How the Filibuster Both Ruined and Made the Senate Great
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Americans like to think of the Senate as the greatest deliberative body in the world. Thomas Jefferson supposedly once asked George Washington, "Why did you pour that coffee into your saucer?" to which Washington responded, "To cool it." Then Washington went further. "We pour legislation into the senatorial saucer to cool it."
Senators have been "cooling" legislation for over 200 years with a variety of measures we call filibusters. And for nearly all of those years, people have argued that filibusters are, in fact, freezing legislation.
But it's not hard to find people — politicians, academics, historians — to vociferously defend the filibuster.On this week's podcast, how the filibuster both ruined the Senate and made it the greatest deliberative body in the world. Next week, the Senate will vote on a variety of filibuster reforms. Will we finally see a change in the rules?
We stopped by the office of current Senate Historian Donald Ritchie. He's written multiple books on Senate history, edited the transcripts of Senator Joseph McCarthy's closed hearings during the Red Scare, and done extensive oral histories of the senate. And he seemed genuinely excited to sit down and talk filibuster with me for 35 minutes. He knows more about Senate rules than anyone.Except maybe Robert Dove, who spent 35 years in the Senate Parliamentarian's office, twice serving as Senate Parliamentarian. As Parliamentarian, senators went to Dove for all Senate rules clarifications. He loves senate rules. Dove's lived by the same motto since 1966: "The rules of the Senate are perfect, and if they changed them all tomorrow, they would still be perfect." He shared some stories from his decades on the Senate floor, including the blow-by-blow of the time Senate Republicans, unhappy with his interpretation of the rules, fired him from his position in 2001.We also talk to Sarah Binder, a George Washington political science professor, senior fellow at the Brookings Institute, and author of a history on the filibuster, Politics or Principle: Filibustering in the United States.Finally, we talk to David Graham, an associate editor at The Atlantic. Graham has written about current filibuster reform efforts and will explain what's on the table right now.So stick with us through the podcast to learn how an overlooked 1807 rule change allowed for