62 minutes | Jul 10th 2020

No False Modesty, Interview with Michael Ian Black

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Victoria chats about current reads and favorite books before being joined by her guest.

How Michael's dreams of acting first left writing on the back burner and then led to other creative ventures, the role of desperation and fear, hands in all the "cookie pies", learning to open up, writing children's books, the creative process, discipline and cultivation, trusting the process, first drafts and revisions, being a public figure in the social media age, and more! Listen in. 

This originally streamed 7/11/2020 on Instagram live.

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