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Latasha Kennedy is a screenwriter, producer, actress, and director. Currently through her production company, LMK Entertainment Group, Latasha creates family-oriented content that esteems young women of color on the rise and young families raising next generation leaders. Latasha is extremely interested in telling stories that highlight African American culture in a way that is authentic, enriching, empowering and entertaining. Her short film, One Last Goodbye, a story that explores the impact that suicide has on families left behind, is currently in post and expected to begin screening publicly in November 2018. In 2015, she produced a short film called, Meltdown, a comedic tale about a young, quirky new mom struggling to find her waistline after giving birth. Latasha went on to write the spin-off series called She's Such a Mom. The semi-autobiographical, comedic series explores a young woman's journey while living in Brooklyn, NY and struggling to balance marriage, motherhood, and her career. The series explores what it means to "have it all", women in the workplace, and the superwoman complex. In 2016, the pilot became a semi-finalist in the Sundance | YouTube Episodic Lab and will begin production in early 2019. Show Notes www.thecreativeoutsiders.com https://www.lmkentertainmentgrp.com/

Marissa has cumulatively over 7 years of experience working in the business and legal fields of the entertainment industry, including working for SAG-AFTRA, one of the largest entertainment unions. She has assisted clients in negotiating co-production agreements with major networks, and assisted clients in the areas of trademark prosecution, copyright registration and enforcement, IP licensing deals, incorporation of production companies, talent management firms, and agencies. She has represented screenwriters, production companies, and management firms in a myriad of commercial deals, and has provided General Counsel services to several start-up companies.  On This Episode Black-ish Case: A lesson in protecting your rights under a writer collaboration agreement Where filmmakers are blowing it with contracts. Agents verses Attorney  Can I afford a lawyer? Immigration & Entertainment   The Union side of entertainment  Registering through the WGA what does that mean for my rights.  Book she is reading? Hollywood Reporter, Variety  What is she watching? This is Us  Let’s Get Social @Crespolawoffice Instagram @thecreativeoutsiders or @shivawn_adrienne SUPPORT THE PODCAST If you like this episode, share it + subscribe + leave a review (or do both) The more reviews, the greater chance someone else will hear these episodes.

After graduating Chapman University, Paulina moved to Los Angeles to pursue her filmmaking endeavors. Aware of the extremely small percentage of female filmmakers working in Hollywood, Paulina decided this was the perfect opportunity to create her own films. She’s always felt comfortable being the underdog. Paulina launched her production company Jax Productions, named after her first rescue dog, in 2015 when she was directing branded content and commercial spots for startup food brands and 5 star resorts.  In 2017, Paulina wrote and directed her first feature film “Mail Order Monster”, a female driven, blended family positive, bully sympathetic, sci-fi / family drama. Frustrated by the current, liveaction family films being made that painted life in black and what, Paulina sought to make a film about the gray, something today’ families can relate to. Due to the dark, mature content of her short films, Paulina never thought her directorial feature film debut would be one involving kids and a monster, but the universe has a sense of humor. On This Episode: Why filmmaking? Proof of Concept. Be strategic, working backwards. Tax incentives Creative process as a director? Juggling the producer and director role. Filming her first narratives, and mishaps. Connect with Us: www.mailordermonstermovie.com www.jaxmakesmovies.com https://www.instagram.com/mailordermonster/ www.thecreativeoutsiders.com www.instagram.com/thecreativeoutsiders

Sadé Clacken Joseph is a Caribbean-American filmmaker, photographer and singer-songwriter from the Bronx, NY. Sadé began making short films and writing songs on piano in high school, and has been in love with telling stories ever since. After graduating with a degree in Anthropology from Columbia University in 2011, she joined the production team for the ABC talkshow The View. After four years on the show, and freelancing as a documentarian, she decided to fully pursue her dreams of being a filmmaker and recently received her MFA in Film Production from USC's prestigious School of Cinematic Arts. From the Hebron Hills of Palestine, to the streets of South Central, the content she creates showcases diverse voices from all reaches of the globe. Through directing, writing, shooting, editing and producing, her portfolio extends across multiple forms of media. Whether it is music videos, documentaries, narrative films or promotional content, her vision, voice and sensitivity to socially conscious filmmaking shines brightly in her work . On This Episode we Cover: Going from a Degree in Anthropology to working at the View How is she getting hired? Her project HATS Her Creative Process Connect: www.thecreativeoutsiders.com http://www.sadecjoseph.com

Kristina Thomas is full force directing machine. She started filmmaking in college and mentored under Haile Gerima; learning the ins-and-outs of the film business. It later helped her show her potential in the documentary side of filmmaking by winning awards that led her to an opportunity to direct a pilot show in New Orleans, Louisiana. The pilot centered on three young people, between the ages of 19-24, making a difference to help rebuild New Orleans. Kristina has worked as a Script Coordinator on Being Mary Jane, New Edition Story, Greenleaf and currently Lovecraft Country. Kristina hopes to one day become an influential and acclaimed filmmaker/writer in history. Connect with Kristina Thomas www.instagram.com/introducextina Connect with Us www.thecreativeoutsiders.com (show notes) www.instagram.com/thecreativeoutsiders

Arkeisha Roberts graduated in 2004 from Virginia Tech with a Bachelor’s Degree in Theatre Arts with a focus in acting, directing, and playwriting. After graduation, Arkeisha immediately went to Los Angeles where she remained for three years screenwriting and acting. She moved to New York where she wrote screenplays for Lance Rivera aka “UN” who is the main director for Queen Latifah’s company. He connected her with many celebrities to write for including Irv Gotti, Katt Williams, Charlie Murphy, Faizon Love, Wendy Williams, Russell Simmons adopted son (Cavalli), and many more. While in New York, Arkeisha also continued to act in independent films. In 2014 Michael Copon contacted her to write Worth the Price. Then in 2015, Copon asked her to write the TV series Dystopia and to be script supervisor for the filming of all ten episodes. It was then, she decided to move from New York to her hometown Virginia to continue her dreams writing screenplays for Michael Copon as well as helping build up his film company. Since settling in Virginia Beach, she has worked on several feature films in the area with million dollar budgets and independent films/tv production with positions such as 2nd Assistant Director, production assistant, script supervisor, and art director. She produced a play she wrote and showed it at the Sandler Center that included opera singing, puppets, and salsa dancing. She is working on converting a N.Y. times best seller into a screenplay, that she intends to produce along with another original screenplay. On This Episode: Finding your voice as a writer, director. Life lessons as a creative. Charging your worth. Creating in Virginia and finding your community wherever you live. Finding your agent. Balancing so many hats as a creative. Show Notes www.thecreativeoutsiders.com www.instagram.com/keish777 www.instagram.com/thecreativeoutsiders The Promise https://amzn.to/2nEOkFc

Jalena Keane-Lee is a co-founder of Breaktide Productions an all women of color production team. Her first documentary short, The Construct: Female Laborers and the Fight for Equality follows Burmese female laborers as they physically develop a country that is rapidly changing. The short was selected for streaming on Seed&Spark’s “Fight for Your Rights” playlist, and has begun its festival run at the Portland Film Festival, and Seattle Asian American Film Festival. Additionally, Jalena has Directed a short Czech language film on 16mm, a spec pilot with an all woman of color cast and crew, and partnered with non-profits to amplify their work. Jalena is currently a 2018 Sally Burns Shenkman Woman Filmmaker Fellow at the Jacob Burns Film Center, which has supported shorts that have premiered at SXSW, HotDocs, and Sundance. Her writing has been featured in Seventeen Magazine, The Tempest and NBC.com, and she has made films that highlight the importance of campus activism, a woman of color running for office, and destigmatizing menstruation. On This Episode We Cover: Why it's important to her to tell stories that spark social change?  Her Project Standing Above The Clouds  First Piece of Equipment she invested in as a filmmaker verses what she would invest in now? Who is the priority in your story, who wants to see what you are doing? Being a one woman band, teaching her about her voice and perspective  Finding her voice as a filmmaker.  Funding Connect https://www.thecreativeoutsiders.com http://www.jalenakeanelee.com/

As a director and photographer, Toni has worked with talents such as Taraji P. Henson, Rob Lowe, Fab 5 Freddy and Ava Duvernay. It was Ava who named Toni Vibe’s Next Female Filmmaker. As a commercial and content director, her clients have included AOL, Barnes & Noble, Kmart, AT&T, The Nicki Minaj Collection, Clinique, A&E television, Tyra Banks' Type F, and Wacoal. Recently, she was selected by the NYC Mayor's office for their MOME film finance lab. Through the lab, she's developing a narrative feature film project. Currently, Toni is in Post Production on a fun and raw webseries she wrote and directed called "Potty Break". ​Toni co-produced and co-starred in the Gotham Award nominated film, "August The First". ​Also, Toni is in production on a feature length Documentary about a recently released former Pennsylvania Drug Kingpin, who is simultaneously fighting to save his community and his life as he battles cancer. On This Episode Her Documentary Unapologetic  Her upcoming Web Series Potty Break  How she was able to work with clients like; AOL, Barnes & Noble, Kmart, AT&T, The Nicki Minaj Collection, Clinique, A&E television, Tyra Banks' Type F, and Wacoal Why traveling is important for filmmakers.  What is she reading? The Last Black Unicorn https://amzn.to/2LoEIZs , The Miracle Morning  https://amzn.to/2NjqeL0 Connect www.thecreativeoutsiders.com https://www.tonithai.com/

Sarah Moshman is an Emmy Award-winning documentary filmmaker and TEDx speaker whose work has been featured on Upworthy, Marie Claire, CNN, and Good Morning America. After directing two short documentaries about female empowerment in young women, (Girls Rock! Chicago (2010) and Growing up Strong: Girls on the Run (2012)) she set out to direct her first feature doc The Empowerment Project: Ordinary Women Doing Extraordinary Things (2014) which has been screened over 700 times around the US and around the world in schools, groups, organizations and corporations starting conversations about gender equality. With Indieflix as the distributor, the film has been sponsored by major brands like Nordstrom, American Girl and Microsoft to spread this message far and wide. Sarah's second feature doc, Losing Sight of Shore follows the incredible journey of four women who rowed across the Pacific Ocean. The film was released globally in 190 countries on Netflix in May 2017. On This Episode Her Documentary Losing Sight of Shore. How she ran prepared none filmmakers at sea to tell their story through film. Not having money for your project but how to get it done. Mentioned using sony fdr ax100 How to look for the deeper layers to tell a documentary story? How to get started when as a documentary storyteller? Empowerment Project. www.thecreativeoutsiders.com (show notes) https://www.sarahmoshman.com

​Georgia native, Noel Corbin, attended Davidson Fine Arts High School, where she first began her studies costume design at the age of 14. Having found her gift for bringing stories to life through textiles at a young age, she took college course work at the Savannah College of Art & Design while in high school and later obtained her Undergraduate Degree in Fashion Design from Georgia Southern University. With 10 years professional experience in costume design with Codeblack Films, the Amateur Comedy Club of New York City, and Coerlessly Ink., and fashion design in the New York fashion industry at Nicole Miller and Brooklyn Industries, Noel continued her education by enrolling in New York University in 2014. While attending NYU, she worked at a contractor with the fashion collection at the Smithsonian, broadening her knowledge in textile history, care, and research. In 2017, she completed her Masters of Arts degree in Visual Culture: Costume Studies with a focus on the 19th and early 20th dress and relocated to Los Angeles, California to continue her work in costume design. Noel specializes in period costume, design, illustration, patternmaking, and construction and is currently the costume designer for Stepford Sidechix, a new web-series by Coerlessly Ink. Visit www.thecreativeoutsiders.com for show notes

Shameka S.L. Sawyer is the founder and Creative Director of the 5 Shorts Project. Founded in 2013, the 5 Shorts Project assists aspiring filmmakers with creating a short film. Once films are completed, the project hosts a free community screening and the films air on local television via Comcast and Verizon. All participants - actors, cast, and crew are eligible to receive IMDb credit. To date, the 5 Shorts Project has produced 20 short films in 4 years. On This Episode We Chat About: What is 5 shorts project? How she is building a community in film Working as a DP Avoiding the mean girl role as a director Empowering Others to use their voice in film. Biggest mistake as a newbie filmmaker. During the show I mention the documentary http://www.pbs.org/pov/theovernighters/ What she's watching? Dear White People https://www.netflix.com/title/80095698 Connect with us both www.thecreativeoutsiders.com www.instagram.com/thecreativeoutsiders http://www.5shorts.org/ www.instagram.com/5_shorts

Sahra V. Nguyen is an award-winning filmmaker, director, writer & entrepreneur currently based in Brooklyn, New York. She has served as the Director of the Writing Success Program at the University of California, Los Angeles where she helped undergraduate students develop critical thinking skills, self-empowerment and agency through the writing process.As a keynote speaker at Universities and conferences, Sahra speaks on a range of topics including Asian American issues + identity, pursuing a non-conventional creative career, the power of media + storytelling, and expanding the human potential beyond stereotypical ideas of success. Under her own production company, One Ounce Gold LLC, in Spring 2014 Sahra created and filmed a documentary web series about NYC entrepreneurs called, "Maker's Lane," which was co-presented by the Smithsonian APAC and featured on Colorlines.com, NBCNews.com and Huffington Post. The series celebrates innovation, creativity and trailblazers in the entrepreneurial spirit of the American Dream. Sahra + Maker's Lane was selected as a Top 25 Finalist in CineCause Women's Initiative 2014 in Los Angeles, CA. In 2015, Sahra launched Season 2 of Maker's Lane. In September 2014, Sahra was honored with the May Takayanagi Making Waves Award by social justice leaders at Asian American Resource Workshop's 35th Anniversary celebration in Boston, MA. Sahra continues her passion for storytelling and giving light to underrepresented stories as a Digital Contributor for NBC News, Blogger for Huffington Post, and Contributor for Complex Media's NTRSCTN.com With a passion to constantly take on new challenges, Sahra along with three friends (all under the age of 30) opened up their first storefront business in Bushwick, NY, called "Lucy's Vietnamese Kitchen," in March 2015. She continues her love for storytelling and passion for promoting Vietnamese American culture as the company's Head Creative + Communications Manager. Mid-2016, Sahra sold her second documentary series to NBCNews.com, "Deported," which follows the grassroots fight to end deportation of Cambodian Americans from the U.S. to Cambodia. Under her own production company, One Ounce Gold, she filmed the doc in Seattle, Philadelphia, New York City, and Cambodia. "Deported" was nominated alongside CNN's Lisa Ling's "This is Life" and won the 2018 NAMIC Vision Award for Best Digital Media, Long Form. On This Episode We Discuss: How does a day look like as a filmmaker, production company owner and a restaurant co-owner? Why it's important to her to cover underrepresented voices in media. Infusing her personal experiences in her storytelling. Her Documentary Deported. How did she get her work on NBC News The business side of filmmaking. Social Justice and Storytelling. Connect: http://www.sahravang.com/instagram/ http://www.sahravang.com/ www.thecreativeoutsiders.com www.instagra.com/thecreativeoutsiders

Metta Bastet When she was little, she dreamed of being an ice skating spy but she can't say she's disappointed with her current profession. To put it plan, she get's to be nosy for a living and she's been in the business of documenting life since 2004. She's an Emmy-Nominated Story Producer, Video Journalist and Editor. You may have also seen her work on Richmond PBS, and apart of the team Who's Johnny Creative. On This Episode We Cover: Being nosy for a living. How filmmaking chose her. How she Pitches her projects. Amy Black and the Pink Ink Fund https://vimeo.com/220251583 Minimalist as a Documentary Filmmaker Connect www.instagram.com/digitalfruitsnax www.thecreativeoutsiders.com www.instagram.com/thecreativeoutsiders

Myah Hollis is Head of Development and the Lead Event Planner at Pretty Thing. She is the creator and executive producer of Or Die Trying, the studio's first original series. Hollis' background in screenwriting and development has given her a fresh perspective on storytelling. She seeks to produce strong, character-driven content that illuminates underrepresented voices and represents the world as it truly is. Hollis has also worked as an event planner in LA, organizing everything from weddings to premieres. She is the founder of Holli Baker, a lifestyle and wellness site catered towards creatives. On This Episode We Cover: What does a typical day look like for her? Shonda Rhimes is like Khaleesi How Script Coverage helped her as a screenwriter. Finding her voice as a screenwriter Her Project "Or Die Trying" Connect with Us: WEBSITES www.prettythingstudios.com www.hollibaker.com www.thecreativeoutsiders.com SOCIAL MEDIA @myahhollis @thecreativeoutsiders

Roxanne Avent has established herself as a leading producer and executive whose creative vision and drive has contributed to the success of many feature films, comedy shows and television series. Avent has formed a partnership with Deon Taylor and their film company, Hidden Empire Film Group (HEFG), is on fire. She heads the creative edge and business aptitude of this powerful company in the film industry.Avent has developed, packaged and produced a powerful slate of films for release in 2018, including the thriller “Traffik,” starring Paula Patton, Missi Pyle, Omar Epps, William Fichtner and Roselyn Sanchez.Avent also produced the upcoming thriller “Motivated Seller” starring Dennis Quaid, Michael Ealy and Megan Good, along with the comedy feature “All-Star Weekend,” starring Foxx, Robert Downey Jr., Gerard Butler, Eva Longoria, Jeremy Piven and Jessica Szohr – directed by Jamie Foxx. Avent was a driving force behind Hidden Empire’s massive success in 2016 with the studio’s horror spoof “Meet the Blacks,” starring Mike Epps, George Lopez, Mike Tyson, Zulay Henao and King Batch. Placing in the top 10 at the box office and growing its audience on streaming and VOD, Avent recently finished producing a sequel to the film for theatrical release in 2018 titled “The House Next Door,” starring comedy icons Mike Epps and Katt Williams. Prior to her work at Hidden Empire Film Group, Avent’s credits in television production include over two-dozen episodes of Walker, Texas Ranger. She also worked for the prestigious, Directors Guild of America, where she oversaw all aspects of production for movie premieres, television award programs, supervising more than fifty employees. On This Episode we Cover: Why she choose the filmmaking industry? Starting as a PA and working her way up. Handling failure. Being and independent filmmaker. Her Film Traffik https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz-XiYNCo7o Connect with Roxanne Avent https://hiddenempirefilmgroup.com/ https://www.instagram.com/hiddenempirefilmgroup/ Connect with us: www.thecreativeoutsiders.com www.instagram.com/thecreativeoutsiders/

Christina Raia is a New York City based Writer/Director, the Founder of CongestedCat Productions, and the Director of Crowdfunding at Seed&Spark. She won Best Director for her feature film, Summit, at Flickers: Rhode Island International Film Festival (genre division). She co-created, directed, and produced the comedic web series 'Kelsey,' which premiered on blip.tv in September 2013 to rave reviews and consistent press coverage, including as a Critic’s Pick and named one of the 19 Best Comedy Web Series of 2013 by Indiewire.com. It has over a quarter million views online. She recently finished post-production for her second feature film, About a Donkey. She has also begun pitching what she hopes to be her third feature, Silent Night, which was a Quarter Finalist at Slamdance's 2016 Screenwriting Competition. Her other credits as Director, Producer and Writer include over a dozen narrative short films that have made official selection at film festivals across the country. In addition to Indiewire, her projects and approach as a filmmaker have been covered by AfterEllen, BuzzFeed, and various other media outlets. Her work can be viewed on Amazon Prime, Vimeo, VHX, and Youtube. She also turned her desire to foster collaboration and engagement in the local film community into IndieWorks, a monthly film screening series showcasing and supporting the work of other independent filmmakers in New York; currently in its 5th year. http://christinaraia.com/ @craia9 on Twitter and Instagram On This Episode we Cover: How does she stay creative and inspired as a filmmaker? Why writing groups are important for screenwriters? Where filmmakers go wrong with crowdfunding? How can horror films have a message? Identifying who you are as a filmmaker? Show notes: www.thecreativeoutsiders.com

With an obsessed love for writing and storytelling in multiple capacities the pr professional turned writer/producer Akiya Mcknight is embarking on her first short film. Akiya has worked on multiple indie projects as well as well as TV shows such as Survivors Remorse, The Have &Have Nots and ATL. The Connecticut born and Atl resident plans to tell stories of the complete woman and minority experience from all over the world. Covered on the Podcast: Starting out as a Script Supervisor The importance of volunteering and attending Film Festivals Raising Funds for her Short Film Served Working at Tyler Perry Studios How she handles writer's block Connect: Served Film https://www.servedfilm.com/ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/visionarher/ The Creative Outsiders www.thecreativeoutsiders.com (show notes) Instagram https://www.instagram.com/thecreativeoutsiders/

Okema T. Moore is an actress and producer who also writes, sings and directs. As of Summer 2017, Okema has functioned as the production coordinator for Season 6 of Oprah's Master Class and has five different projects in which she is either an actor, producer or director in a total of more than 40 festivals across four continents. This includes a staged reading that she directed and starred in at the historic Smithsonian Anacostia Museum in DC for the DC Black Theatre Festival. She has also been commissioned to write her first TV pilot by a seven-time EMMY award winning Producer, and is a Producer on the new series, Little Apple. Okema continues to hustle and build her personal brand, MOOREthanEnuff Media, by creating new works for herself and others, in front of and behind the camera. On This Episode we cover: How does she juggle wearing the different hats of producer, director, writer and actress Why technique and talent are both important Working as production coordinator for Season 6 of Oprah's Master Class http://www.oprah.com/own-master-class/trailer-oprahs-master-class-season-6 Starting her production company Show Notes www.thecreativeoutsiders.com Let’s Get Social Okema http://www.moorethanenuff.com/ https://www.instagram.com/MtEMediaLLC/ The Creative Outsiders https://www.instagram.com/thecreativeoutsiders/ SUPPORT THE PODCAST If you like this episode, share it + subscribe + leave a review (or do both) The more reviews, the greater chance someone else will hear these episodes.

Based out of Los Angeles, California Brittney is cinematographer, editor and still photographer. Brittney has seven years of experience in Television production, digital and commercial production, working with clients such as TV One, Motions Hair, Nike, Instyle Magazine, Creators of Color and FOX on projects ranging from BTS, to short narratives and more. Brittney is the co-founder of Lor’ene Janae where she is contributing content creator. She also works with a lot of musicians, artist and other filmmakers on personal projects. On This Episode We Chat About: How she originally started off studying IT but transitioned into editing. Moving from St. Louis to California, what's next after moving and how to put yourself out there. Establishing their production company and the importance of combining their talents. http://www.lorenejanae.com/ Her first job as a transcriber for the Bad Girls Club. Passion projects that helped build her portfolio. How Craig's list was a defining moment in meeting her mentor. Maintaining her faith in Hollywood. Creators of Color http://www.thecreatorsofcolor.com/ and working on Tiffany Haddish project. For Show Notes: www.thecreativeoutsiders.com Stay connected to Brittney Janae http://www.brittneyjanae.com/ https://www.instagram.com/brittney.janae/ Stay connected to Us: https://www.instagram.com/thecreativeoutsiders/ https://www.facebook.com/thecreativeoutsiders/ https://www.instagram.com/shivawn_adrienne/ SUPPORT THE PODCAST If you like this episode, share it + subscribe + leave a review (or do both) The more reviews, the greater chance someone else will hear these episodes.

Based out of Los Angeles & Phoenix, Malakai is a director & creative vested in visual storytelling that empowers those with a voice.  The goal for Malakai is to be all things fearless.  As a black woman, she knows that the current industry is sparse with a lack of representation and diversity.  Because of this, she forges forward by creating narratives for the bold and the brave.  Her short documentary film Black Girls Code has been showcased within the Cannes Film Festival: SFC, Langston Hughes AA Fest, Miami SciFi Fest, Chelsea Fest, Focus Forward  and other additional festival platforms.  As well as this, the film had special screenings at some of the top tech companies: Facebook, Google, Twitter, and Salesforce.    In 2014 Malakai was awarded and honored as an “Extraordinary Woman of Color”, live on (ABC 15).   In 2015 she was tapped as the “filmmakers voice” to speak on a panel for SXSW Interactive on Instant Gratification, Media and technology. Her short documentary on instant gratification also screened with this panel experience.  In this episode, we discuss: Journey into Filmmaking, and how filmmaking choose her. The first time she heard the term film director. The importance of  women applying for film fellowships  Creating without permission  How she get involved in the project Black Girls Code  Tips on starting your own Production Company The Horizon Award and Lynette Howell Taylor along with Christine Vachon http://www.horizonaward.org/ How she's grown as a director in the past four years Made In Her Image Nonprofit. https://www.madeinherimage.org/ What Malakai is watching right now? She's Gotta Have it www.netflix.com What Malakai is reading right now? In Watermelon Sugar https://www.amazon.com/Watermelon-Sugar-Richard-Brautigan/dp/1504759575 You can connect with Malakai on Facebook or Instagram https://www.directedbymalakai.com/ Let’s Get Social Instagram @thecreativeoutsiders or @shivawn_adrienne  SUPPORT THE PODCAST If you like this episode, share it + subscribe + leave a review (or do both) www.thecreativeoutsiders.com