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62 minutes | May 14, 2021
NRA - Post Their Bad Faith Bankruptcy - Episode 27
If you have not yet joined https://www.firearmspolicy.org/ https://www.gunowners.org/ https://www.saf.org/ and more, please, put your money to work there... instead of William Brewer the III's million-dollar pockets.
60 minutes | Oct 11, 2020
Ep. 25 NRA Meeting of the Members 2020
NRA info on the Meeting of the Members - Registration is closed… unless a vacancy opens up. All members can vote for Mr. Tait for the 76th director election, regardless. “Article III Sec 8, (a) Annual Meeting of Members. The Association shall hold an Annual Meeting of Members to receive the report of the election of Directors and to transact such other business as may properly come before the meeting at such time and place as shall be determined by the Board of Directors. but in no case later than November 30th of each calendar year. Notice of the time and place of such meeting shall be published in consecutive issues of the official journal of the Association not less than twice prior to the holding of the meeting.” John Richardson’s Rumors Post - Candidates: Rocky Marshall Robert Wos John Cushman Jim Wallace Craig Schwartz Kevin Hogan Frank Tait Voting will occur from 9:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. on Friday, October 23, and reopen on Saturday, October 24 at 8:00 a.m. Voting will conclude upon the adjournment of the Annual Meeting of the Members. Tucson Specific Mask wearing in effect (still) No more than 50 People Gathered without a permit Our meeting (socially distanced) Udall Park @ 5PM Friday evening.
78 minutes | Aug 10, 2020
Ep. 24 Talking about the NRA, Open Letters and more with Frank Tait, Anthony Garcia, Rob Pincus and more
Open Letter from NRA Benefactor Member: Anthony L. DeWitt “...if what the NY AG has alleged is true, a platoon of Wayne LaPierre cronies have been elected to the Board and continue to help him pillage membership funds on behalf of himself and his family. That’s money that suckers like me contributed. So, yeah, I guess I’m still a little angry even today.” -Director Herb Landford was likely electioneered by Paul Payne and company. Today, he chimed in on our Facebook Page under the (Dezarae Payne told the podcast that every year LaPierre’s office gives Paul Payne the names of NRA board candidates considered allies of the longtime boss of the gun group. Payne then works through the council to lobby NRA members in California to vote for those candidates. Because such a small percentage of members take part in the annual mail ballot election for board seats, Dezarea Payne said, her husband’s electioneering has routinely been critical to victory. Michael Schwartz, a gun rights advocate from San Diego who used to belong to the members’ councils, confirmed Dezarea Payne’s account. “The attitude from Paul Payne was very strange,” Schwartz said in regard to an NRA convention trip he made at Payne’s urging. “He was treating it like it was some kind of covert military op, which was beyond ridiculous. He had us staying at a hotel that was away from the convention center. We were told not to talk to any NRA employees or any NRA board members. We were told not to tell anybody why we were there.”) NY AG’s Summons Summons: 20 days (- August 26th) or 30 if it wasn’t personally delivered. Those Summoned: WLP, Wilson “Woody” Phillips, John Frazer, Joshua Powell Starting on page 114 (page 119 in PDF view) with point 476 through 543 clearly shows that the resolution put before the members at the NRAAM in 2019 was spot on regarding the Audit and Executive committees - they were rubber stamps and didn't even bother to understand what their fiduciary duties were under NY law nor did they follow common non-profit fiduciary practices. point 509 and 516 show retroactive approval of related party transactions WITHOUT EVEN BOTHERING TO REVIEW THE UNDERLYING DOCUMENTS - They should all resign in disgrace. DC AG’s Complaint “In recent years, the NRA has experienced financial problems related, in large part, to low membership and the NRA’s decision to continue to waste funds on improper, lavish spending. To plug financial holes caused by its own poor management, the NRA turned to the Foundation’s funds. Because the Foundation’s Board of Trustees and executives are dominated by the NRA, and the NRA had subverted the Foundation’s independence, the Foundation has allowed itself to be financially exploited through, among other things, unfair loans and management fee payments to the NRA.”
48 minutes | Aug 7, 2020
Ep. 23 NYAG Sues for Dissolution of the NRA
NYAG & DCAG Lawsuits NYAG sues to dissolve NRA James - "fraught with fraud and abuse." “ claims in a lawsuit filed Thursday that she found financial misconduct in the millions of dollars and that it contributed to a loss of more than $64 million over a three-year period” NRA - "baseless premeditated attack on our organization and the Second Amendment freedoms it fights to defend... we not only will not shrink from this fight – we will confront it and prevail." April 27th, 2019 - NYAG Begins investigation. Aug 1st, 2019 three Directors resign. Directors are silent… currently. Willes Lee only shared the link hardly made reference to it.
44 minutes | Jul 28, 2020
Ep. 22 - NRA Members' Meeting, BoD Election Results, Rigging the Election w/ guest Frank Tait
Members’ Meeting Members’ Meeting Rescheduled for the second time (June 11th) time. NRA still has yet to put out an official statement beyond the first rescheduling (here). Sometime TBD in November, 2020. Springfield Expo Center Who knows what time, maybe 0900? The Meeting will take place in Halls A/B/C of the Expo Center and commence at 9:00am Central Time were the previous. All members are invited to attend. “Article III Sec 8, (a) Annual Meeting of Members. The Association shall hold an Annual Meeting of Members to receive the report of the election of Directors and to transact such other business as may properly come before the meeting at such time and place as shall be determined by the Board of Directors. but in no case later than November 30th of each calendar year. Notice of the time and place of such meeting shall be published in consecutive issues of the official journal of the Association not less than twice prior to the holding of the meeting.” 2. Election Results ELECTED TO THREE-YEAR TERMS ENDING IN 2023 Jay Printz J. William Carter Charles L. Cotton Linda Walker Judi White Leroy Sisco Howard J. Walter Graham Hill Mark E. Vaughan Thomas P. Arvas Ted W. Carter Barbara Rumpel Phillip B. Journey Steven C. Schreiner Todd J. Rathner Richard Figueroa J. Kenneth Blackwell Carl Rowan, Jr. Curtis S. Jenkins Herbert A. Lanford, Jr. Allan D. Cors Clel Baudler Robert E. Mansell Patricia A. Clark Mark Keith Robinson ELECTED TO TWO-YEAR TERMS ENDING IN 2022 Paul D. Babaz Todd R. Ellis Dave Butz Ronald L. Schmeits ELECTED FOR ONE-YEAR TERMS ENDING IN 2021: Niger Innis Anthony P. Colandro NOT ELECTED: R. B. Rocky Marshall, Jr. Robert J. Wos John L. Cushman James L. Wallace Craig Swartz Kevin P. Hogan Frank C. Tait 3. Gangsters of Capitalism "Rigging the Election" In the episode, NRA instructor and member Dezarae Payne describes how her husband, Paul Payne, from whom she is separated, has since the late 1990s worked secretly to tilt board elections in favor of LaPierre. Paul Payne has been an NRA employee, administrator of the NRA Members’ Councils of California, a state affiliate, and a liaison to LaPierre. Dezarae Payne told the podcast that every year LaPierre’s office gives Paul Payne the names of NRA board candidates considered allies of the longtime boss of the gun group. Payne then works through the council to lobby NRA members in California to vote for those candidates. Because such a small percentage of members take part in the annual mail ballot election for board seats, Dezarea Payne said, her husband’s electioneering has routinely been critical to victory. Michael Schwartz, a gun rights advocate from San Diego who used to belong to the members’ councils, confirmed Dezarea Payne’s account. “The attitude from Paul Payne was very strange,” Schwartz said in regard to an NRA convention trip he made at Payne’s urging. “He was treating it like it was some kind of covert military op, which was beyond ridiculous. He had us staying at a hotel that was away from the convention center. We were told not to talk to any NRA employees or any NRA board members. We were told not to tell anybody why we were there.” Approximately $5.5M was spent on him, according to our napkin math. H. Paul Payne’s LinkedIn A google search revealed that Aaron F. Park sure didn’t like him here and here.
41 minutes | Jun 15, 2020
Ep. 21 - Meeting of the Members Rescheduled
The NRA has now rescheduled the previously cancelled Meeting of the Members to September 5th, 2020 in Springfield, Missouri. Please join us there in an effort to make our NRA better! https://www.guns.com/news/2020/06/11/nra-2020-annual-members-meeting-rescheduled-for-september The Trace (I know) reported that according to court documents Wayne LaPierre said, "...numerous times that Mr. Brewer was the only person that was going to keep him out of jail.” Pressed on why jail was a worry, Montgomery swore that LaPierre told “everyone in the room that, ‘you don’t know what you don’t know.’” https://www.thetrace.org/rounds/nra-put-faith-in-bill-brewers-new-york-connections-according-to-court-filing/ If you aren't up to speed on what has been happening in the NRA, Gangster Capitalism just finished their second season which covered the NRA. Highly recommend you listen to it, if you haven't. https://shows.cadence13.com/podcast/gangster-capitalism
32 minutes | Feb 10, 2020
Ep. 20 NY DFS charges, Paul Babaz, Duane Liptak's trending hashtag and more
New York Charges the NRA with Violating insurance laws, deceiving members - https://onlygunsandmoney.com/2020/02/05/ny-department-of-financial-services-files-charges-against-nra.html Lockton was fined $7 million by the New York regulator in May 2018 over its involvement with Carry Guard. The Department of Financial Services is seeking up to a $500 penalty for each of the 28,000 policies issued to New York residents. 500 x 28000 = $14,000,000. Annual Memberships at $45/14,000,000 = 311,111.1. April 6th, 2020 hearing in Manhattan. Brewer said, “Today’s announcement is about politics, not protecting consumers,” William Brewer, a lawyer for the NRA, said in a statement. “The NRA acted appropriately at all times.” NRA BoD Candidate "Phil" commenting on ammoland article. Paul Babaz fired from his job on December 18th, 2019. Gun-Grabbing Memes for the Tacticool Scene starts #ReplaceWayneWithDuane 2/10/20 After show correction/addition: FINRA's Broker-Check list Babaz's termination as a voluntary resignation.
30 minutes | Feb 3, 2020
Ep. 19 - BoD Candidate Corrections, Josh Powell and more
Josh Powell "on leave". Guide to the Candidates. Revisions: Revision 3 Notes Jeffrey W. Hague has withdrawn his name, as the February issue of American Rifleman indicates. Candidates page has updated to 38 candidates and 84% of those 38 being elected to the NRA BoD. * Patrica Clark - at one point had been the Chair of the Nominating Committee. She was not serving on the Committee when she was nominated by the Nominating Committee for the 2020 by that committee last year. ** Discrepancy in the February American Rifleman pg.72, “two people were nominated by petition.” Ted Carter, John Cushman and Frank Tait all ran by petition of the members for the 2020 election ballot. Neither John Cushman nor Frank Tait received nomination via Nominating Committee. They are on the ballot by petition of the members only. Ted Carter (not John Cushman as erroneously mentioned on the Ep. 18 podcast) received nominations from both. Added Ammoland’s 2020 Linda Walker post. Corrected two broken links and miscellaneous typos. Ted W. Carter informs us that he was elected to the BoD in 2011, not 1999. Rev 3.1 Notes Philip Journey informs us that was is a prior NRA director from ’95-’98 via a comment on ammoland. Has not responded to inquiries. Age is unknown, but a google search suggests he is 71. Added a 2016 speech found on YouTube. Corrected Candidates page. 31 of the 38, 82%, on the ballot have been on the NRA BoD before.
144 minutes | Jan 28, 2020
Ep. 18 - The NRA BoD Candidates, 2020
-John Cushman was successful in getting onto the Ballot by Petition only. It was Mr. Carter who ran by petition but was also put on the ballot by the nominating committee. Only John Cushman and Frank Tait are on the ballot solely by petition of the members. -Patricia Clark is a former Chair of the Nominating Committee, she was not serving on the Committee when she was put on the ballot by that committee last year. It is currently not clear who the Char of the Nominating Committee is. -Jeffrey W. Hague has withdrawn his name, as the February issue of American Rifleman indicates. Candidates page has updated to 38 candidates and 84% of those 38 being elected to the NRA BoD. -Ted W. Carter informs us that he was elected to the BoD in 2011, not 1999.
58 minutes | Jan 20, 2020
Ep. 17 with Ron Carter, Anthony Garcia, and Rob Picus
Discussing the NRA BoD Winter meeting and more!
46 minutes | Jan 7, 2020
Preparing for the NRA BoD Meeting
The NRA BoD Winter meeting is this week, Saturday January 11th, 2020 with committee meetings starting on Tuesday. We need the NRA to be overhauled and we need our Directors to do it!!! Please join us in imploring the NRA directors to hold the NRA leadership accountable.
68 minutes | Dec 23, 2019
Ep. 15 w/ Jamison Nethery, Chris Gillespie and Ron Carter
Two special guests discuss Second Amendment culture, the NRA and more!
60 minutes | Dec 22, 2019
Ep. 14 w/ Anthony Garcia, Rob Pincus and Ron Carter
NRA’s Financial Challenges December 17th - Fox Business News - “NRA spends on foreign fundraising amid financial challenges.” December 16th - Open Secrets.org - “Cash-strapped NRA discloses spending on foreign fundraising for first time” “Member dues fell to their lowest level in five years in 2017, as reported by The New York Times, a year in which it lost $55 million in income. The Washington Post reported that the group had a $10.8 million shortfall in 2018 as well.” - Fox Business News “NRA drains charities, pays for PAC - For the NRA, charity begins at home. The NRA, which is set up as 501(c)(4) social welfare nonprofit, rakes in money from its charitable affiliates while footing bills for its PAC with no sign of reimbursement. Although affiliated charities reimburse the NRA millions of dollars for various expenses, federal campaign finance records for the NRA’s Political Victory Committee show no sign of reimbursements to the NRA.” - Open Secrets “NRA ‘School Safety Initiative’ Was Front to Increase Fundraising” “In an amended counterclaim filed in Texas federal court in November, the NRA’s former ad agency—Ackerman McQueen—says that the gun lobby used School Shield as a “shell” program that it did not intend to meaningfully execute.” - Via Daily Beast on December 5th NRATV Wanted to Become a 24/7 Newsroom Using NRA Funds: Ex-Host ex-host Grant Stinchfield claimed in an affidavit filed last week that now-defunct NRATV streaming platform once had aspirations to be a full-fledged news operation. -The Daily Beast “In the final 18 months, AMc representatives progressively discovered that LaPierre and his executive team, with the board’s oversight and approval, were marketing false products and narratives to NRA members, covering up sexual harassment, attempting to intimidate public officials, disrupting internal investigations about Russia, spending member money for personal benefit and more,” the ad firm further railed against NRA in a statement last month. Newsweek - The Oklahoma-based firm, Ackerman McQueen, told Newsweek Tuesday that it would counter allegations from Grant Stinchfield, the former host of a self-titled NRATV program, with its own "legal action" against him. Ackerman claims that Stinchfield, who served as host from 2016 until July, provided "inaccurate information under oath" in an affidavit that was filed earlier this month in the NRA's federal lawsuit against the firm. New York attorney general intensifies investigation into the NRA “The New York attorney general's office is intensifying its investigation into the National Rifle Association, recently issuing a new, wide-ranging subpoena to the gun rights organization that offers hints at where the high-profile probe is moving, a person familiar with the document told NBC News.” - Via NBC News on December 11th Outdoor Wire - “The questions seem to frame a simple theme: despite claims otherwise, the 76-member Board -with a few exceptions (more on that in a second)- was both ignorant and powerless. And those few exceptions followed - and continue to follow - the marching orders issued by Wayne LaPierre.” Outdoor Wire - “As many as 90 current and former Board members have apparently been told they face possible indictments in New York. Potential charges range from breach of fiduciary duty to tax fraud.” Wayne LaPierre’s NYTimes Interview December 18th - NYTimes “Inside Wayne LaPierre’s Battle for the N.R.A. - How an internal power struggle, a New York State investigation and accusations of fraud and betrayal on all sides have left the longtime leader of the gun-rights organization reeling.” Wayne LaPierre, “If I lose every friend,” he said, “I’m prepared to do it.” “My attitude was, stay away from her,” LaPierre said, but he did not aggressively intervene, even as Butina coordinated a 2015 N.R.A. trip to Moscow. “I saw this itinerary that somebody had,” LaPierre recalled. “It’s got all of these meetings with this guy — what are they called? — oligarch so-and-so, and oligarch so-and-so, and deputy so-and-so. And I’m like: ‘You guys are all nuts. Are you crazy?’ ” But the trip, in which several donors and board members, including a former and a future N.R.A. president, met with senior aides to Vladimir Putin, went forward nonetheless. TTAG - “Noteworthy also is Hakim’s treatment of attorney Brewer. He doesn’t leave out the concerns about Brewer’s ethics or the astronomical amounts he’s billing the NRA, but Brewer is depicted as a crusading defender of civil rights, willing to cross ideological lines to defend constitutional freedoms.” TTAG - “But why would the Times agree to a relatively benign portrayal of someone the paper and its readers clearly revile? In Dell’Aquila’s view, it’s better for those who hate the NRA and the causes it supports to keep LaPierre right where he is.”
71 minutes | Dec 9, 2019
Ep. 13 w/ Derek LaBlanc from Kids SAFE Foundation
Welcome to Episode 13 of the Save the Second Podcast. Today is Sunday, December 8th, 2019! 17 Days before Christmas! Special guest: Derek LeBlanc - Kids S.A.F.E. Foundation - https://kidssafefoundation.org
67 minutes | Nov 26, 2019
Episode 12 - with Andy Lander and Ron Carter.
Thanksgiving week! Challenge to find the NRA President holding a firearm. NRA training. Hunting. Norway.
59 minutes | Nov 18, 2019
Episode 11 - With Genevieve Jones of Holdmyguns.org, Rob Pincus and Ron Carter
Welcome to Episode 11 of the Save the Second Podcast. Today is Sunday, November 17th, 2019! In this episode we’ll discuss: Holdmyguns.org with Special Guest Genevieve Jones, Wanye LaPierre’s outrageous 2018 paycheck, How you can join us in reforming the NRA, And more! Joining us today is Rob Pincus We have a special guest today, Hold My Guns VP Geneivive Jones! My name is Ron Carter Welcome. The story about Wayne LaPierre’s massive 2018 paycheck broke on Friday evening. It was reported by the Washington Post, NY Times, Wall Street Journal, 57% increase to $2.15 million by WP 55% increase to $2.20 million by WSJ According to a 2016 Charity Navigator study, the average nonprofit CEO makes a little more than $123,362 a year. That is only 5% of WLP’s 2018 paycheck reported by the WSJ. If you exclude federally funded nonprofits and medical (hospitals) nonprofits, I cannot find a nonprofit CEO that is paid higher than WLP. https://onlygunsandmoney.com/2019/11/16/his-contributions-to-the-nra-have-been-transformative.html NRA paid Brewer $13.8 Million, that had been claimed to be much more by Oliver North.
58 minutes | Nov 11, 2019
Episode 10 - With Anthony Garcia and Ron Carter
Welcome to Episode 10 of the Save the Second Podcast. Today is Sunday, November 10rd, 2019 - Happy Birthday to the United States Marine Corps! In this episode we’ll discuss: Monday’s WSJ Article about LaPierre’s Lavish Travel… NRA drops lawsuit against SF Board Oversight Subcommittees Refer NRA Leadership’s Alleged Financial Fraud for Investigation BoD election candidates 2020. Main Subject Monday’s WSJ Article about Lavish Travel “Inside the NRA, accountants were instructed to pay travel bills from her company without the usual detailed supporting documentation, which was held in a private file in the NRA’s treasurer’s office, said people familiar with the matter. The bills totaled about $2 million in one recent year, according to one of these people.” “Ms. Stanford was paid in two ways by the NRA. She operates her business from her Woodland Hills, Calif., home, using a company called Inventive Incentives and Insurance Services Inc., or II & IS, which billed the gun-rights group directly.” “At the same time she was providing services to the NRA, Ms. Stanford was involved in a side business that allegedly defrauded small-business owners out of money, according to a 2009 lawsuit by the Texas attorney general.” “Elizabeth Kingsley, an attorney in Washington, D.C., who advises nonprofits, questioned the NRA’s arrangement with Ms. Stanford. “If I’m on a board spending substantial amounts of money on private jet travel for our CEO because of security concerns, yet we’re working with alleged fraudsters, it doesn’t add up,” she said.” “Mr. Stanford himself is a felon. He pleaded guilty in 1990 to federal charges of participating in an oil-well investment fraud and served a brief time in prison, records show. He didn’t respond to calls seeking comment.” NRA drops lawsuit against SF Board Why did that take a month of billable hours? SF conceded on Oct 1st. Who is calling the shots? Brewer? Different law firm, “Instead they used Las Vegas based Garman Turner Gordon as their attorney on the ground and Brewer, Attorneys and Counselors, as “of counsel”.” Both sides are now claiming victory in the lawsuit. Oversight Subcommittees Refer NRA Leadership’s Alleged Financial Fraud for Investigation - Oct16 According to public reports and the NRA’s tax filings, 18 of the 76 members of the board—nearly a quarter—received payments during the past three years from the 501(c)(4) that they oversee. These reported payments include the following: $610,000 to board member and former president Marion Hammer for consulting and lobbying services; $255,000 to board member Lance Olson for fundraising and outreach; $400,000 to board member Dave Butz for firearms training and outreach; $28,750 to board member Bart Skelton for contributing to NRA publications; $50,000 and $23,500 to companies affiliated with board member Ted Nugent and former board member Craig Morgan, respectively, for musical performances; and $3.1 million in sales made to the NRA Foundation by Crow Shooting Supply, formerly led by former board member and former president Pete Brownell. NRA’s back yard goes fully anti-gun NRA BoD Candidates 2020 Who is on the ballot? 26 of 39 are currently on the BoD. - 66% 4 of the 13 not currently on the BoD have been before! 2 candidates running by petition of the members soley. 37 of 39 by nominating committee One candidate running by petition not having served previously on the Bod - Frank Tait 3 Directors w/Terms expiring on the BoD and not on the ballot: Lance Olson, Heidi Washington and Melanie Pepper. 33% would be ineligible if our Term Limit Bylaw Amendment Proposal by petition is ratified. https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2019/11/10/us/ap-us-nra-big-donors.html
67 minutes | Nov 4, 2019
Episode 9 - With Anthony Garcia and Ron Carter
A Well Regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. For us at Save the Second; loving, honoring, enjoying and personally upholding the Second Amendment is who we are. Reforming the NRA is what we do. Second Amendment supporters need the NRA to be at its best. Right now, not next week. Not next year, not in 2021. Now, obviously, it is far from at its best. The NRA is in a discouraging and horrifying state, currently. The reforms that need to happen will not happen without your help. You must be involved. You must be engaged! In order for the NRA to be strong, relevant, effective and accountable, we must reform the NRA leadership and bylaws, reduce the amount of absurd wasteful expenditures, and refocus the NRA on the primary task of providing firearms training and education and protecting the Second Amendment. It is not what the Second Amendment can do for you, it is what you can do for the Second Amendment. Similarly, it is not what the NRA can do for you, it is what you can do for your NRA. Welcome to Episode 9 of the Save the Second Podcast. Today is Sunday, November 3rd, 2019. In this episode we’ll discuss: Ackerman McQueen Counter Claim Another NRA director resigns Yesterday’s 2A Rally in DC And how you can be involved
46 minutes | Oct 28, 2019
Episode 8 - With Ron Carter
In this episode: The 76in76 round two. Term Limit Bylaw Amendment Petitions NRA Director and NYSPRA President Tom King
70 minutes | Oct 21, 2019
Episode 7 - The Why, How and When
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