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25 minutes | Jan 28, 2022
Woman In The House: Misogynistic or Missed The Mark?
They aren't telling us we have all we can handle with our big glasses of wine, our real traumas, all while fighting the ways modern life encourages us (especially mothers) to abandon ourselves, right??? Right?
52 minutes | Jan 23, 2022
Ozark Episodes 2-4: Ruth Grows, Wendy Regresses
Ozark Episodes 2-4: Ruth Grows; Wendy Regresses; Charlotte is more capable, but also more vulnerable; Darlene is a loose cannon, but she's got Ruth aiming her at the right targets.
31 minutes | Jan 21, 2022
Ozark Season 4 Ep 1 Recap: The Beginning of the End
There are so many incredible women on this show and we can't wait to see what trouble they get themselves in -- and out of -- in the final season.
43 minutes | Jan 17, 2022
Station Eleven Recap: this is what it feels like to be a parent and this is how we want to feel in the pandemic
My love is real. You just can’t see it, you’re inside of it. I knit you out of it.Survival is insufficient.
139 minutes | Jan 13, 2022
'The Lost Daughter' & Maggie Gyllenhaal and Elena Ferrante
Written and directed by the brilliant Maggie Gyllenhaal, based on the novella by Elena Ferrante, The Lost Daughter engendered a strong, dare we say, obsessive, reaction in us! Even after discussing it for hours, this complicated and complex portrayal of motherhood stays with us.** The Damn Doll. Where do we even start with this damn doll? It confounds Kate and causes Carinn to hate Leda for stealing it. (03:49)** Complicated Woman: Leda. We take on the impossible task of trying to imagine Leda without the damn doll. She’s ambitious, intelligent, tough, abrasive, isolated, and sometimes funny. She calls herself a selfish person and an unnatural mother. One thing is for sure, Leda has complicated our brain in the best possible way. Very few of our complicated women have engendered such strong feelings in us. (13:56)** Scenes. There are too many amazing scenes to discuss, but we gush over some of our favorites…Callie vs. Leda on the beach sparring with a piece of birthday cake (32:23); Leda’s dinner with Will and their discussion of what parents pass onto their children and flashbacks to young Leda feeling suffocated (35:00); the scenes with the hitchhiker and Leda being told not to say you don’t like to talking to your children on the phone and what that says about the judgments society places on mothers (43:10); when Leda confesses to Nina that she left her kids and it felt “amazing” (48:30); Nina and Leda having a moment that ends with a hatpin to the abdomen (57:30); the ending is open to interpretation and we have many! (61:52)** What’s Your Damage, Leda? There is no shortage of damage to discuss with Leda, from mommy issues to the way the repercussions of her choices as a mother haunt her to the present day. "Despite my breaking away, I haven't gone very far."** What She Said: Maggie Gyllenhaal & Elena Ferrante. We share our favorite first person quotes about the creation of this movie and its adaptation from Ferrante’s novella.** Takeaways. Our takeaways have Carinn playing shrink and asking why the dialogue is always about damage to children vs damage to mothers/women themselves. Kate puts herself on the couch and wonders whether she is an “unnatural mother”.
32 minutes | Jan 11, 2022
Nikki May & 'Wahala': Complicated Conversations Series
Today we’re chatting with Nikki May about her debut novel, WAHALA. Born in Bristol, raised in Lagos, and now living in Dorset, Nikki May is Nigerian-British. Wahala, which in West Africa is a word for trouble, has been called a “contemporary friendship novel with a crime twist.” It was inspired by a long lunch with friends.Listen to our episode while you wait for your copy of WAHALA to arrive.
45 minutes | Jan 3, 2022
SIDEBAR: Marriage & Divorce Are Both Complicated (and we love it)
We discuss the many narratives around marriage and divorce, with examples from Tom Brady and Gisele, as well as divorce guru Adele.
46 minutes | Dec 27, 2021
Being The Ricardos & Lucille Ball
We had no idea what a badass Lucille Ball was! Her accomplishments made our jaw drop but it was her relationship that held our hearts and minds captive.
44 minutes | Dec 16, 2021
Station Eleven Recap Episode One: Kindness Can Be Complicated and Humanity Wins The Day
Station Eleven Recap Episode One: Kindness Can Be Complicated and Humanity Wins The Day
34 minutes | Dec 12, 2021
Succession Recap Season 3 Finale: I Have You Beat
No matter how many clues the writers leave, no matter how smart we think we are, this show is our Logan Roy: it has us beat. Damn, we did not see any of this coming and we didn't even know how badly we wanted it. We'll be over here playing with our Toy Soldiers (cue Spotify: Eminem or the original Martika? Both. It's going to take us a long time to recover -- and wait for Season 4).
73 minutes | Dec 6, 2021
Succession Recap 5-8: Kendall Roy Is Drowning
Kendall Roy is drowning, but have we moved from the metaphorical to the literal? We have SOO many thoughts on these four episodes, including reference to Taylor Swift's All Too Well -- the Roys excel in delivering lines that are "casually cruel in the name of being honest." The writers continue to share their brilliance and we are lapping it up.
65 minutes | Nov 30, 2021
SIDEBAR: Adele's Divorce Album '30'
We’re back with a sidebar -- this time we’re talking about another female singer and songwriter -- the one and only, ADELE. While sidebars are billed as conversations incidental to our main content of books, movies and TV shows, Adele’s 30 reminds us that these sidebars are really all part of the same ongoing conversation and exploration of the same themes we love to delve into on our regular episodes!** Divorce, Baby. Adele has dubbed this her divorce album and we start by discussing how happy we are that Adele and other women are expanding the conversation around these very relatable experiences. (02:49)** The Shuffle Controversy. Adele asked Spotify to turn off the shuffle feature and, of course, Carinn and I have different approaches on how to listen to an album. (07:07)** What’s Your Damage, Adele? You can’t talk about this album without discussing the greater context of Adele’s damage and what was happening to her personally. (13:40)** Songs. We dive into the tracks that we love the most and discuss which ones we find relatable and why. (29:48)** Gateway To The Cosmos. All hail the new captain of our astrology ship -- Adele. We chat about Adele’s very public discussion of her Saturn’s Return, the tumult and the transformation that comes with that, and how much the stars have factored into this rebirth of Adele. (50:26)
84 minutes | Nov 23, 2021
Carinn & Kate Take The Mic: Complicated Conversations Series
We have a very special episode in honor of our two-year anniversary. Today we are having the most complicated conversation of all...we are interviewing one another. So welcome to Complicated Conversations: Carinn & Kate Take The Mic. That’s right, we are each taking the mic and asking the other questions. By the end, you’re either going to love us or hate us because really what’s the point of anything in between? ** “Scenes” From Our Star-Crossed Friendship. Hear our origin story, which spans decades and is essentially a long story of “meet and miss.” We’ll take you on scenes from high school, Boston College, Fordham Law School, BigLaw in NYC, and writing a novel together. And of course, Emily Giffin had something to do with bringing us together. (02:30).** Pop Fiction Women Is Born. Listen to hear the initial spark that ignited the podcast. (20:50)** What We Said. We ask each other about some of our favorite episodes, which ones surprised us the most, which ones we learned the most from, the episode that sticks with us the most, our most cited quote from the female creators and the creator we deep dove into most feverishly. (28:59) ** What’s Our Damage? and Astrology. It’s back on the couch for us both, where our damage overlaps (hello mommy issues!) and where our damage actually compliments each other. Of course, we talk about how our wounds are revealed on our birth charts. (54:08) ** Growing Pains. Listen to hear about the trials and tribulations of actually starting a podcast. (60:20)** Crystal Ball. We look into the future and ask each other about our hopes and dreams for the podcast...dream guests, dream episodes, and the ways we intend to level up. (65:11)** Takeaways. It’s a mutual lovefest for each other and what this podcast has meant to us. (74:50)Follow us on Instagram and Facebook @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at www.popfictionwomen.com. Stay Complicated!
77 minutes | Nov 16, 2021
SIDEBAR: Taylor Swift Red's Album & All Too Well Short Film
We debate whether this is a great love story album, discuss the short films she's released, we vilify and defend Jake G, we give TSwift credit for her boss lady movies, and of course we talk astrology. But first, we fan girl over TSwift's lyrics.
49 minutes | Nov 10, 2021
Tracey Garvis Graves & 'Heard It In A Love Song': Complicated Conversations Series
Today we have the pleasure of chatting with Tracey Garvis Graves, the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, USA Today, and international bestselling author of contemporary fiction, to discuss her new novel, Heard It In A Love Song. Tracy begins by telling us about how she wrote the book she wanted to read about how to start over again after a divorce.** Layla, the novel’s complicated protagonist, finds herself on the other side of a divorce and wondering who she is now and how she can rediscover those parts of herself she has lost. Tracey discusses her development of Layla and how she wanted to explore how women often put certain parts of themselves or their lives aside. (02:48)** Music is key in this novel. We were super impressed with the songs Tracey wrote for her fictional band, which has major Daisy Jones & The Six vibes. The title of this novel is Heard It In A Love Song, so we loved hearing how strong Tracey’s connection is to music and lyrics. Listen to hear us geek out together about Taylor Swift! (08:13).** We talk with Tracey about her use of dual-timelines to show the painful details of the end of the characters’ prior relationships. (16:00)** Heard It In A Love Song is a friends-to-lovers story that reads like a warm, slow burn. Tracey shares with us how the pandemic contributed to her choice to explore this type of romance, as well as her thoughts on happy endings (for now). (20:45)** Tracey tells us about her writing process, from outline to zero draft to first draft and beyond. Find out which of her books was the hardest to write. Her advice is to wait for the strong idea to start talking loudly. (26:23)** Tracey shares how she finally decided to write her first novel at age 42 because she wanted something for herself. (31:45)** We finally found someone potentially more obsessed with astrology than we are! A+ for Tracey! (36:07)** Tracey shares what she’s loving right now, which includes “happy things” and TikTok! (42:28)Follow us on Instagram and Facebook @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at www.popfictionwomen.com. Stay Complicated!
83 minutes | Nov 9, 2021
Succession Recap 2-4: Nothing Is A Line, Everything, Everywhere is Always Moving
Nothing Is A Line, Everything, Everywhere is Always Moving. Get used to it.
90 minutes | Nov 1, 2021
'Promising Young Woman' & Emerald Fennell with guest Caro Burke
Carinn and Kate are joined by special guest and friend, Caro Burke, a writer whose MFA thesis examined the portrayal of both target and perpetrator of sexual assault in contemporary literature. We are thrilled to have her with us to discuss this game-changer of a movie. ** Bait and switch? We start by discussing what our expectations were for this movie from the trailer vs the final product. (03:15)** Complicated Woman: Cassie. Even the character’s name, Cassandra, is a nod to Greek mythology with a deeper meaning you need to know. (07:58)** Scenes. We discuss so many of our favorite scenes: (1) the opening sequence where Cassie ominously announces - “I said what are you doing?” (09:36); (2) the two scenes involving Alison Brie and Connie Briton that reveal so much about Cassie’s character, but also about how other women are complicit (14:43); (3) the falling in love sequence with Bo Burnham that is straight out of a romcom (23:22); (4) the soliloquy at the end that made Carey Mulligan want to do this movie in the first place and that shocking ending (33:50).** What’s Your Damage, Heather? We discuss Cassie as an addict, which was a surprising element of her damage straight from creator Emerald Fennell. (45:02)** What She said - Emerald Fennell. We deep dive into this multi-talented, Oscar-winning actress, screenwriter, director and producer for some amazing quotes and things to think about. Are women allowed to imagine things? (47:47)** Who Won The Movie? For us, it’s the aesthetics, hands down: the set design, the wardrobe, the music, in other words, the beautifully wrapped candy that is this movie. (55:10)** Takeaways - The Burke Test. We put Promising Young Woman through the factors of the “Burke Test,” which is a test Caro defined for exploring depictions of sexual violence in contemporary literature. Move over Bechdel test, we’ve got the Burke Test for you! (59:22) ** For Carinn’s takeaway she raises the villain aspect … the nuanced portrayals of villains and “bad guys” in this movie. There are no clear answers, which adds to the brilliance of the film. (77:22)** For her takeaway, Kate returns to a favorite theme...female friendship and how this movie is a love letter from Cassie to Nina. (84:35)
79 minutes | Oct 25, 2021
'Thelma & Louise' & Callie Khouri
Thelma & Louise is a true classic that not only holds up thirty years later, but actually still feels fresh and relevant. We’re not sure how to feel about that fact as women, but for purposes of the podcast we were amazed by how much this movie resonated with us still.** Complicated Women: Thelma and Louise. Thelma saw the most growth and change from start to finish, while Louise revealed more parts of herself. (05:22)** Who do we relate to more? Kate starts as Louise and ends as Thelma, but Carinn finds relatable parts of both women. (10:24)** Scenes. We each choose some of our favorites: the opening scenes of the movie that show their personalities and circumstances (14:07); the attempted rape scene (16:20); the chemistry between Thelma and Brad Pitt (24:26); Thelma’s empowering moment as a badass robber (31:12); Louise and Jimmy (32:57); road trip moments that produced killer quotes (37:50); and the retribution they serve up on the long haul driver (42:07). ** Who won the movie? Other than the iconic ending, which was a clear winner, it was too hard to limit the winning elements to a single thing! (45:33)** Crystal ball/What If’s. We contemplate what if Thelma and Louise didn’t drive off the cliff - where would they be and who would they be with? We also talk casting what if’s because the list of A-list actors associated with this movie is remarkable. (53:04)** What She Said: Callie Khouri. We deep dive into interviews with this Oscar-winning screenwriter and share how she developed this script at age 30, what it felt like writing it and whether things have improved for women in Hollywood since her debut. (62:55)** Takeaways. We talk about the intimacy of female friendship, being seen, and how this movie reminds us of the importance of what we’re doing on this podcast: taking women seriously. (70:27)Follow us on Instagram and Facebook @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at www.popfictionwomen.com. Stay Complicated!
90 minutes | Oct 19, 2021
Succession Recap: Family Drama and Feminine Psychology Gets Suited Up
Kate finds her way into this white male show through the women writers, while Carinn sees the typical archetypes reversed. We discuss where the Roy family stands after two seasons and what our hopes and expectations are for Season 3.
45 minutes | Oct 18, 2021
Sera Gamble & 'YOU': Complicated Conversations Series
**Major Season 2 spoilers, but NO Season 3 spoilers**Sera Gamble is a television writer, showrunner and producer, best known for her work on the Netflix series You, the Syfy series The Magicians and The CW series Supernatural. YOU is one of the most watched shows ever on Netflix and has just been renewed for Season Four!** Sera shares what she saw in the very first pages of the novel by Caroline Kepnes that immediately told her this would make a great TV show. (01:48)** We discuss the adaptation process of book to screen and Sera gives us the inside scoop on how it all works. (03:30)** Let’s talk about complicated Love, Love Quinn that is. Our heroine will do anything it takes for the people she loves, even if what it takes is murder. Sera reveals how making a character do such extreme, morally reprehensible things actually provides the freedom to explore her full self in an honest and real way. (05:00) ** When Joe finds out that Love is like him, he freaks out. It takes him some time and convincing to accept things in her that he does himself -- and that ingrained instinct for double standard is something we spend a lot of time picking apart on this podcast so we loved hearing Sera’s perspective on this! (07:21)** We are always talking about being seen with a capital S and Joe and Love at times really SEE each other, but also see a fantasy. We had to ask Sera whether these two are a match made in heaven or a complete ticking time bomb? Maybe it’s both? And that whole being seen thing...well, let’s just say we’re on the same page as Sera on this one (hint: it’s complicated)! (09:25)** Both Love and Joe learned how to love in Season Two, really love. But neither of them know how to trust. Season 3 has them trying, how successful are they? (13:17)** Sera is a master of creating shows that subvert genres, while also staying true to the core parts that matter. We loved hearing how she does that and after talking to her maybe we need to add some more horror movies to our watch list. (15:04)** Love is pregnant and baby Henry arrives for Season Three so we confirmed that mommy issues are coming our way...yes please! (17:36)** Season Three is taking Joe and Love to the ‘burbs and Sera explains the built in tension the setting provides, just as much as LA did for Season Two and NYC for Season One. (20:47)** Kate and Sera discuss their mutual connection with unicorns (yes you read that right). (25:36)** Not to be left out, Carinn and Sera talk witches and of course astrology. (29:32)** Sera is a generous writer who consistently shares her advice with aspiring writers. We loved hearing her explain why that is so important to her to do that and to normalize rejection. (32:44)** Sera shares what she’s loving right now, what provides her inspiration, and how the pandemic is going to seep into content in all genres. (38:49)** We just had to return to astrology and Sera reveals the question she could ask of anyone who works with her. (40:46)Follow us on Instagram and Facebook @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at www.popfictionwomen.com. Stay Complicated!
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