47 minutes | Mar 5th 2021

MarvelVision: WandaVision Episode 9 – “The Series Finale”

It’s time for the series finale of Marvel’s WandaVision, appropriately titled “The Series Finale,” so let’s break it all down on our podcast. Agatha Harkness stands fully revealed, and is going witch versus witch with Wanda Maximoff, aka The Scarlet Witch. Meanwhile, White Vision and Westview Vision settle things the only way a synthezoid can, Monica tries to escape from Fietro and discovers a surprising secret about him, and Billy and Tommy step up to the plate, with their lives – and the fate of the whole town – in the balance. From what happened to White Vision, to Skrulls, to Ralph Bohner, to the TWO WandaVision Episode 9 post credit scenes, to what this all means for Captain Marvel 2, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and Spider-Man: No Way Home, to all the WandaVision finale Easter eggs and comic book references you can shake a gnarled, withered old hand at, we’ve got you covered. SUBSCRIBE TO MARVELVISION ON ITUNES, ANDROID, SPOTIFY, STITCHER, OR RSS. FOLLOW US ON TWITTER, INSTAGRAM AND FACEBOOK. SUPPORT OUR SHOWS ON PATREON. Full Episode Transcript [NOTE: This is a machine generated transcript, a more human one is coming later today.] Speaker 1  Welcome to Marvel Vision, a podcast about Marvel MCU, an right now.  Speaker 1  The finale of Wanda Vision is a very secretive title called the series finale.  Speaker 1  I’m Alex.  Speaker 2  I’m just incoming actualy from the children’s bedroom, the very hub where all great content comes from. I’m Pete.  Speaker 1  At Pete is awake this time, that’s very excited.  Speaker 2  Yes.  Speaker 1  I’m excited that your alarm went off here for the series finale.  Speaker 1  Now, requisite spoiler warning here.  Speaker 1  Go watch one division the series finale.  Speaker 1  We’re going to spoil it.  Speaker 1  We’re going to talk about everything, all the Easter eggs, all the Marvel secrets also talk about the two.  Speaker 1  Post credit sequences.  Speaker 1  So if you watch through the regular one division credits and then tuned out, keep watching through the regular credits because there’s another sequence after that.  Speaker 2  And I.  Speaker 2  Actually, even beyond that, there’s this whole credit sequence called the Age of Ultron that I actually really enjoyed that you can keep watching, and then at the end of that, there’s another.  Speaker 1  Post credits sequence.  Speaker 1  Oh man, what was that next post credit sequence?  Speaker 1  Was it Ryan the last dragon?  Speaker 2  Yes, and that one was expensive I.  Speaker 2  Oh well.  Speaker 2  Speaker 2  Had to pay for that one.  Speaker 3  Wow, Matt Marvel.  Speaker 1  They get that they’re taking us for everything we worth now.  Speaker 1  You just said that.  Speaker 1  Speaker 2  Firstly, there is a whole pre credit sequence.  Speaker 2  I don’t know if you watched which was the actual episode of television.  Speaker 1  Talking about.  Speaker 1  I skip that completely.  Speaker 2  Yeah, yeah, that’s sort of the important part.  Speaker 1  Let’s talk about this. This is of course the final episode. It’s bringing everything together certainly. I’m sure there’s some things we want to talk about that weren’t necessarily touched on, but huge episode we got the Fantastic Four we got X-Men. We got the 5th of every theory.  No.  Speaker 3  What the **** Shut up.  Speaker 1  That’s 100% true and that was great. I was very excited about that. What did you guys think?  Speaker 2  About the episode.  Speaker 2  I mean this was this was good.  Speaker 2  This was I earlier this week that I would direct a right match.  Speaker 2  Jackman came out and said, hey, you’re probably gonna be disappointed.  Speaker 2  Which is always a weird thing to hear from one of the main creatives on a project before it comes out.  Speaker 2  But I see what what he was saying, where it’s just a great.  Speaker 2  It’s a classic end of third Act of Marvel movie where it’s mostly a big fight.  Speaker 2  There’s some nice touching.  Speaker 2  There’s some really smart moments in this, and then everyone just sort of goes back to their corners and we see what happens going forward.  Speaker 3  Except for the fact that there’s you know a lot of loss and a lot of sadness that is still there.  Speaker 3  You know what I mean?  Speaker 3  I mean, we said goodbye to a whole family in this episode.  Speaker 3  Man, that’s a.  Speaker 3  It’s a tough way to start your ******* Friday, especially still ******* early in the ******* morning.  Speaker 3  I didn’t.  Speaker 1  Do that every Friday every Friday I.  Speaker 1  Wake up I say goodbye to a family.  Speaker 2  Yep, then I go.  Speaker 2  Speaker 2  Yep, he’s a man.  Speaker 2  He is an Ant farm that he smashes an entire family of ants every morning on Fridays when he gets up.  Speaker 2  Uh.  Speaker 1  Teaches me about mortality.  Speaker 1  That’s how I like to add my.  Speaker 2  Week, yeah, that’s a good way of saying it when you’re murdering tiny little creatures.  Speaker 2  The The thing is, Pete, I don’t think we actually said goodbye to very many characters.  Speaker 2  Yeah.  Speaker 2  Speaker 2  The vision gets to could.  Speaker 3  There’s two visions now.  Speaker 3  Which one you’re talking about?  Speaker 3  Well, now.  Speaker 2  I think there’s eventually only one the ghost vision that I think he, our old hex vision converts ghost vision into the one true vision.  Speaker 2  He just goes off the kids.  Speaker 2  We we hear there’s no way we’re not gonna see them again when we hear even in the post post credit sequence, a little whisper from some some sort of time.  Speaker 1  Help mother help.  Speaker 1  Help mother.  Speaker 1  I just before we get too into the minutiae of the episode, I’d also like to drive it and just say that I thought this is great.  Speaker 1  Yep.  Speaker 1  Speaker 1  I thought this is a really good finale.  Speaker 1  Interior point.  Speaker 1  And yeah, one of the pleasures of talking about Wanda Vision Week to week has been talking about the theories and speculating about it and throwing out who is this TC X-Men, is this teasing Fantastic Four is this teasing Mephisto whatever other Marvel characters you want to throw in there is Doctor Strange is going to show up. What are those cameos going to be an like? We started talked about last week.  Speaker 1  What they did really smartly was the story was the story you know.  Speaker 1  So as long as I think as a watcher, as a fan.  Speaker 1  Can go crazy, theorize as much as you want. I think this is what Matt Chapman was saying, but at the end of the day, put those theories aside and just watch it because what they were telling was a story about Wanda’s grief, her sadness, and not how you completely moved past that, but how you start to move past that, and I think that’s what they effectively did through the action sequences through the plot in this episode, which I really appreciate it.  Speaker 2  I agree, I mean, in like a lot of fans, I love speculating, but the ultimate speculation fan theory is a show about grief.  Speaker 2  I think that’s at the end of the day.  Speaker 3  Says  Speaker 2  There’s a million blogposts about like yeah, it was grief.  Speaker 2  It was grief all along, yeah?  Oh  Speaker 1  No, we should talk about the Marvel Comics origins of Grief, which is a classic character.  Speaker 3  Yeah yeah, yeah.  Speaker 1  It’s a demon, has a no.  Speaker 1  It doesn’t.  Speaker 1  I don’t know, I.  Speaker 1  I think I I like that I liked how.  Speaker 1  It like we sort of even speculated about.  Speaker 1  They ended it with this quieter moment with the family of their house.  Speaker 1  That was so sad and so poignant, but it really was that Wanda.  Speaker 1  It was alwada you know, like like they said in the third, 3rd or 4th episode.  Speaker 1  It’s one day, it’s all one day and that’s what it was about.  Speaker 1  It was about her emotional journey to getting to the point where she can let go of vision even though to your point again vision is a God.  Speaker 1  He’s still out there somewhere, yeah?  Speaker 3  Where do you think though?  Speaker 3  White vision flew to in such a hurry.  Speaker 1  I mean, now that he realizes he’s alive, he’s probably going to get like a good burger or something.  Speaker 1  Go to in and out.  Speaker 3  Really, I thought he, I thought.  Speaker 2  You could place wow.  Speaker 3  It was more like hey man go go.  Speaker 3  Go start your own family.  Speaker 3  You know, don’t don’t live like this all right.  Oh  Speaker 3  Go go, pick a town, take it over.  Speaker 3  You can do it.  Speaker 3  Better this time if you look.  Speaker 1  Look at the closed captioning.  Speaker 1  He’s actually while he’s flying off.  Speaker 1  He said.  Speaker 1  It’s time to.  Speaker 2  Get married, yeah, I love the idea of Pete that you’re like well when someone’s really sad. The best advice is to go start their own family.  Speaker 2  So when you’re an angsty teen, you were like that’s it.  Speaker 2  I’m glad to hear I’ll get.  Speaker 2  Married and obviously have kids and I could be in charge of that family.  It’s gonna be.  It’s gonna.  Speaker 2  That’s right.  Speaker 1  Alright, tell you what if you’re having problems having a whole family that will fix everything at.  Speaker 2  The heart of that.  Speaker 2  Like look at me, I make total sense I’m on top of the world and here I’m in a tiny tiny room and look at this.  Speaker 2  Thanks.  Speaker 2  Speaker 2  These are the Nordic sculptures at the end of the episode in the Double Post credit sequence.  Speaker 3  Oh, you look at you faster now.  Speaker 2  This is an Easter egg.  Speaker 3  Own spouse in your own home.  Speaker 3  That’s smart, man.  Speaker 2  Yeah.  Speaker 1  Let’s talk a little bit more about vision just to focus this in a bit.  Speaker 1  I did love.  Speaker 1  I love that not only that we got the white vision versus Westview vision or whatever we want to call him fight, which was great and fun to watch, but that it ended with this very classic vision fashion of having a philosophical discussion.  Speaker 1  Which was very much. I mean I know we’re joking about Age of Ultron, did everybody’s but like Jesus Christ Disney plus stop pushing Age of Ultron? I’ll be out at the end here, but one of the absolute best scenes in Age of Ultron is when vision just talks to Ultron in the Woods about humanity. At the end, there, right before he takes care of his did.  Speaker 3  You can’t.  Speaker 3  You can say plateaus are like one of the best things of Ultron.  Speaker 3  That’s crazy.  Speaker 3  There are so many fun little points.  Speaker 3  What about when Hawkeye threatens to shoot?  Speaker 3  He was like nobody would know I could just take you out.  Speaker 3  There’s a lot of good moments.  Speaker 3  You can’t just say one of the you know.  Speaker 1  I’m not trying to slam your favorite movie Avengers.  Speaker 2  Yeah.  Speaker 1  Age of Ultron peed all is.  Speaker 1  Alright, well.  Speaker 1  Speaker 3  Well, let’s say don’t say best moments and talk about a moment that was like alright.  Speaker 1  Well.  Speaker 1  Speaker 3  Let’s talk about life in.  Speaker 2  So of course.  Speaker 3  The right moment, you’re wrong.  Speaker 2  Alex, don’t push him too much further, he’s going to go start another family and he’s got too many ******* families.  Speaker 2  Like  Speaker 2  Speaker 1  I felt this regardless.  Yeah.  Speaker 1  I think this whole thing about the ship and discussion.  Speaker 1  It was really great at a great way of wrapping it up then.  Speaker 1  I certainly was not expecting.  Speaker 2  Yeah.  Speaker 3  If you don’t like your family, move and start a new one.  Speaker 3  Next time over, no one will know.  Speaker 2  Wow, that may be used to work, but not anymore.  Speaker 2  I I agree.  Speaker 2  I thought this was a cool way, especially in an episode that started at the very beginning.  Speaker 2  It was just fight, fight, fight and to have it sort of heightened and elevate to the point where we actually get to see this.  Speaker 2  This budding of heads and in a really smart way I thought was great.  Speaker 2  And the way that.  Speaker 2  It ends with him, sort of.  Speaker 2  We see his stone flash to the mindstone yellow briefly and then back to blue, and then his eyes go from blurted to just human, and he good old fashioned human eyes.  Speaker 3  Yeah, I mean, I really.  Speaker 3  It’s impressive how after all the action movies, Marvel is like all right, we’re going to make something that’s a little bit more sad.  Speaker 3  Something that’s going to tug on the heartstrings a little bit.  Speaker 3  An isn’t really going to be about fighting.  Speaker 3  And you know, it’s it’s great that creatively we can be doing shows.  Speaker 3  This sure you walk away, not as like pumpkin.  Speaker 3  Maybe a little bit more sad, but it is a cool story nonetheless.  Speaker 1  And shout out to my boy, Paul Bettany, for doing a great job on this series.  Speaker 1  Just he.  Speaker 1  Everybody was great across the board.  Speaker 1  Fantastic cast, but like we’ve been talking about on this podcast all along, he played so many modes of different comedy in this episode, like We’re Talking about, he got to be classic Vision.  Speaker 1  But that speech at the end to Towanda, as he’s saying goodbye, was so sweet and so sad and so beautiful.  Speaker 1  I do hope.  Speaker 1  People don’t love pot it the same way they did the.  Speaker 1  What is grief but love persevere iglide because you know.  Speaker 2  But people that wasn’t getting well. I mean, it was elevated to the point after last week’s episode. This is on Twitter. If you don’t follow all this nonsense, it was elevated to the point of like look at this perfect line. And then everyone went after it then. But I mean it was a good.  Speaker 1  Line, it’s lying.  Speaker 1  It’s a good.  Speaker 1  Speaker 1  It was well said I, I’m just saying that I think this was another good speech and I feel like people are going to equate them with their minds a little bit.  Yeah.  Speaker 1  So it’s like layoff, buddy.  Speaker 2  Yeah, I’m sorry Alex, we should give a shout out to you for calling Paul Bettany, describing himself as the actor he wanted to work with.  Speaker 1  Yeah.  Speaker 1  Speaker 1  Oh yes, thank you.  Speaker 1  Every once in a while, you know, here’s the thing.  Speaker 1  This is a little business thing that maybe you guys don’t know.  Speaker 1  Wait wait.  Speaker 3  Wait just a new.  Speaker 3  You’re kicking your own kids out of their own room, right?  Speaker 2  That yeah, this is Daddy’s time that.  Speaker 3  Now is that what’s happening?  Speaker 3  Now is what’s happening.  Speaker 2  OK.  Speaker 1  Your kid just wants to go.  Speaker 3  To it’s bad, like let that kid.  Speaker 2  If it’s bad, well for a man who has multiple families, you don’t know how to talk about kids very well.  Speaker 2  She’s awake, she would that ever since we’ve been doing this podcast, getting up at the crack of dawn, she gets up before me and sits in the living room.  Speaker 2  So we’ve really evolved as a family.  Speaker 1  Did she talk about speculation and spoilers?  Speaker 1  Yeah.  Speaker 2  She’s she’s she wanted uninterrupted state.  Speaker 3  Let’s see what you think.  Speaker 2  Like where the **** was Al Pacino.  Speaker 2  I really wanted a pet.  Speaker 3  Give that kid a bike.  Speaker 1  Right?  Speaker 3  That’s comedy gold.  Speaker 1  But yeah, I do think it’s very funny.  Speaker 1  And Paul Betty had this interview on Good Morning America.  Speaker 1  I believe he’s like, yeah, I thought it would be funny when I was saying that and it kind of blew up out of control so.  Speaker 1  So that’s great.  Speaker 1  That’s fine, I don’t.  Speaker 1  I don’t love when they’re lying about stuff like love.  Speaker 1  Tatiana maslany.  Speaker 1  The fact that she was like, no, I’m not she Hulk.  Speaker 1  And then she was cast as she Hulk.  Speaker 1  That’s not her fault.  Speaker 1  Somebody told her to say that if you die that but this Paul Betty thing is just funny enough.  Speaker 2  Yeah.  Speaker 1  I would rather they do stuff like that like it reminds me a little bit.  Speaker 1  I don’t know if you guys remember.  Speaker 1  When Michael Shattered was doing a little press and people were asking about Batman V Superman.  Speaker 1  He was like, yeah, I’m in that exotic end, but I have like flipper hands, it was really difficult to open the bathroom door with my flipper heads.  Speaker 2  Yeah.  Speaker 1  That’s the sort of thing it’s like.  Speaker 1  Sure, **** with people.  Speaker 1  That’s fine.  Speaker 2  Do you think that probably got a a phone call late at night from Kevin Fiege like Hey man, you really ****** us on this so guest star thing.  Speaker 2  You  Speaker 2  Speaker 2  Get out Good Morning America and you.  Speaker 2  Fix it, you accept.  Me.  Speaker 1  Yeah, probably, but it was good and I did like seeing him go up.  Speaker 1  Yeah.  Speaker 1  Speaker 1  It’s all.  Speaker 1  Yeah, it’s funny that we were speculating this much about the cabio.  Speaker 1  While we’re sort of talking about these things that we speculated a lot.  Speaker 1  About who was in witness protection for Jimmy Woo, we’d never type that up.  Speaker 2  That’s crazy to me, because yeah, there’s one thing that we went off on our own little wild speculation.  Speaker 2  That’s our thing, but even the little Nuggets they dropped didn’t really pay off in a way, and I was very surprised there wasn’t a cameo, I thought.  Speaker 2  Obviously, I think the last time I was like it could still be Mephisto.  Speaker 2  That was always a reach, but I thought for sure we would get Doctor Strange.  Speaker 2  Yeah.  Speaker 2  Speaker 2  We get a lot of reference to him.  Speaker 2  Sure, do we get we’re fully in his world with the Darkhold and all these other things that will probably talk about it.  Speaker 2  Uh.  Speaker 2  Speaker 2  In it, but I still was surprised that we didn’t get a resolution on the witness protection thing.  Speaker 2  ’cause what is it?  Speaker 2  Was it Agatha the?  Speaker 2  Also the rat?  Speaker 3  Also.  Speaker 3  Speaker 2  The Ralph Thing was odd, we just get this.  Speaker 3  Yeah, yeah.  Speaker 2  That was an open ended thing really.  Speaker 3  But also it was like if you’re the source is Supreme, like how do you not feel or notice this crazy **** going on?  Speaker 3  You know like there was a lot of crazy **** happening magic.  Speaker 3  Really, that like you don’t have something that kind of like senses that or kind of like points in that direction.  Speaker 1  I all credit this.  Speaker 1  Speaker 3  I mean you should.  Speaker 1  All credit this.  Speaker 1  Speaker 1  Check out I did not come up with this.  Speaker 1  What I saw somebody treated and I do not remember who treated it.  Speaker 1  But somebody very correctly pointed out you try getting somebody who lives in Midtown to come out to Jersey for a party.  Speaker 2  That’s that’s legit.  Speaker 3  Yeah.  Speaker 2  I mean, come on, he’s he’s not going to leave.  Speaker 3  His I was hoping she would that’s where she was going.  Speaker 2  I was it.  Speaker 2  Speaker 2  Was it?  Speaker 3  It was gone to New York City.  Speaker 1  I appreciate it.  Speaker 3  When she left.  Speaker 1  I expected that we would see somebody at a post credits.  Speaker 1  I was surprised that we didn’t see Doctor Strange in that last moment with one day in the cabin or something like that, but I appreciate it that we didn’t actually have any cameos that it would have felt distracting, OK?  But  Speaker 2  Oh, OK Alex, you appreciate that we didn’t have any cameos.  Speaker 3  Yeah.  Speaker 2  Why would a strong POV?  Speaker 1  No, I do because it kept it focused.  Speaker 3  After the fact, after you’ve been speculating and wanting a cameo the whole time.  Speaker 1  I have been saying people could listen back that maybe we’ll get some cameos, but I think that we would get Doctor Strange in a post credits or showing up at the very end of the episode.  Speaker 1  Or that’s.  Speaker 1  Pretty much it all along.  Speaker 1  Well, Hala al so.  Speaker 3  Uh huh, sure sure, sure.  Speaker 1  Also all of the expected Reed Richards.  Speaker 2  Yeah, exactly.  Speaker 3  Yes.  Speaker 1  Oh, this is that.  Speaker 3  How do you like how did you like?  Speaker 2  I think.  Speaker 3  Oh, go ahead.  Speaker 3  Oh go.  Speaker 3  Now you got people I was gonna say, how did you like the kind of like thing of like hey it’s OK to come back to the theater no no, no come back to the theater please pull into the theater, sit down in the seeds, pay $30 for.  But  Speaker 3  Popcorn, yes.  Speaker 3  Popcorn  Speaker 3  Yes, back in the theater.  Speaker 3  That’s where you belong that were Marvel belongs back in the movie theater, right?  Speaker 2  Do you think you that there is a little?  Speaker 3  Everybody?  Speaker 1  Oh, that’s OK.  Speaker 3  They said.  Speaker 3  Oh stuff is school.  Speaker 1  I didn’t get that at all.  Speaker 3  But right we should all be back in the movie theater and I look up look up.  Speaker 3  I yeah, look at the giant screen.  Speaker 3  That’s nice, right?  Speaker 2  Wow, the ultimate credits.  Speaker 2  Post credit sequences.  Speaker 2  Brain being brainwashed.  Speaker 1  Yeah, I think that might have been slightly more your thing.  Speaker 1  Let’s can we talk about the stuff outside of the hex.  Speaker 1  The folks outside of the hex it kind of run through them a little bit.  Speaker 1  Talk about Jimmy Woo.  Speaker 1  What happened with him in this episode?  Speaker 1  Flourish.  Speaker 1  Speaker 1  Flourish, yeah, straight out of antman and the wasp, right?  Speaker 1  Like that’s where?  Speaker 1  He learns that he.  Speaker 3  Well, that’s it’s just magictalk.  Speaker 3  You know it’s a nice.  Speaker 2  Yeah, that’s straight out of David Copperfield’s magic Show and I don’t know if I ever told you this. But David Copperfield maybe disappear. Actually, when I was five.  Speaker 3  Years old, yeah I want I want the.  Speaker 2  I know that’s right.  Speaker 2  Speaker 2  Know that’s right.  Speaker 3  Original Justin back.  Speaker 3  I don’t want this Copperfield copy, you know I.  Speaker 1  You know, yeah, did you get dropped into a basement somewhere?  Speaker 2  Mean copy field.  Speaker 1  Like in the prestige?  Speaker 1  Yeah, like yeah, existing spoilers for the prestige.  Speaker 2  Yeah, exactly what?  Speaker 2  Speaker 2  Exactly what?  Speaker 2  Alex dropping bombs.  Speaker 3  Yeah.  Speaker 2  Jimmy, who I think is it’s funny.  Speaker 2  See how much he sort of took center stage and Darcy got a little bit left on the wayside here.  Speaker 2  He said.  Speaker 2  Speaker 2  She had a couple of.  Speaker 3  Yeah, but come on.  Speaker 3  I mean that was the cat entrance was just money.  Speaker 2  Fun moment, but interesting how she really felt like the center of the sort of outside of the hex show for a bit and then was just sort of like here for a car.  Yeah.  Speaker 2  Accident I.  Speaker 3  What wait?  Speaker 3  Wait wait wait let’s not undercut.  Speaker 3  It’s a bucket list dream, I think of every person to drive a clown car into a clown.  Speaker 3  I mean come on that was just like unbelievable.  Speaker 1  Jeep I don’t wanna keep lumping on you did this the last time as well.  Speaker 1  It’s not a clown car it is a funnel cake truck.  Speaker 1  I can’t believe you of all people is getting this wrong.  Speaker 3  OK alright.  Speaker 3  All right?  Speaker 3  Speaker 2  And we should tell you Pete is driven a clown car for several years, and.  Speaker 2  Let me know.  Speaker 2  Speaker 3  Went looking for some cloud to run over and I still haven’t found one.  Speaker 2  Me know.  Speaker 1  I do wonder if maybe they didn’t have Kat Dennings really for this last episode, because it seemed like there was an insert shot and there was a credit in the end credits for double.  Speaker 2  It seems that way.  Speaker 1  Yeah.  Speaker 1  Speaker 1  For Kat dennings.  Speaker 1  Double for Darcy.  Speaker 1  So I wonder if they were able to just grab her for one shot and that was pretty much it, so that’s why we got.  Speaker 1  That way it feels.  Speaker 1  Thank you.  Speaker 1  Speaker 2  Like it was a little bit of a bummer, but I did the Jimmy who stuff is fun.  Speaker 1  You  Speaker 2  I like him in the at the end of the episode.  Speaker 2  It’s like, ooh he’s in she’s running **** The idea that he gets to be maybe a more power player in this sword area or I guess I don’t know.  Speaker 2  He’s not technically in sword, right?  Speaker 1  Well, I think that’s an interesting thing to talk about in terms of the MCU is.  Speaker 2  He’s connected to the FBI.  Speaker 1  We’ve seen SHIELD dissolve, then we get sword here, which we haven’t seen most of the development of, but certainly with Hayward.  Speaker 1  God, it seems like obviously there’s going to be some big changes there that’s going to be.  Speaker 1  But it’s almost like they’re realigning the absolute to be the power player in terms of law and order.  Speaker 1  Is the FBI like very straightforward, which is interesting?  Speaker 2  Well, and let’s not forget the Jimmy Woo is a character from the comics who ran the Agents of Atlas.  Speaker 2  Is that correct?  Speaker 2  So like I could see him like wow, good job with the hex situation in Westview.  Speaker 2  Yeah.  Speaker 2  Speaker 2  Maybe you can take over this random organization we just made up where there’s a talking gorilla and some other people.  Speaker 1  Yeah, first Choice, first choice talking gorilla.  Speaker 2  Yeah.  Speaker 1  Also we’re powered by a dragon.  Speaker 1  Don’t worry about it, it’s fine.  Speaker 1  Yeah, that was good.  Speaker 1  We also got Monica.  Speaker 1  Of course an the full reveal definitely has powers.  Speaker 1  She protects billion tabi pretty ******** that Hayward was trying to shoot a bunch of.  Yeah, well I guess.  Speaker 1  Yeah, why?  Speaker 1  Speaker 1  Why?  Speaker 3  Hayward, like just finally gets out of the truck to shoot gives that’s his black Jesus from.  Speaker 2  A leadership position.  Speaker 2  It’s really hard to imagine being, I thought, let me assess the situation.  Speaker 2  Alright, shoot the kids first, baby.  Speaker 1  Yeah.  Speaker 3  Like man, that’s like that.  Speaker 3  Men in black training where they took one shot at the the poor kid the whole time.  Speaker 3  It was crazy.  Speaker 1  Well, particularly because all Billy and Tommy did with her.  Speaker 1  Like all right, we’re going to take care of the army, steal their hats, yeah?  Speaker 3  Oh man, military hates when you steal their hats.  Speaker 3  Though I mean at.  Speaker 1  That’s where all their power is.  Speaker 1  Least the power is they just shut down absolutely.  Speaker 1  They just shut down.  Speaker 2  Absolutely it was. If I will say it’s a very Olsen twin type movie choice. At the end there too. Maybe there’s a subtle nod to Elizabeth Olsen’s family.  Yeah.  Speaker 1  Yeah, and then of course we get Wanda.  Speaker 1  Let’s go over to Wanda and the big which battle.  Speaker 1  With Agatha, what was your take on that?  Speaker 1  How do you think all of that pad?  Speaker 3  I thought it was fun.  Speaker 3  It was cool how we had like a witch off and then a vision off and it was, you know it was stuff because like they did a great job of being like oh man I don’t know if Wanda is going to be able to win this because she doesn’t know she’s The Witcher is kind of like denying it and then like a fun kind of turn of like.  Well.  Speaker 3  Oh, I was.  Speaker 3  I listened to your first lesson and I’m now using that against you.  Speaker 3  That was really bad.  Speaker 2  Yes, yeah, I agree.  Speaker 2  I liked it was sort of at a standstill for a while where I was like, oh, she’s sucking her powers and it really feels like there’s no way for her to get around this.  Speaker 2  Yeah.  Speaker 2  Speaker 2  Yeah, I liked the twist of the runes in in the hex.  Speaker 2  I thought that was a smart way to to do it.  Speaker 2  And I guess I don’t know.  Speaker 2  I wanted with between those two battles and then the vision battles.  Speaker 2  I wanted to switch for just one little sequence.  Speaker 1  Yeah, I thought that was gonna happen.  Speaker 1  Have the classic like we’re equally powered.  Speaker 1  Let’s switch partners, but.  Speaker 2  It’s fine.  Speaker 2  Speaker 2  It would have made a lot of sense.  Speaker 2  Yeah no.  Speaker 2  Just for even a second I thought that would be cool just to break up the action of it a little bit because it was just such a clean transfer of who’s winning from.  Speaker 2  Agatha was like winning the entire time, and it was like flip.  Speaker 2  Nope, I will.  Speaker 2  I want later and I wanted a little bit more nuanced a that I think.  Speaker 2  And Kathryn Hahn didn’t have a ton of chance to just not be spouting.  Speaker 2  Super villain lines from from hovering in the air so I would have liked a little bit more stuff for her.  Speaker 2  She’s such a great character, such a great actor.  Speaker 2  Such a great villain for this series I like where we left her though in a great.  Speaker 3  Way, Oh yeah, that was really crazy the way it was.  Speaker 3  Kind of like, you know, touch the side of her head and now she’s just like this little.  Speaker 3  The nosy neighbor and it was fun to kind of see her back in that, and it just made it seem more empty and hollow than it was before.  Speaker 3  Or and so added a nice kind of flavor to that.  Speaker 1  Yeah, I 100% agree just there was. I think we talked about this a little bit. The last episode there was just too much which make up on Kathryn Hahn. Like they poofed up her face and gave her these enormous brows. She’s great but it felt like she was sort of trapped in this whole thing.  Speaker 1  Whole thing also.  Speaker 1  Speaker 1  Also.  Speaker 3  I have a question like so the whole town is free except for.  Speaker 3  Her and so like she’s playing a 1950s nosey neighbor like is that I’m gonna be.  Speaker 3  Like yo, what’s with this lady?  Speaker 2  That’s really funny.  Speaker 2  I didn’t think of that like, hey Agnes, cool it alright going home.  Speaker 3  Yeah, it’s not 1950. What are you doing out here baking?  Speaker 1  Okie dokie artichokie  Speaker 2  Go home, we’re trying to do our taxes.  Speaker 1  That was great.  Speaker 1  I also like the fact that they didn’t back down from the damage that she had done to Westview.  Speaker 1  I was sort of surprised she didn’t turn herself in at the end one day.  Speaker 1  I mean, I mean, but the fact that everybody was looking at her, the fact that they were like, please, we’ve been living your nightmares, let us die.  Speaker 3  Yeah, that was oh man, the living here.  Speaker 1  I like the fact that they, well, they didn’t back down from making it very dark at the end there, which I.  Speaker 1  Big is a tribute to the production. It would be very easy to be like 01 does save us. It wasn’t your fault, it was Agatha’s all along. But no, it was actually Wanda all along. She was the one that was doing this. She was wrecking them and it did a terrible job. So she didn’t completely fix it.  Speaker 3  Yeah, did you?  Speaker 3  I was hoping for after the post like we get a little Wanda song that was like actually it was me all along.  Speaker 3  You know, like well how come she didn’t get a fun stuff?  Speaker 2  We have pirap.  Speaker 2  We have  Speaker 3  The wander app.  Speaker 2  Yeah Pete right, and record it.  Speaker 2  Release it.  Speaker 2  You have a couple hours before the Internet.  Speaker 3  Don’t be a white guy.  Speaker 1  Maximov is going off.  Speaker 3  Beatboxing stop it.  Speaker 3  Stop stop stop.  Speaker 2  I I appreciate it, Alex, thank you.  Speaker 2  Running off with off this early in the morning is is confident.  Speaker 1  Well I was gonna ribwich with something but it felt it appropriate.  Speaker 3  Speaking of inappropriate, let’s talk about Ralph Boehner.  So yeah.  Speaker 1  Just to be clear, be OHNERP is Bonner. It’s Ralph butter. It’s not Ralph Bodor. OK yeah I was OK with that. It sounds like you guys were a little disappointed that it wasn’t Quicksilver. It wasn’t PA.  Speaker 3  Responder is bohners how you pronounce, yeah.  Speaker 2  Yeah, well.  Speaker 1  Intro actually or anything.  Speaker 1  It was just an.  Speaker 2  Actor I’m fine with us.  Speaker 3  Just an actor.  Speaker 2  I’m fine with that choice.  Speaker 2  Any actor, especially a classically trained actor, is a star in my mind.  Speaker 2  But I do think it was weird that there wasn’t one little extra turn there.  Speaker 2  It went.  Speaker 2  Alexa turn there, you know.  Speaker 2  So my daughter wants her bedroom back.  Speaker 3  Did she?  Speaker 3  Did she have night?  Speaker 3  Yeah, does your daughter have an idea about the extra turn?  Speaker 3  Is that why she jumped in, yeah?  Speaker 2  Yeah, she was like maybe he’s Wong.  Speaker 2  I don’t know what she’s.  Speaker 2  Talking oh wow.  Speaker 1  Huh, interesting there I will see.  Speaker 1  Interesting there.  Speaker 1  Speaker 1  Eh, it’s interesting.  Speaker 1  I mean, we could probably talk.  Speaker 1  There’s a lot more to talk about in the episode, but since we’re kind of touching on this now, there was a lot of speculation it was well about how this Tees up the next couple of Marvel movies, and they said, you know, this is really going to open up the multiverse.  Speaker 1  It’s going to tie into Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness.  Speaker 1  It’s going to tie into Spiderman.  Speaker 1  No way.  Speaker 1  So it doesn’t specifically right.  Speaker 2  Yeah zero, which again like that’s fine, it’s just there was rather than closed.  Speaker 3  Yeah.  Speaker 3  Speaker 2  They had these open threads and they didn’t close them in a way, they just sort of let them hang.  Speaker 2  And I guess if you’re not going to use them for all these wild speculation ideas, which is totally fine, at least close them.  Speaker 2  Up a little bit, yeah.  Speaker 3  Yeah, I mean.  Yeah, go ahead.  Go ahead.  Speaker 3  Also was on Jimmy Fallon and she said, you know, this puts me exactly where I need to be for the Sorcerer Supreme movie that she’s shooting now.  Speaker 3  So I was hoping for a little cameo or a little something, but I guess sort Supreme finds her in a little cabin in the Woods which.  Speaker 1  Well, no, I I mean, I think that’s the one that to talk about.  Speaker 3  Is Florida.  Speaker 1  The two post credits sequence one is setting up Captain Marvel to the other one is setting up to Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness.  Speaker 1  But like a lot of this stuff when they do the end credits and I feel like people have probably forgotten because it’s been so long.  Speaker 1  It’s not specifically like.  Speaker 1  Here’s the first scene.  Speaker 1  Most of the time it’s something that Tees up the idea, so talk about the second one first.  Speaker 1  We got Wanda.  Speaker 1  She’s making tea.  Speaker 1  She’s in a cabin.  Speaker 1  You think she’s dealing with her grief.  Speaker 1  She sort of sweatsuit she’s in quarantine, just like the rest of us.  Speaker 3  I think it’s like casual activewear is what she’s wearing, like, I don’t know why.  Speaker 3  Pairing like I don’t know what.  Speaker 3  You’re having bad years.  Speaker 3  Speaker 2  All right man. Interesting standard.  Speaker 3  Having bad years.  Speaker 2  Big Pete, yeah, Athleisurewear, is that what you’re talking about?  Speaker 3  Yeah, exactly.  Sure.  Speaker 1  But at the same time she is also in her full Scarlet Witch outfit.  Speaker 1  She is floating in some magic keys.  Speaker 3  Reading the darkhold.  Speaker 1  Rating the Darkhold when she hears Billy and Tommy calling out from somewhere and Billy says mom help mom please and Tommy says help mom please.  Speaker 1  So we know even though seemingly they disappeared in Westview, they’re out there somewhere, so I guess it’s a question of.  Speaker 3  Do we know that or is she just like hearing their cries because she’s breathing?  Speaker 1  This is this is the open question right?  Speaker 1  Like I think the thing that kicks her head is she’s exploring her powers.  Speaker 1  She’s been told in this episode she is more powerful than the Sorcerer Supreme.  Speaker 1  She thinks her kids are out there somewhere.  Speaker 1  Are they in the multiverse?  Speaker 1  Do they still exist in the MCU?  Speaker 1  Is it somebody tricking them?  Speaker 1  Clearly she is going to seek out Doctor Strange to find them, and that’s going to be at least the part of the plot of that movie so.  Speaker 2  I think that was a very Direct Line there, and it’s interesting she is in that in that post post credit she’s in the pose in the Darkhold that Agatha referenced.  Speaker 2  As the problem of very problematic pose.  Speaker 2  So I we speculated a little bit that maybe Wanda was some sort of villain in this Doctor Strange movie, or at least a agent of chaos. And it sounds like she will need a catalyst to push Doctor Strange into the Multiverse of madness on a quest for Tom, Billy and Tommy though, is that is the Doctor Strange movie. Can’t be about finding Wanda’s kids right.  Speaker 3  Yeah, because Wanda.  Maybe?  Speaker 3  Killed her kids.  Speaker 3  So where is she looking for her kids for?  Speaker 2  No, I think I don’t think that’s what happened, but but.  Speaker 3  Well, she controls the kind of field around the thing and she was studying everything back to the way it was.  Speaker 1  I just just did touch on this a little bit.  Speaker 1  She took the field.  Speaker 1  We presume they disappear.  Speaker 1  I expected there to be a little thing at the ad where she’s standing in the ruins of the house.  Speaker 1  And they pop up with like what’s up?  Speaker 1  Bob, yeah, but obviously they didn’t.  Speaker 1  So yeah, I mean to please point?  Speaker 1  Yes, they disappeared.  Speaker 1  So we don’t know.  Speaker 3  He killed them.  Speaker 1  We don’t know how she hears those voices.  Speaker 1  Do their spirits exist?  Speaker 1  Are they out of the multiverse?  Speaker 1  We’re not sure at this point.  Speaker 3  She killed him.  Speaker 2  Well, I think if I were to speculate which we can do, we have the power to do that in our own little personal hex.  Speaker 1  And so far we’ve been spot on with every bit of speculation.  Speaker 2  Listen fan spot on.  Speaker 2  I think either either Wiccan himself was like, oh, I see what’s happening here and just juked him out of there.  Speaker 3  Yeah, ’cause we didn’t see him, they died.  Speaker 2  Offscreen, they didn’t die for sure.  Speaker 3  No.  Speaker 2  They.  Speaker 2  Or like there is something to this chaos magic that we’ll get to learn more about where because they’ve had.  Speaker 2  They were fully realized people.  Speaker 2  They had souls, that they the Chaos Magic could destroy them.  Speaker 2  They were just moved to a place of pure magic or something like.  Speaker 2  Check or something like that.  Speaker 2  Speaker 3  Wow, you’re really working hard to try to save the fact that she killed their kids man.  Speaker 2  That  Speaker 1  Well, hold on we heard their voices at the end so there’s something going on there.  Speaker 1  Hold on.  Speaker 1  Speaker 1  Plus it was very pointed that we didn’t see them disappear in the same way we saw vision disappear.  Speaker 1  I think first of all that was put emotionally it back on Wanda and Vision also real rough to recover a show after watching kids die I think, but I do want to say just like while we’re jumping around here I don’t know if you feel this way just if there is a certain sense like.  Speaker 1  I thought it hit out a very specific parental thing of like when you say goodbye to your kids, you’re like.  Speaker 3  Yeah, you might never see me.  Speaker 1  Oh my God, that’s God that’s.  Speaker 3  Yeah, that’s it.  Speaker 1  Honestly, like, there’s sometimes where that goes through your head, and it’s terrifying, so.  Speaker 3  That was like.  Speaker 3  We was like oh goodnight kids and then the way they were hanging out.  Speaker 3  I was like wait a second.  Speaker 3  This is bigger than a goodnight kids and then I was like oh God, she’s she’s going to murder her kids, isn’t you know?  Speaker 2  Just like learning or I I mean there.  Speaker 2  Stop saying that, OK, why?  Speaker 2  Speaker 1  Is why did she?  Speaker 3  Do that.  Speaker 3  Do you tell me the whole thing slowly came and wiped everybody out?  Speaker 3  Reset everything.  Speaker 3  Those kids didn’t exist.  Speaker 3  Until the spell she wipes the spell kids are gone dude.  Speaker 2  MA.  Speaker 2  Monica Rambeau capture powers the vision, who was changed by the Vision in the Hex flies off is still changed like the the Hex world influence the outside world.  Speaker 2  I don’t think you have to worry about it, but to your point.  Speaker 3  We just watched 9 episodes of somebody bringing kids to life and then murdering them in front of us.  Speaker 2  You know when you.  Speaker 3  Murder.  Speaker 3  Speaker 2  When you go to bed or when your kids go to bed, that’s why you always check on them and you whisper in their little ears.  Speaker 2  Hey, I’m recording a podcast tomorrow morning.  Speaker 2  Please sleep in for a change.  Yeah.  Speaker 3  The timing on the kid attacking you as you said that was magical.  Speaker 3  Yeah, that’s.  Speaker 1  Real quick while we’re talking bout post credits things.  Speaker 1  There’s also the TF of Captain Marvel 2 Pete preferred to focus on the fact that it was at a movie theater.  Speaker 1  But I do think it’s important or nice to talk about.  Speaker 1  I guess that Botica seems to be heading into Captain Marvel too.  Speaker 1  That seems like maybe it’s going to be headed more to space because we have to reveal of the scroll friend of her friend of her mothers, who I assume is Tallis.  Speaker 1  Gotta be the scroll.  Just.  Speaker 3  Real quick if you’re in a movie theater and somebody points up, what do you think they’re talking about?  Speaker 3  You know, I mean, well.  Speaker 1  The theater right above it, yeah?  Speaker 3  I just felt.  Speaker 3  Right exactly I would like a little bit like.  Speaker 2  Yeah.  Speaker 3  Actually there’s a giant sword floating above the earth.  Speaker 3  That’s what I’m pointing at.  Speaker 3  Like being clear, like if I got called to a movie theater and then someone was like pointing up, I’d be like.  Whoo.  Speaker 1  Would you have preferred if Monica?  Speaker 1  Help me how?  Speaker 1  Speaker 1  But would you prefer it if Monica was like?  Speaker 3  He  Speaker 3  The ceiling yeah exactly are we talking bout the ceiling bro?  Speaker 3  Is there something on top of this building like healthy?  Speaker 2  No, she was like she was like let’s go sneak into Black Widow.  Speaker 2  It’s right upstairs.  Speaker 1  Ha ha.  Speaker 1  All right, as Justin’s kids are starting to get a little persnickety why don’t we start to wrap this up here? Talk about some other Easter eggs. Little things in the episode I could read through a couple of notice, but I love to hear from you guys of course as well. First of all, in the which battle right at the begin.  Speaker 1  Bing Agatha gets doctored to the house.  Speaker 1  We see Wanda looks underneath, you see just the shoes.  Speaker 3  Oh, that’s a fun little come on.  Speaker 1  It’s just like Wizard of Oz under instead of.  Speaker 2  Just class in which ref.  Speaker 1  Well, they’ve had they’ve had odd stuff throughout the entire series, so it was a fun little point there.  Speaker 3  Yeah, and if you look in the rubble, there’s like a little dog tag that says, Toto.  Speaker 3  Yeah, my dog got murdered by that car, you know?  Speaker 1  Yeah, you’re really into like murdering.  Speaker 2  Kids of John says.  Speaker 2  What do they added?  Speaker 2  Wizard of Oz Toto is going strong did.  Speaker 3  All right, right? My bad.  Speaker 3  Right, my bad.  Speaker 3  Speaker 2  But Dorothy obviously Dorothy again was just dealing with her grief every time I watch Wizard of Oz.  Speaker 1  Good.  Speaker 2  I’m like grief gang.  Speaker 2  Let’s see this.  Speaker 1  We talked very briefly about the Darkhold we had speculated about whether this was or was not.  Speaker 1  They revealed that it is in fact the Darkhold.  Speaker 1  This is probably going to be a huge issue, I assume online today because the Darkhold played throughout agents of SHIELD and also played into runaways a little bit.  Speaker 1  This looks entirely different.  Speaker 1  I think you could excuse it.  Speaker 1  One of two ways, either a yes.  Speaker 1  They are completely erasing everything that happened in Marvel TV before this, or it’s just another copy of the Darkhold either way.  Speaker 2  Oh yeah, that’s it here.  Speaker 2  You’re going with like yeah, there’s a big.  Speaker 1  No, I’m going with what but I I think.  Speaker 1  If people want to feel better about it, they could go.  Speaker 2  Oh, that’s nice.  Speaker 2  If you want to delude yourself with your own personal hex about the Marvel continuity, yeah, go that way.  Yeah.  Speaker 2  I like the idea that you’re like.  Speaker 2  Yeah, well, there was actually a pretty large print run on the Darkhold.  Speaker 2  Everybody got a copy.  Speaker 1  Hey can I get a copy of that map?  Speaker 2  If yeah.  Speaker 2  Like the college bookstore where you’re like, yeah, I just need to buy a couple of copies of the Darkhold  Speaker 1  The ********* thing I remember standing outside Barnes and Noble Little Lion before midnight waiting to get my copy of the Darkhold in some ******* walked around was like she was.  Speaker 1  The Scarlet witch man.  Speaker 1  Got spoilers come on.  Speaker 3  I don’t know.  Speaker 2  Huge spoilers, I mean, to be fair, that’s right at the beginning of the Darkhold there’s so much other.  Speaker 3  What sucks was.  Speaker 3  I was in line and then the person in front of me got two and I didn’t get one and I was like oh that.  Speaker 1  Should be illegal.  Speaker 2  At you.  Speaker 2  At.  Speaker 1  That did you get your sign though by the ******* devil.  Speaker 2  The Darkhold, like I know we were like really we referenced like it’s probably the Darkhold.  Speaker 2  I mean there is only really one super magic book in the Marvel Universe, so it’s not like we were.  Right?  Speaker 3  You want credit for recognizing the one.  Speaker 2  No, I’m saying I’m saying we shouldn’t take credit.  Speaker 1  Yeah, no, it’s it’s about on par with somebody being like hey I’m gonna go grab this Nullifier were like is it the ultimate Nullifier?  Speaker 2  Yeah, OK?  Speaker 2  The.  Speaker 2  Speaker 2  No, it’s just sort of the regular casual nullifier oh.  Speaker 2  OK, cool.  Speaker 2  Speaker 2  OK, cool.  Speaker 2  But I mean the dark hole just leaving all the TV continuity aside from this show that the agents of SHIELD, but I guess some people watched.  Speaker 2  There’s a that’s a big on you, Alex.  Speaker 2  There is a there is a yeah cool you and literally everyone else there is.  Speaker 1  I wish most of it.  Speaker 2  A lot of comic books stuff that the dark.  Speaker 2  Called sort of opens up like a whole, even beyond sort of the magic side into this sort of more horror side.  Speaker 2  There was a series called the Darkhold Redeemers, which a team of magical heroes track down and resolve, like horror monsters and stuff like that.  Speaker 2  So that’s cool.  Speaker 2  It opens the door for characters like Blade and whatnot to maybe re enter the Marvel Universe.  Speaker 2  It’s come out.  Speaker 2  Speaker 2  Come out.  Speaker 2  But  Speaker 2  Speaker 2  Obviously, we know there’s a blade movie that was announced very early on in the process.  Speaker 2  We have no idea what’s happening.  Speaker 2  There, but it’s it’s a nice doorway to have.  Speaker 1  There I think that’s a really good point about the horror thing in particular, since Sam Raimi is directing Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, it was there was a whole sticky figure behind the scenes where Scott Derrickson, who directed the first movie, was like, yeah, we’re gonna make this a ******* hard are horror movie and Marvel was like maybe not.  Speaker 1  They brought in Sam Raby.  Speaker 1  I think we’re still going to see whatever it means for horror in the MCU in that movie, which is cool.  Ah.  Speaker 1  A couple of oh go ahead, beat.  Speaker 3  I I wanna say some some real some stuff I want to quickly talk about like I really love the Jimmy Woo coming into power.  Speaker 3  Especially like the part where he got that douche military guy to start monologuing like that was just like for me like a real hero moved to get the bad guy to like spill the beans on his plan and stuff.  Speaker 3  Why he’s doing the flourish.  Speaker 3  I really appreciate it and I wanted to kind of talk about the last moment there that we had with vision and Wanda where it was like.  Speaker 3  Vision cried, which was unbelievable moment.  Speaker 3  And then Wanda cried.  Speaker 3  And then I ******* cried because it was really a very touching moment that like I don’t know if we’re gonna see vision again or what’s going to happen after this.  Speaker 3  You know, like it was, it was pretty crazy.  Speaker 3  Cool moment that we got to kind of witness that.  Speaker 2  It was crazy to see a robot to cry, and by that I’m talking of course about UP. So that is truly amazing.  Speaker 1  Yeah.  Oh great.  Speaker 1  So I’m gonna admit something now that is a bad thing to admit.  Speaker 1  I’ve definitely told you guys before, but I haven’t said it on this podcast.  Speaker 1  I have never seen Blade Runner.  Speaker 1  But on the marquee.  Speaker 3  How about the second one?  Speaker 1  Yeah I watched Blade Runner 2049, but that’s it. Yeah, yeah yeah, but I know enough about references for Blade Runner. The on the marquee and they reviewed this last episode. The movie that’s actually being shown t
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