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Podcasts – Racial Heresy
76 minutes | 22 days ago
Robin DiAngelo & Robert P. Jones: White Fragility & Why America has been White Too Long
We’ve been White Too Long for way too long. Our white church, our white faith, and our white identities are way too Fragile. What will it take to change the church? Robin DiAngelo, PhD, returns and joins Robert P. Jones, PhD, and the Racial Heresy Team to explore what it will take to move the needle and get white Christians to work against systemic racism in our institutions. Will We Listen? “White Fragility” and “White Too Long” have captured the imaginations of white Christians across denominations and geography – and still we have no stamina for the work of undoing the white supremacy that undergirds our faith! When will we listen? How can we face the reality of our own internalized white superiority and change the church? Will We Prioritize? White supremacy is pervasive. White fragility compels us to compartmentalize. We are working on race, though, right? We have lots of things we have to do but we also do racial justice work, so that’s good enough? But it’s not. What will it take for the white church to see and act on racial justice and ending white supremacy as the fundamental issue which influences everything? The Dilemma of White Self Interest We have been unwilling to change in order to save Black life. We’ve been unwilling to change for the sake of justice. We have been unwilling to change in obedience to our Lord, Jesus Christ, and his commands of love. What will it take, then, to move us to repent? White self-interest is one strategy for advancing the work of racial justice but can it be trusted? Is it the right path? What alternative do we have to change the church? Gonna Have to Sit with It for Awhile We want to act. We want to do. We want to make it better but we can’t be effective advocates for change until we encounter the depths of our reality. We are fragile people who have used our power to create the strongest possible bulwark of systemic injustice. Our faith perpetuates the very sin we decry. We are not only complicit in violence, trauma, and death, the structures of our lives depend on it. We have to sit with that. Watch, listen, and sit with us as we explore all of this and more… (some audio & video is broken but the content is worth it!) Working toward Beloved Community. There is so much more to say and much more to discuss – come to the Racial Heresy group to be a part of the conversation. If you’re not already a member of our Racial Heresy Facebook group, click the banner below. The post Robin DiAngelo & Robert P. Jones: White Fragility & Why America has been White Too Long appeared first on Racial Heresy.
67 minutes | 2 months ago
White Too Long: De-White Christianizing America
Racial Heresy engages with Dr. Robert P. Jones, author of “White Too Long: The Legacy of White Supremacy in American Christianity,” to explore beyond the damning statistics to the future of our faith, trying to find a way to extricate white supremacy from our faith. Beyond Hope White Christian America can, to paraphrase Jones, pass onto our children either the faith of our fathers or a salvific hope for the future but not both. Can white faith be saved? Can white people be saved? Perhaps not in the white church or by white faith. We have been white too long. White supremacy is supported, maintained, and sustained by mainline Christian churches across the political, denomination, geographic, and racial spectrum. If you are white and Christian you are nearly twice as likely to hold racist views than non-Christian white Americans – TWICE as likely! How, Then, Can We be Saved? We had Moses and the prophets and we haven’t listened. We had MLK and Malcolm X and we haven’t listened. We had Ida B. Wells and Billie Holiday and we haven’t listened. Now we have quantitative sociological research to prove what generations of BIPOC have been saying since the church landed on this rock – white supremacy is our religion. Now, will we listen? White Self-Interest or Prioritizing Black Life? White people must accept that we are not in right relationship with God. We can’t be. We can’t love God whom we cannot see while hating our siblings, sisters, and brothers whom we can see. If we won’t stop our violence for the sake of Black Life, will we finally submit in humility to the Justice of Jesus Christ for the sake of our own souls? Watch and find out. Working toward Beloved Community. There is so much more to say and much more to discuss – come to the Racial Heresy group to be a part of the conversation. If you’re not already a member of our Racial Heresy Facebook group, click the banner below. The post White Too Long: De-White Christianizing America appeared first on Racial Heresy.
25 minutes | 3 months ago
What is Our Role in the Midst of a Coup?
We recorded this episode on the MORNING of Jan 6th, 2021, before an armed mob of angry white folks stormed the United States Capital. So now what? Repentance & Reclaiming our Authority Does the white Church have a role in these violent times beyond comforting white people? Can the white Church exercise any authority when we’ve remained unrepentant, continuing to prop-up the white supremacy status quo? You tell us. Working toward Beloved Community. There is so much more to say and much more to discuss – come to the Racial Heresy group to be a part of the conversation. If you’re not already a member of our Racial Heresy Facebook group, click the banner below. The post What is Our Role in the Midst of a Coup? appeared first on Racial Heresy.
34 minutes | 4 months ago
White Supremacy Lessons & Carols
Are you dreaming of a White Christmas? Just like the ones you used to know? The ones that made America Great? Neither are we. Working toward Beloved Community. There is so much more to say and much more to discuss – come to the Racial Heresy group to be a part of the conversation. If you’re not already a member of our Racial Heresy Facebook group, click the banner below. The post White Supremacy Lessons & Carols appeared first on Racial Heresy.
63 minutes | 4 months ago
Gifts Across the Color Line to Make the Word Flesh in Our Midsts
I never meant to do this episode, so I don’t have a prepared post or a well-worded blurb. Yes, the Spirt spoke (mostly to Fr. Jabriel and Pr. Jimmie), so I tried to catch up. I hope you’ll do better than me and listen. It’s rare we let our white selves be in places where we are on the same footing as our Black and Brown siblings, sisters, and brothers. It’s even more rare to let our white selves be in places where we are the minority, subject to Black authority, and beholden to Black hospitality and welcome. Yet that is where I found myself this morning, invited to be part of the Blacks with Power podcast. I was invited to talk live with Pastor Jimmie and Father Jabriel, to see what laughter and irreverent discussion about race and dynamics we could share across the color. It was a gift. They are a gift. And we share that gift with you now! Merry Christmas. Working toward Beloved Community. There is so much more to say and much more to discuss – come to the Racial Heresy group to be a part of the conversation. If you’re not already a member of our Racial Heresy Facebook group, click the banner below. (portions of this post were, in the best traditions of whiteness, “borrowed” from a Black man who wrote them first and better: https://blackswithpower.com/gifts-across-the-color-line-to-make-the-word-flesh-in-our-midsts/ ) The post Gifts Across the Color Line to Make the Word Flesh in Our Midsts appeared first on Racial Heresy.
21 minutes | 4 months ago
The Incarnation of Advocacy for Black Identity.
Black identity is under attack, once again, in the Georgia runoff. White allies are tired from the “hard work” of getting Trump out of office. We’re ready to return to normal. Will the white church find the courage to advocate for the right of Black leaders like the Rev. Raphael Warnock to retain their faith? Or will we join the calls to white wash the prophetic voice of the Black Church? We continue to deny the full expression of humanity made in the image of God when we refuse to accept identity, call, and vocation in the life of Black women and men. We deny God’s authority to incarnate prophetic witness in anything other than a white body, white culture, or white-ness. How can we claim to believe the very incarnation of Jesus – a life of prophetic witness lived in a brown body? Advent is a time to prepare for Incarnation. More than 2,000 years ago, Incarnation came in the most unlikely of people, in the most unlikely of places – an unwed teenage mother. Where will the incarnation of white advocacy for Black identity come from today? Working toward Beloved Community. There is so much more to say and much more to discuss – come to the Racial Heresy group to be a part of the conversation. If you’re not already a member of our Racial Heresy Facebook group, click the banner below. The post The Incarnation of Advocacy for Black Identity. appeared first on Racial Heresy.
38 minutes | 4 months ago
What To Do With Heresy? We Were Warned, Now What?
St. Paul admonishes us to be on our guard and warns us about savage wolves that will come to pull away the faithful. The book of Jude (yup, it’s in the Bible, keep looking…) warns us of the dangers of false teachers, but what do we do with heresy? Are we listening? Really, “heresy”? Hasn’t the white church surrendered ANY and ALL legitimacy around heresy? When we weaponized that word to justify murder, patriarchy, anti-semitism, genocide, and more, we lost our authority to engage with heresy. We need to just put the “heresy” label down and step back a few paces. But we don’t. We don’t step back and get some distance or perspective on our actions, our history, our choices. We don’t see our wrongs and so don’t see our need for repentance. Perhaps we’ll try reconciliation, but repentance would mean changing… We’ve manipulated theology to justify heinous violence. We might even admit we erred or strayed and that we need to understand our faith a little bit better. Even then, we won’t repent of our heretical position, reexamine our theology, doctrine, and discipline. We won’t undo the heresy of white supremacy because we would have to surrender our power to do it. Power, Repentance, and Heresy Repentance means changing our power structures. Repentance means less money, privilege, and influence. We’d rather hold onto our status and control than right the deep wrongs of our systems. The church moved from supporting slavery to segregated balconies, from segregated balconies to hiring black staff just not clergy, from hiring clergy but not listening to their guidance nor following their leadership. We might change our behavior but we don’t undo the heresy. We just find a new way to express it. Is our faith really all and only about grace? Does God really not care about our repentance? In the face of our continuing monopoly of power and resources, of our refusal to repent, of our unwillingness to undo the foundations of white supremacy that sustain us, what do you do with heresy? Working toward Beloved Community. There is so much more to say and much more to discuss – come to the Racial Heresy group to be a part of the conversation. If you’re not already a member of our Racial Heresy Facebook group, click the banner below. The post What To Do With Heresy? We Were Warned, Now What? appeared first on Racial Heresy.
39 minutes | 5 months ago
Election 2020 – Where is God? Where are YOU?
On the morning of November 4th, 2020, Racial Heresy went LIVE! For the first time ever, events were so pressing, the pressure so great, and the Spirit was moving so that we finally took to Facebook Live to process the results of the election (such as they were in that moment). Listen as we explore lament, courage, history, lethargy, guilt, shame, faith, hope, and Christ as part of our reactions to the presidential election as of 11:00am, 2020. Working toward Beloved Community. There is so much more to say and much more to discuss – come to the Racial Heresy group to be a part of the conversation. If you’re not already a member of our Racial Heresy Facebook group, click the banner below. The post Election 2020 – Where is God? Where are YOU? appeared first on Racial Heresy.
7 minutes | 6 months ago
When Will We Start Listening?
When will we start listening to God and when will we start listening to Black experience? If white people are serious about reconciliation, then we should one day find ourselves reconciling with white supremacists. If white people really listen to Black leaders, thinkers, friends, family members, clergy, organizers, writers, poets, musicians, theologians, historians, authors, and speakers, then our work will take us beyond ourselves and into the lives of others. But I Have Been Listening… Maybe you’ve been listening already. Maybe you’ve listened and read and listened some more. I have. I’ve listened to all manner of incredible preachers, professors, and mentors but if you looked at my life could you really tell? What impact have I allowed them to have? If I haven’t changed, have I really been listening? How Can We Listen When We Haven’t Done Our Work? We say we want Black leadership in the Church. We say we want to appoint and elect Black clergy and lay leaders to our boards. We say we want to have “diversity” that represents all of our church in all that we do. But are we willing to work for it? Are we willing to do the work that would make us safe to work with? Will we do the work that can move us beyond tokenism and trophies? White Comfort & “Safe” Black Leaders Or will we reenact what centuries of systematized power has taught us and gravitate to those we judge to be safe? Just like we do with God. What to Do When We Don’t Repent? How long do we expect someone to stay in an abusive relationship? We never require someone to stay with a partner or parent or family member who harms them. When will we start listening to Black experience and believing Black people? How long will we expect Black people to stay in relationship with White America as we continue to do violence and show no sign of repentance? If We are Listening, Why are White Christians Still Here? It’s a better question, in many ways, than “why are Black people still here?” Why are we still here? What is keeping us at the communion table with our siblings, sisters, and brothers whom we continue to hurt? What do we believe about God that lets us continue to approach the Altar of the Lord as if our siblings have nothing against us? How can we behave as if we’re doing the best we can – when we’re not. When will we start listening to God and to our neighbors? Working toward Beloved Community. There is so much more to say and much more to discuss – come to the Racial Heresy group to be a part of the conversation. If you’re not already a member of our Racial Heresy Facebook group, click the banner below. The post When Will We Start Listening? appeared first on Racial Heresy.
37 minutes | 7 months ago
Murderous Intent – Jacob & Esau for 2020
How should a person or a people respond when their sisters and brothers are trying to kill them? How can the church watch the murderous intent of white supremacy and our society continue everyday shielded by the law? Is separation, isolation, excommunication our only option? Jacob & Esau Jacob challenges Esau’s identity. Jacob exposes Esau’s flaws. Jacob shows Esau and the rest of the family how little the birthright means to Esau. So Esau wants revenge and Jacob is left with the choice to flee and live or stay and face the possibility of death at the hands of a powerful enemy-family. Jacob and Esau echo through the fears of 2020. White America has Sold Our Birthright Practical Theology teaches us that we can look at the actions of a people to see what that people actually believes. Looking beyond the stories we tell ourselves and the words we’ve written, what witness do we give by our actions toward our BIPOC siblings, sisters, and brothers? Do we believe in democracy? Do we believe in justice? Do we believe in Love? Do we believe in anything other than what works best for us; what gets me mine; what helps us feel secure? Do we believe in a God or do we believe in us? Esau Loses his Murderous Intent & Finds Beloved Community Somehow Esau’s heart changed. Somehow he surrendered his murderous intent. Somewhere along the way, he discovered that life was more than material gain. Was it his total separation from his brother? What happened to Esau? What changed his heart? I wish I knew. We must continue to work for change – for our own hearts and in the lives of all of God’s children. And we must continue to live in this world as we do. So we must embrace a level of accountability we’ve never seen before. We must listen to Black rage. We must overcome white fragility. We must accept the challenge to the identity we’ve built for ourselves. We must find and cherish the glimpses of Beloved Community we already have, nurture and care for them that they might take root and change the world. Esau must be changed. Jacob must find a home. Working toward Beloved Community. There is so much more to say and much more to discuss – come to the Racial Heresy group to be a part of the conversation. If you’re not already a member of our Racial Heresy Facebook group, click the banner below. The post Murderous Intent – Jacob & Esau for 2020 appeared first on Racial Heresy.
51 minutes | 3 years ago
Allies or Frenemies: The Twisted Power Cravings of White Liberals
White Liberals are often assumed to be allies to the struggle for equal rights and justice. They are supposed to be the friends of People of Color…the only ones we can trust. But does that position ever become merely a badge of honor? And what are the signs that should let everyone know that a White Liberal might not be your ally? I – the Black guy – Fr. Jabriel, encountered something intellectually interesting and practically disconcerting… Intellectually interesting because I’m often amazed at how pride works. It truly is the mother of all vices. And in the Western dynamic, pride is incredibly hard to escape. That becomes even more confounded by race. And when White liberals are confronted by race…even if especially if #AccidentalRacism. (OMG That song was ridiculously lame and shortsighted…) Anyway… In this work of racial reconciliation, no one should expect anyone to get everything totally right, 100% of the time. But we should be able to expect humility… But White Power prevents White Liberals from being humble, when Black people are involved …Or other People of Color, I’m sure… White Power prevents White Liberals from being humbleTweet This And that reality leads some White liberals to do incredibly offensive things, like what we discuss in this episode. I call it Nigger-Gate… Check out our discussion and let me know what you think? How should this issue have been handled? How should it be handled? Do you think it will ultimately be handled in a way that brings about true healing…why or why not? We’ll take up that discussion in our Facebook Group… If you aren’t a member, click the banner below to complete the application If you want to test your fragility to see if you can read some of the systemic moves of Western Christianity to institutionalize racism & supremacy, read this. Resources for this Episode: Ta-Nehisi Coates has an incredibly clear explanation for why white people shouldn’t use the n-word An Almost-Sermon on Starbucks, sanctuaries, conference room tables The post Allies or Frenemies: The Twisted Power Cravings of White Liberals appeared first on Racial Heresy.
42 minutes | 3 years ago
War, Patriotism and Christian Theology in Black And White
The war machine is returning to public view… You know, it never went away. It just went virtual…drone strikes from remote locations right here in America. But with our war-footing on the rise, we ought to reconsider our positions. We like to live in grey area on war… We want to have our patriotism and our Christianity…our love of Country and our love of God. But can we hold the two in tension without abandoning one or the other? It’s kinda profound what we uncover as we explore that question in black an white… Or with Black and White lens… War and Patriotism Shaped by Racial Experience I mean…Fr. Cayce was a Marine! IS a Marine… …I know brother: “once a Marine, always a Marine!” And despite the legacy of military service in my family, I did not…would not…could not serve. Do you care enough to understand why? And to consider how that “why” shapes my perspective? How do we Reconcile Patriotism and Faith? We want to know your perspective on the two. What do you do with the tension? And how do you keep your Christian identity from being corrupted by your American identity? These are deep questions – if you let them be – so, come into the group to discuss! If you’re not a member of our Facebook group, click the banner below The post War, Patriotism and Christian Theology in Black And White appeared first on Racial Heresy.
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