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In this episode of Post-Growth Australia, we interview James Regulinski, co-founder of Carbon Collective (https://www.carboncollective.co/), a company providing low-fee, diversified investment portfolios built for solving climate change. Inspired by the work of Project Drawdown, James and his business partner Zach Stein tackle climate change by encouraging investors to support environmentally friendly enterprises. For a podcast on Degrowth with a bias toward the anti-capitalist end of the spectrum, James is a very different kind of guest on PGAP and one who inspired much pithy discussion. For most of us in the post-growth movement, there can often be some tension around whether to ‘tap in’ and to use financial leverage to encourage improvements in the current system (e.g. Green investment, divestment, supporting the ‘green new deal’ etc.) Or, whether to ‘tap out’ or fight the system altogether. Hats off to James to going down the rabbit hole with me here, where we conclude that a mix of both approaches is the best way forward. That is, any change we do needs to have a transition to a Degrowth society as the modus operandi. On the other side of the coin, it is currently very difficult, if not impossible, to tap completely out of today’s growth based economic paradigm. To find out more about Carbon Collective, visit their website here (https://www.carboncollective.co/). This includes a fantastic introductory video from James. On PGAP, we’ve had a few discussions around the challenges of tapping out of the growth based system. In our interview with Dr. Alex Baumann (currently our top performing episode (https://pgap.fireside.fm/degrowthousing)), he discusses why the private housing market provides a financial barrier to opting out of the matrix. We’ve also had a few guests on who have made a successful change to off grid living (tapping out if you will). Mike Stasse (https://pgap.fireside.fm/mikestasse)from Tasmania is one great example. Artist as Family (https://pgap.fireside.fm/artistasfamily)(based near Daylesford Victoria) discuss how they made the change on a shoestring budget. Please share this and other episodes of PGAP with your friends, family and networks. Rate and review us on Apple Podcast. Any feedback or ideas for future episodes? Contact us here. All views, opinions and legacies of our guests are exclusive theirs and do not necessarily reflect those of PGAP. Special Guest: James Regulinski.

On November 15 2022 the global population hit 8 billion. Despite the fact that half of all the world’s pregnancies are unplanned, any talk of global approach to family planning and reproductive health care in the global south remains controversial. So often, this is debated across the global north without including stakeholders who live in the global south and work with the issues first hand. PGAP aims to make amends for this oversight by inviting Isabella Cortes Lara to the podcast, Vice President of ‘Women for Conservation (https://womenforconservation.org/)’, who work alongside rural communities in Colombia and Nepal. An incredible artist and storyteller, Isabella shares with PGAP how W4C started, the decision to focus on family planning and reproductive healthcare as a solution to the environmental and reproductive issues affecting rural Colombia, and how her artistic and spiritual approach to life intersect and inform her activism. You can find out more about Women for Conversation here (https://womenforconservation.org/). Please consider supporting their great work, by spreading the word or by making a donation. You can also read more W4C at the Sustainable Population Australia Newsletter here (https://population.org.au/newsletters/spa-newsletter-149-november-2022/). The full interview can be read at the SPA website here (https://population.org.au/spa-interviews-women-for-conservation/). On this episode, we played the track ‘Aguita de Paramo” that Isabella recorded under her artist name ‘Isavibe’. You can follow Isavibe’s music at her Spotify account here (https://open.spotify.com/artist/2mUdoTH9X3gJApwKEVGy3j). This interview with Women for Conversation is part of a wider dialogue on mythbusting when it comes to family planning and reproductive healthcare, especially for the global south. PGAP has been an active part in this debate. In season two we spoke with Florence Blondel (https://pgap.fireside.fm/smallfamilies), Ugandan born journalist, feminist and sustainable population advocate. In season one we spoke with CHASE Africa (https://pgap.fireside.fm/wpd) who work with communities in Kenya (a QandA with founder Robin Witt can also be read on the SPA website (https://population.org.au/spa-interviews-chase-africa/)). (Artwork from Isabella under the artist name 'Isavibe). Of course, this discussion is not just exclusive to the global south. In season two PGAP spoke with proud childfree women living in the USA and Australia (https://pgap.fireside.fm/smallfamilies). We spoke with Nandita Bajaj, (https://pgap.fireside.fm/wpb) executive director of Population Balance, whose organisation aim is to counter systemic pro-natalism. Last but certainly not least, we spoke with Prof. Anne Poelina (https://pgap.fireside.fm/martuwarra), Chair of the Martuwarra Fitzroy River Council and a Nyikina Warrwa Traditional Owner. She brings to the table Indigenous wisdom and insight into the degrowth and population sustainability debates. The Martuwarra-Fitzroy river region is currently under much environmental stress with flash flooding in the Kimberley. Our thoughts are with all communities who live in this beautiful part of the world, human and non-human. (Image courtesy of Isavibe). PGAP is made by the kind support of Sustainable Population Australia (https://population.org.au/)(SPA). No strangers to tackling controversial issues, PGAP would like to take the opportunity to thank SPA for allowing us to take on the broader controversial issues of post-growth and degrowth with autonomy, including guests who may share different or opposing views on population. This is a good opportunity to remind that all perspectives and legacies of PGAP guests and their respective organisations are their own and may not always reflect those of PGAP and SPA. During the interview, Isabella referred to the fantastic work of Kate Raeworth (of doughnut economics). A link to her Ted Talk can be watched here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rhcrbcg8HBw&t=548s). As always, we strongly encourage you to spread the post-growth message. Share this episode with your friends, family, colleagues and networks. Rate and review PGAP on Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099). Contact us (https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact) with your feedback, suggestions and guest recommendations. Want to find out more about your hosts? You can find out more about Mark Allen, Holistic Activism and Town Planning Rebellion here (https://holisticactivism.net/). You can find out more about Michael Bayliss at his website here (https://michaelbayliss.org/). Special Guest: Isabella Cortes Lara.

Rod Taylor is a multi-talented broadcaster, videographer based in Canberra. In addition to hosting the "Fuzzy Logic Science show (https://fuzzylogicon2xx.podbean.com/)", he is author of the 2020 book “10 Journeys on A Fragile Planet (https://tenjourneys.blogspot.com/2020/04/ten-journeys-on-fragile-planetcoming.html)”. This extraordinary book details the personal journeys of extraordinary environmentalists and game changers. This episode is dedicated to the memory of Dr. Haydn Washington. Haydn was a prolific and passionate writer and speaker on sustainability, degrowth, the need for population stabilisation and denialism against both climate and population realities. He wrote or edited many books. He was active in CASSE and the Ecological Economics community. The Australian Degrowth movement owes much to Haydn’s work. A tribute to Haydn can be found on Rod’s ‘Fuzzy Logic’ science show here (https://fuzzylogicon2xx.podbean.com/e/states-of-denial/). The link includes an interview that Rod did with Haydn at the 2013 Fenner Conference, organised by Sustainable Population Australia (https://population.org.au/). You can find out more about "10 Journeys on a Fragile Planet" here (https://tenjourneys.blogspot.com/2020/04/ten-journeys-on-fragile-planetcoming.html). Want to find out more about the Fuzzy Logic Science show? You can listen via Canberra’s radio 2XX (https://www.2xxfm.org.au/shows/fuzzy-logic/) or via the Fuzzy Logic Podcast (https://fuzzylogicon2xx.podbean.com/). As a prolific and energetic volunteer for Sustainable Population Australia, Rod worked with PGAP co-host Michael Bayliss with many of SPA’s video productions, including: “Talking Heads: Choosing to have children...or not (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_F_9amXCLw&t=562s)” and an interview with the Ambassador of Costa Rica, “Pura Vida Costa Rica with Ambassador Armando Vargas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhnN2KSa_Qo)”. Michael owes much to Rod’s impeccable talent for camera angles and lighting. Rod was also co-editor of "Sustainability and the New Economics (https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-030-78795-0)" (Springer, 2022) with Steve Williams. PGAP interviewed Steve (https://pgap.fireside.fm/stevewilliams) on a season 3 episode of PGAP. This volume is an invaluable addition to the post-growth economic movement. "The path to sustainable civilisation" co-written by Rod Taylor and Mark Disendorf is set to be published in mid 2023. With the tag line - 'civilization's broken, this is how we fix it" - we can't wait for the launch! Sustainable Population Australia has recently launched a new discussion paper, “How many Australians? The need for Earth-centric ethics (https://population.org.au/discussion-papers/how-many-australians-the-need-for-earth-centric-ethics/)” authored by Patron Dr. Paul Collins. Paul was also interviewed for a season 3 edition of PGAP here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/paulcollins). Find out more about co-host Mark Allen’s Holistic Activism movement here (https://holisticactivism.net/). Support PGAP! Share this episode and others with your friends, family and networks. Rate and review us on Apple Podcast (https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099). Got any feedback or a suggestion for a future episode? Contact us here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact). It has been an epic 2022 for PGAP and the hosts. Thank you for being with us through this journey and see you again in the new year. Special Guest: Rod Taylor.

For season 4 of Post-Growth Australia Podcast (PGAP), we will be highlighting some extraordinary work being done by extraordinary Western Australians, who are bucking the dominant narrative of exploitation on scale on an ecologically unique yet fragile part of the world. In this episode, we speak to Murray Gomm from Oranje Tractor (https://www.oranjetractor.com/), award winning organic, regenerative and carbon negative winery/small farm holding near Albany. Oranje Tractor certainly punches above its weight. It was the winner of the Gourmet Traveller Wine, Australia's Best Cellar Door Awards 2019. Oranje Tractor Farm was the winner of ACCI's Great Southern Business Awards for Environment and Sustainability in 2019 and was a Case Study for Circular Economy WA in 2022. It has been endorsed by Charles Massy (previous PGAP guest) and visited by then Prince Charles – now king (and not YET a PGAP guest). But how do you produce good quality wine, along with an impressive variety of fruits, nuts and vegetables, in a manner that improves soil integrity and sequesters more carbon than what is emitted? Murray Gomm shares what happens ‘behind the scenes’ of how they do it and why Oranje Tractor is capturing the interest and imagination of so many people. Murray also provides some insight into the wider regenerative movement and the agricultural zeitgeist that is slowly beginning to influence new ways of approaching farming in the Great Southern of Western Australia. For the introduction and outro of this episode, Michael is joined by co-host Mark Allen as they pick each other’s brain on topics such as: regenerative agriculture and permaculture; progress on the Asbestos campaign (as discussed in the last episode); and the result of SPA’s 8 billion competition and the commentary from the mainstream press for 8 billion day, which was reached on the 15th of November. Timestamp for the episode Intro (Michael Bayliss and Mark Allen): 0:00:00 – 0:06:37 Oranje Tractor interview with Murray Gomm: 0:06:38 - 0:58:24 Outro (Michael Bayliss and Mark Allen): 0:58:25 - End Liked this episode and the themes of regenerative agriculture? You will love our interviews with Charles Massy (https://pgap.fireside.fm/fenner), Shane Simonsen, (https://pgap.fireside.fm/zeroinput) Artist as Family (https://pgap.fireside.fm/artistasfamily) and David Holmgren (https://pgap.fireside.fm/holmgren). Like PGAP? Rate and review us on Apple Podcast (https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099) and share the podcast widely with your family friends and networks. Have a question for us? Got any suggestions for future discussion topics or interview guests? Contact PGAP anytime on our contact page here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact). Further links you may be interested in: Independent Australia published an article co-written by Mark and Michael: “Working towards an asbestos-free future (https://independentaustralia.net/life/life-display/working-towards-an-asbestos-free-future,17004).” A more extensive version can also be read on the PGAP blog (https://pgap.fireside.fm/articles/asbestosfuture). Our various asbestos misadventures were discussed in the season 4 premiere of PGAP (https://pgap.fireside.fm/asbestosville). There is an excellent article, published by Carbon8, showcasing FarmHand wines, another excellent regenerative winery. Written by Elena Burger Guimaraes. Currently available to read on Facebook. (https://m.facebook.com/carbon8fund/photos/a.2260924247278365/4758087974228634/?type=3) ABC has interviewed Oranje Tractor on several occasions. Examples include here (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-14/carbon-positive-vineyard-oranje-tractor-farm-sequesters-co2/100756992) and here (https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022-08-17/oranje-tractor-wines-trial-growing-bananas-sugarcane/101328830). SPA (https://population.org.au/) (who supports PGAP) announced the winners of the 8 billion writers' competition here. (https://population.org.au/winners-8billion-writers-competition/) You can find out more about Mark Allen's other work with Town Planning Rebellion here (https://holisticactivism.net/town-planning-rebellion-tpr/). You can find out more about Michael Bayliss at his website here (https://michaelbayliss.org/). Special Guest: Murray Gomm.

We can’t believe that PGAP is into its fourth season already! So, to shake things up, Michael is joined by Mark Allen from Town Planning Rebellion and Holistic Activism as the co-host for this season. You may remember Mark from his two previous guest appearances on PGAP here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/christiewalk) and here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/holmgren). This first episode of the season is the culmination of a personal journey for them both. For Michael it is an opportunity to share his lived experiences in the West Australia rental market (in what has been labelled as the asbestos capital of the world) - that is too broken to care about whether the basic health and safety needs of renters are being met. Mark who shared in some of those experiences, goes on to look at how it all fits into a wider discussion on the systemic changes that are so urgently required in our town planning and housing sectors. These experiences have also been written down in the form of a blog: “A Year in Asbestosville: A Farcical Tale of Systemic Failure.” This can be read on the PGAP blog (https://pgap.fireside.fm/articles/asbestos) or at Michael’s author profile on Medium (https://medium.com/@bayliss.michael/a-year-in-asbestosville-a-farcical-tale-of-systemic-failure-be16823109f3). You are spoiled for choice! In addition to our personal journeys, we also discuss some Degrowth related current affairs. For example… Did you know that November 15th is the date that our global population will reach 8 billion people. Yay! But what does 8 billion mean for the planet, the environment and for you? Sustainable Population Australia (SPA (https://population.org.au/)), who support this podcast, are inviting you to answer this very question in 100 words (or less!) for your chance to win a prize. A link can be found to the competition here (https://population.org.au/8-billion-competition/). The competition is open to all Australian residents who are not currently members of SPA and it is open until November 11th. Also, how could we not talk about Liz Truss on a program about Degrowth? Before her six weeks as PM was over, Truss bemoaned the supposed anti-growth coalition. So, a growing number of people thought that this was a great idea and started one up. Mark is currently in conversation with the coalition about how best to frame the population issue in a way that prevents it from becoming overly divisive. Want to find out more? You can visit their website here. (https://theagcoalition.org/?fbclid=IwAR2hQc_zgNg5sFvOwYy9lIg1Ll9Bb1L_f7Cmw5qMi44x4poSXoFTGeeGq3g) (image found through internet image search). Finally, we would like to give a nod to Dr. Alex Baumann, who has just released a YouTube video, “The Land Issue | A Social Science Sustainability Breakthroug (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roi4WiJakoY&t=1s)h". Our season 3 interview with Alex, ‘A Public Housing Revolution for Degrowth (https://pgap.fireside.fm/degrowthousing)’ has become PGAP’s highest performing ever episode. Hopefully this will help bring the importance of public housing and its role in our transition to degrowth, further into public consciousness. Perhaps we are making a difference because this year, PGAP nudged into the top 6% of global podcasts! With your help, we can get PGAP into the top 5% of listens, which we would like to think is where it belongs. You can do your bit by sharing this and other episodes of PGAP with your friends, family and networks. You can also rate and review us on Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099) so that others may be inspired to give us a go. Let’s help to build a movement of movements 😊. You can find out more about Mark, Holistic Activism and Town Planning Rebellion here (https://holisticactivism.net/) You can find out more about Michael at his website here (https://michaelbayliss.org/)

From the very beginning, PGAP has delighted in playing music from Formidable Vegetable (https://formidablevegetable.com.au/) on our permaculture themed episodes. So, for the final episode of Season 3, host Michael Bayliss is especially thrilled to meet with Formidable Vegetable mastermind Charlie Mgee at his new eco village home at Living Waters, Denmark WA. An engaging storyteller as well as musician and performer, Charlie shares the incredible history of forming the permaculture themed band and their mission statement from the get go. We also explore the role that music place in activism and societal change and we cap it off with Charlie’s vision for a Post-Growth future. Want to explore more of the Formidable Vegetable discography? The video for ‘No Such Thing as Waste’, the featured song for this episode, can be seen here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V7AbD-RuxM). We also play brand new track 'Short Attention Span' from brand new album 'In Real Life' at the end of the interview. Bandcamp is the best place to go to hear all the back catalogue. Link here. (https://formidablevegetable.bandcamp.com/) PGAP will be taking a – hopefully – short break before rejuvenating with Season 4 later this year. Just because we’re on pause doesn’t mean you have to be! Share this and other episodes of PGAP with your friends, family, colleagues and networks. Rate and review us on Apple Podcast (https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099). Contact us here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact) to give us your feedback and especially what topics and guests you’d like to see for season 4. In the meantime, if you enjoy the permaculture theme you may also like PGAP’s interview with David Holmgren (https://pgap.fireside.fm/holmgren) (who Charlie lived with back in 2020) or Meg and Patrick from Artist as Family (https://pgap.fireside.fm/artistasfamily). Or you may be interested in the Tasmanian Perspectives (https://pgap.fireside.fm/tasperspect3) series of interviews in season 2, including the quiet permaculture revolutio (https://pgap.fireside.fm/tasperspect1)n of Tassie’s northern shores, or Charles Massy (https://pgap.fireside.fm/fenner), regenerative farmer, from Season 3. Most of these episodes have Formidable Vegetable providing the music. If you want to find out more about host Michael Bayliss, please head to my website here (https://michaelbayliss.org/). Otherwise, episode timestamp below and see you all in a few months! Until then, until then…. Timestamp! 0:00:00 - 0:08:13 Introduction with Michael Bayliss 0:08:13 - 0:10:59 'No Such Thing As Waste' - Formidable Vegetable, reproduced with permission. All rights reserved. 0:11:00 - 1:03:11 Interview with Charlie Mgee 1:03:11 - 1:04:05 'Short Attention Span' - Formidable Vegetable, reproduced with permission. All rights reserved. 1:04:06 - 1:06:31 Outro with Michael Bayliss Special Guest: Charlie Mgee.

In this episode of Post-Growth Australia, we welcome back Dr Michelle Maloney, National Convenor of Australia Earth Law Alliance (AELA), to discuss the exciting new Greenprints initiative. Quoting from the AELA Website (https://www.earthlaws.org.au/our-programs/greenprints/), Greenprints “provides a practical, step-by-step approach to help people understand both the big picture and the small details, of how to transform our societies and thrive within our ecological limit”. Greenprints “offers a process to help us find and use the very best sustainability & regenerative approaches, so we can redesign societies to thrive within our local, regional & global ecological limits.” This episode was recorded online during severe gale force winds in Albany and severe rainfall in Brisbane, which unfortunately impacted on the resulting sound quality. Unfortunately folks, climate change even impacts our podcast listening experience! More information can be found on the Greenprints website here (https://www.greenprints.org.au/). An introductory video from Michelle on Greenprints can be watched on YouTube here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glM8lNINF8o). (A model of the greenprints steps reproduced here with courtesy from the Greenprints website) Greenprints is a practical tool for community groups, workplaces and local government. If you or your community would benefit from Greenprints, please contact AELA, details on their website here. (https://www.earthlaws.org.au/) The online seminar from Prof. Will Steffen, where I first heard about the Greenprints initiative, can be viewed on YouTube here: “Planetary Boundaries: 2022 Update with Professor Will Steffen - Greenprints Exchange Workshop Series (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1vSWPsjknI&t=1s).” Steffen also presented at the March 2022 Fenner conference which I helped to organise with Sustainable Population Australia (https://population.org.au/). A video of the presentation can also be viewed on YouTube: “Can we feed all the people and not destroy the Earth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90h5DOFNtUE&t=1s)?” Dr Michelle Maloney was previously interviewed by PGAP all the way back in Season 1. One of our more popular episodes, “Reimagining an Earth Centered Economy with Michelle Maloney” can be heard here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/4). You may also be interested in the second season PGAP episode: “Saving the Martuwarra-Fitzroy river with Professor Anne Poelina (https://pgap.fireside.fm/martuwarra).” Anne Poelina is a Nyikina Warrwa Traditional Owner who chairs the Martuwarra Fitzroy River Council and is working alongside AELA and the Greenprints initiative. Did you enjoy this episode? You can support PGAP by sharing this and other episodes of PGAP with your friends, family and networks. Rate and review PGAP on Apple Podcast (https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099). We are grateful for any constructive feedback or ideas for future guests and episodes, contact us here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact). More information regarding PGAP host Michael Bayliss can be found at my personal website here (https://michaelbayliss.org/). All opinions from PGAP guests, including their past or present legacies, are their own and do not necessarily reflect those of PGAP or Sustainable Population Australia, who support this podcast. Special Guest: Dr Michelle Maloney.

For the 2022 Earth Overshoot Day special of PGAP, we observe the occasion by welcoming Brian Czech, founder of the Centre for the Advancement of the Steady State Economy (CASSE). As a figurehead of the Degrowth movement, Brian makes a perfect voice of reason for this year’s Earth Overshoot Day, which falls on July 28th. In this episode, Brian reflects on the formation and history of CASSE with host Michael Bayliss and how the Steady State and Degrowth movements intersect. He shares his decades of experience and fascinating anecdotes to draw the point home that a steady state revolution is necessary to stop the endless growth paradigm from bringing earth overshoot day all the way to January 01st. Brian Czech has a Ph.D. in renewable natural resources. He is the founding President of CASSE (https://steadystate.org/), and a prolific author. His scientific articles have appeared in dozens of peer-reviewed journals, dealing primarily with ecological and economic sustainability issues. His books include Supply Shock: Economic Growth at the Crossroads, released in May 2013, Shoveling Fuel for a Runaway Train, which calls for an end to uneconomic growth, and The Endangered Species Act: History, Conservation Biology, and Public Policy. Brian is also an Interdisciplinary Biologist in the national office of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, where he received a 2010 Star Award for outstanding performance. He has played a leading role in engaging the environmental sciences and natural resources professions in ecological economics and macroeconomic policy dialog. Check out Earth Overshoot Day (https://www.overshootday.org/)and Global Footprint Network (https://www.footprintnetwork.org/) for a rundown on Earth Overshoot Day. According to their press release (https://www.overshootday.org/newsroom/press-release-june-2022-english/) for Earth Overshoot Day 2022: “Each year, Earth Overshoot Day marks the date when humanity has used all the biological resources that Earth regenerates during the entire year. Humanity currently uses 75% more than what the planet’s ecosystems can regenerate—or “1.75 Earths.” From Earth Overshoot Day until the end of the year, humanity operates on ecological deficit spending.” Further: “Earth Overshoot Day 2022 lands on July 28, earlier than last year. Over 50 years of global overshoot have led to a world where aggravated drought and food insecurity are compounded by unseasonably warm temperatures. As the date indicates, humanity continues to widen its annual ecological deficit two years after the pandemic-induced resource-use reductions exceptionally pushed the date back temporarily by 24 days.” As you can see, EOD2022 is an absolute riot! What can YOU do for Earth Overshoot Day? Glad you asked! Use the hashtag #movethedate in your social media correspondence Donate to Earth Overshoot (https://connect.clickandpledge.com/w/Form/bbe9bb84-0784-4cb1-bf50-f40c810d8407)so they can continue their good work Sign the CASSE petition (https://steadystate.org/act/sign-the-position/) calling for a Steady State Economy Support Sustainable Population Australia (https://population.org.au/support/), the only Australian environmental NGO willing to investigate the ‘P’ part of the IPAT equation Last but not least, share this and other episodes of PGAP and rate and review on Apple Podcast (https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099) (This list is not exhaustive of course. Reduce your consumption, embrace small families, annoy big business and property developers and TRY not to vote for one of the major political parties next time -as tempting as this may be. Basically, be the opposite of Elon Musk) Enjoy this episode and want to down a rabbit hole of links? With PGAP’s help, you’ll never have to leave your computer screen again! (Thank us later). The CASSE website (https://steadystate.org/) is a great place to start! The Steady Stater Podcast (which Brian hosts) can be found here. (https://steadystate.org/learn/the-steady-stater-podcast/) A fantastic program with a rotation of extremely high quality guests. I was part of that rotation not so long ago! ‘A Song For Post -Growth Australia (with Michael Bayliss) can be found here (https://www.buzzsprout.com/1244474/9663103). The first ever episode of PGAP (https://pgap.fireside.fm/steadystate) interviewed two Australian Chapter directors of CASSE: Martin Tye and Jonathan Miller. See where we began and where PGAP (and CASSE!) have gone since. July has been a busy month at PGAP – on July 11th we commiserated World Population Day. You may be interested in an article I wrote for the YourLifeChoices journal on behalf of Sustainable Population Australia: “Should we rethink a Big Australia for World Population Day (https://www.yourlifechoices.com.au/lifestyle/should-we-rethink-a-big-australia-for-world-population-day/)?” (The question is rhetorical). You may also be interested in SPA’s media release. (https://population.org.au/media-releases/wpd2022/) In the interview I mentioned the EarthX interview (https://video.earthxtv.com/shows/overcomingovershoot/season/1/episode/12) with Brian and Degrowth expert Anitra Nelson. PGAP also interviewed Anitra Nelson (https://pgap.fireside.fm/degrowth) back in Season 1 More information on PGAP host Michael Bayliss can be found on his website here (https://michaelbayliss.org/). _All views and opinions expressed by our guests, including references to their past and present work are totally their own and do not necessarily reflect any views or positions held by Post Growth Australia Podcast. _ Special Guest: Brian Czech.

World Population Day is approaching on July 11. According to the United Nations Population Fund, ‘8 billion people means 8 billion opportunities’, however many population sustainability advocates are not quite so optimistic. For this episode, PGAP welcome back Karen Shragg, American and Degrowth activist, along with two new guests, Madeline Weld and Valorie Allen from Canada. In this special four way discussion, we explore the similarities and contrasts of the population movement in across our respective countries and unite to shred the myths and misconceptions around population sustainability. Karen Shragg is a lifelong environmentalist, naturalist, educator, poet, author and overpopulation activist based in the USA. Her book ‘Move Upstream, A Call for Overpopulation’ was published in 2015. Her latest book ‘Change Our Stories Change our World’ was published in 2020. Karen maintains the ‘Moving Upstream (https://www.movingupstream.com/)’ blog and is a regular article writer. A recent article “For Your Consideration: To be Anti-Growth is to be Pro-humanity” can be read at Medium here (https://karenshragg.medium.com/for-your-consideration-to-be-anti-growth-is-to-be-pro-humanity-e32a57e8b221). Madeline Weld is president of Population Institute Canada (https://populationinstitutecanada.ca/) which seeks to inform the Canadian public and policy-makers about population matters. She has impressively held this position for almost 30 years. In the spirit of this episode of busting population myths, Madeline has published many impressive articles on this subject. Favourites include: “The 'Silent Lie' in Coverage of Madagascar’s Famine (https://overpopulation-project.com/the-silent-lie-in-coverage-of-madagascars-famine/),” “The Myth of Canada’s Underpopulation: Lay it to rest (https://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc_23_3/tsc_23_3_weld_1_printer.shtml)” and “Deconstructing the dangerous dogma of denial (https://www.int-res.com/articles/esep2012/12/e012p053.pdf)”. Valorie Allen has been an activist for 35 years in the environmental, population and animal rights movements, receiving the Canadian Volunteer Award. Her first award-winning book “Growing Pains—A Planet in Distress” was published in 2010. This year, Val has published her new book “8 Billion Reasons Population Matters.” More information regarding her new book can be found here (https://books.friesenpress.com/store/title/119734000096587474). Val’s website, Population In Sync here (https://populationinsync.net/). Want to find out more about World Population Day? Considering we’re reaching an 8 Billion milestone very soon in a heating world running out of resources, you might imagine that the United Nations Population Fund (UNFP) might sound a little anxious in their write up of the event (https://www.unfpa.org/events/world-population-day). However, they sound pretty upbeat, showing more concern over population ‘alarmists’. Go figure. The UNFP also raise concerns around the historical legacy of family planning and reproductive health care. Jane O’Sullivan’s article for The Overpopulation Project “History was rewritten to delegitimize population concerns: we need to reassert the truth (https://overpopulation-project.com/history-was-rewritten-to-delegitimize-population-concerns-we-need-to-reassert-the-truth/)” challenges these notions and is essential reading. Given that the high court in the USA has just upended the Roe vs. Wade case, ruling no constitutional right to abortion in the USA, your PGAP host believes this is just the latest in a long trend of denying funding and support for family planning and healthcare. This impacts women for the worse and contributes to the 121 million unintended pregnancies worldwide every year. All the more need for episodes such as this one, bringing together a united female voice to the vexed population issue. Immigration was raised in this episode and on this topic I would like to invite you to watch a small video I made in 2020 for Sustainable Population Australia. “Migrant perspective - infrastructure and population growth in Melbourne (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3_s2zM3-eM&t=407s)” is unique in that a first generation migrant interviewee speaks directly to a population organisation in regard to growth based issues affecting his community in Melbourne’s growth corridors. Regardless of whether you believe this is a ‘population’ issue or merely ‘a lack of planning and infrastructure’, we can all agree that our current growth based paradigm is creating infrastructure starved ghettos that impact the prospects of newly arrived migrants. Can’t get enough PGAP? We don’t blame you! Click here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/wpd) and here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/wpdpartb) for both World Population Day 2020 episodes, including recognisable guests such as Dave Gardner from Growthbusters and Terry Spahr, Director of ‘8 Billion Angels.’ Or our 2021 episodes with Sustainable Population Australia’s John Coulter and Nandita Bajaj from Population Balance. Links here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/wpd2021) and here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/wpb). Karen Shragg was also guest on PGAP last year, her episode ‘Changing Our Story on Population’ can be found here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/movingupstream). Finally, Jane O’Sullivan, quoted in this episode, was interviewed earlier this year, along with SPA Patron Ian Lowe, which can be heard here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/populationclimatechange). That should be enough to keep you busy! Speaking of Sustainable Population Australia (https://population.org.au/), SPA are proud supporters of PGAP. They are also very kind in allowing PGAP to venture beyond population into a broader conversation on Degrowth. This includes constructive conversations (we hope!) with guests who have very different or even oppositional perspectives on overpopulation. As the only Australian environmental charity currently willing to be centre stage on the ecological impacts of population growth, SPA relies on community support and donations to give momentum for their uphill battle. Consider giving them a little something here. (https://population.org.au/donate/) If you’re still feeling charitable after that, please consider supporting PGAP. Podcasts like ours are the antidote and panacea to a mainstream media that has become corrupt, vacuous and dangerous. It is word of mouth that spread the work of the people, and PGAP is no exception. Please actively share this episode and others among your networks. Rate and review PGAP on Apple Podcast (https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099). Please contact us (https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact) to let us know what you think to this and other episodes of PGAP and what topics and guests you would like to see in future. More information on PGAP host Michael Bayliss can be found on his website here (https://michaelbayliss.org/). _All views and opinions expressed by our guests, including references to their past and present work are totally their own and do not necessarily reflect any views or positions held by Post Growth Australia Podcast. _ Special Guests: Karen Shragg, Madeline Weld, and Valorie Allen.

At PGAP, we have explored many different ideas and facets within the broad realm of Post Growth. Permaculture is a frequent topic on this podcast, so too is behaviour change and nature based spirituality. But what happens if you combine the best of both worlds? For example, the practicality of permaculture principles in conjunction with transpersonal psychology, energy meditation and nature connection facilitation? You get Dan and Johanna McTiernan, co-founders of Earthbound who live and manage a 6 acre homestead on Finland. Johanna and Dan are the guests of this episode of PGAP as we find out more about Earthbound. Dan McTiernan is a certified transpersonal psychology coach and subtle energy meditation teacher and has been deeply involved in the permaculture movement as a teacher, entrepreneur, writer and homesteader for 15 years. Johanna McTiernan is a certified subtle energy meditation teacher and a trained nature connection facilitator. With her husband, Dan, she has created permaculture projects including a community supported bakery in the UK, a regenerative olive and almond farm in Spain and a homestead in her native Finland. She is a lifelong seeker of meaning and meeting her family's needs in deep relationship with the land is her passion. Earthbound (https://www.earthbound.fi/), the project Dan and Johanna run, offers 1-1 and group coaching facilitating growth, connection and healing at the fertile edge between transpersonal psychology, embodied meditation & permaculture. PGAP host Michael Bayliss first met Dan McTiernan through mutual connections with Holistic Activism founder Mark Allen. You can find out more about Holistic Activism here (https://holisticactivism.net/). Interested in listening to more PGAP episodes on permaculture? You might be interested in the season 3 episode with Shane Simon on Zero Input Agriculture (https://pgap.fireside.fm/zeroinput)or Season 2 episode with Tania Brook (https://pgap.fireside.fm/tasperspect1)s for our Tasmanian Perspectives mini series of interviews. Would you prefer to listen to more episodes on behaviour change and spirituality? Our last episode with Paul Collins (https://pgap.fireside.fm/paulcollins)is a great listen. You might also like to travel back to season 1 for our interview with Darpan. (https://pgap.fireside.fm/darpan) Did you like this episode of PGAP? Then share it far and wide! Rate and review on Apple Podcast (https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099). Subscribe to PGAP here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/subscribe). You can contact us here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact) to let us know your thoughts on this and other episodes and what topics and guests you would like to see for future episodes. The homepage for PGAP host Michael Bayliss can be found here (https://michaelbayliss.org/). All views and opinions expressed by our guests, including references to their past and present work are totally their own and do not necessarily reflect any views or positions held by Post Growth Australia Podcast. Special Guests: Dan McTiernan and Johanna McTiernan.

In this episode of PGAP, we talk to Dr Paul Collins, former head of the religion and ethics department in the ABC. He is well known as a commentator on Catholicism and the papacy and also has a strong interest in ethics, environmental and population issues. Paul Collins is also patron of Sustainable Population Australia. Although Christianity is not often renowned in the broader community for its position on reproductive health care or environmental concerns, Paul challenges this presupposition. He is unique in his ability to weave theology into a discourse on environmental centred ethics. PGAP interviewed Paul on the back of his new book “The Depopulation Imperative. How many people can earth support?” Want to find out more about Paul? Visit his website here (http://www.paulcollinscatholicwriter.com.au/). You may also like to watch a short video on Paul from SPA’s meet our patron (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxT6EzxNOBQ) series. Want your own copy of the “The Depopulation Imperative?” A link to the book here (https://scholarly.info/book/the-depopulation-imperative/). Paul was recently interviewed on ABC Radio National Science Show to promote 'The Depopulation Imperative'. Link to the episode can be found here (https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/all-environmental-problems-traced-to-immense-human-impact/13841030) Pope Francis’ position on choosing pets over babies as ‘selfish’ was referred to on the episode several times. A link to the article from The Guardian can be found here (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/05/pope-couples-choose-pets-children-selfish). What are your thoughts on the issues raised in this or other episodes of PGAP? Contact us here. (https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact) Support PGAP by subscribing here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/subscribe) and rate and review us on Apple Podcast (https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099). Share PGAP among your networks. This episode of PGAP is made possible from the kind support of Sustainable Population Australia (https://population.org.au/). The perspectives and positions held by our guests are theirs only, this includes current and past published works. Not all views necessarily reflect those of PGAP. More information on PGAP host, Michael Bayliss can be found on his website here (https://michaelbayliss.org/) Special Guest: Paul Collins.

“Sustainability and the New Economics: Synthesising Ecological Economics and Modern Monetary Theory” is a new book fresh off the print and on the shelves. It is an impressive volume containing chapters from a host of Australian game-changers including Michael Kirby, Ian Dunlop, Will Steffen and last episode’s guest Ian Lowe. The book details sobering realities regarding business as usual economics, while offering many realistic and applicable solutions based around ecological economics and modern monetary theory. PGAP spoke with lead editor Stephen Williams to find out more about this impressive book, and why economics is front and foremost of the world’s problems and why things need to change. Stephen Williams has a background in newspaper journalism and law. He began his journalism career at The Canberra Times in 2000 and subsequently specialised in environmental matters. His overarching interest is in designing sustainable societies. He believes mainstream economics can only provide a path to collapse. He is the co-editor of Sustainability and the New Economics: Synthesising Ecological Economics and Modern Monetary Theory (Springer, 2022). Want to find out more about “Sustainability and the New Economics: Synthesising Ecological Economics and Modern Monetary Theory”, purchase your own copy or encourage your local library to stock up? Check out the link to the book here (https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-030-78795-0) Want to find out more about some of the topics that Stephen brought up in the interview? Modern Money Lab (courses, info): https://modernmoneylab.org.au Herman Daly essay (with top-10 policies): https://www.greattransition.org/publication/economics-for-a-full-world Did you like the economic focus of this episode? You might also like season 2 finale episode with Economic Reform Australia (https://pgap.fireside.fm/era) or The Economics of Arrival with Katherine Trebeck (https://pgap.fireside.fm/arrival). Season 1 has the budget special with unconventional economist Leith van Onselen (https://pgap.fireside.fm/budgetspecial), or reimagining an earth centred economy with Michelle Maloney. (https://pgap.fireside.fm/4) SUPPORT PGAP! Rate and review us on Apple Podcast [here (https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099). Subscribe here. (https://pgap.fireside.fm/subscribe) Contact us here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact). See you next episode? You wouldn't miss it for the world! PGAP is made possible with the kind support of Sustainable Population Australia (https://population.org.au/). If you would like to find out more about PGAP host Michael Bayliss, his website can be visited here (https://michaelbayliss.org/) (All opinions, publications and positions held by PGAP guests do not necessarily reflect the positions held by PGAP). Special Guest: Stephen Williams.

Did you know that climate mitigation models show that the only scenarios that avoid dangerous climate change are those which assume global population peaks in the next decade and then declines? Why is no-one talking about this? Luckily for us and the future of the planet, PGAP’s two guests for this episode, Professor Ian Lowe and Doctor Jane O’Sullivan, have written a new discussion paper ‘Population and Climate Change.’ Co-written with Doctor Peter Cook and commissioned by Sustainable Population Australia, this new report uses clear concise language with thorough scientific research to make a very strong case for the role that population plays in this warming world. PGAP speaks with Jane and Ian to unwrap the key points behind the discussion paper and to find out more about the stories behind these two inspiring people. The discussion paper ‘Population and Climate Change’ can be downloaded from the Sustainable Population Australia website here (https://population.org.au/discussion-papers/climate/). You can find out more about SPA and their recent campaigns here (https://population.org.au/lets-rethink-big-australia/) and here (https://population.org.au/how-you-can-make-a-difference/). Ian was recently interviewed on ABC’s Radio National Science Show on the ‘Population and Climate Change’ discussion paper here (https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/human-population-the-driver-of-greenhouse-emissions-and-all-env/13771554). As a patron for Sustainable Population Australia, Ian was also interviewed for SPA’s ‘Meet the Patrons’ series of short videos here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3JW6-7O5EU&list=PLqZhQi8eQurRR5xL6xP9qGgyStq4xkVNt&index=4). Ian’s interview can be heard between 00:07:10 and 00:29:52 Jane has just had a very topical article published in The Overpopulation Project: “Ukraine war: temporary glitch or tipping point?” (https://overpopulation-project.com/ukraine-war-temporary-glitch-or-tipping-point/) Last year, she was guest on the award winning US based podcast “This Sustainable Life” (https://podcasts.apple.com/br/podcast/483-jane-osullivan-debunking-the-aging-problem-scam/id1320141457?i=1000527935727&l=en) to discuss SPA’s previous commissioned report “Silver Tsunami Or Silver Lining (https://population.org.au/discussion-papers/ageing/): Why We Should Not Fear an Ageing Population” - which Jane authored. Jane’s interview can be heard between 00:33:08 and 01: 01: 50 I note that the New Economy Network Australia (NENA) were very kind in sharing the ‘Population and Climate Change’ discussion paper. Their director, Dr. Michelle Maloney was one of the first guests on PGAP and both Jane and I have presented at NENA run conferences. NENA is collaborating with Griffith University's Yunus Centre to deliver a short course: " Building the Wellbeing Economy: Foundations for Learning and Practice." The course brings together 21 thought-leaders over 8 weeks to discuss how we might reshape the economy in which both people and the planet thrive. This is critical for any Post-Growth person to consider. To register go here (https://www.neweconomy.org.au/courses/building-a-wellbeing-economy-2022/), or follow the poster below! Loved the episode? Hated it? Love the episode but hate PGAP? Firecely undecided? We’d love to hear your (constructive) thoughts and feedback by contacting us here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact). Word of mouth is our main tool to crack the mainstream, so please consider sharing this episode, subscribe to PGAP (https://pgap.fireside.fm/subscribe) or rate and reviewing this episode on Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099). Want to find out more about the host? Check out my website here (https://michaelbayliss.org/). Special Guests: Dr. Jane O'Sullivcan and Prof. Ian Lowe.

With the twin horsemen of climate change and diminishing fossil fuels impacting food security (did you know that 10 calories of fossil fuel are required per calorie of food?) it is evident that the future of industrial agriculture looks more than a little grim. Given that food is critical for survival, PGAP continues to explore the essential answers to the question: how do we radically change our approach to growing food in the years to come? Dr. Shane Simonsen operates a ‘Zero Input Agriculture’ farm in the highlands of South-East Queensland. What does zero input mean and does it work? Shane shares with PGAP how a zero input system works, in addition to weaving his vast knowledge and unique insights into a very pithy conversation with PGAP host Michael Bayliss. Shane regularly posts on his farm and his worldly observation on his website, Zero Input Agriculture (https://zeroinputagriculture.wordpress.com/), which we encourage you to explore. Shane has also been a guest on podcasts such as Abundant Edge (https://abundantedge.com/what-would-agriculture-look-like-with-zero-inputs-with-shane-simonsen-author-of-zero-input-agriculture/). Shane and I are mutual contacts of Michel Stasse and Doon Wyborn, both doing great things in permaculture and collapse awareness. Both have also been previous guests on PGAP. You can listen to Doon’s interview here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/bindarrabi)and Michel here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/mikestasse). Do you enjoy this episode? Then please Support PGAP. Subscribe here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/subscribe). Contact us here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact). Rate and review us on Apple Podcast (https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099). Last episode I interviewed regenerative farming icon Charles Massy (https://pgap.fireside.fm/fenner) to promote the Fenner conference ‘Making Australian Agriculture Sustainable.’ The Fenner conference proved to be fantastic with its array of fantastic speakers and its juggling of the precariousness of Australia’s agricultural predicaments while also offering many hopeful solutions. I certainly learnt a lot more about dung beetles! The conference was supported and sponsored by Sustainable Population Australi (https://population.org.au/)a, who also support this podcast. Good on them! These are a couple of online screenshots from the first day of the conference. I am sure higher quality photos, taken on ground, will be available soon! The song of choice for this episode is ‘Safe Room’, the first recorded single from my band ‘Shock Octopus’ back in 2011. Back then, songs about collapse were still seen as somewhat niche in the WA music scene (and in mainstream society more broadly). These days, collapse is so obviously a thing that even the Murdoch Press are talking about it! What can I say, I was there first. You can find out more about ‘Safe Room’ at the Shock Octopus Bandcamp page here (https://shockoctopus.bandcamp.com/) (you can even support the artist and buy a copy – hint). Would you like to find out more about PGAP’s host, Michael Bayliss? You can find out more at my website here (https://michaelbayliss.org/). Disclaimer: All opinions from PGAP’s guests are theirs alone, and does not necessarily reflect the opinions or position held by PGAP, Michael Bayliss, or Sustainable Population Australia. This includes all current and previous research, work, advocacy or opinions attributable to our interviewees. Special Guest: Dr. Shane Simonsen.

On March the 17th, a conference will be converging in Canberra called ‘Making Agriculture Sustainable (https://www.sustainableag.org.au/)’. As we all know, Australian agriculture today is largely unsustainable. Soils are degrading and are in need of regeneration and broad acre farming is delivering food in quantity but not always in quality. So this conference will include an exceptional group of speakers to address the question: Can we feed ourselves and not destroy the Earth? One of the keynote speakers, Charles Massy (https://fennerschool.anu.edu.au/people/visiting/dr-charles-massy), has become a household name in regenerative farming. He has a bestselling book ‘Call of the Reed Warbler: A New Agriculture’ (https://www.booktopia.com.au/call-of-the-reed-warbler-charles-massy/book/9780702263224.html?source=pla&gclid=CjwKCAiAgvKQBhBbEiwAaPQw3K0TUblCtLdJctqBxgH7r_iQJASqkInyHssfnkQrXq-1w1aEl4BW4RoCC8AQAvD_BwE) and has been the subject of an Australian Story (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58G9htz0hTk)episode. PGAP is delighted to have Charles join us to discuss regenerative agriculture in depth and tell us more about the upcoming Fenner conference. (a sample of the many speakers at the 2022 Feneer conference) To find out more or to register for the 2022 Fenner conference ‘Making Agriculture Sustainable’ click here (https://www.sustainableag.org.au/index.php/register/). The Australian Story episode of Charles Massy can be found here. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58G9htz0hTk) To find out more about his book ‘Call of the Reed Warbler,’ start here (https://www.booktopia.com.au/call-of-the-reed-warbler-charles-massy/book/9780702263224.html) Rod Taylor, one of the Fenner organisers, has also recently published a book ‘ Ten Journeys on A Fragile Planet.’ Agriculture and care for country are both reoccurring themes in this book. You can find out more here (https://www.odysseybooks.com.au/titles/9781925652789/#:~:text=In%20Ten%20Journeys%20on%20a,This%20book%20tells%20their%20stories.). This year’s Fenner conference is made possible by the generous support of Sustainable Population Australia (SPA (https://population.org.au/)). SPA are also the main supporters of PGAP. You can read more on their recent discussion paper of ‘Population and Climate Change’ here (https://population.org.au/discussion-papers/climate/). If population policy in Australia is a concern for you in the lead up to the election, SPA offers come handy hints on making a difference here (https://population.org.au/how-you-can-make-a-difference/). SPA relies on grass roots donations, supporters and members to ensure that their important message has cut through in a generally unforgiving media environment. To support SPA, find out more here (https://population.org.au/support/). It has been 50 years since that wonderful but intimating book ‘Limits to Growth’ was published in 1972. It is as relevant as ever (especially as the worst case projections in the book are all playing out on cue). A great article was recently written on the anniversary which can be read here (https://www.resilience.org/stories/2022-02-22/dennis-meadows-on-the-50th-anniversary-of-the-publication-of-the-limits-to-growth/?fbclid=IwAR09bIlOX7qJQU5k1o2nbwIYwIFIOi2Agfxf_suhYvQsco422udNtWnlNm8). Got feedback? Post-Growth ideas? Or would you like to be a guest on PGAP or contribute your music? Then please say hello on our contact page here. (https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact) Rate and review PGAP on Apple Podcast (https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099). Share PGAP far and wide – with your kind support PGAP is becoming increasingly known and popular Thank you! The music of choice for this episode is 'Blame It On The Sun' by 'Counting Backwards'. A link to their Bandcamp page can be found here (https://countingbackwards.bandcamp.com/). Want to find out a little more about PGAP’s host? Michael’s website can be visited here (https://michaelbayliss.org/). Special Guest: Charles Massy.

It is true that new houses require a lot a resources and emissions to build. So, it is critical that when we must build, that we do it right. Otherwise we waste so much in heating, air conditioning, repairs, demolition and all the other emission trappings with running a house. For this episode of PGAP, we chat with Simone Schenkel, award winning certified passive house designer and director of Victorian based Gruen Eco Design. Simone explains to host Michael Bayliss the fundamentals of passive housing design, how to make eco housing more affordable and why eco building should be the rule and not the exception in Australia’s construction industry. In true PGAP fashion, we also discuss the systemic issues that result in Australians paying high prices for what have been described as ‘glorified tents’ and what needs to change. Thinking of building your eco-home or want to find more about the fundamentals of passive housing design with Gruen Eco Design? Check out their Website (https://gruenecodesign.com.au/), Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/gruen_eco_design/)or their Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/GruenEcoDesign) and group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/GruenEcoDesignSustainableLivingTribe). The way we plan and design our homes, communities and cities are an overlooked but critical component of the Post-Growth transition. You may be interested in our previous episode, ‘A Public Housing Revolution (https://pgap.fireside.fm/degrowthousing)’ with Degrowth academic Dr Alex Baumann. This episode has proven to be very popular, touching a nerve with many new listeners. What are your thoughts on the state of Australia’s housing and urban planning systems? Most of us have very strong opinions on these issues as they have a huge impact on our time, money and lives. Share your ideas with PGAP by contacting us on our contact page (https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact). Rate and review us on Apple Podcast (https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099)and share this podcast widely to your friends, family, archenemies and the neighbourhood cat. The music of choice for this episode was ‘Little Pete’s Playground’ from West Australian band ‘Soon (https://soonband.bandcamp.com/album/always-again)’. For anyone into early 90s Shoegaze, the entire EP is a delight and one of my favourite albums of all time. PGAP is made possible with the kind support of SPA (https://population.org.au/) Special Guest: Simone Schenkel.

Housing is an essential human need, but as the average median house price in Australian capital cities now exceed $1 million, this requires some very significant dropping into the marketplace in order to afford a roof over our heads. According to the research of PGAP’s esteemed guest Dr. Alex Baumann, the act of owning a property of one’s own can place one in that dreaded 1% richest people in the world. Alex discusses why the privatisation of land forces us all into lifestyles that are antithetical to the degrowth movement and why housing needs to be at the core of post-growth activism. Alex also explains why public housing is one overlooked solution and how reinvigorating this asset is part and parcel to a degrowth future. Ready to have your whole perspective on housing turned around? This is the episode for you! Dr. Alex Baumann and I found each other on the Town Planning Reblellion (TPR) Facebook group. Find out more about TPR and its parent organisation, Holistic Activism here (https://holisticactivism.net/town-planning-rebellion-tpr/). Want to be an ACTIVE part of the housing revolution? This is a great place to start. I interviewed TPR founder, Mark Allen on season 2’s “Exploring Christie Walk EcoHousing with Adelaide Chronicles and Town Planning Rebellion. (https://pgap.fireside.fm/christiewalk)” If you liked the themes in this episode you’ll love that one. I first came across Alex’s good work in an article in The Conversation titled: “We are the 1%: the wealth of many Australians puts them in an elite club wrecking the planet (https://theconversation.com/we-are-the-1-the-wealth-of-many-australians-puts-them-in-an-elite-club-wrecking-the-planet-151208).” The article was co-written with Samuel Alexander, whose has been a inspiration for me in the Degrowth movement. Speaking of Samuel Alexander! The song of choice for this episode, “Meditations on Simplicity” is from the Mortimer’s Method album ‘Dreaming Backwards, Falling Awake’ (https://mortimersmethod.bandcamp.com/album/dreaming-backwards-falling-awake), based on excerpts from the Degrowth fiction novel ‘Entropia’ by Samuel Alexander. ‘Entropia’ isn’t the only fiction work on post-growth out there. PGAP interviewed Sharon Ede (https://pgap.fireside.fm/magenovel), post-growth activist and author of ‘Mage’, in season two of PGAP. Alex is even more animated on video! He explains many of the points raised in this episode and more in the YouTube video “A New Path to Sustainability (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRHIhmxknF4).” Ted Trainer is an inspiration for Alex and was brought up several times during the interview. You can hear the PGAP interview with Ted in full here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/tedtrainer). Finally, Martin Tye, Australian regional chapter director of CASSE, will be giving a zoom presentation for the Sustainable Living Festival on "Degrowth & the Steady State" on 06th February, 9am AEDT. More information can be found on the SLF website (http://www.slf.org.au/event/degrowth-steady-state/). Martin was a guest on the first ever episode of PGAP (https://pgap.fireside.fm/steadystate) and I’m sure he will be just as excellent in his presentation as he was on the episode! Essentially, I can't recommend him enough. Please contact PGAP (https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact) with your thoughts and feedback or rate and review us on Apple Podcast. (https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099) Share PGAP with your friends, families, network, your bitter enemies and the neighbourhood cat. Basically, everyone. Post-Growth Australia Podcast is made possible from the kind support of SPA (https://population.org.au/) Special Guest: Alex Baumann.

Permaculture is a popular topic on PGAP. Many who practice permaculture tend to also resonate with post-growth ideas. But for those in the post-growth movement who don’t like to garden, are there still things we can learn from permaculture? Can permaculture principles be applied to the wider economic, political and social change movements, or should permaculture keep itself to the garden bed? A new book, ‘The Politics of Permaculture’ endeavours to unpack the theory and practice of this popular and broad social movement. Author Terry Leahy collated many interviews and points of view from permaculture practitioners across the world, from Australia to Zimbabwe and everywhere in-between, to capture the many perspectives of how permaculture is understood. He shares this and more with PGAP, including his own vision for a future gift economy. Having crossed paths with Terry Leahy through several community, gardening and permaculture initiatives in Melbourne, it was fantastic to reconnect with Terry again and dig in deep (literally and figuratively) over this very fascinating and thought provoking book. Support Post-Growth Australia Podcast. Subscribe to us through this link (https://pgap.fireside.fm/subscribe). Contact us on the contact form here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact). Rate and review PGAP on Apple Podcast here (https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099). PGAP exists free of corporate sponsorship and advertising, so we rely exclusively on word of mouth to sow the seeds of the podcast that explores the most critical issues facing the planet. Would you like your very own copy of 'The Politics of Permaculture?' You can acquire it through Pluto Press here (https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745342740/the-politics-of-permaculture/) The song of choice from this episode is the very topical 'Climate Movement' from Formidable Vegetable. (https://formidablevegetable.bandcamp.com/track/climate-movement). Given how many times I have played Formidable Vegetable on PGAP, it is fair to say that I am quite the fan. It was wonderful to see them play live at New Years Eve in Albany and to discover we are (sort of) neighbours. If you would like to find out more about Terry Leahy's work he has kindly provided some links below: Leahy, Terry (2019) Food Security for Rural Africa: Feeding the Farmers First, Routledge (https://www.routledge.com/Food-Security-for-Rural-Africa-Feeding-the-Farmers-First/Leahy/p/book/9780367665753). Leahy, Terry (2017) Humanist Realism for Sociologists, Routledge, (https://www.routledge.com/Humanist-Rea-lism-for-Sociologists/Leahy/p/book/9780367876982) Leahy, Terry, Website – The Gift Economy (www.gifteconomy.org.au) Leahy, Terry – YouTube channel: What’s Wrong with the World and How to Fix it. (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCevqm8Jva1aeaJ6r0RzjZGw) Leahy, Terry and sister Leahy, Gillian (2013) The Chikukwa Project documentary - 53 minutes version (https://vimeo.com/376455835) Leahy, Terry and sister Leahy, Gillian (2013) The Chikukwa Project documentary- 20 minutes educational version (https://vimeo.com/285882471) And if this wasn't enough links: I recently had my 'post-growth manifesto' (https://medium.com/ending-overshoot/my-manifesto-for-a-post-growth-world-c2e1e8e53f73) published on the Ending Overshoot blog. It is based on the script I used for the Christmas 2021 PGAP special. In Season 1 of PGAP I interviewed Anitra Nelson (https://pgap.fireside.fm/degrowth)who had just co-authored an exciting overview of the Degrowth movement. I actually met Anitra through one of Terry's day parties. It is all one big happy and most functional family at PGAP! Too much permaculture barely enough? PGAP has interviewed David Holmgren (https://pgap.fireside.fm/holmgren), Caroline Smith (https://pgap.fireside.fm/tasperspect3), Tania Brookes (https://pgap.fireside.fm/tasperspect1) and Artist as Family (https://pgap.fireside.fm/artistasfamily) Special Guest: Terry Leahy.

“I started bringing leadership into the environment. Because I felt like there’s a lot of people telling other people what to do, spreading facts and figures. But no-one really making it enjoyable. Saying you’re going to like this, you’re going to wish you started earlier, speaking from personal experience.” Joshua Spodek (https://joshuaspodek.com/)is a bestseller author, multiple TEDx talker and host of award winning podcast “This Sustainable Life (https://joshuaspodek.com/leadership-and-the-environment-top-downloads)”. Joshua is a huge advocate for the environment and for system change toward a post-growth planet. He takes his politics into his home life and made some incredible life transformations in his mission to living more sustainably. So, how has a move toward a meat-free life of no food packaging and no plane miles played out for our special guest on the Season 3 Premiere of PGAP? Is this a life of wilful deprivation and martyrdom? Or have these personal challenges transformed his life into one of joy and a different kind of abundance? Joshua tells all through amusing personal anecdotes coupled with an incredibly well-read and researched outlook on the world. “We have to change ourselves if we expect others to change. Being right is….really annoying.” - Joshua Spodek Welcome back to Post-Growth Australia Podcast after a brief hiatus. I for one am very honoured to be launching the Season 3 Premiere of PGAP with such as distinguished guest as Joshua Spodek. His long history in public speaking alone will ensure that your ears are serenaded for the next 60 minutes! A cursory viewing of any of his TEDx talks will prove my point: here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GMTpaxlLGg); here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTYiHr1lu10); or here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb3nwRZmKBo); You may also have noticed that PGAP has had a bit of face-lift, with an update to the graphics courtesy of Squeaky Pea designs. I hope you like the changes! Looking forward to a mammoth season 3 with a stellar array of amazing guests. The new intro sounds for Season 3 PGAP provided courteousy of Perth composer Nicholas Gardiner. Find out more here (https://www.nicholasgardiner.com/). “Growth on its own means always craving what you don’t have. It means craving. It means ‘never satisfied’.” – Joshua Spodek I first discovered Joshua big time when he interviewed my colleague from Sustainable Population Australia (https://population.org.au/), Dr. Jane O’Sullivan (https://researchers.uq.edu.au/researcher/4920)on his podcast ‘This Sustainable Life. (https://joshuaspodek.com/podcast)’ Jane was invited to discuss a recent discussion paper she wrote for SPA debunking the ageing population crisis myth. ‘Silver Tsunami or Silver Lining: Why we should not fear an ageing population’ is available on the SPA website (https://population.org.au/discussion-papers/ageing/) and makes for very eye-opening reading. The link to the interview can be found here. (https://joshuaspodek.com/guests/jane-osullivan) ‘This Sustainable Life’ is an amazing podcast series where big name guests are invited to make personal changes to their lives – for the inspiration of all! I myself have an interview coming up on the offshoot podcast series ‘This Sustainable Life: Solve For Nature (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/this-sustainable-life-solve-for-nature/id1550434786).’ Stay tuned! _ “Efficiency in a finite world with growth leads to scarcity.” _– Joshua Spodek In the introduction to this episode I brought up how Australia is facing a urea shortage which has potentially dire consequences for our diesel and trucking industries (whould woulda thunk?) If you are interested in reading more, have a gander here (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/dec/08/what-is-urea-and-why-does-a-worldwide-shortage-threaten-australias-supply-chain). The above is just one symptom of what will soon be a much larger chain of supply chain issues and resource scarcity. Last month I shared around this article “It’s Not a Supply Chain Crisis — It’s a Failing Economy” (https://eand.co/its-not-a-supply-chain-crisis-it-s-a-failing-economy-b5f8aee2064c?gi=c506c568186d) on my Twitter feed just in time for the festive season! Want me to discuss limits to growth at YOUR next festive event? Pick up the phone - I'm a literal SCREAM at parties! _ “next time you’re stuck in Traffic, next time you’re waiting in line some place, imagine a world of 2 billion people.”_ Sustainable Population Australia, who support this podcast, aren’t claiming to turn the world’s numbers back to 2 billion overnight, but they are loudly advocating for an equitable world with equitable access to family planning and reproductive health services. They are also advocating to decouple population policy in Australia from the narrow interests of big business and big finance. Have a look at their ‘Let’s Rethink Big Australia’ (https://population.org.au/lets-rethink-big-australia/) campaign. “my swimming upstream makes it so that others feel they’re swimming downstream – and then it feels like I’m swimming downstream as well.” If you loved this episode we have some choice PGAP recommendations for you. Amrit Sandhu from Season 2 'Inspired Evolution' (https://pgap.fireside.fm/inspiredevolution) episode is also a podcast host and a personal transformation coach. Meg and Patrick from Artist as Family, who premiered season 2 (https://pgap.fireside.fm/artistasfamily), live through example in their ‘neo-peasantry’ homestead in Victoria, Australia. Lastly, Nandita Bajaj (https://pgap.fireside.fm/wpb), director of Population Balance, is another vegan in North America who lives a minimalist lifestyle and advocates for a sustainable population. Please remember to rate and review PGAP on Apple Podcast. (https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099) If you have any suggestions, feedback, or just want to say “hi’ please feel free to contact me anytime on the contact form thus (https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact). Til next time, til then! Special Guest: Joshua Spodek.

The festive season is upon us as we wrap close to another year in the decade of consequence. To ‘celebrate’, PGAP host Michael Bayliss shares his own personal vision for a post-growth future. He looks back nostalgically on his Melbourne years, reflecting on the many successes and challenges from ten years in many various grassroots community initiatives. He also plays a selection of songs, penned by himself or by friends that espouse the Degrowth values of this podcast even if they may not inspire complete festive cheer. Enjoy! During our break between seasons, PGAP has been busy updating the graphics and the sound. What do you think of the new look? The graphics were provided by Adelaide’s Squeaky Pea Designs (https://www.squeakypeadesigns.com/). The new intro theme was provided by Perth based composer and film scorer Nicholas Gardiner (https://www.nicholasgardiner.com/). Please contact PGAP anytime (https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact) to share your thoughts. Rate and review PGAP on Apple Podcast (https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099) – that would be the perfect Christmas gift (hint! Hint!) I also have a brand new Website now! Check it out here (https://michaelbayliss.org/). ‘Michalbayliss.org’ is a depository of all my creativity, public outreach and multimedia projects over the years. I can also be contacted through the website for any collaborative opportunities that you may have in mind. I am available for interview, article writing, sound/video editing, project management, all at very competitive degrowth rates. PGAP is not the only podcast where I have been busy. I have recently been a guest on both the ‘Overpopulation Podcast’ (https://population.org.au/spa-interviewed-on-overpopulation-podcast/) and ‘The Steady Stater’ (https://www.buzzsprout.com/1244474/9663103) where I have been honoured to have some of my most enjoyable conversations in my life with some of the best hosts and all round human beings one could hope for. Stick around and have a gander! I mentioned Town Planning Rebellion (https://holisticactivism.net/town-planning-rebellion-tpr/) on this episode and have interviewed TPR’s founder, Mark Allen, on two occasions during PGAP’s history. Mark has been particularly influential on my activism, outlook and attitudes, and I strongly recommending checking out ‘Holistic Activism’ (https://holisticactivism.net/). Mark also founded the music project ‘Counting Backwards’ who provided the exclusively demo track ‘Miserable Sodding Christmas’ for this episode. You can discover Counting Backwards music here (https://countingbackwards.bandcamp.com/). Speaking of influences. I would like to acknowledge the work of Michelle Maloney, Anitra Nelson, Ian Lowe, Katherine Trebeck and Anne Poelina for having an impact on my views, outlooks, and philosophical positions that I have shared on this episode. I’ve been lucky enough to have them all as guests on PGAP! I’m sure we don’t share eye to eye on every single issue and I'm quite proud of holding my own opinions. Nevertheless, it is good to wear your influences on your sleeve! And finally, my band Shock Octopus, shared two songs on this episode: ‘A Deer Caught In The Headlights’ (https://shockoctopus.bandcamp.com/track/a-deer-caught-in-the-headlights-4) and ‘So Far From Home (https://shockoctopus.bandcamp.com/track/so-far-from-home)’. The entire catalogue can be seen on Bandcamp (https://shockoctopus.bandcamp.com/)or on my website. (https://michaelbayliss.org/music) Stick around for the new year when PGAP launches season 3 in style with a star studded cast of special guests. Until then, have a great festive season.