David Frum is the leader of the Anti-Trump resistance on the right. He has been ringing the alarm bell for democracy throughout the last year and his hugely successful cover article for The Atlantic, "How to Build an Autocracy", is a sobering explanation of how a Trump presidency can undermine the fundamentals of American democracy if citizens don't act.
A leading conservative thinker for 20 years and previously known to most as the writer of George W Bush's "Axis of Evil" line, in this wide-ranging interview we discuss everything from Iraq to Lady Gaga to growing up as the son of Canada's most famous journalist.
And of course, how to defend democracy from Trump autocracy.
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