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10 minutes | Jul 15, 2015
The Final Episode of No Sidebar … And the Start of Something New
Like all good things in life, this podcast has come to an end … kinda. As we close this season of the No Sidebar podcast, Darrell Vesterfelt and I talk about the future … specifically, the new podcast we’re starting together. Rainmaker.FM is Brought to You By Discover why more than 80,000 companies in 135 countries choose WP Engine for managed WordPress hosting. Start getting more from your site today! In this 10-minute episode we discuss: The disconnect between the No Sidebar podcast and the website Why we ve chosen to move onto a new adventure A little bit about what to expect in the coming weeks The 80 s, Scott Ian of Anthrax, and Michael Stipe of REM Listen to No Sidebar below ... Download MP3 Subscribe by RSS Subscribe in iTunes The Show Notes         NoSidebar.com The Transcript The Final Episode of No Sidebar And the Start of Something New Brian Gardner: Hey, everyone. Welcome to the No Sidebar podcast. I’m your host, Brian Gardner, and I’m here to discuss the struggles around being (and becoming) a creative entrepreneur. Together, we’ll … The Disconnect Between the No Sidebar Podcast and the Website Darrell Vesterfelt: Let’s talk about that for a second, Brian. Brian Gardner: Struggles? What? Darrell Vesterfelt: Because the podcast doesn’t seem to be the same as the No Sidebar website. Brian Gardner: Are you talking about that Tweet I got the other day? Darrell Vesterfelt: Yeah, talk to me about that. What’s going on? Brian Gardner: Well, we’re going to air our dirty laundry here on the show. By dirty laundry, I’m going to talk about something that’s bittersweet to me. I’m going to cut right to the chase. Thank you, first of all, everyone, for listening to the show. Second of all, a few weeks ago, I got a Tweet. Someone Tweeted at me that the No Sidebar podcast and the No Sidebar website are very disconnected. I’ll be honest with you, my initial reaction was do not reply and get really mad about that. Then I realized the reason I had that reaction was there was a tremendous amount of truth to that. It’s funny. When I started the podcast, I had ideas of it going somewhere. At the time, the website was heading in a direction that I thought was going to be congruent, but over the last few months, four months I guess, the site has digressed to a place that’s gone away from the original idea. That’s okay for the website, but the podcast has always felt like I’ve had to really stretch to connect the two. The Tweet made a real impact on where I’ve been at. Why We ve Chosen to Move On to a New Adventure Brian Gardner: Also, it happened right around the time we were recording our two shows, and I realized something that I had been wanting for the first 18 episodes, which was that wing man, that goose, someone to co-host with me. New to podcasting, like the interview format, but I was also really excited about how natural it felt to have conversation with you. You and I are bros. We’re good buddies, and we have a lot of stuff in common, business and personal. We started talking, and we’ve made some decisions. Darrell Vesterfelt: It’s time for a DTR I think, Brian. Brian Gardner: We are going to define our relationship, the relationship here. It s bittersweet for me. The bottom line is this. The No Sidebar podcast is going to be ending. That’s the bad news. The good news is you and I have such chemistry, on screen and off screen. We are going to be starting another podcast around something that you and I are both very passionate about — entrepreneurial stuff, which includes membership sites, building an audience, connecting via social media, and stuff that’s a little bit more, I’m going to use the word ‘business-y.’ It is a little more business-y. Darrell Vesterfelt: When you started the Sidebar podcast, you talk about the struggles of becoming a creative entrepreneur. I think our show is going to fall in line with that a little bit more. We have to move it away from No Sidebar because No Sidebar is about living a simple life, about simplicity, about minimalism. So it just feels like the two are becoming disconnected, so we really need to disconnect the name and focus on this new podcast. We’re not really breaking up with people. We’re just focusing. It’s not a bad thing. It’s a good thing. We’re not cancelling something. We’re just growing and changing it into something else, which will be really fun I think. Brian Gardner: Yeah. We live in a time where evolution and being agile, such an industry for agile movement and shifting and changing and stuff like that and you’re right. It isn’t anything that we’re specifically ending. It does feel like that a little bit to me, and that’s okay because I think it does need to happen. I do realize that the website and the podcast were two different things. They had the same name, which, in honesty, probably presented some confusion, and I get that. I don’t consider it a failure. We all learn as we go. More than anything, this gives you and I a chance to start something with autonomy. This is going to be our thing, and it’s going to be an awesome thing. I know we’ve got people that we can have on the show. Kind of like the two guys up in the Muppets sitting up in the balcony. I love the idea of being able to talk candidly week after week about stuff that we would normally otherwise talk about. Darrell Vesterfelt: We’ll have some awesome guests on, on the new show. We’ll get some cool interviews with people who are doing and creating online businesses that actually work and some people that we look up to. It will be a fun show. Brian Gardner: When I say bittersweet about this, as soon as we made the decision to do this, and maybe because we had asked a few folks to leave reviews on iTunes, there have been a few. They’ve been affirming in terms of you and I being together. Even this morning when we jumped on, I was like, “Man, you should read the reviews.” It makes me sad to think that we’re going to not do No Sidebar because people are just starting to get excited about the podcast now that you’ve been on. We’ve had some good chemistry and some great conversations. I really do hope that people will follow us over to the new podcast because it’s very relevant. There are opportunities out there for entrepreneurs that they don’t even know exist. This is going to be something that we get to talk about. I really can’t wait. It’s probably going to be a few weeks. We’ve got to kick off and get some shows under our belt, but I definitely am looking forward to it. A Little Bit About What to Expect in the Coming Weeks Darrell Vesterfelt: Me too, man. No Sidebar is an amazing thing. You said that there are just over 8,000 people involved in the community now, which is amazing. My wife and I would consider ourselves minimalists and essentialists, so No Sidebar has resonated with us so much. What I’m really excited about for the podcast is I think a lot of people who are listening to this want to actually make their businesses work in a way that it’s not currently working. You and I are going to have conversations about, like you just said, there are things that people can do in the online business space that they don’t even know about yet. We’re going to talk about cool projects that people are doing. We’re going to talk about strategies, tips, and things that we’re doing with you at Copyblogger and me and the clients that I’m working with. We’re just going to talk about making things work, actually working, and actually making progress for goals of making a sustainable business, turning our passions into dollars, and things like that. I’m really excited about that because it feels like No Sidebar is ethereal. What we’re going to do is going to be very practical. There’s going to be very practical takeaways. There’s going to be very practical tips. We’re going to have conversations about things that actually work and actually you can dig into and dive into. You can listen to the show, and then implement it into your business, into your life that day. Brian Gardner: This is probably a good time to cue up the song Happy Trails. Back when I was in college and we used to hang out at country western bars, they would always play that as the bar was getting ready to close. They would play Happy Trails, and everyone would get sad because they had such a good evening. Darrell Vesterfelt: Last call. Brian Gardner: Exactly. They enjoyed the conversation and stuff like that. I wanted to just personally thank each and every one of the listeners out there for listening, for hanging with me as I’ve cut my teeth and learned some things about podcasting, which I hopefully will take into the next one that Darrell and I will be starting. What can I say? This is going to be a fun thing for you and I. I know we’re both looking forward to it. I hope listener s come over and follow us there, leave us good ratings, and encourage us because this is going to be for them, you know? Darrell Vesterfelt: Yeah. We’re for the people. Brian Gardner: For the people. With that said, we are going to be signing off. I know the big question will be in the minds of everybody, is there going to ever be a resuscitation of the No Sidebar podcast to align with the website? I don’t have the answer to that question. If it happens, I will do it. Right now, my focus is on work. My focus in on the podcast Darrell and I are starting, and from there, we’ll take it. Darrell Vesterfelt: It’ll be a ? The ’80
26 minutes | Jul 1, 2015
The (Unfinished) Story of an Accidental Entrepreneur
A story of one creative who followed his passion and built a company without a business plan. Rainmaker.FM is Brought to You By Discover why more than 80,000 companies in 135 countries choose WP Engine for managed WordPress hosting. Start getting more from your site today! In the journey of every person who wants to build a business online, there comes a point where you need to make a decision. Usually that decision is surrounded by fear, and in some cases that fear can be crippling. In this 26-minute episode Darrell Vesterfelt and I discuss: The two-minute version of how StudioPress started The fears I faced along the way What challenges I ve faced over the last year Transitioning out the old and in with the new Opportunities, ideas and what the future holds Listen to No Sidebar below ... Download MP3 Subscribe by RSS Subscribe in iTunes The Show Notes Darrell on Twitter StudioPress NoSidebar.com The Transcript The (Unfinished) Story of an Accidental Entrepreneur Brian Gardner: Hey, everyone. Welcome to the No Sidebar podcast. Here I am, Brian Gardener, your host. I am here, as always, to discuss the struggles around being (and becoming) a creative entrepreneur. Together, we are going to identify what stands in the way of you building and growing your online business. Here we are, another Wednesday. Even though we didn’t get any ratings on iTunes last week, I’m going to bring Darrell Vesterfelt back on the show. That’s a subtle hint. It makes a difference. We jump higher. We do more flips in the cage if, in fact, you go and give us a rating and say something nice. It helps the show. Anyway, Darrell, welcome back to the show. Darrell Vesterfelt: Thanks for having me. I think we’re going to punish everybody today. We’re only going to go for 18 minutes today to punish them for not giving us any ratings. Brian Gardner: This is the No No Sidebar. The abbreviated No Sidebar podcast show. Darrell Vesterfelt: We’re just going to keep taking away minutes until we get some reviews on iTunes. Brian Gardner: So what in 17, 18 weeks from now, it will be the one-minute show? Darrell Vesterfelt: Give the people what they want I guess. Brian Gardner: There you go. Here we are, back in the saddle. Last week, I had a really great time. Darrell Vesterfelt: We spent the whole time talking about me, and I felt bad because you’re always just interviewing people. I want to interview you today. I want your story. Brian Gardner: Oh, come on now. Darrell Vesterfelt: Yeah. I remember the first time you and I traveled together. We had been friends for about six or eight months, and we were going to Colorado to spend some time with some friends. We’re sitting in the airport. I said, “Brian, I don’t even know how StudioPress started.” I actually don’t think I’m the only one. I want to interview you today about being an entrepreneur. Brian Gardner: Oh come on. Darrell Vesterfelt: I’m taking over this show. This is now the No Sidebar show, hosted by Darrell Vesterfelt, interviewing Brian Gardner. I love the fact that you’re so humble and that you have spent a lot of time interviewing other folks about the successes they’ve had. I think there’s a great conversation we can have today around you starting StudioPress because I love the story. It’s so amazing. I think a lot of people don’t know that it almost started, not almost, it was an accident. You started this whole company on accident. I want to hear about it a little bit. Give us the two-minute background about how StudioPress started — where you were at, what you were doing. You were working a very boring, normal 9 to 5 job when this all happened. Give us a little bit of the background on that. The Two-Minute Version of How StudioPress Started Brian Gardner: If you want more than the two-minute story, earlier in the season, I did a show, kind of a monologue about fear and how this all got started. I’ll give you the two-minute version. That basically is this. If you have the stopwatch, just get it going, and hit me off at two minutes. For 10 years, I was a project manager at an architectural firm. I didn’t not love what I did, but after 10 years of being in the office and doing the same Groundhog Day thing, I knew I was heading in a direction of needing something new. I tried to formulate a position within the company, but it just wasn’t happening. As a byproduct of that boredom, I started blogging on WordPress. As a guy that likes to tinker around with stuff, I started messing around with the themes, which is the visual skin of a website, and making it my own. I was just writing personally as a byproduct of the boredom and just needing something new, or some sort of meaning, or whatever. I started to freelance from that with WordPress design. It was fun. It was something new. It was the “web,” and I thought it was that dream of, “Oh, wouldn’t it be great to work from a coffee shop and do web stuff.” That wasn’t happening. Darrell Vesterfelt: And you were getting paid real dollars to work on the Internet, which, back then, that was kind of like the wild, wild West. Brian Gardner: Yeah, for sure. There wasn’t an expected income or anything like that. It was just from time to time, people would write me and say, “Hey, I’m using some of your themes. I’d like to change it up a little bit. Can I pay you to do it?” I had no idea what I was doing back then because I didn’t have any degree in business school or whatever. I was just flying commando and doing some changes and charging what I thought people would expect to pay for them. Darrell Vesterfelt: What were you charging? Brian Gardner: I want to say it was $50 an hour. Because I wanted to acquire business at that time, I was probably undercutting myself. I was just like, “The more jobs I get, the better. Let me just kind of low ball it so that I can get in.” Stuff like that. It got to a point where it was becoming a little bit more and more. I had to be a little bit more selective, and I increased the rates at that time. Darrell Vesterfelt: You were doing all of this at night while you were working a full-time 9 to 5 job? Brian Gardner: There were some times that I got stuff done throughout the course of the day, but not much. That was just more of the email correspondence piece because I was on email all the time. Then came this one guy, who I talked about earlier in the season, the real estate guy who wanted a full custom design. He rejected it and needed something more simple, which the audience here at No Sidebar could appreciate. What I was left with was, ultimately, the WordPress theme that not only started the premium WordPress theme space, but also launched the company StudioPress before I even knew it was going to happen. I had a little bit of an audience back then. I asked them, “Hey, would anybody buy this theme?” It was something that wasn’t being done in the space. Everything, at that point, was just free for download. I don’t know if it was that nobody thought they could, or just nobody thought to do it. I was like, “Well, let’s see if somebody would buy this.” Hundreds of people left comments saying that they would. I realized even without a business degree, that was an opportunity. Darrell Vesterfelt: I love it. When you asked that question and people wanted to buy the WordPress theme, did you think this was the start of a business or was this just, “I have this thing, and I want to see if someone’s interested in it.” Brian Gardner: It was more the latter. I thought, if anything, it would just fund some vacations that we would do. I figured, “Okay. A few thousand people …,” or not even that, “just a few hundred people would buy it. Maybe I’d make $5,000-$10,000 off of it. That would be great, and I would continue doing my job. Shelly and I would be able to go to some vacations and stuff like that.” It was kind of cool. At that time, our son Zack was young. I want to say he was maybe two or three at that time. He was at an in-home daycare, which, of course, costs money. These are the things that, when you start to dabble into that type of space where you make a little bit of extra money on the side, it was paying for that. Gave us more money to do a few things. I was shocked. The first month in sales were, as I mentioned earlier on that episode, it was $10 000 in sales the first month. I was like, “Hey, this is great. That’s like one or two vacations.” It was a great ride. What I did not expect, though, was that month two brought $20 000 in sales. Month three, $40,000 dollars in sales, and month four, $80,000 dollars in sales. At that point, I didn’t expect that it would double endlessly, but I realized, “Wow, I just made $150,000 dollars or whatever — in four months. This is not just a side project.” Darrell Vesterfelt: Yeah. It’s probably a little bit more than what you’re making at your day job, huh? Brian Gardner: Three times as much, I think. Darrell Vesterfelt: Yeah. We talked last week a lot about ideas and having lots and lots of ideas. Even just in the two minutes that you’re talking about this process, you had the idea to tinker around with WordPress. You had the idea to do some freelance work for clients. You had the idea that this failed custom design wasn’t going to work, so you had the idea to sell it. It’s ideas, ideas, ideas, ideas. It’s like you were just following all of these ideas and seeing which ones would stick. The freelance stuff didn’t stick, and the selling WordPress themes did. Brian Gardner: Yeah. I think it’s importan
26 minutes | Jun 24, 2015
Why Clarity is Crucial to Becoming a Successful Digital Entrepreneur
How the Authority Rainmaker conference paved the way to a six-figure line of business for one attendee … Rainmaker.FM is Brought to You By Discover why more than 80,000 companies in 135 countries choose WP Engine for managed WordPress hosting. Start getting more from your site today! In order to succeed in the business world, identifying and embracing your skills are crucial. Without them, you run the risk of creating a business that simply fails. In this 26-minute episode Darrell Vesterfelt and I discuss: Allison, their story and being entrepreneurs What it s like to work at home by himself Ideas, ideas, and more ideas What is Author Launch, and the target audience Finding clarity and identifying your skills The power of networking in the business world Authority Rainmaker and the impact it had Listen to No Sidebar below ... Download MP3 Subscribe by RSS Subscribe in iTunes The Show Notes Darrell on Twitter Author Launch Authority Rainmaker Conference NoSidebar.com The Transcript Why Clarity is Crucial to Becoming a Successful Digital Entrepreneur Voiceover: This is Rainmaker.FM, the digital marketing podcast network. It’s built on the Rainmaker Platform, which empowers you to build your own digital marketing and sales platform. Start your free 14-day trial at RainmakerPlatform.com. Brian Gardner: Let’s talk about our brocation that s coming up here in December. Me, you, Joshua Becker. Darrell Vesterfelt: Johnny boy. Brian Gardner: Yes, Mark Chernoff for sure. Five of us for sure going, and then hopefully a few more. Darrell Vesterfelt: I’m just going to say it out loud, I want Jeff Goins to come because he keeps talking about how he wants to come, and then he’s still non-committal about it. The gauntlet has been laid, Goins. Come for brocation. Brian Gardner: Okay. This show is not about that. Maybe we should introduce you. Welcome to No Sidebar. We’re having a little bit of fun today. I’m here with Allyson Vesterfelt’s husband, also known as Darrell, who really is Darrell Vesterfelt. He does have a name. He’s not just Allison’s husband. Darrell Vesterfelt: You always do that to me, man. Brian Gardner: I know. I’ve got to stop. I have a complex that I have to do it that way. You have your own name — it’s household. You’ve got a lot of great things to talk about, to share. Darrell Vesterfelt: I am my own person, Brian. Brian Gardner: Apparently, this is now the Darrell Vesterfelt show. How about that? Anyway, welcome to No Sidebar. Everybody, this is another happy Wednesday as I always introduce the show. We are here to discuss the struggles around being (and becoming) creative entrepreneurs. Together, we identify what stands in the way of building your business and growing it fruitfully. Today, we’re just having some fun, a little conversation. Darrell, welcome to the show. Darrell Vesterfelt: Thanks for having me, man. Brian Gardner: Let’s just start this thing off. I always play off the Allison thing. For those who are devout listeners to the podcast, you know who Allison is. She wrote the book Packing Light, which indirectly helped launch this whole No Sidebar movement. She was on a number of episodes early on in the season and is a very frequent contributor over at NoSidebar.com. I want Darrell to have a chance to talk about who he is, set apart from Allison. Darrell Vesterfelt: That’s great. That’s my coming out party. I like this. Brian Gardner: Darrell, welcome to the show. Tell us who you are, where you live, what you do, and a little bit — not too much — of what you do because we’ll get to that later. Give us the 30-second DV story. Allison, Her and Darrell s Story, and Being Entrepreneurs Darrell Vesterfelt: We joke about it a lot saying that I’m Allison’s husband, but that’s really where it all started for me and a lot of respects. What I do is based primarily around the work that I did for my wife. When we met, it’s actually a fun story. We actually met on GoinsWriter.com, so we owe our marriage to Jeff Goins. I joke with him about that a lot. She wrote an article four years ago, and I read it. Then eight months later we are married. That’s probably a story for another day because it feels that it could fill a whole episode. When we met, she was the artistic writer type and I was more of the business producer type, kind of behind the scenes. We do joke about that a lot as I am Allison’s husband, but that’s really where I started learning my job is supporting creative entrepreneurs to become entrepreneurs I guess. I did it with her, helped her get a book contract, helped her build an online course, helped her grow her following online, and have been the behind-the-scenes guy for her and for other folks as well, which has just been really fun process. Now, I serve as a teammate to creatives and help them in their entrepreneurial endeavors. Brian Gardner: Your wife was your first client per se. Maybe not even paid in that matter, but she helped you cut your teeth I guess, right? Darrell Vesterfelt: Yeah. It’s actually how I tried to get my foot in the door with the conversation with her. I was really attracted to her, and I said something about helping her set up her WordPress site. That was like, “Oh my gosh, I’ve been struggling with that so much. I would love your help.” I remember that I was in as far as the relationship goes when she handed me over the password to her site to help her out. Brian Gardner: Now, that’s extremely geeky come-on sentence type of thing. Instead of “you smell good” or “your eyes are amazing,” you said, “I will help you make money and become something.” She said, instead of something romantic as, “Oh, you had me from hello,” it’s, “Here’s my password.” Darrell Vesterfelt: Yeah. I knew that I was in. It was like that if you jump, I jump moment. She throws her password out to this guy that she has never met before, and I receive it as the greatest love gesture in the history of our relationship. Brian Gardner: It’s a very geeky and now very Titanic. Darrell Vesterfelt: Yeah. Brian Gardner: All right, so Allison is a creative writer. Up until a few months ago, she was freelancing on her own, which means she worked at home. You were there to support her, and you were trying to identify what you wanted to do on an official level other than just support her. That means that you were also at home. Now, I can see how creatives and non-creatives in the context of a home and a relationship could possibly be oil and water during work hours. What’s it like to be at home with someone who’s creative when you’re not necessarily wired that way? Darrell on What It s Like to Work at Home with His Polar Opposite Darrell Vesterfelt: Yeah. That’s a really interesting question, Brian. Not only are we creative and ‘non-creative,’ we’re also husband and wife. I remember early on, there were several conversations as we try to figure out the tension between high-level thinker creative and then very practical thinker entrepreneur where I would try to push her in directions, or I’d try to tell her things that she should be doing, or I’d try to reign her in a little bit — which is really hard to do for a creative person. You can really easily stifle someone’s creativity by putting hard lines and hard boundaries and things like that around. I remember several conversations that we first had where she would stop typing, look over at me, glaring at me out of the corner of her eye, and say, “I am not your intern.” That’s fun. It was an interesting thing, man. I think as a married couple, it adds a level of complexity to it even more because we want to have a romantic and loving relationship. Then at the same time, we have to have a professional relationship, so there’s lots of dynamics that we’ve had to work through over the years of working from home, working together, being basically on opposite ends of the spectrum as far as practicality and entrepreneurship, strategy, and then artist. Bringing those two things together is a really difficult thing, but also a really powerful thing when you can find a process. Brian Gardner: Yeah. I painted it a little bit like this is going to be a difficult thing for you guys, but in reality, if you guys have both been wallflowers and no one was there to help ship, you may not have anything online. You know what I mean? There’s that oil and water — probably a bad analogy to be honest, but it’s more of a complementary relationship when you have someone who is and someone who isn’t and they come together. It’s actually, in this case, probably better unequally yoked. Darrell Vesterfelt: We actually call it the artist and the producer. There are several artists and musicians and people who have amazing talent and amazing craft, but without a producer behind the scenes, their craft does not get seen by people. Brian Gardner: Is this an opportunity? I’m interrupting you because this is an opportunity for me to drop something about Begin Again with the whole creative artist and producer. That movie is a perfect example of someone who had the talent, didn’t have the discoverability, he came in, he took her, and the rest was history. Darrell Vesterfelt: Yeah. I agree completely. That’s a perfect image of what my relationship with Allison has been like and with several other clients has been like — where the ideas are there, the content is there. They could write for days, or they could create content or ideas for days. But it’s a matter of thinking through a strategy to get t
21 minutes | Jun 17, 2015
The Intersection of Minimalism and Running a Successful Online Business
Where business and pleasure mix in the life of an entrepreneur … Rainmaker.FM is Brought to You By Discover why more than 80,000 companies in 135 countries choose WP Engine for managed WordPress hosting. Start getting more from your site today! Years ago Courtney Carver was working a day job where she felt unsatisfied and was putting in too many hours. It was affecting her life at home as well as her health. She decided to make some intentional decisions with her life — she turned to the fundamentals of minimalism, removed the unnecessary, and got down to business. In this 21-minute episode Courtney Carver and I discuss: The story behind her popular website Be More With Less How authenticity in business helps you connect quickly to the right people The evolution of the Project 333 movement How she built a business around a passion play Minimalism and how it s really just a personal mindset Listen to No Sidebar below ... Download MP3 Subscribe by RSS Subscribe in iTunes The Show Notes Be More With Less Project 333 CourtneyCarver.com Courtney on Twitter Dave Bruno s Quote NoSidebar.com The Transcript The Intersection of Minimalism and Running a Successful Online Business Brian Gardner: Okay, so let’s turn a corner. That’s a pretty good indication. Courtney Carver: And you’re like, In other news … Brian Gardner: Hey, everyone, welcome to the No Sidebar podcast. I am your host, Brian Gardner, and I’m here to discuss the struggles around being and becoming a creative entrepreneur. Together, we’ll identify what stands in the way of you building and growing your online business. No Sidebar is brought to you by the Rainmaker Platform, a complete website solution for writers, designers, podcasters, and other online entrepreneurs. Find out more, and take a free 14-day test drive at Rainmaker.FM/Platform. You might be noticing a trend around No Sidebar. Simple, intentional, clutter-free — these are words that are used to describe a lot of what we do and so on. The ideology applies to re-brand of the website that we recently went through, but it also carries out to the types of people we like to have here on the show. Today’s guest is a good friend of mine, someone who, like Joshua Becker, I had the very distinct pleasure of working with on their own site design. She’s the creator of the website called Be More with Less and a minimalist fashion movement called Project 333 and was recently seen here in Chicago on WGN TV. Please welcome my friend, Courtney Carver. Courtney how are you doing today? Courtney Carver: Hi, Brian. I’m great. Thanks for having me today. Brian Gardner: Yeah, it’s so good to have you on the show. I know we have a lot in common, and we’ve talked many times on Skype. I felt like it was time to bring you on this show. There’s lots of your life that I want to talk about, so without going too fast, I want to get right into it. Courtney Carver: Yeah, let’s jump in. The Story behind Her Popular Website Be More with Less Brian Gardner: So Be More with Less, this is your blog. It’s something you started, which is about simplifying life and really living. Beyond that, it s grown into a thriving community of like-minded folks. Can you tell us how that came about and a little bit behind the story there? Courtney Carver: Yes, I started the blog in 2010, May of 2010, while I was working full-time in advertising sales, ironically enough. Four years prior to that I had been diagnosed with MS after many of years, decades even, of a really stressful, busy lifestyle that probably didn’t look very different from many other people. There was information coming from everywhere, too many things to do. I would work through feeling sick, and I felt like I had to keep pushing and pushing and going and going and trying to make ends meet. While that MS diagnosis wasn’t my first wake-up call, it was the one that stopped me in my tracks and gave me permission to evaluate what was happening. Why had I created the life that I did, and how could I make it different and better? How could I live well in the face of chronic illness? That was really my catalyst for simplifying, and the blog is that story and an extension of that. Brian Gardner: It’s interesting that things, diagnoses, deaths, whatever — not that everyone has those depths of these types of things — but it seems like the story of a minimalist or someone who’s gone out to intentionally to live more simply, there’s some story or nugget or something that says, Hey, this was my wake-up moment. My wife threatened to leave me because I was working too much. In your case it was a health issue. But I’m pretty sure that behind the scenes of every person that is going through this there is that ah-ha moment where they realize enough is enough. I’ve let this go too far. I’ve spent too much. I’ve focused too much on the wrong side of things. It’s really great, from your perspective, to come in and tell your story, because it s as authentic as it gets. This is your story that you’re telling. There’s nothing that anybody can say against that. Obviously, it resonates with so many people because you’ve built a very successful blog. You’ve built a community, probably as a by-product of that. My guess is that you didn’t go out and say, “I’m going to go out and build a community of like-minded folks. It just happened as a result of you and your authentic story. Is that right? How Authenticity in Business Helps You Connect Quickly to the Right People Courtney Carver: A little bit. I really was excited to connect with other people who were going through a similar journey. While the catalyst of that journey may look very different, I’ve learned so much from the people that I’ve connected with through my blog and through other people’s blogs and social media. It’s just a really small world in the big Internet world when you really start talking about what matters to you. I think that’s a surefire way to connect quickly to the right people. When I say that, I just mean the people that resonate with your story and that you can learn from and grow with. Brian Gardner: The thing I like about what you just said is that it was you learning from the people, rather than them learning from you. After all, this is your property, your web property. The types of communities that thrive are the ones that feel very symbiotic in that you tell your story, and they resonate. But it goes back and forth. There’s not a teacher-student type of thing. For me, No Sidebar is becoming that type of community and environment, too. As much as I’m sharing what I’ve gone through from a design standpoint, a life standpoint, and the changes I’ve decided to make. I hope that resonates with other people, but I hope to learn from other people. You’re a great example of that type of relationship where I learn from you and what you ve gone through. We’re like-minded, and we have mutual friends like Joshua Becker and others in that space, and I really do hope that it’s a lot of us learning from each other rather than becoming us trying to teach everybody our way. Courtney Carver: It has to be that way, for me especially, because I obviously didn’t know what I was doing up until that point. I was kind of focused on just getting by and figuring it out as I went. Now, to have such great connection information and things to consider and that space to consider those things, it feels like this enormous blessing to have the blog, which is my business, but it’s also my life. I’m so grateful for all of it. Sometimes I feel like it might sound a little trite, but it really is my heart. Brian Gardner: That type of authenticity really shines through. From people that I’ve seen respond to comments on your blog and stuff like that, I definitely think your heart conveys the message to other people, and it’s received really well. The Evolution of the Project 333 Movement Brian Gardner: Let’s talk about Project 333 a little bit, a minimalist fashion challenge that you created which invites others to dress in 33 items or less for three months. Is that sort of an evolution of Be More with Less? In other words, you had the blog. It was kind of blanket simple living, but this was a very specific call to action. Something very tangible. I know in the context of live a simple life, sometimes it s hard to say, “That’s great, but where do I start with that? Give me something practical or some sort of tangible direction. Project 333 is exactly that. Courtney Carver: Yes, and my simplicity journey has evolved very slowly and very gently over time. I felt like I needed some type of experiment or challenge to kick-start things. It started as a blog post on Be More with Less to announce my personal challenge of dressing with 33 items or less and to invite people to join in if they didn’t think it was completely crazy or that I was completely crazy. It took on this life of its own. It’s been growing ever since as a standalone thing. There are a lot of people that know about Project 333 that have no idea about Be More with Less. Brian Gardner: So in that regard, indirectly — I know that’s not what you intended — but it kind of serves as a lead-gen, and probably, it goes both ways, where Be More With Less introduces people to Project 333 and vice versa. It’s kind of a unique way to bring people in on both sides of the fence. Courtney Carver: Yeah, it works like that in some cases, I think, when they discover the benefits of dressing with less, and they see that there’s an opportunity to live with less
40 minutes | Jun 10, 2015
Bill Kenney on Branding Your Business the Right Way
How a creative agency used a social media platform to build its empire. Whether or not we care to admit it, in today s world, looks are pretty much everything. The way we are perceived matters, and that s the bottom line. It s time to embrace this reality and start building your business around the idea that at any given moment, you and your business are being judged by your “cover”. In this 40-minute episode Bill Kenney and I discuss: The struggles of working from home What Focus Lab is and how it got started Why workflow and process matter in a creative agency How to handle issues during a project What Sidecar is and why it got started Listen to No Sidebar below ... Download MP3 Subscribe by RSS Subscribe in iTunes The Show Notes Bill Kenney on Twitter Focus Lab Focus Lab on Dribbble Emily s Tweet Made By Sidecar NoSidebar.com Rainmaker.FM is Brought to You By Discover why more than 80,000 companies in 135 countries choose WP Engine for managed WordPress hosting. Start getting more from your site today! The Transcript Bill Kenney on Branding Your Business the Right Way Brian Gardner: Well, I am in a closet. It’s 95 degrees in here. My wife and kid, they’re hanging at the pool. Voiceover: One, two, three. Brian Gardner: Hey, everyone. Welcome to the No Sidebar podcast. I am your host, Brian Gardner. I’m here to discuss the struggles around being and becoming a creative entrepreneur. Together, we’ll identify what stands in the way of you building and growing your online business. No Sidebar is brought to you by the Rainmaker Platform, a complete website solution for writers, designers, podcasters, and other online entrepreneurs. Find out more and take a free 14-day test drive at Rainmaker.FM/Platform. Hey friends, welcome back to another groovy Wednesday. Last week, I gave you a behind-the-scenes look at the growth and the rebranding of No Sidebar. I talked about the first four months of the newsletter and why I decided it was time for a redesign and gave a window into the rebranding process and the new content strategy for the website. Today, I have the privilege of talking to the guy, the mad design genius who is beyond the new-look No Sidebar. I also consider him a friend. It’s been really fun getting to know him and talk shop over social media, Skype, and so on. Here we go today with Bill Kenney from Focus Lab. Bill, welcome to the show. Bill Kenney: Thank you very much. Very happy to be here and talk candidly with you. Brian Gardner: It’s funny, as creatives, we get into these ruts where all we want to do is create, create, create, and zone everything out. Once in a while, it’s good for me to step outside my routine and my comfort zone. It’s also good to talk shop with people who are like-minded. I’m definitely glad that you took me up on this. I want to jump right in and talk about working from home, because when I first asked you about being on the show and asked if you had a headset and a mic, you said, “Yeah. No problem, but my kid’s going to be home,” right? Bill Kenney: Right. The Struggles of Working from Home Brian Gardner: We were like, “How’s that going to work with the kid upstairs making noise and stuff like that?” I thought it would be a fun way to break the ice and talk about what it’s like for you as an entrepreneur, as a guy working from home, how does that go for you? I know that most of the agency that you run, which we’ll talk about later, most of them are in the office, but you’re off in your own little world in the basement, right? Bill Kenney: That’s correct. I work in the dark, cold basement. I think it’s probably natural for me, this whole working-from-home thing, because I freelanced for so long and got comfortable with working out of my bedroom at that point, before Focus Lab officially started. I d started to do freelance work for clients in Savannah. I did that for a couple of years, and I got comfortable doing that. My routine was basically wake up at whatever time I wanted at that point and start grinding through the day, but I did my best work at night. I would work long hours through the night, again, in my bedroom. Eventually, I met Erik. We started a legitimate company. I no longer worked from my bedroom. We worked in the office. We’ve grown that now for five years. But now that I ve transitioned back to working from home, it feels normal for me, I suppose, because I started that way. It definitely has its pros and cons, but it doesn’t feel like a huge departure from who I am. And as a designer, sometimes it’s nice to be in a little bit of a cave and just do your thing. I’ll certainly talk a little bit about what works and what doesn’t. That’s kind of my evolution through that in getting back to this. What Focus Lab Is and How It Got Started Brian Gardner: You started out as a freelancer, and you were doing projects working from home. You met Erik, and you created what’s now Focus Lab, the company. Remind me — you were still in Savannah at the time, and you formed the company. For you, you had an office there in town, and it wasn’t quite so much stay at home and work, but you were in the office for a while. I think, what, within the last six months to a year, maybe, you’ve moved up north? Bill Kenney: That’s right. Yes. When we started the company, I would consider the birth of the company when we moved into that office. Erik left his job. I was full-time freelancing. We both started doing Focus Lab as a full-time job the moment that we signed for our first office. We did that. I was there almost 5 years. I only just left. When I was there, I went in every single day. I thrived off of going into the office, being around team members. Just recently, while living in Savannah, I was introduced to a beautiful young woman. Right away, got engaged, got married, and now I live in New Jersey. The office, the headquarters, if you will, of Focus Lab, which houses the majority of the team, is still in Savannah, but I’m now a remote employee, a remote boss, if you will. Brian Gardner: This is something that just came to mind. It was not on my questions-to-ask-Bill list. You mentioned that you were there all the time in the office. As a creative, I think I know the answer to this question, but I will ask you anyway. My guess is that when you left the office, whether it was 4:00, 5:00, 6:00 in the evening, you went home, had dinner, and your work day — or at least your mental day or creative day — then ends there. I’m sure you had family time, but my guess is that late at night, you were there hammering away to get stuff done to then be ready for the next morning. Bill Kenney: Yeah, absolutely. At that point, to be clear, there was no family. I was in beast mode. Brian Gardner: You were a workaholic? Bill Kenney: Yeah, I was really a workaholic. I know that’s a big topic that’s discussed these days. We definitely have a point of view on that as a company, but for me, I was totally fine working all the time. I was building and growing Focus Lab. It was really exciting for me. I had nobody else to give my attention to. I would go home, whether I was actually burned out for the day and I just needed to do nothing but watch movies, or I was really excited about a new project and I wanted to work all the way through until I couldn’t sleep. That was my mentality at that point. Brian Gardner: I think we all struggle in some fashion. Again, this is probably multiple shows or maybe even an entire podcast, the idea of addictedness to the Internet, the ability to work endlessly. I know that the job I had previous to what I do now, I loved it so much because of the fact, at 4:00, when I left, that’s all it was. There was nothing I could do at home. It wasn’t so interesting or I didn’t have such passion for it that I wanted to keep thinking about it when I was at home. It’s for sure the number-one reason why I wish — not that I have anything past this reason — I could go back to it. Bill Kenney: We do the best we can to create a company culture that is like that. We make it very clear, let’s say, when you get off work, whether it’s 5:00 or 6:00, whenever you get your stuff done, you’re not going to hear from me. I’m not going to be calling you after hours saying, “I need you to do this. I need you to do that.” Worst-case scenario, I’m going to jump on and do what I need to do to support whatever needs to happen in the afterhours life of Focus Lab. Even the type of work we take on and the different paths that we chose not to go down as far as services that we offer are all relevant and related to that decision. We don’t want this crazy, startup, you work 24 hours a day culture within Focus Lab. On the flip side of that, if you are energized about a project and you want to work at night, I’m never going to say, “No. I’m going to kill your mojo. You need to stop working because it’s time for your family.” I want you to enjoy your family, but on your own terms. If you want to work, then work away. Brian Gardner: We’re the same way at Copyblogger. The typical work week is 40 hours. Most of our people pull 50 to 60 hours, not because we require it, but because they love what they do. Sometimes, I’ve had bouts of 80-hour weeks. I have 20-hour weeks. As long as everybody gets the job done. My guess is that those who work for you probably fall under that same rockstar-quality, actions-speak-for-themselves types of people. Let’s talk a little bit about that, the formation of Focus Lab, the company. There are companies, and there are really great co
13 minutes | Jun 3, 2015
A Behind-the-Scenes Look at the Growth of No Sidebar
An inside look at the why and what of the NoSidebar.com rebrand. When you experience growth of any kind, it s natural to make an assessment of the changes that might become necessary in order to scale properly. Such was the case with No Sidebar, and I thought it would be fun to share the experiences I had while putting it through a transformation. In this 13-minute episode I discuss: A look back on the first 4 months of the newsletter Why I decided it was time for a redesign A window into the rebranding process The new content strategy for the website Listen to No Sidebar below ... Download MP3 Subscribe by RSS Subscribe in iTunes The Show Notes No Sidebar Branding #1 No Sidebar Branding #2 No Sidebar Branding #3 No Sidebar Branding #4 No Sidebar Branding #5 NoSidebar.com Rainmaker.FM is Brought to You By Discover why more than 80,000 companies in 135 countries choose WP Engine for managed WordPress hosting. Start getting more from your site today! The Transcript A Behind-the-Scenes Look at the Growth of No Sidebar Voiceover: This is Rainmaker.FM, the digital marketing podcast network. It’s built on the Rainmaker Platform, which empowers you to build your own digital marketing and sales platform. Start your free 14-day trial at RainmakerPlatform.com. Brian Gardner: Hey everyone, welcome to the No Sidebar podcast. I m your host, Brian Gardner, and I m here to discuss the struggles around being (and becoming) a creative entrepreneur. Together, we ll identify what’s standing in the way of you building and growing your online business. No Sidebar is brought to you by the Rainmaker Platform, the complete website solution for writers, designers, podcasters and other online entrepreneurs. Find out more and take a free 14-day test drive at rainmaker.fm/platform. Ok, so the last couple weeks have been pretty epic I ve had the pleasure of interviewing Paul Jarvis and Chris Brogan two guys that I look up to for many reasons and they shared some really great stuff. However, today I want to slow things down a bit and talk about something that you may or may not have noticed. If you head on over to NoSidebar.com, you ll see what I m talking about. Go on, take a look at the fresh new coat of paint and in the meantime, here s something you should know. So let s talk about the elephant in the room, shall we? Yes, No Sidebar (the website) has a redesign, and that didn t happen because I was bored one night or want to send money to my friends over at Focus Lab. Though I did hire them for the job. Anyway, the reason I decided to put No Sidebar through a branding process was simple. It was time for it to grow. It was time for phase two to take place. In other words, the site (and the movement as a whole, actually) was evolving outside what I felt was a comfortable home. Now before I go any further, I want to preface what I m going to share with the confession that at times, I have mixed feelings about companies being transparent with their numbers. Granted, in this case, I m not a company sharing revenue numbers, but I wanted to talk candidly about the growth of No Sidebar, so that you can understand the reasoning for the decisions I ve made. The disclosure of numbers, in my opinion, will help warrant the changes that were made and put them into context. Ok, moving along. A Look Back on the First 4 Months of the Newsletter The premier issue of No Sidebar was published on February 9th of this year so about 3 1/2 months ago. At the time, I was simply performing an experiment with our Rainmaker Platform, and the content strategy was modeled after Brian Clark s further.net website. I liked the idea of curating content. Part of the fun for me is finding it, but I also enjoy sharing that content with those of you who follow me. So I got the idea of No Sidebar, and figured I d write a weekly newsletter that dropped links to things that I thought was relevant to my audience which at the core, were creative types mainly designers, writers and podcasters. The initial email list I had was seeded by me emailing the personal list I had built at BrianGardner.com and also from a link that Joshua Becker shared to the No Sidebar opt-in form on his Facebook page. Issue #1 was sent out to 4,234 people and the subject of that newsletter was the Fear of Missing Out. The first few issues of the newsletter went over well, I thought, so and it was fun to see things begin to take off. The basic structure of each one has held true to form so far it starts out with about 500-700 words of story form that s relevant to each week s topic. Then we provide 3 links in a list called “Further Reading” and then a couple of paragraphs with more relevant links in 3 categories called “At Work”, “At Home” and “In the Soul.” I came up with those, because in my eyes it covered all bases of the audience I thought I was forming. The idea was to appeal to folks on a business level, on a family level and on a personal level. So week by week the newsletter went out, and the email list grew at an average of 170 people a week. Currently it s at 6,744 and there s been a few weeks with smaller increases and others with much larger ones. Every time a newsletter gets sent out, we lose about 10-30 folks as well it s painful to see, but that s just the cost of doing business. The email list and traffic on the site has seen a steady growth nothing has gone viral, and only one of the issues really got a lot of exposure. The one I wrote about Minimalism currently has over 4,000 likes as a result (go figure) of another instance of Joshua Becker sharing on his Becoming Minimalist Facebook Page. Right now the growth is feeling very organic, and I like that kind of feels like the foundation is being built on rock rather than sand. As far as I know the podcast is also doing well I haven t seen the latest statistics on downloads and what not but since they haven t told me it s hitting the cutting room floor, these assumptions I make. Anyway, after a couple months of what I felt was a successful attempt at building a website and cultivating a community, I decided it was time to take it to the next level. Why I Decided It Was Time for a Redesign While weekly newsletters are great, I felt there was so much more that I wanted to write about and share with everyone, and that was being held back by the system that was in place. So I challenged myself a bit and asked, “Is there any reason why you can t publish more often?” It didn t take much thought, and I came to the quick conclusion that there really wasn t. I spent the better part of an hour or two at that point analyzing the current design of No Sidebar and decided that a few things needed to change well more than a few things, but I knew it was time to take the next step, which ultimately meant a new look. Ok, here s the part where I let you inside my head a bit for better or for worse. Don t judge, these are just the real things I thought. I felt as though the design that No Sidebar launched with was great very minimal, but there was a part of me that felt it had too much of a “boutique” appearance very quaint, bookish sort of feel. I really loved the typeface I was using which by the way was Garamond Premier Pro Display from Typekit but also felt that in some way, that design and appearance was holding things back. It was weird. I almost felt that it was overly designed almost designed too well and I wanted to make it feel more relevant. The bottom line? I felt that I had a huge responsibility to get things right, so I reached out to my friends over at Focus Lab and push this through an official branding process. A Window Into the Rebranding Process I won t go into all of the details of that process, but I thought you might enjoy bits and pieces of it. The following stuff I share came from the preliminary conversations and design brief that was developed. Logotype Creatively present the logotype in a way that de-emphasizes the strong and negative “no”. Capture an impactful and approachable visual that will reach the modified target audience and stay true to the authenticity and story behind No Sidebar. Current Audience Simple-living focused and minimalists. I wanted to open things up a bit more and appeal to folks outside of that specific niche. So Target Audience: Creative entrepreneurs: designers, writers, podcasters. Brand Values speaking truth, authenticity, success, simplicity, valuable information, knowledge transfer Brand Vibe uncluttered, simple, mainstream, professional, entrepreneurial spirit, sassy, smart, modern, (this, by the way was a word I must have used umpteen times along the way) For those of you who haven t gone through a branding process, it s quite tedious and often overwhelming. Idea boards are crazy to look at, because sometimes you re given a 100 sketched out ideas and you have to weed through and pick things you like. I ll link to a few of the shots that Bill Kenney put up on Instagram that tells the story of the No Sidebar branding process. After a few weeks of idea dumps and what not we finally landed on the concepts that are currently the new look for the brand. It took a while, because I m a very particular person and had a specific vision. About the same time as the design for the opt-in page was being designed, I went to Denver for our Authority Rainmaker event. I knew that my friends from SPYR were going be there they are amazing photographers so I reached out to see if they d be up for walking the streets of downtown in the hope I could get a few shots for the site. Mission accomplished and the image that you see on the homepage of No Sidebar came from the afternoon we strolled about. The New Content Strategy for the Website It took about a month for us to work through the rebranding and site de
25 minutes | May 28, 2015
Chris Brogan on the Business of Being Yourself
As cliché as it sounds, some of the best business advice you can get is simply … be who you are. It sounds impractical that in a ruthless world filled with corporations, venture capitalists, and never-ending competition, we re encouraged to drop our personas and keep things real. From being different, to taking risks, there s a tremendous amount of knowledge to be had in this episode. Chris says we often mistake busy for progress and he s no rookie when it comes to giving entrepreneurial advice. Listen up and take notes, as one of the most successful marketing and social media guys on the planet takes the floor. In this 25-minute episode Chris Brogan and I discuss: What Sally Hogshead said at Authority Rainmaker that rocked my world Being busy vs. being blessed The best piece of advice that Brian Clark gave Chris Why Chris says yes to most of the podcast interview requests he gets How a joke landed Chris a $40,000 client experience Why trying to mimic someone else s success is a bad idea What a 9-year-old teaches us about business models Listen to No Sidebar below ... Download MP3 Subscribe by RSS Subscribe in iTunes The Show Notes Chris Brogan Sally Hogshead NoSidebar.com Rainmaker.FM is Brought to You By Discover why more than 80,000 companies in 135 countries choose WP Engine for managed WordPress hosting. Start getting more from your site today! The Transcript Chris Brogan on the Business of Being Yourself Voiceover: This is Rainmaker.FM, the digital marketing podcast network. It’s built on the Rainmaker Platform, which empowers you to build your own digital marketing and sales platform. Start your free 14-day trial at Rainmaker.FM/Platform. Brian Gardner: So instead of going through the history of Chris Brogan on social media and so on, we’re just going to jump right in. Hey, everyone. Welcome to the No Sidebar podcast. I am your host, Brian Gardner. I’m here to discuss the struggles around being and becoming a creative entrepreneur. Together, we’ll identify what’s standing in the way of you building and growing your online business. No Sidebar is brought to you by the Rainmaker Platform, a complete website solution for writers, designers, podcasters, and other online entrepreneurs. Find out more and take a free 14-day test drive at Rainmaker.FM/Platform. Today is going to be a fun show. Strangely enough, I reached to out Chris Brogan and asked him if he could get on a call to talk about what we experienced over at Authority Rainmaker, and he said, “How about right now?” In typical fashion, I jumped on Skype, hit record. I want to preface all of this conversation that Chris and I are going to have with a conversation that he and I had a couple of weeks back. I called Chris a couple of weeks ago. We were supposed to go over what we would talk about on our call, and this strange thing happened. I had a bad day, and I wasn’t sure what I wanted to do with podcasting. Chris played therapist rather than interviewee on that call. He said something to me that was very, very intelligent, and something that made a lot of sense to me and really aligns with the No Sidebar philosophy. He said, “Typically I like to do my interviews, start them out as if they were 30 minutes in.” In other words, cutting out the traditional, “Hey, here’s my guest. Here’s where he came from and how he got to where he got to,” because the reality of it is, Google exists, right? For somebody who doesn’t have an hour to listen to an entire show, people know, for the most part, what their story is of the person they’re listening to. If they don’t, they’re able to research it. So instead of going through the history of Chris Brogan on social media and so on, we’re just going to jump right in. Authority Rainmaker last week in Denver, Colorado, was a conference that Copyblogger put on, our company. We had some really great guests and speakers. Chris was there. Chris spoke, and it was very good. First of all, Chris, welcome to the show, and thank you for hopping on right away. Chris Brogan: You know what? I’m totally thrilled. I’m thrilled to be here, Brian. Having spent a little time in your actual physical orbit was nice. I really like the idea of the project for No Sidebar. It’s funny that even just the name, there’s two obvious means to it. There’s what it means for blog design and site design, but obviously for life. I feel just honored to be a guest, so thank you. What Sally Hogshead Said at Authority Rainmaker That Rocked My World Brian Gardner: You’re welcome. It’s great to have you here. Let’s jump right in. Sally Hogshead was a session that I did not plan to go to. It was the keynote of the second day, the opening keynote that was. I was going to do a few other things, but something just said, “Brian, you need to go in there and listen to what she has to say because there’s probably a reason for it.” I went in there and I was a little bit cautiously optimistic. What I can say is this, Sally Hogshead rocked my world. I went into Authority Rainmaker with a lot of questions and some confusion about what I want to do and how I want to do it. I have to tell you, it’s like she was looking at me and speaking for an hour directly at me. One of the things she said was this, “Don’t change who you are, become more of who you are.” I thought that was one of the most brilliant things I’ve ever heard. It really spoke to me personally because I’m going through some stuff — just trying to identify what is my voice, who are the people that I want to impact, how I want to impact them, and so on. It also made me think this is a good chance to take what she said and what I want to talk to you about and put it together because a lot of people know you as a social media guy. I know, ha ha — you wrote about that on Facebook a few weeks back. There’s obviously a lot of backstory, Chris, to who you are, but that really is the whole story. It’s who Chris is. In other words, you are no different off social media than you are on social media. I want to talk about that and just get your thoughts and reactions to what she said. Being Busy vs. Being Blessed Chris Brogan: Did you get that feeling in person, by the way? When you hung out with me, were you like, “Wow, it’s exactly the way it’s been all along,” or were you like, “No, he’s totally different”? Brian Gardner: Two years ago, I think you may have been at a different point. I talked about this briefly when we spoke a few weeks back, that you seemed to have a lot going on. In other words, you were going to a lot of conferences. You were speaking a lot. Maybe you came across as busy, which isn’t a bad thing. It just meant that you had a lot of things happening in your life. The last two years, I’m telling you, it seems like it’s been a night and day difference — like you intentionally went out and said, “This is not going to sustain for very long because there’s just too much happening.” To me, at least from the outside, it looks like you intentionally went in and cut out some stuff — some travel, some conferences, some things. You really brought it back to what you want to do, your web properties and nurturing all of that. When we had some chance this past week to talk, you seemed relaxed, happy — not that you weren’t before, you know what I mean — but it just seemed like you were at a better place. Chris Brogan: It is true. One of the things that I can say — this is the first ‘take out your highlighter’ moment in the conversation — is we often mistake busy for progress. As you well know, motion and forward motion are two different things. When we are having a tough time or when things aren’t working out so well, we tend to go into panic and go in all-directions modes. It looks from the outside, “Wow, that guy is busy.” I’m just against the word ‘busy.’ The best I like to say is I’m blessed. Number one is that, when you’re going after everything, you can’t really catch as many things because you’re never in a place long enough for that. The Best Piece of Advice That Brian Clark Gave Chris Chris Brogan: The other thing is that, with regards to the way I feel now, a bunch of years ago, I was with Brian Clark at Pubcon on an interview on some stage where the interviewer was horrendous, I seem to recall. We just decided to ask each other questions and ignore her, which was I guess technically rude, but we just wanted to save the audience from having really dumb questions about “when did you get on Twitter?” One of the things I said to Brian was, “Brian, I’m faced with all of these opportunities, and I don’t know what to say yes to.” This is years ago. This is typical Clark. Clark tells me something and then two or three years later, I try my best to make it my own. He said, “I really just serve the people who have given me their time and attention. I don’t say yes to anything that doesn’t follow that.” That’s actually the other reason why I don’t seem to crazy busy anymore. That’s the answer. Brian Gardner: One of the things you said — and you can tell me if you want this cut out of this interview — was you say yes to a lot of people who ask if they can podcast interview you as long as they respect your time and keep it to 20 minutes or so, which of course, I want to do on this one for a number of reasons, but is that true? Do you really spend that much time engaging with other people? It wouldn’t surpr
32 minutes | May 20, 2015
Paul Jarvis on Productivity and Growing Your Online Business
As creative entrepreneurs, we have a tendency to get stuck in the learning process, and fail to push the needle by taking action. Perpetuated by fear and criticism, the failure to launch a product can be crippling. We continually find ourselves spinning our wheels and getting stuck in a place that s completely avoidable. It s a good thing we have pioneers and thought leaders in our space who speak encouraging words that help us take the leap of faith. In this 32-minute episode Paul Jarvis and I discuss: What he enjoys doing more … designing or writing The Creative Class course that he offers Saying no to certain design projects Taking the consumption of knowledge to the next level Launch paralysis and how to get past it Being afraid of everything as a creative person How we use teasers to gauge the safety in shipping Responding to hate mail and other criticisms Listen to No Sidebar below ... Download MP3 Subscribe by RSS Subscribe in iTunes The Show Notes Paul s website The Creative Class Paul s Design Portfolio On being digital hoarders NoSidebar.com Rainmaker.FM is Brought to You By Discover why more than 80,000 companies in 135 countries choose WP Engine for managed WordPress hosting. Start getting more from your site today! The Transcript Paul Jarvis on Productivity and Growing Your Online Business Voiceover: This is Rainmaker.FM, a digital marketing podcast network. It’s built on the Rainmaker Platform, which empowers you to build your own digital marketing and sales platform. Start your free 14-day trial at Rainmaker.FM/Platform. Paul Jarvis: The problem with being a minimalist is the sound bounces off of everything because it’s just walls. Brian Gardner: Hey, what’s up everyone? Welcome to the No Sidebar podcast. I am your host Brian Gardner, and I’m here to discuss the struggles around being and becoming a creative entrepreneur. Together, we’ll identify what’s standing in the way of you building and growing your online business. No Sidebar is brought to you by the Rainmaker Platform, a complete website solution for writers, designers, podcasters, and other online entrepreneurs. Find out more and take a free 14-day test drive at Rainmaker.FM/Platform. Last week, I read and gave my thoughts on an article called “On Being Digital Hoarders” written by Paul Jarvis. Today, I have the privilege of talking to him and specifically about what he wrote. By way of his own website copy, I’m going to let him introduce himself first. “I’m Paul Jarvis. I create simple, meaningful things like bestselling books, courses, and websites for creatives and freelancers. I’ve had the pleasure of creating websites and digital marketing plans for Silicon Valley startups, pro sports athletes, Fortune 500 companies, bestselling authors, and the world’s biggest entrepreneurs.” I’m pleased to welcome fellow designer, fellow writer, and not fellow course creator Paul Jarvis. Paul, thank you so much for being on the show and for doing it so quickly. Paul Jarvis: Hey, Brian. It’s my pleasure. Brian Gardner: It’s funny, I’ve been following you for a long time, and this is how it is on the Internet, right? You follow people, you communicate with people back and forth, and once in a while, you get lucky — whether it’s on a show or in person at a conference — to meet the people who, hopefully, you inspire or, especially in this case, the people who inspire you. It’s definitely a pleasure to have you here. Paul Jarvis: Thanks. It’s the ‘Mutual Appreciation Society.’ Brian Gardner: Before we get started with the article, give us a two-minute lowdown on who Paul Jarvis is in your mind. Paul Jarvis: I’ve actually been struggling with this a lot lately because I’ve got a lot of balls in the air that I’m juggling. I’m having a hard time describing myself. So one, I design websites for clients. Two, I also have a podcast that I co-host with my friend Jason Zook. I also run a course for freelancers. I also write books, articles, mailing lists, and all of that. I do a lot of things, but they all fall under the umbrella where I really like to help people and I like to feel valuable. Those are the five, six, seven maybe, ways that I’ve figured out how to do that. Specifically, right now, I just like working with freelancers because I feel like I’ve learned a bit in the almost 20 years that I have freelanced. I’m just trying to pass that information along. I don’t know what I do, Brian. I have a really hard time with that. Brian Gardner: You’re an artist. You’re creative, so it’s kind of ambiguous, right? We don’t actually know what we do. We just kind of do our thing and hope it helps others or helps inspire others or whatever. What He Enjoys Doing More Designing or Writing Brian Gardner: I think, first and foremost, you’re a designer and a writer — at least those are the two mediums that I know you as. Which of those two do you enjoy doing best, and then I’m going to follow up and ask you — because for me this is a different answer — which of those two do you think you’re better at? Paul Jarvis: I like both. I get asked this a lot because a lot of people nowadays in our circle, you work on client work — which is, for me, web designing — until you have a breakout product. Then you can drop all of the working with clients and go focus on that product. But, for me, I like working with clients. I actually like doing web design for other people, so I don’t think I would ever cut that out. The writing for me is more of the one to many. I’ve made products. I’ve done bestselling books and courses and all of that. I love doing those things, but I also like doing the web design stuff. I sort of split my time 50/50 right now with some design stuff, some writing products, and some writing articles and that sort of thing. As far as what I like better, I think it’s a toss up. I don’t know. Today, I like writing better. Tomorrow, it’s possibly going to be client stuff. I find that the more I oscillate back and forth — so a few months I’ll be doing client work, a few months I’ll be doing writing and products and that — the more I miss the thing that I’m not doing. Then I need to go back to it. The pendulum swings, and then I start doing something else. Then I miss the thing that I’m not doing anymore. Brian Gardner: For me, it’s the same thing. Back when I first got started on the Internet, I was doing freelance design via WordPress themes for people. The whole story of where Revolution and Studio Press and all of that got started was rejected freelance design that was, in turn, turned into a product — which then ultimately took me out of doing freelance work because the product was selling so much. Years down the road, it got to a point where, as much as I loved doing product design and themes, I also missed that interaction and just having the one-off, trying to solve one specific problem with a client. I’ve done things like Joshua Becker’s “Becoming Minimalist” site. That was a freelance project that I just did for him. I said, “Look dude, no payment. All I want to do is just solve the problem I think you have.” He was totally open to it, and it felt good to go back to that grassroots feel of working with a client in a freelance environment. So I totally hear what you’re saying there. Paul Jarvis: Yeah, you did Courtney’s site as well I think in the last few months. Brian Gardner: Yeah. Thankfully, she’s, first of all, very meticulous and very organized, so it was easy to work with her. Paul Jarvis: Nice. Brian Gardner: She just, like Joshua said, “Hey, I’m a minimalist. Got to keep it simple” — which, of course, as you know, sometimes is harder to do because there’s such a focus on just the design or lack thereof. It’s all about the couple of choices that you make. Both Joshua and Courtney were awesome to work with. The Creative Class Course That He Offers Brian Gardner: So in addition to designing websites and writing your weekly newsletter, you also have a course called “The Creative Class.” Currently, you have over 800 students there. How’s that going for you? Paul Jarvis: It’s amazing. I didn’t realize how interesting teaching would be. I didn’t realize how much I learn as the instructor. I’ve been freelancing for basically forever, almost 20 years, so I worked for myself for a very, very long time. I’m like, “OK Paul, you know some stuff. It’s probably right.” Then I validated it, and I talked to other people. I did some research and stuff, and then I started a course. It taught me how much I don’t know and how much I still need to learn. It’s so interesting to engage with students. I actually like this, and this is why. I started out writing books, and the books sell really well. I figured, “Hmm, I think I want to try this audience interaction, engagement thing,” so I was’ like, “OK, let’s start a course.” That was kind of night and day for me. I found that it’s so much more interesting to be able to see how people are taking the content and using it as opposed to just, “I write a book. I sell a book. Amazon sends me the number of sales every month,” and that’s pretty much it. I may get an email or two out of every couple thousand people that buy it. Whereas, with the course, it’s interactivity with the students all the time. It helps me create new content, refine the content I have, f
11 minutes | May 13, 2015
Are Productivity Articles Making You Unproductive?
A reaction to an article written by Paul Jarvis, entitled On becoming digital hoarders.” Our yearning to find information that will somehow magically fill some void in our life, continually leaves us unsatisfied. We are promised endlessly how to make our lives better, how to be more productive and how to get what we want. I know that s exactly how I feel after reading any of these types of articles. But the reality is, and the biggest point I think Paul is making is that at some point, we need to take off the training wheels of acquiring knowledge and ride the bike of applying that knowledge … In this 11-minute episode I discuss: The universal fascination with list-based articles Our yearning to find “the magical solution” Why inspirational words often fall flat How productivity articles trap us Why life hacks are often just a crutch Listen to No Sidebar below ... Download MP3 Subscribe by RSS Subscribe in iTunes The Show Notes Paul Jarvis on Twitter On being digital hoarders NoSidebar.com Rainmaker.FM is Brought to You By Discover why more than 80,000 companies in 135 countries choose WP Engine for managed WordPress hosting. Start getting more from your site today! The Transcript Are Productivity Articles Making You Unproductive? Brian Gardner: Hey everyone, welcome to the No Sidebar podcast. I m your host, Brian Gardner, and I m here to discusses the struggles around being (and becoming) a creative entrepreneur. Together we ll identify what’s standing in the way of you building and growing your online business. No Sidebar is brought to you by the Rainmaker Platform, the complete website solution for writers, designers, podcasters and other online entrepreneurs. Find out more and take a free 14-day test drive at RainmakerPlatform.com. Last week I came across an article on Medium written by Paul Jarvis, and it literally stopped me dead in my tracks. So much that I reached out to him and asked if I could interview him about that very post he wrote. Within minutes we had a call scheduled, and next week you ll hear what we talked about. This week, however, I wanted to present a prequel to that call. I thought it d be fun for me to go through what he wrote and respond with my own thoughts, even before our call even took place. In other words, this is my knee-jerk reaction to what he said, and next week he and I will walk through it all. The Universal Fascination with List-Based Articles The article he wrote was called On being digital hoarders. This article first appeared on his weekly newsletter, The Sunday Dispatches, which you can signup at pjrvs.com/signup. We live in a world of tips & tricks, listicles and deep thoughts (in 140 characters or less). This is a world we actively perpetuate by continually showing how eager we all are to consume this type of information. It lures us in with promises of saving time, building better habits, retiring early by working less, etc I don t know about you, but I m fascinated by articles that list out certain things typically it s more in a lookie-lou sense like Top 10 Most Beautiful Ski Resorts , but once in a while I m drawn to one that pulls me in on a deeper level. Something like 5 Ways You re Running an Inefficient Online Business. I love that Paul uses the word lure because after all, that s what the headlines are supposed to do, right? Our Yearning to Find the Magical Solution He goes on Like ravenous dogs, we refresh our feeds even though we just spent the last 20 minutes reading some life-hacking article. Maybe a new one will appear with even more hacks! We salivate for more, unsatiated by the last. Ok, so he s got me again with his choice of words such as refresh and unsatiated. After all, isn t that what social media is all about? Our yearning to find information that will give to us and somehow magically fill some void in our life that remains unsatisfied? We are promised endlessly how to make our lives better, how to be more productive and how to get what we want. I know that s exactly how I feel after reading any of these. Why Inspirational Words Often Fall Flat More from Paul. Does all this information make us more prone to act? Does it really make us more efficient? Does it move us forward in any significant way? Are our lives better for consuming these optimizations? More importantly, is the world now a better place, a place where more action is taken and more time is saved, because we ve got instant access to this hackery? Ok, now it s getting deeper, where he s asking us questions that probe into the way these things make us feel. For me, anytime I read something inspirational, I m usually inspired for maybe 30 minutes which is sometimes long enough for me to concur some sort of action plan, purchase a domain name and get started on a web design. The problem, however, is that after I check into social media, get on a call or answer a few emails, I ve already lost that loving feeling. I m already onto another idea, or have concocted another plan of attack for pursuing and project that I just thought of. How Productivity Articles Trap Us Then Paul asks. Or, are all of these tips ultimately doing the opposite simply distracting us? Think about it. If you re focused on learning about productivity, you re not technically productive at all because you re spending all your time learning about productivity instead of working. What percentage of life hacks do you readily apply to your life and are then much better for it? Do you simply consume these tips because it feels like you re taking action without having to actually act? It s a trap. A perfect trap. And it s one we ve all had our foot caught in at some time. In his article, Paul is very specifically calling out the productivity articles, in which he s identifying that all they do is bring you an immediate sense of action, which typically lead to the search for another similar type of article. In other words, we are addicts in search of our next fix not necessarily looking to solve our problem. We d rather live in the yes I can moments of the article, rather than here s how I will moments. Well sometimes we even get to those moments, but even they aren t good enough because saying you will, and actually doing it are two completely different things. It s like dieting every morning when I weigh myself, I see the same number on the scale. Sometimes it s higher than the day before, but I make the same mistake each and every time. I hop on the internet, Google some derivative of how a middle aged man can lose belly fat and then read a bunch of the results. It s like I think I ll magically lose said belly fat by way of osmosis that if I spend enough time reading about doing it, it will just happen. These articles tell me what to eat and how often to exercise, but unless I actually follow the advice and do it I m left with the same results every time I get on the scale. Paul s words. While small wins can certainly be had from optimizing our lives with the help of tips we read online, how many of us are literally working 4-hour work weeks, while simultaneously learning how to overcome every fear we ve got, and unlocking ultimate happiness? We ve somehow put ourselves in a place where expert advice in these types of articles holds more weight than it should. It s become the holy grail, the secret sauce, the one thing we need to learn in order to improve our lives. I don t know if there s any way to truly know this, but how many of these articles are written by people who themselves don t follow the very advice they are giving? Nevertheless, I agree with what Paul s alluding to. He says that they hold more weight than they should, and what I think he s trying to say is that we find ourselves in a discouraged state of mind frequently, and that we are feeble in our own convictions. After all, if someone is calling out an issue that I find myself struggling with, I must really be in a bad place and need their help, right? Why Life Hacks Are Often Just a Crutch Paul continues. In reality, the act of figuring stuff out for ourselves, becoming less afraid of looking stupid because we re learning, and actually having little self-reliance in our attempts at greatness can take us much, much further. Not just because hacks on the internet are distracting, but because they re a crutch. Bingo. A crutch. Like a drug user needing a fix, we continually live in the inadequacy, so instead of digging deep and intentionally working our problems, we go back to the beginning of the cycle and regurgitate that we do indeed, have a problem and we need help. Paul s words. These hacks circumvent our own innate intelligence in favor of letting some expert who has a way with words have all the power to lead us. Those words could lead us not only around in circles that seem like progress, but they could potentially lead us to doing something in a way that just doesn t work for how to process information. More often than not, there s more than one way to boost your efficiency. Maybe you work best at night (even if experts say morning people are more productive). Maybe your path to happiness can t be backed by science. Maybe the only reason you have anxiety is because your RSS feed has too many unread life-hack articles in it. In other words, Paul s saying different strokes for different folks. He s discouraging us from sometimes following expert advice because, let s face it, how many of these experts truly know us better than we know ourselves. How does some psychologist, or dietician, or some insert invented name here type of person know what s the best method for us to overcome our struggles? I think there s a lot of value to be had from people who ve extensively studied a certain area or have a degree in some kind of field but the reality is, and the biggest point I thin
24 minutes | May 6, 2015
How to Deal With Creative Block and Creative Envy
There are two things that consistently get in our way of being creative entrepreneurs — and with a little bit of intentional effort, they can both be avoided. If you re a writer or a designer, creative block and envy can easily limit your productivity. So what s the best way around this? It starts with being intentional about taking care of yourself. Perhaps it s time away from the internet or simply removing the distractions that seem to work their way into our lives. In this 24-minute episode Allison Vesterfelt and I discuss: Her new gig with Donald Miller at Storybrand How she packed a day s worth of writing into 60 minutes The creative one step back, two steps forward mentality Being distracted vs. having creative block The impact of a 7-day internet-free retreat Creative envy and how it weighs us down The biggest mistake that writer s make Listen to No Sidebar below ... Download MP3 Subscribe by RSS Subscribe in iTunes The Show Notes Anne Lamott John Steinbeck NoSidebar.com Rainmaker.FM is Brought to You By Discover why more than 80,000 companies in 135 countries choose WP Engine for managed WordPress hosting. Start getting more from your site today! The Transcript How to Deal with Creative Block and Creative Envy Voiceover: This is Rainmaker.FM, the digital marketing podcast network. It s built on the Rainmaker Platform, which empowers you to build your own digital marketing and sales platform. Start your free 14-day trial at RainmakerPlatform.com. Brian Gardner: I m getting better at identifying when I trip over my words, stopping, and then just leaving a space because I know I can cut it. Hey, everyone. Welcome to the No Sidebar podcast. I am your host, Brian Gardner. I m here to discuss the struggles around being and becoming a creative entrepreneur. Together, we ll identify what s standing in the way of you building and growing your online business. No Sidebar is brought to you by the Rainmaker Platform, a complete website solution for writers, designers, podcasters, and other online entrepreneurs. Find out more and take a free 14-day test drive at Rainmaker.FM/platform. This week, we re back with Allison Vesterfelt. We ll be sharing our thoughts on creative block and creative envy, me as a designer and her as a writer. Before we get going, Ally, let s catch up on a few things. It s been a few weeks since you ve been on the show, and there s a reason for that. We don t get to talk as much as I d like to, but again, that s okay, because a lot has changed on your end. Just give us a snapshot of what s happened over the last couple of weeks. Her New Gig with Donald Miller at Storybrand Allison Vesterfelt: For the last five years, I have been running my own company, doing the entrepreneurial thing. It started as freelancing, and then grew into this bigger thing where I had people working for me and with me and that s been really fun. I guess it s been about six weeks ago now, a writer friend of mine, who is also one of my heroes in the writing world — his name is Donald Miller — asked me if I wanted to come join his team and be a writer full time for his team. The offer was out of left field. I wasn t planning to quit what I was doing and start a full-time job, but it was also such an honor to be asked by him. I ve worked closely enough with him and with his team to know that they are a blast to work with, and they re a really, really fun team. I took a few weeks to think about it and finally decided to say yes. The last three weeks have been my first time in five years working a real 9-to-5, show-up-at-work-every-day, 40-hours-a-week kind of gig, and it s been a blast. It s been so much fun. Brian Gardner: That s really good to hear. I ve been talking to Daryl about that, and you and I talked a bit about the decision you made and whatnot, and so it makes me happy to know that you re happy. It also makes me happy to know that you told Don that you had to be part of this show still, and that was part of your deal, so we don t get to miss out on you. That s a good thing. Another thing that s changed since you ve been on last was the idea of going unscripted. Robert and I spent the last two weeks cutting my teeth on doing the unscripted thing. Again, that s what we re doing here. I have questions and notes, but under no circumstance will I be reading. You and I have discussed this as well, just doing the conversational riffing thing, because we have a lot in common, and we share a lot of the same mentalities on certain things. With creative block and creative envy, I think that bodes totally well for us just going back and forth. I also like the idea of going off topic sometimes, because that s where golden nuggets in life get found. When you stick to a script, you have a tendency not to go down places that may uncover interesting thoughts and opinions about things. All right. Let s talk about creative block. Creative block is this thing that gets in our way of when we want to be creative, right? It s something that keeps us up late at night. There are times of the day we don t want to even be working, but we have to work and get through it. As a writer, you obviously have it in a different form. For you as a writer, it looks differently than me as a designer, so what are the types of things that you do when you get to a point where you just can t think, you just can t write? Talking about the fact that you have a job now and work for Don, and now that you have a job where you have to write for someone else, there may even be some more pressure that comes along with that. What do you do, or how do you get through that kind of thing? Allison Vesterfelt: Yeah. In the last five years, as I ve been working with a lot of writers, I have not met a writer yet who hasn t had to deal with writer s block. It can be one of the most frustrating things you deal with, especially when you depend on your writing for your income, you don t have the option of just saying, Oh, I ll just wait until the inspiration comes. You have to sit down and write right now. The thing I ve learned from my own life about writer s block is, I always say, Writer s block is not just writer s block. It s life block. Usually, for me, when I sit down and I try to write and I can t write, it s usually because there s something I want to say, need to say, someone I need to talk to, something I m not admitting to myself, something deeper that I haven t tapped into yet. The most effective tool for me has been to step away from the computer and to go for a long walk, or a run, or to a park, or somewhere where I can get away from all the noise, and my phone, and my computer, and everything that s asking for something from me, and listen to the intuition I have inside of me or follow where that leads me. Almost always, that leads me to something that will help me clear the blockage. How She Packed a Day s Worth of Writing into 60 Minutes Allison Vesterfelt: I think it was like six months ago or maybe a year ago now that I was working on a huge project, and I was bumping up really close to the deadline and was really worried I wasn t going to finish. Every day for a week, I would sit down on the computer, and I would try to get the words out, and they wouldn t come out. And they wouldn t come out. And they wouldn t come out. I was so frustrated. For a few days in a row, I went on these long walks. By the third day I did this, I was walking around my neighborhood. As I was walking, I just was thinking to myself, Okay. I ve got to figure this out. I was saying a little prayer to ask for guidance as to how to get past this blockage, and the words that I heard in that moment were, Take care of yourself first, and then others second. It was like not an outside voice. It was an inside voice. It was like that little intuition, the conscience, or whatever you want to call that inside of you that guides you out of problems. I heard those words, came home, sat down on my computer to get some more writing done, and immediately when I sat down, my husband walked in the door. It s like 4:30 in the afternoon. He s like, Hey, what are we going to do for dinner tonight? What do you want to do tonight? I got a text message from a friend who said, Hey, do you want to hang out tonight? Then, I had gotten an email from a client who was really concerned. They needed something ASAP. They needed it right that second, and I just repeated those words to myself, Take care of yourself first, and others second. It was like the minute that I did that, I realized, Okay. I said to my husband, Hey, we ll talk about this in one hour. I just need one hour to get some words on the page, and replied to my friend and said, I can t hang out tonight. Let s catch up tomorrow. Then, I closed my email and decided that I would respond the next morning during business hours. In the next 60 minutes, I got more writing done in that 60 minutes than I had in the whole day. I think sometimes, it s something like that, that there was something going on inside of me that I couldn t quite put my finger on or couldn t explain. But once I went on the walk, and cleared my head, and heard those words, it guided me out of the problem, if that makes sense. Brian Gardner: Yeah. Have you ever seen the movie The Social Network? Allison Vesterfelt: Yes. Brian Gardner: You know that scene when Justin Timberlake comes to the house for the first time when they moved to San Francisco, and they re walking around and introducing people, and he goes up to this one guy, and he s like, Hey, and he s like, No, no, no. Don t talk to him. He s wired in? Allison Vesterfelt: Yeah. Brian Gardner: It s like it s the visual I got when you were talking about that, when you had that moment where, Hey, I got to work, and Daryl coming home and giving him the, Uh-uh, no. My headphones are on, and I m wired in. Allis
25 minutes | Apr 29, 2015
Passion Projects, Clarity, and the Evolution of No Sidebar
As an online entrepreneur, I am learning just how crucial being agile is to running a successful business. There s absolutely nothing wrong with being involved in a personal project — especially when you re passionate about it — but continually keeping your audience in mind is always a good thing. Over the last couple months of running No Sidebar, I ve identified three types of people that I want to specifically cater to. In this 24-minute episode Robert Bruce and I discuss: Who has control over whether something is great Focusing on the fundamentals of your craft Bono, being 16 and taking over the world Why passion projects are tough in the context of business George Costanza doing The Opposite The early stages of No Sidebar and how it got started My focus on writers, designers and podcasters The Dip by Seth Godin Listen to No Sidebar below ... Download MP3 Subscribe by RSS Subscribe in iTunes The Show Notes The Cure for Imposter Syndrome Seinfeld s “The Opposite” Episode The Dip by Seth Godin NoSidebar.com Rainmaker.FM is Brought to You By Discover why more than 80,000 companies in 135 countries choose WP Engine for managed WordPress hosting. Start getting more from your site today! The Transcript Passion Projects, Clarity, and the Evolution of No Sidebar Voiceover: This is Rainmaker.FM, the digital marketing podcast network. It’s built on the Rainmaker Platform, which empowers you to build your own digital marketing and sales platform. Start your free 14-day trial at Rainmaker.FM/Platform. Brian Gardner: So are you in your closet with just you and clothes and a chair or desk or whatever? Robert Bruce: Yeah. I’m thinking it might be too small of a space. I don’t know. I run a podcast network, but I don’t know this stuff. Voiceover: One, two, three. Brian Gardner: No Sidebar is brought to you by the Rainmaker Platform. A complete website solution perfect for creative entrepreneurs. Find out more and take a free 14-day test drive at Rainmaker.FM/Platform. Alright, Robert, last week you and I discussed our obsession with greatness and how it gets in the way of being good. I have to say that, easily, it has been the most well-received show. The Nielsen ratings have shown a skyrocket. Robert Bruce: Wait a minute. Is that because I’m on the show, or you’re saying because this show has taken another leap forward? Brian Gardner: I think it is a combination of both you being on the show and the naturalness of the show that folks responded to. Unfortunately for me, what that means is I’ve set precedence here to go unscripted. As I discussed last week, the idea of writing a script and then trying to follow a script is often really difficult and time consuming, so I’m actually OK with this process now. Robert Bruce: Good. Good. You should be. I think it was a great show. This works really, really well for you. Who Has Control Over Whether Something Is Great Brian Gardner: Last week, I kind of cut us off right in the middle of the episode, sort of on purpose, sort of to draw a little mystery around it, and to bring you back on the show as a guest again. One of things that you said towards the end of last week’s episode really struck me. I wanted to quote this back on the show today. “We don’t have control over whether something is great. Other people have that control.” In other words, that’s the job of our audience. Sonia from our company recently wrote a great piece on Copyblogger called The Cure for Imposter Syndrome, where she says, “Your authority comes from your audience.” I think it’s interesting how so many parts of our company, so many people within our company, we’re talking about the same things congruently. It’s really relevant to a lot of our audience. It’s relevant to me as a podcaster, to you as the person in charge of the network, and just all of the content that’s going around. I love the synergy here. You also say, “What we need to do is to show up, train ceaselessly, educate ourselves, and get better to do our job.” I think that’s great advice. Robert Bruce: You going to hold me to that? I guess you quoted me, so we have to. I do think that, the idea of, can you call yourself great or claim greatness yourself or whatever. Certainly you can if you’re delusional, but this comes from the literary world — and probably well before that as well — your job is to, in that context, write the book. You can’t write an immortal work of fiction, for instance. It’s only, in many cases, generations after the people reading that book and whatever critical faculty is around in 100 years. Who knows what it’ll be? It used to be the New York Times Book Review. It’s those people that bestow ‘greatness’ on your work. Certainly, you can claim whatever you want about whatever it is that you do, but I think that’s a bad road to go down. The best thing to do is just focus on the fundamentals of your craft and to practice it day in and day out. As Mr. Godin says often, “Ship it. Put it out there in the world, and let the world decide.” Brian Gardner: It’s funny. Let’s talk about Pablo Picasso. His work back in the day, his daily efforts, it was generations down the road that really deemed it great and valuable. Other artists back in that day, their work is worth millions now. If it was worth millions then, I guarantee most of them wouldn’t have been as depressed as they may have been. Robert Bruce: Yeah. Picasso is great. I could talk about Picasso all day long. That is a good example because he is one of those few that did actually enjoy great success during his lifetime, but he also went the other way with what we’re discussing here and called himself ‘great’ from an early age. However, there are examples of where it does work. He was striving for something beyond what I think most people strive for. Those cases are so rare. Very, very few could ever get away with what he got away with. Brian Gardner: So one of the problems I think we have is that we focus too much on the audience and the user. It really taints and distorts why we do what we do. If it’s not a passion project and it becomes an audience project, then it becomes work. For me, I don’t like to design and do things creatively where I feel like the heat to do something successful or the heat to do something that might sell. If I do, those are the ones that usually fall flat anyhow. Focusing on the Fundamentals of Your Craft Brian Gardner: I love the idea of creating to create. I even tweeted a couple nights ago, just saying, “I just want to create to create.” Those are the types of works that typically are the ones that end up more successful. Pamela, from our company, also said something to me the other day in a call that we had which made a ton of sense. “We focus too much on pushing ourselves on others and should focus more on pulling them in.” Robert Bruce: That is interesting. You are an example, though. We talked about this a few days ago. Take the WordPress premium theme market, which you pioneered. I don’t know, because I wasn’t there. I didn’t know you at the time. You were in a position where I bet there was a lot of fun and a lot of freedom in that, at least in the beginning stages. But you also had an idea that there would be, or likely was, a market for premium themes. It was kind of a perfect combination of the two things. Then it went crazy and gets out of hand. It becomes more work than maybe you anticipated, of course, later on. In the beginning, I would bet that you had the audience in mind for that. Would you agree with that or disagree? Brian Gardner: Yeah. It was a supply and demand situation. Clearly, I realized there was a huge demand for something, so I had to supply it. Back then, I was working a day job. At the very beginning of the premium WordPress theme deal, it was still a passion for me. I didn’t need to put food on the table with it. It just turned out that I was so passionate about it that it obviously transpired over to the users. Bono, Being 16 and Taking Over the World Brian Gardner: When things are new — ‘shiny new toy’ syndrome — it was all about creating and doing whatever anybody wanted. I was learning so much back then. I overanalyzed the market, and I tried to find holes where they’re not. It’s a different situation. I was young and dumb. I didn’t know what I was doing back then. Robert Bruce: Bono had a great quote. This was years ago. He said, “When you’re 16, you think you can take over the world, and sometimes you’re right.” Sometimes in that ignorance, you can create amazing things that set the world on fire, or set a market on fire in the context of what we’re talking about here. Brian Gardner: That reminds me a lot of Chrissie Wellington. I’m an endurance person. I run a lot. Chrissie Wellington is a triathlete. A few years ago, she was interviewed during her first Ironman World Championship down in Kona, Hawaii. She was asked, “Chrissie, how do you think you’re going to do?” She’s like, “I have no idea. I’ve not done this before.” Why Passion Projects Are Tough in the Context of Business Robert Bruce: Let me say this. Back to the idea of creating for an audience. Last week we touched on it. You can create and build things without thinking about an audience or thinking about a market all you want. That’s a good thing to do. Projects for yourself, ‘passion projects’ as you put it. Again, in the context of business, that is tough. If you want to go that route, very few, a tiny percentage
28 minutes | Apr 22, 2015
How Our Obsession With Greatness Kills The Ability to Do Good Work
The pressure to be great — well, so great that it cripples us — injects us with expectations that are typically unrealistic. We spin our wheels trying to write that epic post. But we have a tendency to measure ourselves up so inadequately to those we admire — so much so that, in the end, we don t write anything. It s ok to focus on being great, but not at the expense of being good. You can t reach the summit unless you start at the base of the mountain. In this 27-minute episode Robert Bruce and I discuss: Audio vérité and the Blair Witch Project Keira Knightley in Begin Again and Anna Kendrick in The Last Five Years The age of the golden-throated radio announcer being over When admiration becomes resentment The abuse of the DIY ethic Robert s podcast Allegorical and why it might fail Why it s important to consider your audience Listen to No Sidebar below ... Download MP3 Subscribe by RSS Subscribe in iTunes The Show Notes The Blair Witch Project John Gruber’s Daring Fireball Begin Again The Last Five Years Allegorical with Robert Bruce NoSidebar.com Rainmaker.FM is Brought to You By Discover why more than 80,000 companies in 135 countries choose WP Engine for managed WordPress hosting. Start getting more from your site today! The Transcript How Our Obsession with Greatness Kills the Ability to Do Good Work Robert Bruce: This is Rainmaker.FM, the digital marketing podcast network. It’s built on the Rainmaker Platform, which empowers you to build your own digital marketing and sales platform. Start your free 14-day trial at RainmakerPlatform.com. Brian Gardner: There is sound advice from Robert Bruce. Robert Bruce: And that’s the end of the podcast right there. We’re done. Brian Gardner: The 30-second podcast. No Sidebar the podcast is brought to you by an event called Authority Rainmaker. This is a carefully designed live educational experience that presents a complete and effective online marketing strategy to help you immediately accelerate your business. Get all the details right now at Rainmaker.FM/Event, and we look forward to seeing you in Denver, Colorado, this May. Welcome back to No Sidebar. This is Brian Gardner, your host, and today is going to be a completely different day than any other in No Sidebar podcast history. For the first time ever, I am going to go completely unscripted, and I’m trying something new, partly because I’ve gained a little bit of confidence with my ability to speak elegantly, but also because I’ve gotten some feedback from the listeners that while the content of the show is great, at times it sounds and feels scripted. Trust me, I am the first one to admit that and to say, “Yes, you are right.” So joining me today to help me cut my teeth is Robert Bruce, who — if you don’t know — is the golden voice of Copyblogger. He’s also the Vice President of Marketing for the Rainmaker Platform and the guy who’s completely in charge of Rainmaker.FM, the podcast network. Audio Vérité and the Blair Witch Project Robert Bruce: Good morning, Mr. Gardner. Good morning, No Sidebar listeners. I was thinking, you wanted to just start recording and start talking. In film, it’s cinema vérité, I think, where they just grab the camera and try to make a movie out of everyday occurrences. So this is a bit of audio vérité, I think. Brian Gardner: You know, it’s funny. The Blair Witch Project, back in our day, was almost the first reality TV or reality something, even though it totally was scripted — but it totally wasn’t. It was so good and actually better than reality TV, because I’m an advocate of the fact that reality TV is anything but. But The Blair Witch Project, as I watched that and watch it again, even to this day, I’m like, “Was that real, or was it not?” Robert Bruce: The great thing about Blair Witch is that it’s the ultimate demonstration of creating within constraints. They had no budget. I don’t know, maybe there’s some secret budget that they had, but the cameras they were using, the way they filmed it, absolutely. Anybody who thinks they can’t get anything done because of certain constraints, financial or otherwise, go watch Blair Witch. To be fair, Brian, the scripting thing is an interesting idea because the idea of writing a script is that you want the thing to be good. You want it to be focused. You want it to be interesting. But it’s one of the hardest things to do naturally. You’ve done a very, very good job of it. It’s a difficult task, but this is interesting today. Brian Gardner: I love the idea of a script, and it is a crutch. The problem is that in most cases, when things get overused, they’re perceived as being overused. Women and makeup are a perfect example of this. When people put on makeup, they use it to look beautiful, but sometimes they go so over the top and put on so much makeup, it becomes a turnoff. We’re overproduced by nature. We build for consumption, which immediately sets ourselves up for people-pleasing tendencies, and that’s what I’ve done with the podcast. I’m trying to address that by being more natural. I think there’s a lot of beauty in natural. And podcasts I hear, when I hear people scripted, I’m the first one to say, “Huh, that’s scripted.” Then I’m like, “That’s calling the kettle black, because look in the mirror. That’s exactly what I’m doing.” So this is my opportunity to try something new, and I will admit that having you on the show to do it with me is bittersweet. Here’s the thing — and this is part of what I want to talk about — before we get started, I just want to set the tone and say that Robert and I are going to talk about being confidently creative. That is the focus of today’s show because in our own ways, both he and I struggle. Ironically, it’s with each other’s skills, actually. I want to be a better podcaster, so I look at you as the golden voice of podcasting, which at times cripples me, but it also motivates me. I think, from a design perspective, it goes the other way. We’ve had conversations where you hate me for my ability to just hop on and design something very quickly. Robert Bruce: Yes. Brian Gardner: As long as those things are kept in check, I think they’re positive. Robert Bruce: Yeah, I do hate you for that, and at some point, you were going to give me 10 hours free training with Illustrator and Photoshop or something like that. Is that the deal? Brian Gardner: Yes, we have Authority Rainmaker in May. I think we sit down in Denver at a coffee shop at 11 o’clock one night and close it down, and we will podcast and design on the fly and teach each other stuff. Robert Bruce: All right, this is on the record. Real quick, on the natural thing, it’s an interesting point you bring up because this entire thing is wholly unnatural — hitting ‘record,’ talking into a microphone. Even though we’re having a relatively casual conversation here, it’s completely unnatural, and I think that’s something that people should keep in mind, even when they are trying to be ‘authentic’ or ‘natural.’ One of the best things I ever heard about this was when John Gruber over at Daring Fireball told a story about the early days of his site. I think he was testing out advertising. He was looking at how to start to make some revenue with the site early on. I don’t know if he came up with it or if he read it somewhere, but it was this idea of matching advertising with your audience’s interests, which is a very difficult thing to do if you’re going to try and do it. He said it’s kind of like a toupee as well. You brought up the makeup issue, but for men, a lot of men have hair troubles, you and I included, right? Brian Gardner: Yes. Robert Bruce: But he says a lot of guys will go full-bore with the plugs or the toupee or whatever, and I get it. You want to have what you once had, but he says the way to look at it is the Bruce Willis school of hair restoration. He says what Bruce Willis did was not try to recreate his original hairline, but just fill in the basics of what was there. He’s still balding. He’s still receding. But it’s a more natural approach to it. Totally unnatural, but somehow it works better, and you’d never know it. Brian Gardner: That’s definitely interesting. Robert Bruce: No Sidebar, the hair restoration podcast. Brian Gardner: Yes, and the funny thing with toupees is that most people who wear toupees look like they’re wearing toupees. So in their mind, they think, “I have hair.” In our minds, it s,”You’re wearing a toupee, and I can clearly see that.” Here’s the thing, though. Yesterday I was having some internal conversations with myself and trying to identify where I’m at currently with what I’m doing, and I came up with this thought which really started to spell things out for me. The thought I had was that the more I focus on being great, the less I succeed at being good. In our society, everybody wants to be the elite, and we all aim for the top. There really isn’t anything wrong with that. For example, I try to write the epic post, and because I can’t write the epic post, I don’t write at all. That’s kind of symptomatic of the good-versus-great thing, where we feel like if we can’t be the best, we shouldn’t do it at all. I think that is absolutely wrong. I think by working on being good, you become great. Robert Bruce: I was told once by a coach years ago when I did sports stuff — it’s
15 minutes | Apr 15, 2015
The No Sidebar Guide to DIY Podcasting
In a world that is filled with ambitious online entrepreneurs, it s time to jump ahead and learn how to produce your own podcast. Audio is a great way to create content, and something I had never done before. There was a mystery around it — almost taboo in my own mind — that intrigued me and made me want to do it. So I taught myself the very basics of podcasting, and today I ll share with you some of the things I ve done wrong, and how I managed to get them right. In this 14-minute episode I discuss: Choosing the right podcast format Choosing the right podcast equipment Choosing the right podcast process Listen to No Sidebar below ... Download MP3 Subscribe by RSS Subscribe in iTunes The Show Notes Guitar Center Bluebird Microphone Instagram of my podcast studio My “that moment when ” tweet NoSidebar.com Rainmaker.FM is Brought to You By Discover why more than 80,000 companies in 135 countries choose WP Engine for managed WordPress hosting. Start getting more from your site today! The Transcript The No Sidebar Guide to DIY Podcasting Voiceover: This is Rainmaker.FM, a digital marketing podcast network. It’s built on the Rainmaker Platform, which empowers you to build your own digital marketing and sales platform. Start your free 14-day trial at RainmakerPlatform.com. Brian Gardner: Hey everyone, welcome to the No Sidebar podcast. I m your host, Brian Gardner, and I m here help you identify the things that stand in the way of building your online business. Together we ll learn how to eliminate the unnecessary, increase conversion, design a better business, and build a more beautiful web. Last week Allison and I talked about establishing online personas and how they can impact your business. We asked ourselves, What would you do if you only had one shot at writing your social media bio if you were limited to saying all that you wanted to about yourself in 140 characters or less. Fortunately for us there s an edit button that allows us to update the things we want to say about ourselves. It gives us the freedom to be lots of things and present that as we see fit. Speaking of being lots of things, that brings me to today s episode. Podcasting. Podcasting is huge way huge, like soon it might become a medium that online entrepreneurs *have* to do, or they fear getting left behind. Podcasting is so big that our company built an entire network and betting quite a bit of our future on it. So big that we built functionality into the Rainmaker Platform so that the world could have easy access to doing it and publishing episodes on their website in just a few clicks. In other words, podcasting is now DIY. That s do-it-yourself, for those of you keeping score at home. You don t have to be a world-renown disc jockey to pull this off. You have all of the tools you need to put your voice all over the internet for millions of people to hear at your fingertips. Never before has the idea of podcasting been so fun. Until you try. It sounds easy. It sounds fun. And it sounds like everyone else and their brother are doing it. I mean, how hard can it be? Well let me tell you something as a person who s never done it before, and as a person who dislikes being seen and heard onstage, podcasting is tougher than you think. I thought that all I had to do is hit record, say some witty things and throw it up on iTunes and I d be the next Ryan Seacrest. Then you listen back to your voice and you hate it. You hear all of the ums and you knows among awkward pauses and silences that seems to endlessly fill your show. This is me, once again talking entrepreneur to entrepreneur. And fittingly, talking once again about that dirty word fear. Welcome to the No Sidebar guide to DIY podcasting. This is Brian Gardner and I m going to share the story of how I came to realize that podcasting is only as tough as you let it be. But before I do, here s something you should know. No Sidebar is brought to you by Authority Rainmaker, a carefully designed live educational experience that presents a complete and effective online marketing strategy to help you immediately accelerate your business. Don’t miss the opportunity to see Dan Pink, Sally Hogshead, punk legend Henry Rollins, and many other incredible speakers … not to mention the secret sauce of it all: building real-world relationships with other attendees. Get all the details right now at rainmaker.fm/event, and we look forward to seeing you in Denver, Colorado this May. That’s rainmaker.fm/event. My Experience So Far With Podcasting Ok, so I decided to take a little bit of a break with the show to talk about my experience so far with podcasting. I thought this was a great time to share the journey, and thought that would be a much more effective no to mention a more believable approach to all of this. Audio is a great way to create content, and something I had never done before. And there was a mystery around it almost taboo in my own mind that intrigued me and made me want to do it. Much the same as it was for me and bungee jumping, I saw other folks doing it and wanted to get in the game. But my fear of heights or in this case my fear of public speaking continually got in the way. You see, everything scary is a great idea until you go to do it, right? Here are 3 things I ve done wrong with podcasting, and consequently 3 things I ve done right (and to correct them) with podcasting. #1: Choosing the Right Podcast Format Early this year when I was told that I was doing a podcast the format of the show was the first thing I knew I had to figure out. Social anxiety, stage fright, glossophobia whatever you call it man, I had it and thought I needed a crutch on the show to lean on. Naturally I thought the interview format was the right one for me, because the thought of doing a monologue was more than daunting. I mean, all I had to do was write up a few questions, pull in some favors from some of my well-known friends and record away right? Eh, not so fast. After just one yes, I said one interview I practically pivoted 180 degrees on the format of my show. It was probably a bit premature, but when I sat down and listened to the 47 minute interview that I had recorded I wanted to throw in the towel immediately. When you hear yourself up against someone who actually knows how to talk, you feel completely and totally inadequate. It s like bench-pressing the bar next to a guy who s got four plates on each side. So the day I heard my first interview was also the day I was supposed to get on a call with Chris Brogan to go over what I wanted to discuss in the interview I had scheduled with him. With my tail between my legs, I confided immediately in him and shared my fears and what I was literally going through as we were speaking. Chris is such a chill guy and someone I always enjoy working with. He s got a way of calming you, and making you realize that everything is going to be okay. Like a mom soothing a baby or something. He did that with me, and gave me a few ideas and pieces of advice that I followed and will be sharing in a later episode of the show. After I got off that call, I dialled up Robert Bruce from our team and talked through some things with him. He has the golden voice, and you might know him from the
19 minutes | Apr 8, 2015
How Establishing an Online Persona Can Impact Your Business
Knowing how to position yourself is key to being successful. Those who get it right are great examples of what to do, and what not to do. What would you do if you only had one shot at writing your social media bio — if you were limited to saying all that you wanted to about yourself in 140 characters or less. Fortunately for us there s an edit button that allows us to update the things we want to say about ourselves. It gives us the freedom to be lots of things and present them as we see fit. In this 18-minute episode Allison Vesterfelt and I discuss: Erin Loechner s about page and how we relate to it A concept called idea derailment Being creatures of habit and maintaining personas What the experts say about positioning yourself Social media profiles and the edit button Anna Kendrick s tweet about “holding it together” Brian the person vs. Brian the “entrepreneur” The Pole Position effect and being consistent Listen to No Sidebar below ... Download MP3 Subscribe by RSS Subscribe in iTunes The Show Notes Erin Loechner s article “Avatar” Erin Loechner s About Page Carlee s tweet about Peter Anna Kendrick s “Holding it Together” tweet NoSidebar.com Rainmaker.FM is Brought to You By Discover why more than 80,000 companies in 135 countries choose WP Engine for managed WordPress hosting. Start getting more from your site today! The Transcript How Establishing an Online Persona Can Impact Your Business Voiceover: This is Rainmaker FM, the digital marketing podcast network. It’s built on the Rainmaker platform, which empowers you to build your own digital marketing and sales platform. Start your free 14 day trial at RainmakerPlatform.com. Brian Gardner: Hey everyone, welcome to the No Sidebar podcast. I’m your host Brian Gardner, and I’m here to help you identify the things that stand in the way of building your online business. Together, we’ll learn how to eliminate the unnecessary, increase conversion, design a better business, and build a more beautiful web. Last week we talked with Joshua Becker, about how a minimalist design made an unexpected impact on his book sales. Today I’m back with Allison Vesterfelt, and we’re going to share our thoughts on personas, why we have them, and how hard they are to handle online. But before we start, there’s something you should know. No Sidebar is brought to you by Authority Rainmaker, a carefully designed live educational experience that presents a complete and effective online marketing strategy to help you immediately accelerate your business. Don’t miss the opportunity to see Dan Pink, Sally Hogshead, punk legend Henry Rollins, and many other incredible speakers not to mention the secret sauce of it all: building real world relationships with other attendees. Get all the details right now at rainmaker.fm/event, and we look forward to seeing you in Denver Colorado this May. That’s rainmaker.fm/event. Erin Loechner s About Page and How We Relate To It Brian Gardner: Okay, so we’re back in the saddle with Allison Vesterfelt, and this should definitely be a fun show. We have plans today to do our own thing. You, your thing, my thing. This morning I came across an article by Erin Loechner, who is one of my favorite writers – no offense to you. Not only do I love the design of her website, she also demonstrates vulnerability and authenticity in a way that you seldom see these days. You and I talk about that all the time, or huge proponents of it, and so for us, it makes sense that we’re fans of her. Before I get to what she said, let’s talk about her about page. I think for her, that says it all. By day, I research trends and change diapers and design products and delete emails and speak at international events and say another prayer and brew another coffee and travel the world and read a chapter and kiss a skinned knee and battle imperfections and curate art and fry bacon and change my outfit and honor my husband and write essays and style lookbooks and sing lullabies and search for that ubiquitous missing sock yet again. By night, I write it all (mostly) down here. By here, we’re talking about her blog, which is called Design for Mankind. In other words, she’s really no different than any of us. We all have busy lives. One could argue that in a way, we all relate. What do you think? Allison Vesterfelt: Well, I know, I totally relate. One of the things I love about the way that page is written is just how disjointed it feels, and I used that word in a really positive way. I’m thinking, even as I sit here, it’s like, I’m in my workout clothes still because I haven’t quite gotten around to working out or showering or getting ready today, and just thinking about all the different things I do in a day, and how sometimes they can feel so disjointed, but they do all fall under this umbrella of who I am. So many times in this crazy entrepreneurial life I live, I’ve thought, “Someday, this is all going to make more sense. My life is going to feel more streamlined.” I think there are even days when I think to myself, Okay, I m really going to try to focus my energies and focus my attentions and make my life – my schedules really clear, and I’m going to do exactly this thing, on this day, at this time, and only do this thing on these days at this time. And even no matter how much I try to organize my life like that, it does feel like this mishmash of all these different roles and responsibilities I have. Sometimes they feel really disconnected but at the end of the day they’re all connected, because they’re connected by me, and by my ideas and passions and insights, and gifts, and strengths. In the way she writes that about page, there’s a sort of freedom in it. To say, “I’m lots of different things.” From her perspective, “I’m a mom, and I’m a wife, and I’m a speaker, and I’m a cook”, and all these different things. “I’m the one who looks for the missing sock and some of those roles might sound more glamorous than others, but they’re all just a part of who she is. I can totally, totally identify with that. A Concept Called Idea Derailment Brian Gardner: The funny thing here is that we are recording a podcast episode as a result of a point we were going to make in another podcast episode, which was, three distractions in our life, email, social media. And the third one was this hard to explain thing that we call idea derailment maybe. Where our heads are going one way, and we see something, and in this case, it was the blog post from Erin, that derailed my day. I was going to record another podcast episode all by myself. We had talked a little bit on Skype this morning, and I came across her post, and all of a sudden, that was the thing to do today. Which was, take the post, talk to you about it, kind of write up a script around that, and all of a sudden, here we are recording a different podcast episode because of what we call, idea derailment. Let’s get to what she said in her post today. If you head over to her blog, just look for a post called Avatar. Here’s the skinny on it. “We know that labels are for jars, and we know that we are not jars. And yet, it is an easy trap, boxing ourselves into characters or avatars, for brevity’s sake, of course. We have 140 characters, 5 minutes in the elevator, 10 minutes at a dinner party to explain ourselves, to introduce the passion that beats within our soul. To announce to the world, or whoever is in front of us, yes, yes, this is who I am. This is how I will define myself.” She goes on to say, “And yet, surely she does. Surely we all do, acting in ways that seem unfit for our characters. We are this and that, half something and half something else entirely, and I’ve often thought about the repercussions of defining ourselves so flippantly online.” Totally agree with you there, Erin. In fact, I was so moved by her post that I decided to leave a comment. Here’s what I wrote. “I am a creature of habit and spend a lot of my time maintaining the persona that I created, rather than looking for new ways to reinvent it.” What the Experts Say About Positioning Yourself Brian Gardner: Ally, you and I have talked a lot about being unfiltered. In fact, we’ve talked it to death, and it’s something we seem to always come back to. Why do you think that is? Allison Vesterfelt: I guess I think it’s because this is something that most of us, or at least you and I are, I’m assuming there are other people out there too, we’re wrestling with it on a daily basis. That’s what I love so much about this post from Erin is, I think especially in an age where we are forced to define ourselves on so many different occasions. She talks about the 140 characters, 5 minutes in an elevator, 10 minutes at a dinner party, there are all these moments when we just have this brief second to define ourselves to somebody else, and to communicate to them what it is about us that is most important. How do you do that? Because there are so many different aspects of us that are all important, so how do I communicate to someone, “Am I a writer, am I a wife, am I a daughter, am I a sister, am I a friend, or am I all of those things?” If I only have 140 characters to communicate something like that, which of them do I say first, and which of them do I emphasize? I just think that can be really confusing. For me, the confusion is heightened I think by a couple of things. Number one, that we’re all living in our personal brands, in an age where social media rules the world. Number two, that I’m an ent
19 minutes | Apr 1, 2015
How a Minimalist Design Made an Unexpected Impact on Book Sales
Understanding who is viewing your website, and why you should incorporate a natural flow of expected behavior that increases conversion. Once in a while you make a decision that affects your business and 100% of your revenue stream. Such was the case with Joshua Becker of Becoming Minimalist, except that he had someone else to share the blame with when things fell apart — me. Nearly a year ago, I redesigned his website, and along the way I insisted we remove his sidebar … which was where he was selling his books. In the spirit of minimalism, we felt it was necessary and the impact it had was something neither one of us expected. In this 18-­minute episode Joshua Becker and I discuss: The prequel to his website, Becoming Minimalist The burden of our possessions and the things on our website How Becoming Minimalist got started The story of how we met and thoughts on the redesign Removing the sidebar and the effect that had on his book sales Leo Babauta and selling your readers attention The Proxima Nova typeface #brocation in Breckenridge and our ski run down Briar Rose Listen to No Sidebar below ... Download MP3 Subscribe by RSS Subscribe in iTunes The Show Notes Becoming Minimalist Simplify Book Clutterfree With Kids Book Proxima Nova from Typekit NoSidebar.com Rainmaker.FM is Brought to You By Discover why more than 80,000 companies in 135 countries choose WP Engine for managed WordPress hosting. Start getting more from your site today! The Transcript How a Minimalist Design Made an Unexpected Impact on Book Sales Brian Gardner: Hey everyone, welcome to the No Sidebar podcast. I m your host Brian Gardner, and I m here to help you identify the things that stand in the way of building your online business. Together we ll learn how to eliminate the unnecessary, increase conversion, design a better business, and build a more beautiful web. Alright, so last week I spent some time sharing my journey from my desk job to dream job, and how that process encompassed that dirty word – fear. It s something I had to overcome to get to where I am at today, and it definitely didn t come without challenges. Today, I want to lighten things up a little bit, and I have a very special guest that I am excited to talk to. Before we get there, here s something important I would like you to know. No Sidebar is brought to you by Authority Rainmaker, a carefully designed live educational experience that presents a complete and effective online marketing strategy to help you immediately accelerate your business. Don t miss the opportunity to see Dan Pink, Sally Hogshead, punk legend Henry Rollins and many other incredible speakers not to mention the secret sauce of it all: building real world relationships with other folks. Get all the details right now at rainmaker.fm/event. And we look forward to seeing you in Denver, Colorado this May. That s rainmaker.fm.event. Well after a conversation with his neighbor in 2008, my guest and his family decided to become minimalists and intentionally live with few possessions. They immediately cleared the clutter from their home, and their lives. As a result, they found a better way to live set on more important pursuits. It s been a journey of discovering that abundant life is actually found in owning less, and it still ranks as one of the best decisions they have ever made. His story has been seen on the CBS Evening News, NPR, The Boston Globe, Wall Street Journal and countless other media interviews around the world. His book Simplify and Clutter Free with Kids made him a bestselling author. Not do I only have the pleasure of having him on the show today, I also consider him a personal friend. So without further ado, I d like to introduce today s guest, Joshua Becker. Joshua, welcome to the show, and thank you so much for making the time to be here. Joshua Becker: Hey, it s a pleasure to be here Brian. You are a good friend, you have been super helpful to me in life and online, so it s a pleasure to have this conversation. I m looking forward to it. The Prequel to his Website, Becoming Minimalist Brian Gardner: Now before we get into what you are doing, and where you are at now, can you give us a little history of where you have been? I know you have spent some time in Vermont and Nebraska. What s the prequel to Becoming Minimalist? Joshua Becker: Yeah, I m happy to give the back story. I don t know how far back you want to go? I grew up in the Midwest – South Dakota, North Dakota. I went to college in Nebraska. I got a degree in banking and finance, and then went to work at churches as a pastor. So that s a natural segue from finance and into pastoring. I started work at churches in Nebraska, Wisconsin, and Vermont. I loved what I was doing – just being involved in people s lives. A pretty typical middle class suburban lifestyle is what I grew up in and what I ve always lived with. The number of pay increases and job promotions, bigger churches, bigger paychecks. Each time we moved, we bought a bigger house and more stuff. I just kind of lived in this pretty typical American dream lifestyle that people would think of. As you mentioned, it was a conversation I had with my neighbor, when I was cleaning out the garage on a Saturday morning. My son, who was 5 at the time, was alone in the backyard, and just the realization that all this stuff I was owning, was not just making me happy, but it was actually distracting me. It was actually taking me away from the things that did bring happiness in my life. And by that I mean, it was distracting my time, and energy, and focus and that began our story six years ago of deciding to own less, on purpose. Becoming Minimalist was the website we started first just to journal our progress. And then eventually become a place where we hoped to inspire others to find the same life change that we have discovered. The Burden of Our Possessions and the Things on Our Website Brian Gardner: So the website is designed to inspire others, to pursue their greatest passions by owning fewer possessions, right? Most of the stuff you write about on the site is that – owning fewer possessions. And the directive, like you think, that has on happiness. So do you think this kind of mentality goes beyond what you own? Perhaps other areas in life are applicable to the same kind of thinking? Joshua Becker: Yeah, I don t think we have any realization of how much of a burden our possessions had become, until we tried to remove them. And for me it was when I was cleaning the garage, and my son had spent all morning by himself, I think we all know, or at least we would all say that we know our possessions aren t making us happy. No one ever says they are looking for happiness in the things that they own. But for me, and for most of us, it was a deeper realization that not only are my possessions not making me happy, but they are taking me away from the very things that do bring happiness and fulfilment into my life. And so the removal of them, and the intentional decision to just own the things that I needed to fulfil what I need to fulfil in my life, was one of the most life giving decisions that we ever made. Brian Gardner: I love what you said about our possessions and that we don t realize how much of a burden they become until we try to remove them. You also talk about the deeper realization that not only do these things not make you happy, they take away from the things you want to do. It seems like I always take ideas like this over to the world of design, and I guess that s second nature. Honestly, this is often how I feel about websites as well. For me this was something that became so true of my own website. As I mentioned in the first episode of the show, it became evident to me that there were things that I had on my website which didn t belong, and I could do without. It s probably the same thing that you and Kim found with your possessions, and the happiness you weren t experiencing as well. How Becoming Minimalist Got Started Brian Gardner: Well speaking of websites, let s talk for a minute about yours – Becoming Minimalist. Tell us a little bit about how that got started. Joshua Becker: The quick story is I started the website much on a whim. It was a Saturday morning and the website maybe began that Monday evening, just I was going to start writing about what I was doing and what I was getting rid of and the things that I was learning. And there was no intentionality to it. BecomingMinimalist.WordPress.com was free to sign up and the domain was available. So I got it. Looking back I am probably only doing what I do now because I made that decision, just on a whim obviously. We wrote for maybe about a year and a half. I wrote a post on belts. It was like 18 months we had gone through our house in six or nine months and I m just trying to figure out, what in the heck am I going to write about? I just remember Belts was the title of it. And I said, Belts. How come I never thought of that before. And started labelling the belts I got rid of. And I m like, What am I doing? I think I have written enough about myself here, and so the very next post was, Hey, here s some things that I have learned about becoming minimalist. So it went from my journey, and into Hey, how can we inspire others to find this. And that s when the real growth of the website took off. When it was less about me, and became more about the reader. The Story of How We Met and Thoughts on the Redesign Brian Gardner: So some time goes by, and you have this very successful website and things are going well for you. Traffic is increasing, your Facebook page is growing and book sales are on the rise, and then I come along. I don t remember the exact story, but I do know that it happened on social media and I probably overstepped my bounds at the time. What I do know is I wanted to chal
12 minutes | Mar 25, 2015
The Single Word That Can Cripple Any Online Entrepreneur
Fear is one of the dirtiest words in the English language — and something that every one of us faces. I ve been an online entrepreneur for eight years now, and I have said I am afraid an infinite amount of times. You d think that working on the Internet, where it s easy to hide and take shots without really being known, would lessen the pain. In 2007, I faced my greatest leap of faith when I left a cushy job as a project manager for an architectural firm to become a freelance web designer. At the time, I didn’t know that that journey would be full of ups and downs, and that it wouldn t be the only time I had to make a serious choice. In this 12-minute episode I discuss: Dictionary.com’s definition of the word “fear” The Boston real estate agent who rejected a freelance design How the premium WordPress theme market started When I left my job to go out on my own The fateful phone call from Brian Clark My personal challenge to listeners of No Sidebar Listen to No Sidebar below ... Download MP3 Subscribe by RSS Subscribe in iTunes The Show Notes         The dictionary definition of fear The Industry Standard for Premium WordPress Themes Copyblogger.com NoSidebar.com Rainmaker.FM is Brought to You By Discover why more than 80,000 companies in 135 countries choose WP Engine for managed WordPress hosting. Start getting more from your site today! The Transcript The Single Word That Can Cripple Any Online Entrepreneur Brian Gardner: Hey everyone, welcome to the No Sidebar podcast. I m your host, Brian Gardner, and I m here help you identify the things that stand in the way of building your online business. Together we ll learn how to eliminate the unnecessary, increase conversion, design a better business, and build a more beautiful web. Last week we talked about the important keeping things real and how that helps set a firm foundation for your digital business. It s no secret that many of us struggle with who we are, and that validation is at the very top of our priority list. Social Media and the Internet make it really easy to wear a mask, but that habit can be devastating. Today I m going to take things a step further and talk about something that I m fairly confident we all have to deal with. Before I go any further, I have a few things to share. No Sidebar is brought to you by Authority Rainmaker, a carefully designed live educational experience that presents a complete and effective online marketing strategy to help you immediately accelerate your business. Do not miss the opportunity to see Dan Pink, Sally Hogshead, punk legend Henry Rollins and many other incredible speakers not to mention the secret sauce of it all: building real world relationships with other attendees. Get all the details right now at rainmaker.fm/event. And we look forward to seeing you in Denver, Colorado this May. That s rainmaker.fm/event. Here we go. Dictionary.com s Definition of the Word Fear It s only one word, and in my opinion it s the dirtiest word of the English language are you ready for it? Fear. According to dictionary.com, fear is a distressing emotion aroused by impending danger, evil, pain, etc., whether the threat is real or imagined; the feeling or condition of being afraid. Let s focus on the last word of that definition afraid. As in I am afraid. I can t tell you how many times I ve said that phrase. To my self. To others. Or to anyone else who would listen. I said it last year when I was asked to speak in front of 400 people on the same stage that was shared with Seth Godin and Darren Rowse. I said it in January when I was asked, or shall I say, told, that I d be doing a podcast that would be listened to by thousands of people. I think you know where I m heading with this. Am I right? I ve been an online entrepreneur for 8 years now, and I have said I am afraid an infinite amount of times. And you d think that working on the Internet, where it s easy to hide and take shots without really being known, would lessen the pain. Um NOT. I ve said it, and I ll say it again. I am afraid. Every time I open Photoshop, or get on a call, or hit the record button I m continuously obsessing over the idea that what I do, what I say, what I create won t be good enough or my work won t be validated. This is me. Unfiltered. Talking to you entrepreneur to entrepreneur. Let s go back in time to 2007 when I was stuck in a desk job that, while I was competent and enjoyed what I did, didn t actually fulfill me. Don t get me wrong, I loved who I worked with, and being around people but I was bored. Really bored and often questioned what my future looked like. So I began blogging on WordPress and taught myself how to design and develop themes which I started off giving away for free. At Copyblogger we would call this offering things of value to my audience which at the time I didn t even know what that meant. Little did I know that I was laying the groundwork to my entrepreneurial journey. Alongside the themes that I was allowing folks to download, I started blogging about the process, which ironically, we call content marketing. Content what? Yeah that. I was a newbie at this business thing, and I didn t have access to all of the wonderful resources that we make freely available over at Copyblogger. Fast forward a few months and I was still in my day job, making a few hundred dollars here and there doing freelance design work for folks who were using my themes. Life was good right? I mean we all aspire to moonlight in a job that we desperately want to leave, but can t right? The Boston Real Estate Agent Who Rejected a Freelance Design Well next comes my favorite part of my story the real estate agent whose rejection changed my life. A guy from Boston who, one day, I vowed to send on an all-expense paid trip to the Caribbean for being that guy who made this entire thing possible. I designed a custom WordPress theme for him. One that I thought was absolutely stellar, and that he would come back with rave reviews. One that I thought he d love and together we d ride off into the sunset. He hated it. Well, that s a little strong but in reality it was not at all what he wanted. He wanted simple, and I built complex. So I threw the design on the cutting room floor and gave him what he wanted. I was devastated because I thought my work was great. But all I was left with what a couple of files, $500 from him for the simple work and a bruised ego. How the Premium WordPress Theme Market Started So I did what all I have no idea what I m doing in the business world people do I went to my blog and asked the audience how much they would pay for a premium WordPress theme. You heard me right. Premium WordPress Theme. I was inundated and overwhelmed with the responses that I got in the comments of that life-altering blog post. In the business world, I learned that this is what they call demand, and I had an opportunity to supply. When I Left My Job to Go Out on My Own As a result of this cray-cray outpour of me want that I received, I figured I d slap up a website where people could purchase this theme. Month 1 $10,000 Month 2 $20,000 Month 3 $40,000 Month 4 $80,000 Those aren t cumulative numbers, my friends that was per month. At one point, I m pretty sure I had a conversation with my wife Shelly that went something like Uh, I think it s financially irresponsible for me to stay at my job and think I should do this full time. And the worst thing happened to me after I said that. She agreed. This meant I was faced with one of the biggest decisions of my life. One that impacted me. One that impacted her. And one that impacted my 3 year old. I was afraid. I had a full time job. I had insurance. I had a 401K plan. I had guaranteed vacation time. I had security. But I also had limitations financially and creatively. There were barriers that were practically untouchable and the things I wanted to do and places I wanted to go would have been infinitely placed on hold if I decided to stay in my comfort zone. But there was something exciting about the idea of working online. Something exhilarating about being one of those people who were lucky enough to bring a laptop to Starbucks and stay there all day to work. I knew deep in my heart this was a no-brainer decision and one that I d more than likely never regret. But I was afraid. Afraid that I d make the wrong call, that things would collapse and that I d bring my family down along the way. The voices in my head got louder. The skepticism haunted me and continually grew deeper. In my heart, I wanted to jump and not look back. So I did. Jump, that is. And you know what? I haven t looked back. It was my instinct that I followed back then, and one that didn t let me down. In fact, 3 years after making the leap, this company that I started was doing seven figures a year. You may have heard of it. We call it StudioPress. In 2010 I was living the dream. We had just moved into a really nice house one I thought we d never be able to afford. We were taking vacations to places I d never thought I d visit. Shelly was a stay-at-home-mom, and things were stable and safe. I thought to myself, Ok now this is nice. The Phone Call and Proposition from Brian Clark But then I learned a lesson in life that fear always has a way of coming back. Sometimes it s in the form of another experience or opportunity. And this time it came at me in the form of a call from Brian Clark. Yes, the Brian Clark from Copyblogger. He was a competitor of mine in the premium WordPress space, and had a legal background which always freaked me out. Like I was doing something wrong you know, in a I have no idea what the heck I m doing kinda way and that he d find something to sue over. Fortunately this wasn t the case. The gig he had going wasn t well going well
18 minutes | Mar 18, 2015
Digital Business, Authenticity, and the Freedom of Being Yourself
Why it s important to keep things real and how that helps set a firm foundation for your digital business. It s no secret that many of us struggle with who we are, and that validation is at the very top of our priority list. Social Media and the Internet make it really easy to wear a mask, but that habit can be devastating. Identifying the issue is a great place to start, but it requires a lot of ongoing work and maintenance. Thankfully there s a light at the end of the tunnel … and a way to get it right. In this 17-­minute episode Allison Vesterfelt and I discuss: How I met Allison and her husband Darrell Vulnerability, being unfiltered and balance The freedom of being you The difficulty of starting a podcast The idea behind our weekly newsletter, No Sidebar The Skype call that paved way for the future of the podcast Listen to No Sidebar below ... Download MP3 Subscribe by RSS Subscribe in iTunes The Show Notes Packing Light: Thoughts on Living Life with Less Baggage Ruthie Lindsey on The Great Discontent Brian Clark s Further.net project NoSidebar.com Rainmaker.FM is Brought to You By Discover why more than 80,000 companies in 135 countries choose WP Engine for managed WordPress hosting. Start getting more from your site today! The Transcript Business, Authenticity, and the Freedom of Being You Brian Gardner: Hey everyone, welcome to the No Sidebar podcast. I’m your host, Brian Gardner, and I’m here to help you identify the things that stand in the way of building your online business. Together, we’ll learn how to eliminate the unnecessary, increase conversion, design a better business and build a more beautiful web. So last week I answered five questions that have been frequently asked of me, and as you may recall, the first one was about the backstory of No Sidebar. I talked about a book that I read back in 2013, which played a huge roll in my quest for a simple life, and ultimately was the foundation of what we are now calling No Sidebar. Before I go any further, I have a few things I would like to say. No Sidebar is brought to you by Authority Rainmaker, a carefully designed live educational experience that presents a complete and effective online marketing strategy to help you immediately accelerate your business. Don’t miss the opportunity to see Dan Pink, Sally Hogshead, punk legend Henry Rollins and many other incredible speakers live not to mention the secret sauce of it all: building real world relationships with other attendees and having a chance to sit down and enjoy a cup of coffee with me at Starbucks. Get all the details right now at rainmaker.fm/event and we look forward to seeing you in Denver, Colorado this May. That’s rainmaker.fm/event. How I Met Allison and Her Husband Darrell Brian Gardner: Okay, let’s get the ball rolling here. So that book I mentioned, “Packing Light” was written by a special person. Her name is Allison Vesterfelt and not only has she become a very good friend of mine, she just so happens to be on today’s show. It felt right asking her to come on because I really don’t think that No Sidebar would be here today if it wasn’t for her book. It really was that impactful. I honestly don’t remember how I came across the book, but it led me to her website, which at the time was built on WordPress. A few weeks later I went back to her site and noticed that it had been moved to Squarespace, which I thought was odd. So I did what every normal WordPress fanatic would do, which is send a direct message to her husband Darrell, a guy I had never met. I don’t remember exactly what I wrote, but the gist of it was, “Hey man, curious why you switched your wife’s site over to Squarespace?” I was pretty surprised when he wrote back right away and we exchanged a number of geeky messages about that decision. Around the same time, I was in the process of designing the Beautiful Pro theme we sell over at StudioPress. I offered it to him as a peace offering and said, “Hey, I’ll give you this theme I am working on for free, if you want to move Allison’s site back to WordPress.” He accepted, moved her site back, and I think a few weeks had passed when Darrell asked if I would be open with meeting up with them. They were promoting the book and knew they would be up here in my area, so naturally I said yes, and we met up at a very special place in Oak Park. And while we were there, she gave me something. The rest is pretty much history. And let’s fast-forward to where we are at today. Now I have the privilege of introducing my good friend, author of Packing Light and fellow contributor over at No Sidebar, Allison Vesterfelt. Why don’t we recount that first day when we met? Allison Vesterfelt: We met at Starbucks that day I think, because you and Darrell had started communicating and we met at Starbucks and I handed you a copy of my book. I don’t think I really expected you to read it because I hand lots of people copies of my book. But within a couple of days you had written about it on your website and it seemed like the book had really impacted you. Brian Gardner: Yeah, I don’t think you have any idea how much it really did impact me. And I think when you gave me the book Packing Light, you soon realized it had been ten years since I had actually finished one. And I will blame my wife Shelly for revealing that secret. Allison Vesterfelt: That was so funny when I heard her say that. She just said, “I knew he must have liked that book because I have never seen him read a book start to finish like that, since we’ve been married and he couldn’t put it down.” Anyway, that’s always fun to hear as the author of a book. Brian Gardner: Yeah, there was so many things that resonated with me as I read through the book, but one thing in particular stood out. You have this gift to unapologetically be you and I have to admit how infectious that is. You and I have talked a number of times about being unfiltered but I think it’s something that many people have a problem with. Maybe it’s fear or lack of confidence, but the bottom line though is that so many of us struggle with it. I found it was the stories and the emotions you shared when you were scared and when you questioned your journey the most, those were the ones in my head where I was thinking, “Yes, yes” to. Vulnerability, Being Unfiltered and Balance Allison Vesterfelt: It’s so funny to hear you say that because I think, while you are definitely not the first person who has said something like that to me, as often times when I travel and speak about the book, I’ll have people come up to me and say, “Wow, you are so vulnerable. I can’t believe you shared about such and such.” And they’ll repeat back to me a story I told and suddenly when they say it, I think to myself, “Oh my gosh, you’re right. Why did I tell that story? I can’t believe I did that.” But you know, I guess I don’t know if I can say it comes naturally, or maybe I’m just not thinking about it in the moment but it just sort of is kind of “what you see, is what you get.” Every once in a while I’ll have a moment where somebody will say, “I can’t believe you wrote about that thing with your marriage” or something like that. And I’m just like, “Whoa, yeah, I guess. I can’t believe I did that either.” Then all of a sudden it becomes clear to me that it was a really vulnerable thing to do. Brian Gardner: Personally I don’t think there is anything wrong with being vulnerable. And as someone who typically has no problem wearing his feelings and his emotions on his sleeve, I can say that fairly confidently. The Freedom of Being You Brian Gardner: One of the things that I struggle with the most though, is validation and approval. This goes way back to my childhood years and these days with social media it’s totally magnified. I know you and I have talked a lot about this before, and it’s interesting to me though to see where people draw the line. I know I have probably over shared myself on a number of occasions, but I think that line is quite wide and quite grey. I don’t know. I guess the key to all of it though is simply establishing some degree of balance, right? Allison Vesterfelt: I do think there is a healthy balance. I can remember when I first quit my job to be a full-time writer and I had been on Twitter for a while, it was the first time that I was blogging and sharing links to my blog on Twitter and sharing really strategically and intentionally, in order to drive traffic to my site. I have such vivid memories of sitting at my kitchen table and typing out a tweet with a link to my blog post and sitting there for like 30 minutes, staring at it, editing it, trying to fix it. Thinking to myself, “What could somebody say about this? Is somebody going to be mad?” And you know, so much energy and time was wasted over worrying about how people were going to respond to this or think about it. I probably had 300 Twitter followers at the time. And now I look back on that and just think, “Man, that was so much energy and time I wasted worrying about what other people were going to say about me, or think about me, or wonder about me, or how they could possibly respond.” There is just such freedom in knowing that you are not in charge of how people are going to respond to what you think, or what you say, and just having the freedom to be you and put yourself out there. There is definitely a ton of freedom in that. Brian Gardner: So a few months ago I came across an interview on The Great Discontent with Ruthie Lindsey, who I know you guys are friends
9 minutes | Mar 2, 2015
5 Things You Need to Know About No Sidebar
How a book, a creative agency and some idle time turned into a life­changing way of doing things. No Sidebar is a phrase that is only a few months old. The ideas behind it, however, date back to the end of 2013, when I came a cross a book called Packing Light written by a very good friend of mine, Allison Vesterfelt. This began a personal journey to look inward and I wanted to identify things I had in my own life that I deemed were unnecessary. As a guy who s spent the better part of the last decade being infatuated with design, I knew where the first logical place to start was my own website. In this 9-­minute episode I discuss: What s up with this No Sidebar thing The impact that Allison Vesterfelt s book Packing Light had No Sidebar going well beyond the literal meaning The types of people I d like to have on the show How Bill Kenney and Focus Lab impacted my current design style The format of the No Sidebar podcast Listen to No Sidebar below ... Download MP3 Subscribe by RSS Subscribe in iTunes The Show Notes Packing Light: Thoughts on Living Life with Less Baggage Bill Kenney and Focus Lab NoSidebar.com Rainmaker.FM is Brought to You By Discover why more than 80,000 companies in 135 countries choose WP Engine for managed WordPress hosting. Start getting more from your site today! The Transcript 5 Things You Need to Know About No Sidebar Brian Gardner: Hey everyone, welcome to the No Sidebar podcast. I m your host, Brian Gardner, and I m here to help you identify the things that stand in the way of building your online business. Together we ll learn how to eliminate the unnecessary, increase conversion, design a better business, and build a more beautiful web. That s the long version of the show description if you re looking for the cliff notes, I ll be talking about design, content and everything in between. Today is a monumental day for me as it marks the very first episode of the No Sidebar podcast. Before we get started I have a few things to mention. No Sidebar is brought to you by Authority Rainmaker, a carefully designed live educational experience that presents a complete and effective online marketing strategy to help you immediately accelerate your business. Don’t miss the opportunity to see Dan Pink, Sally Hogshead, punk legend Henry Rollins, and many other incredible speakers … not to mention the secret sauce of it all: building real-world relationships with other attendees and having the chance to sit down and enjoy a coffee with me at Starbucks. Get all the details right now at rainmaker.fm/event, and we look forward to seeing you in Denver, Colorado this May. That’s rainmaker.fm/event. Alright, now let s get on with the show. As I mentioned earlier, this is the very first episode of the No Sidebar podcast, and I wanted to kick things off by answering 5 questions that I ve been frequently asked over the past few months. The Impact That Allison Vesterfelt s Book Packing Light Had The first one up is Joe from Indiana. Joe writes: Hey man, I m gonna cut right to the chase. I ve been following you on social media for a while now, and see you ve been moving in a new direction with your stuff. What s this No Sidebar thing, and how did it come about? No Sidebar is something that, as a phrase, is only a few months old and I ll get back to that just here in a bit. Bigger picture, the ideas behind No Sidebar dates back to the end of 2013, when I came across a book called Packing Light written by a very good friend of mine, Allison Vesterfelt. Here s what she had to say about it: Just when I had given up all hope of finding the life I’d always dreamed about, I decided to take a trip to all fifty states…because when you go on a trip, you can’t take your baggage. What I found was that “packing light” wasn’t as easy as I thought it was. As I was reading through the book, I found myself resonating with a number of things that she was sharing many of which at the very core came back to the idea of living a simple and intentional life. This began a personal journey to look inward and I wanted to identify things I had in my own life that I deemed were unnecessary. As a guy who s spent the better part of the last decade being infatuated with design, I knew where the first logical place to start was my own website. I realized that I needed to figure out what the purpose of it was before I could go through and see what was necessary or not. That took a little bit of time, but was definitely worth it. At that point, I had a clear vision of what I needed on my website, and ultimately what I didn t need on my website. Ironically most of the things that I realized I didn t need were sitting in my sidebar, so instead of picking and choosing what should stay there, I simply removed it. I was able to find creative ways to display a few things that I knew I wanted to keep an email opt-in form, links to my social media accounts and whatnot. In the end, I took an approach to my website called intentional design. This is exactly what it sounds like being intentional with the design and layout of your website. For those of you who don t know me, I founded a company called StudioPress, where we sell premium WordPress themes. There I ve had the pleasure of designing a number of the themes we currently have available. It shouldn t come as a surprise to you that some of our themes have a very distinct look to them one that many would consider minimal design. This is something that I ve embraced over the last year, and some of those themes you guessed it have no sidebar. There s a whole lot more to the No Sidebar story, and I ll go into that in the questions that follow. No Sidebar Going Well Beyond the Literal Meaning Kim from Arizona asks: It seems to me that encouraging folks to remove a sidebar has a limited opportunity to change the world is that truly your angle, or do you have something in mind that goes well beyond that? That s a great question Kim, and no removing sidebars on a website isn t truly my angle. It s part of the angle, but definitely not all of it. One of the fears I had in calling this whole thing No Sidebar was that it would be taken literally and not metaphorically as I intended it to be. From a personal standpoint I have adopted the No Sidebar in areas that go well beyond my website, and that s really where I want to take this podcast. Yes, I ll definitely spend some time talking about minimal design, the removal of sidebars and what not, but at the core I think there s a much bigger conversation to be had. The Types of People I d Like to Have on the Show Ok, let s head south for a minute. Heather from Alabama asks this question: Ok, since you re truly not talking about just minimalism here, who are the types of people you hope to have on the show, and what does that look like for the audience you want to grow? A lot of the inspiration for the No Sidebar movement does come from what I ll call the usual suspect of simple living. This would include a few of my good friends such as Joshua Becker of Becoming Minimalist, Courtney Carver of Be More With Less and Tsh Oxenreider of The Art of Simple. I ll be weaving some of the episodes in and out of the topics they typically cover on their blogs, and this will focus primarily on the lifestyle element of No Sidebar but there s a whole other side to all of this, and that s the business and entrepreneurial side. Over there, I hope to interview and provide sound bites from folks like Brian Clark, Chris Brogan, Danielle Smith and Jeff Goins. There are countless others as well, but these will be among the first I ll reach out to. How Bill Kenney and Focus Lab Impacted My Current Design Style Here s a question that I expected to talk more about in a future episode, but I ll answer it in short here. Stacy from the state of California asks: I ve noticed that a lot of your design lately appears to be a reflection of this no sidebar mentality. Tell me about what goes on inside your mind with that where did it come from, who has influenced you, and what specifically are you trying to get across to those who follow you? You are correct, Stacy and yes, you re observations are completely on point. Over the last year or two I have adopted a minimalistic approach when it comes to web design. This covers many things from typography, to whitespace, mixed in with monochromatic color scheme as well as the obvious omission of sidebars. In short, I believe that in most cases, websites should be a reflection of the cliche “more is less.” There will be plenty of opportunities for me to explain what I really mean with all of this as the podcast moves forward. After all, design is something that I m really passionate about and want to share that with the audience. As far as those who I ve been influenced by, without a doubt the first person that comes to mind is Bill Kenney, from an agency called Focus Lab. I came across his work on Dribbble about two years ago, and I believe is some of the best stuff on the planet. Whenever I m having creative block, their portfolio page is one of the first places I go to and it usually doesn t take long for me to get up and going. The Format of the No Sidebar Podcast Last question my buddy Ken from mountains of eastern Idaho asks me: I ve been listening to Brian and Robert on the New Rainmaker podcast, and was really excited to hear them mention the podcast network a few weeks back on an episode. I m curious to know what kind of format you ll have at No Sidebar. This is a great question, and to be honest one that I m not sure I have a good answer to. I will say that there s a good story to tell about the format of the show, and the gist of it is that it has changed a number of times over the past couple of weeks. I had originally wanted to go with the straight interview
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