall into the Mormon Church
Welcome back to the second episode of our Pride Month celebration series. Today we’re speaking with Martina, a queer woman from Belgum who’s going to share with us her unique experience with the Mormon church. After a traumatic incident as a teen, Martina was searching for a community of people. She encountered a group of Mormon missionaries and her friendship with them turned into a slow boil of indoctrination into the church. She fell for the love bombing, and soon enough, the church convinced her that she “struggled with same-sex attraction” and that she could easily fall in love with a man. After a year of participating in Mormon practices and attempting to deny her sexuality, Martina decided on the day of her baptism that she needed to leave the Mormon church for good. Topics in this episode include mature adult themes, so listener discretion is advised. Support us on Patreon! patreon.com/themodestyfilesFollow us on Instagram @themodestyfiles for updates and bonus content.
74 minutes | Jun 2, 2021
#25 - From ATI to Bob Jones University: Elizabeth Hunter's Battle to Change Anti-LGBTQA+ Policies
Today is the first episode of our Pride Month celebration series. We’re bringing to you five incredible episodes from people in the LGBTQA+ community who have left fundamentalism.We’re kicking off our series with an interview with Elizabeth Hunter, or @ThatLizHunter for those who know her from Instagram and TikTok. Elizabeth has spent the last year on social media documenting her experiences growing up influenced by Bill Gothard's homeschool curriculum, the Advanced Training Institute. Additionally, Elizabeth attended Bob Jones University and was almost kicked out of the school for her sexuality. Administrators threatened her student status after she tweeted “Happy Pride” and wrote a book with lesbian characters. Now in 2021, Elizabeth is participating as a plaintiff in a lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Education. She’ll get into the details on her involvement and more in today’s episode. Topics in this episode include physical and sexual abuse, depression, and other mature themes, so listener discretion is advised. Support us on Patreon! patreon.com/themodestyfilesFollow us on Instagram @themodestyfiles for updates and bonus content.
57 minutes | May 26, 2021
#24 - Rewriting the Past: Halt's White-Washed Education in History and Politics
Today’s guest is Halt and he’s going to share with us his male perspective of what it was like attending a Non-denominational Christian school in Las Vegas. From Kindergarten through 12th grade, Halt was immersed in Christianized education. He received very little sex education and participated in purity banquets, pledging that they would maintain their virginity for marriage. Halt’s history courses also focused on white-washed history topics like Great Replacement Theory and used “Apologetics” to justify their teachers. Halt finally began to question his beliefs as a junior in high school when he began taking non-sanitized history courses at the local college.Support us on Patreon! patreon.com/themodestyfilesFollow us on Instagram @themodestyfiles for updates and bonus content.
70 minutes | May 19, 2021
#23 - The IBLP Umbrella in the Land Down Under: Kez’s Life as a Pastor’s Kid
On today's episode, we're speaking with Kez, who joins us all the way from the other side of the world in Australia. She is here today to share with us her experience growing up in the Independent Baptist church, and how the Advanced Training Institute homeschool curriculum was implemented in her home. Growing up as a pastor's kid, Kez faced the pressures of perfection and was isolated from anyone outside her IB community. Her father even became a key player in bringing fundamentalist figures, like Bill Gothard and SM Davis, to Australia. Kez struggled for years with mental health challenges but eventually escaped to seek help and discovered what freedom felt like on the outside.Trigger warnings for topics including child sexual abuse and suicidal ideation. Listener discretion advised. Support us on Patreon: patreon.com/themodestyfilesFollow us on Instagram @themodestyfiles for updates and bonus content.
53 minutes | May 3, 2021
#22 - The Domino Effect: An Inside Look at Josh Duggar's Arrest and the Complexities of Leaving Abuse
This episode involves topics of physical and sexual abuse and other mature themes. Listener discretion is advised.On April 29th, Josh Duggar, the oldest son of the TLC reality show family was arrested by federal authorities and now faces charges of possessing depictions of sexual abuse of children, some of whom were under the age of 12. In response to the varying opinions out there on social media, we ourselves wanted to understand the situation better. We reached out to someone who we believe may be able to shine some light on the complexities of child abuse inside fundamentalist communities. Author and Trauma Recovery Advocate, Emily Elizabeth Anderson has a first-hand account of the abuse that occurs inside the Institute in Basic Life Principles & The Advanced Training Institute and will help us process this complex situation.Connect with Emily at ThrivingForwardBlog.com or on Facebook.com/ThrivingForwardBlogSupport us on Patreon: patreon.com/themodestyfilesFollow us on Instagram @themodestyfiles for updates and bonus content.
63 minutes | Apr 28, 2021
#21 - "The Daughters" - Deep Dive Into the Stay At Home Daughter Movement with Joanna Adams
Support us on Patreon! patreon.com/themodestyfilesFollow us on Instagram @themodestyfiles for updates and bonus content.Today we are speaking with Joanna Adams, the producer and director of “The Daughters,” an upcoming audio documentary exploring the Stay at Home Daughter movement. This movement focuses on the idea that daughters should never leave the covering of their fathers until and unless they are married. Joanna is sparking a conversation about the movement and sharing the stories of those who grew up in it, including in their relationships, careers, education choices, emotions, dress, and religious choices.You can learn more about "The Daughters" at www.thedaughtersdocu.com Follow "The Daughters" on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Stay-at-Home-Daughter-Documentary-989322501271153
67 minutes | Apr 21, 2021
#20 - Girl, You're a Missionary: April's Divine Calling to Study at the Masters Commission
Support us on Patreon! patreon.com/themodestyfilesFollow us on Instagram @themodestyfiles for updates and bonus content.This episode contains mature language so listener discretion is advised.On today’s episode, we’re speaking with April who was raised in the Pentecostal denomination known as Assemblies of God. After being told by a preacher it was her destiny to become a missionary, she applied and was accepted to the Master Commission, an intense discipleship training program. At the school, students train to become AG ministers. April was expected to eat, sleep, and drink the Bible, 24 hours a day. And after several years of some shady leadership, she began to question whether the intensity of the program was worth it. April will walk us through all of the details including a crazy story of the time she and a group were dropped off in the woods with nothing but a single tent.
72 minutes | Apr 14, 2021
#19 - The Writing on the Wall: Charity's Life as a Branhamism Message Believer
Support us on Patreon! patreon.com/themodestyfilesFollow us on Instagram @themodestyfiles for updates and bonus content.Today we are speaking with Charity Wottrich, a Christian author, who grew up in a homeschooled family in rural Pennsylvania and is 8th out of 13 children. Growing up, she belonged to a Branhamism Church. This institution was founded by William M. Branham, a Pentecostal pastor who gained popularity by hosting “healing revivals” in the 40s and 50s. His followers, who call themselves Message believers, go beyond merely having faith in the supernatural but actively anticipate and induce the rapture. After a scandal in her Pennsylvania church, Charity left the organization doubting her faith, but abandoning the Message ultimately led to her freedom and faith stronger than ever before.You can find Charity on Instagram @ thisartistslife and @thisartistslifeco. Also, read Charity's book! "Where the Willow Weeps" is available on Amazon here: https://amzn.to/2GOZDEy
5 minutes | Apr 5, 2021
Back Pocket Minisode - Bernie Discusses Her Dating Standards
Support us on Patreon! patreon.com/themodestyfilesFollow us on Instagram @themodestyfiles for updates and bonus content.We're taking a brief break this week so that we can continue working on amazing episodes for you all. But we have some extra bonus content. We've received so many requests for more content from our season two opener, Bernie. Enjoy our "Back Pocket" Minisodes with extra content from Episode #14: Thirty, UnFlirty, but Trying: Bernie's Quick Explosion Out of Purity Culture. Bernie shares some of her personal standards as she experiments with modern-day dating apps.If you enjoy this content, please join us over on Patreon and support our podcast. We released all of our episodes early and post bonus content every week. Our theme song is written by Savannah Kunze.
66 minutes | Mar 24, 2021
#17 - Dorm Room Confessions: How Kristin and Tripp Found Love at a Church of Christ University
Support us on Patreon! patreon.com/themodestyfilesFollow us on Instagram @themodestyfiles for updates and bonus content.In today’s episode, we have not one, BUT TWO guests, Kristin and Tripp! This awesome couple met at Abilene Christian University, a private Christian university in Texas affiliated with the Church of Christ. Growing up within the Church of Christ community, Kristin was accustomed to the church's practices, such as Acappella only worship songs and plain interior design buildings. However, Tripp discovered Abilene totally on accident and was surprised by the university's Christian policies, like gender-separated dorm rooms. Students were required to follow strict protocols when it came to interacting with members of the opposite sex, So how did Kristin and Tripp date? Well, let’s just say baggy sweats and a baseball cap go a long way.
68 minutes | Mar 17, 2021
#16 - Beneath the Umbrella: Victoria Details the Teachings of ATI, Bill Gothard's Homeschool Curriculum
Today we are talking to Victoria. a former member of the Institute in Basic life Principles or IBLP. This organization was founded by Bill Gothard and is most known as the system of beliefs that TLC’s Dugger family subscribes to. As a kid. Victoria was homeschooled using the Advanced Training Institute curriculum, a “biblically-based” homeschool program also developed by Bill Gothard. She also attended IBLP's Journey to the Heart, a retreat for teenage girls and Victoria will go into all the details about her experience on this retreat. Support us on Patreon! patreon.com/themodestyfilesFollow us on Instagram @themodestyfiles for updates and bonus content.
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