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56 minutes | Oct 2, 2018
Lys Guillorn on chronic illness, self-care, and putting out music anyway (GRRL034)
Welcome to Grrl on Grrl episode 34 with Lys Guillorn, a “solo artist with a band”. Lys and I recorded this all the way back in *last* July in 2017. Since then, she has released the split single “How to Move a Mountain” and more recently the song “Tinctoria”. (i’m sorry DID I JUST READ “LICHEN DYE” in the description for the physical release???? be still my heart.)) The majority of our conversation runs the gamut of mental health and chronic illness issues, including depression, fibromyalgia, the mad genius trope, symptoms & self-care routines, and how they affect and inform her songwriting. Near the end, we chat about being a solo songwriter with a band and how collaboration and community work together to build a better Connecticut and music scene. This episode is the first to be edited by the amazing Sarah Parish who answered my call for help a few months ago. Thank you so much Sarah! She has been amazing help in getting my ass into gear releasing these episodes. Without her hard work and assistance, I’m not sure I would have finished these upcoming episodes! If you want to learn more about her current projects, scroll down to the bottom of the shownotes. Thanks to The Fresh Brunettes for providing their song “Best of the Worst” as the new Grrl on Grrl theme song! You can find their album Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition on CDBaby. And of course, thank you to Lys Guillorn for her patience and to all of you folks for still checking in. Listen http://traffic.libsyn.com/grrlongrrl/GRRL034-LysGuillorn.mp3 Download GRRL034 at Libsyn [~51MB; 55 minutes] or stream from these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play] Show Notes Putting out her first album… writing it in 1998, finally putting it out 2003 Different music industry then and now (no Bandcamp!) Being in the publishing industry and using that as a guide to self-release album Hysteria … women’s humor magazine – “Getting in touch with your inner bitch” Spin Magazine What did you learn from working at Hysteria? [12:05] Elisa Flynn – “My Blood” Content warning: pain/fibromyalgia, depression Her May 2017 album “I’m a Boy” Becoming really ill in 2016 Background on her song “M.K.” written while she was bedridden Depression symptoms Self-care routine Banjo!!!!! Artist’s Way in the morning Yoga Do depression and fibromyalgia affect each other? Taking breaks during certain months because of fibromyalgia and depression, with a few exceptions [26:35] Lys Guillorn – “M.K.” Is music industry better or worse now? Not being able to tour “I can’t separate my experience to have regrets” June talks about health insurance/not taking antidepressants Mental illness – being in the arts with a mental illness stereotype of the “male creative genius” vs women, whose mental health problems manifest in less “socially acceptable” ways what parts of depression get demonized or put on a pedestal June talks about hiatuses from Grrl on Grrl, for example – how am I supposed to be consistent with depression? we’re not allowed to take breaks for ourselves Has stigmatization lessened? – Tumblr, spoonie community capitalism is the one shaming me into thinking that I need to be productive to learn how to make something for myself that represents me as my own person you’re on your OWN schedule, not on anybody else’s schedule [41:30] Chica Non Grata – “Burning Spark” (Website) Solo songwriter but with a band & having awesome collaborators Songwriting style changes? 4 track as a writing tool Connecticut music scene – New Haven (and Hartford too) “we all want each other to succeed” / share resources Cygnus Radio, WPKN, and other independent and/or local radio venues: bar, DIY spaces, Neverending Books, Cafe 9 The power of local mags/entertainment news Links Lys Guillorn & Her Band on Bandcamp Lys Guillorn’s website Lys Guillorn’s Facebook & Twitter Sarah Parish Bio More about who helped with Episode 34… After my frantic call for help to finish the last few interviews of Grrl on Grrl, San Diego freelancer and activist Sarah Parish stepped up to the plate to help with interview editing–cutting out silences, false starts, and in general just making sure the interview flowed together and made sense. The amount of work ahead of me was daunting me enough that I couldn’t get myself started, so thank you Sarah! As a freelancer, Sarah has done graphic design work creating teachers’ manuals for the organization Kitabna, whose main mission is to create illustrated multi-lingual children’s books for children displaced by war and and violence. “[Kitabna’s] books aim to create pride, learning, fun and dignity in the stigmatized refugee experience“, and the organizations’ 7 books have been translated to Arabic, Kurdish Sorani, Turkish, French, and more. Sarah also volunteers at Lambda Archives, who collect and document LGBT history and culture in the San Diego County, Tijuana/Baja California region, including recorded audio/video oral accounts (some which are available to stream online), over 40,000 historical photographs (currently in the process of being digitized), and other projects. THANK YOU SARAH!
38 minutes | Sep 3, 2018
Writer Carina Browder on writing about what actual inclusivity would look like in the music scene (GRRL033)
Welcome to Grrl on Grrl episode 33! In this episode, Carina Browder joined me over Skype……….. more than a year ago, to discuss writing about music, especially in the pop punk scene, talking shit about a *certain music publication* and offering less problematic ways to learn about music and embrace diversity. She is currently on hiatus from freelance writing but has started work for a pop culture convention. I had planned on smooshing this interview with another one I did with Kika Chatterjee, another music writer, but fuck it. They each deserve their own episode. You’ll hear Kika’s soon(ish?), along with interviews from Boneth Ahaneku and Lys Guillorn, the latter two edited with the amazing Sarah Parish, who answered my call for help. Thanks to The Fresh Brunettes for providing their song “Best of the Worst” as the new Grrl on Grrl theme song! You can find their album Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition on CDBaby. And of course, thank you to Carina Browder for her patience and to all of you folks for still checking in. Listen http://traffic.libsyn.com/grrlongrrl/GRRL033-CarinaBrowder.mp3 Download GRRL033 at Libsyn [~38 minutes; 37MB] or stream from these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play] Show Notes Mentioned articles in intro: “Defend Girls Not Pop Punk” at the Tempest and “Your Call for Inclusion Leaves Me Out” Inspiration for bringing intersectionality into music writing Atlanta – seeing kids with their parents at shows – reminding Carina of her dad taking her to shows Social media management/starting a Tumblr community for black girls who liked pop punk and alternative What drew Carina to write about music? Opinions on pop culture, moving from FB to WordPress American Idol – first artist she ever wrote about / in-person interview: Josiah Leming Why write about music specifically? [11:00] Staircase Spirits – “Roulette” Talking about not just gender-based inclusion but racial inclusion as well Culture shock when moving away from other multiracial military kids to more segregated Atlanta, Georgia Clinging to representation in pop culture What kind of issues does Carina want to cover or want to see covered? People are multi-faceted and have multiple identities Adia Victoria June: being referred to as just “the Asian”, being seen as the outsider, “the Othering” [23:45] No Home – “Suffering for Reputation” What draws you to cover a certain artist? Dream publications – wanting to write for teen-oriented magazines Problematic publications – Alt Press See list below for alternative sources/writers to follow Things to keep in mind as a music writer / Advice for a music writer Writing about diversity/pitching about diversity – actually examine what diversity looks like What do you think we can do to bring more POC to spotlight? Paying more attention to local music [34:20] Kareen Lomax – “Melatonin” Links Carina Browder’s portfolio Carina and Co-Host Charlie’s podcast Industry Plant (on hiatus) Carina’s Instagram & Carina’s Twitter Carina’s Suggested Writers to Follow Hanif Abdurraqib Hazel Cills Megan Seling Erika Delgado David Turner Brittany Spanos Charlie Joseph
41 minutes | Feb 11, 2018
Lisa Mungo on Seattle, how to be new band, and inclusivity in metal (GRRL032)
Welcome to Grrl on Grrl episode 32, featuring Lisa Mungo of metal band He Whose Ox is Gored and hardcore band Fucked and Bound. I met with Lisa in 2016 when He Whose Ox is Gored played in San Diego, and we recorded this interview in February after the first women’s march… yes, it’s taken me a whole year to put this out. Yiiiikes. Since the interview, Lisa’s other band–who we talk about but not name in this episode–Fucked and Bound, announced the release of their first album Suffrage. You can pre-order (or buy, depending on when you see this) the album via Atomic Action Records. They start shipping February 16, 2018. We also talk about Lisa’s expectations moving to Seattle and what she ultimately found there, how the city can foster the adventures of a newer band who’s still learning the ropes, and then a bit on her responsibility as a fellow woman to speak against misogyny while also balancing the need to ignore it at times. Thanks so much to Lisa for chatting with me over Skype and for being my inspiration to stop smoking! Thanks to The Fresh Brunettes for providing their song “Best of the Worst” as the new Grrl on Grrl theme song! You can find their album Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition on CDBaby. Listen http://traffic.libsyn.com/grrlongrrl/GRRL032-LisaMungo.mp3 Download GRRL032 at Libsyn [35 minutes; 34MB] or stream from these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play] Show Notes Quitting smoking and changes in Lisa’s screaming voice because of it The start of He Whose Ox is Gored, 7 (8?) years ago Meeting at Guitar Center, finding other folks who are just as serious about music as she is Buying a synth and inviting herself into the band Moving to Seattle – what were her expectations, and were those expectations met? Feeling lucky finding the DIY scene there The need for smaller venues for new and emerging bands A safe space to learn how to be a band Seattle has a cooperative, supportive underground music scene “I fucking love Seattle!” Will Seattle be able to “contain” He Whose Ox is Gored? Every band has a different goal and/or path, dependent on lifestyle. The possibility of over-playing a city or market; does that apply to younger bands too? What He Whose Ox is Gored did when they were a younger band–“it’s because they were taking a leak somewhere and they saw our name!” Advice and mistakes of being a younger band “Do whatever it takes.” Not being afraid to try new things Using mistakes and failure to grow as a band Song clip: Fucked and Bound’s “00FUXX” Talking about her new hardcore band, Fucked and Bound New record unreleased at time of the interview, but can be ordered via Atomic Action Records How does Lisa have the time for everything? Music as her main focus Making the switch to not drinking/not partying a few years back so she can focus on her projects Game of Thrones She reiterates, “I do watch a lot of Game of Thrones.” DIY merch creation The Vera Project – take a class and then can use their screenprinting lab We both grouse about screenprinting and other DIY travails The pride of making and selling their own merchandise Can the metal (or more generally the music) scene be more inclusive? If you want to hear Sarah from Spotlights’ answer to that, head to her episode here. Seattle can feel like an inclusive bubble. Deciding to “hit the ignore button” vs speaking out against microaggressions (mansplaining, inappropriate questions, etc.) on tour Responsibility to other women to speak up Taking it night by night and/or situation by situation Feeling hopeless in this current political climate Solidarity, speaking out, not giving up Using our anger to “hit the pavement” Song clip: He Whose Ox is Gored’s “Machina“ Links Fucked and Bound on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter He Whose Ox is Gored’s Bandcamp He Whose Ox is Gored on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter Stream
14 minutes | Jan 28, 2018
BONUS: Emily Williams on her psychosexuality and exploring gender via science and engineering (GRRL031B)
Welcome to Grrl on Grrl’s very first BONUS EPISODE, featuring deleted clips from Emily Williams’ interview (which you can listen to here)! In this bonus episode, we’ll talk about Emily’s changing psychosexuality pre- and post-transition, how science can help or hinder the exploration of gender and sexuality, and general science talk. Thank you to Emily Williams for getting very personal with me. She continues to get real personal at her blog Genderpunk.net and in her music project Axis Evil, so don’t forget to check those out. Thanks to The Fresh Brunettes for providing their song “Best of the Worst” as the new Grrl on Grrl theme song! You can find their album Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition on CDBaby. Listen http://traffic.libsyn.com/grrlongrrl/GRRL031B-EmilyOnScience.mp3 Download GRRL031B at Libsyn [14 minutes; 14MB] or stream from these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play] Show Notes Going public with her blog Genderpunk.net: “Brace yourself!” and exploring her psychosexuality How does the patriarchy and societal expectation shape our sexuality? Gynephilic -> bisexual Estrogen expanding emotional range June’s initial incredulous reaction to reading about this in Julia Serano’s book Whipping Girl Gender and sex as a social construct and biological – “And I’ll keep claiming that until I come up with a better idea.” Riley J. Dennis’ “Trans women are not ‘biologically male'” (YouTube) Combining scientific approach and personal narrative “I don’t have the data to write a solely scientific book.” Science used as validation for experience but then as gatekeeper “I don’t need a scientist to tell me I’m trans.” Pitfalls of scientific method and how that will affect researching sex, gender, and sexuality The differences between scientist (academic) and engineer (making an actual product) Links Her blog Genderpunk.net Axis Evil at genderpunk.net Buy her albums on Bandcamp
35 minutes | Jan 28, 2018
Emily Williams of Axis Evil and Genderpunk.net on her trans experience and cultural appropriation (GRRL031)
Grrl on Grrl is back again with episode 31 featuring Emily Williams. We talk about her music project Axis Evil–some weird time signature drum stuff, some weird guitar stuff, a sitar she bought in India, along with some very, very personal lyrics; navigating her trans-ness and her woman-ness thru the lenses of her science and engineering background at her blog Genderpunk.net; and being a token minority. The interview was recorded early 2017, when she had just recently released her album City of God. Since then, she’s released a second album Light Me Up and Love the Bomb in September of 2017, and she continues to release new material. Thank you to Emily Williams for taking the time to sit with me and for sharing her thoughts and music. Thanks to The Fresh Brunettes for providing their song “Best of the Worst” as the new Grrl on Grrl theme song! You can find their album Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition on CDBaby. Listen http://traffic.libsyn.com/grrlongrrl/GRRL031-EmilyWilliams.mp3 Download GRRL031 at Libsyn [35 minutes; 34MB] or stream from these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play] Show Notes Her music project, Axis Evil – “sophisticated punk rock that borders metal” Getting her heart broken over two Valentine’s Days: “I was really pissed that I didn’t have a date… so I wrote a song.” Playing around with algorithms with multiple types of drummers (sounds like GarageBand) Multiple layers Learning and playing the sitar / cultural appropriation A tangent into June wanting to learn the shamisen; fears of it and other “exotic” instruments being used just for musical flavor Cultural appropriation – how does Emily, a non-Indian white woman, justify learning the sitar and using it in her music – “paying her dues” A set piece vs. an entire culture/history “Prim and proper lady-like behavior” – Wrestling with the concept of “being a woman” and further “being a lady” Being forced into the lady-like behavior vs. choosing it as an exploration of gender Head over to bonus episode GRRL031B to hear more about her exploration of her psychosexuality The marginalized being put in a box by the unmarginalized Having to be the marketable type of minority to be taken serious Patrisse Kahn-Cullors on Politically Reactive – talks about this way more eloquently than I do Claudette Colvin as “The Other Rosa Parks” – transcript of story, including an interview with Colvin herself, on Democracy Now I mistakenly said she was an “unwed mother” in the episode More information on the model minority myth Model minority myth goes hand-in-hand with white supremacy “The Model Minority is Not a Myth: It’s Ajit Pai” by Aditi Natasha Kini (published at The Root) Placing Asians and Asian Americans in this “model minority” status has been historically used to pit us against other racial minorities – “Why can’t you work hard like the Asians?” It puts Asian Americans in a monolithic group, which can be dangerous to those who don’t fit the “mold” or don’t come from the right countries [12:10] Axis Evil – Redshift Being a woman in science and engineering Her job and people at work were supportive, but hostile while a student (and pre-transition) Being transgender as a bribery and blackmail risk; can’t work with the military / get a security clearance Feeling safe while on the military base vs. out in the city in the Deep South “Bathroom bill” – attempts to legislate who can and cannot use their bathroom based on their gender and sex Class & education being more tolerant? Eeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh “You have to understand… I had to rationalize this to walk out the door.” [21:10] Axis Evil – You Can Drive the World Telling the woman she loved that she loved her “Talk”, “Waste”, “Prayer” on City of God were about her How has transitioning affected Emily’s music Changing audiences and marketability City of God as part of a trans narrative Facebook marketing in India Branding as being “selectively famous” What’s the difference Emily wants to make with her music? Suicide rate in the trans community Being an additional voice not just for herself but for future voices Her voice being one type of voice, but we need different types of voices [32:15] Axis Evil – Stand Links Her blog Genderpunk.net Axis Evil at genderpunk.net Buy her albums on Bandcamp
42 minutes | Jan 14, 2018
Danielle Leonard of Topshelf Records on running a house venue & DIY label (GRRL030)
After a 6 month hiatus, here is episode 30 featuring Danielle Leonard! I met Danielle at the SD Women Music Industry night last year and was intrigued with her work running a DIY record label in Savannah, Georgia where she attended SCAD. She now works for San Diego-based Topshelf Records. In this interview we talk about the ups and downs of running a house venue, her DIY label Bomb Shelter Records, and one way to foster safety in the music scene. A warning in relation to our discussion on a safe scene: we talk about PWR BTTM as one example of a band fighting for safe spaces. Unfortunately, since the interview, Ben Hopkins has been accused of sexual assault. For more info and resources, check further down in the show notes. Apologies for the crackly intro and outro “monologues.” Not sure what happened there! Thank you to Danielle Leonard (and Marty!) for chatting with me and to all the artists for permission to use their song on the podcast. And thank you to The Fresh Brunettes, who are providing their song “Best of the Worst” as the new Grrl on Grrl theme song! You can find their album Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition on CDBaby. Listen http://traffic.libsyn.com/grrlongrrl/GRRL030-DanielleLeonard.mp3 Download GRRL030 at Libsyn [42 minutes; 39MB] or stream from these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play] Show Notes Danielle’s work in Savannah, Georgia with Bomb Shelter (the house venue and DIY record label) Running a house venue: From not knowing what a PA system is to dealing with landlords and BMI “Label” in air-quotes: Collaborative effort among the bands and the folks behind the label Using equipment and facilities from SCAD What they did for the bands Using that experience to make her way to Topshelf Records (based in San Diego!) Differences between working on Bomb Shelter and at Topshelf How supportive Topshelf is – the DIY ethic but in a larger scale Her role at Topshelf – “There’s only 4 of us.” [12:30] Rubblebucket – “Raining” (Website) Missing house shows now that Danielle doesn’t live in Savannah House show scene sustained by those not old enough for bar shows Couple of house venues in San Diego The Habitat – the article I wrote about this in San Diego Jewish Journal “If any city was made for [house shows], it was Savannah.” Collaborative effort: everybody worked together to create this all-ages music scene A few problems: Getting hassled by BMI, landlords, cops Waiting to find a tight-knit music scene in San Diego My own experience with the music scene here Danielle: there’s more opportunity / places for bands to play, maybe? (Whoa, I was 29 when I did this interview.) I hate on Soma “I’m gonna bring the shows to me.” [26:30] Covet – “Pelagic” (Bandcamp) WARNING: This is where we talk about PWR BTTM. Jordan Sargent’s article in SPIN about the aftermath of the accusations against PWR BTTM. What I like particularly about this article is that it discusses the immediate, visceral response against PWR BTTM by the scene, in contrast to other cases of sexual assault accusations Maria Sherman interviewed Sheridan Allen, founder of Punk Talks, about healing the music community after PWR BTTM, Brand New, and others. Allen outlines why restorative justice is so important, but it only works if the abuser actually wants to change Punk Talks’ Accountability workshops based on the restorative justice model (Facebook link) What’s a label’s responsibility for creating a safe music scene? Diverse (gender and racial) tour packages and label lineups: No Vacation, Ratboys, Slingshot Dakota I play a clip of Slingshot Dakota’s “Until the Day I Die” which was featured in this episode with Anastasia Rivera. Sexual abuse in the pop punk scene & the importance of diversity to create a safe space Less male-centric shows –> less violence Women on stage being explicit about The entitlement of “dancers”; don’t punch people at shows! [35:45] No Vacation – “Mind Fields” (Bandcamp) Links Danielle’s Twitter and Instagram Topshelf Records on Bandcamp
13 minutes | Sep 4, 2017
GRRL Interlude 005: Goodbye Polish, hello to you????, Felicia Williams, No Vacations, & podcast updates
Hey folks! Thanks for your patience waiting for new interviews. For now, here’s a mini-episode (“Interlude”) with some podcast updates and some rad poetry and music. Listen Here http://traffic.libsyn.com/grrlongrrl/I005-3.mp3 Download Interlude 005 from Libsyn. [~13mins; 13MB] Show Notes New theme song? Do you want your song to be the intro/outro music of Grrl on Grrl Podcast for the next year? I’m retiring Polish’s “Drive” and am looking for a new song. Shoot me an email at email@example.com! Podcast/hiatus update I have 4 interviews I had done for the end of “year 2” but I’m just moving that over to the beginning of year 3 (aka season 3). I’m getting those all done before releasing them, so there’s a bit more of a wait! New logo coming soon! Which means stickers, buttons, and maybe tote bags? What do you guys think? What about shirts? Between all you listeners and Cinema Spartan readers, we raised nearly $250 for Planned Parenthood, and got to giveaway a huge amount of merch from 20+ bands from around the country. THANK YOU ALL for participating. The Fresh Brunettes, Polish, and Slum Summer played my benefit show in mid-June where we raised $540 for Punk Talks. Yay mental health! Felicia Williams Her poem “How Many Bodies”, written after yet another shooting of an unarmed black man, music composed by Asher Mendel. You can find her recent work at Madwomanetc. Madwomanetc. store – pins and issue 0 available here; message them for issue 1 and stickers! (I have a poem in issue 1.) On Twitter On Instagram Songs featured Polish – “She Said” from their new album Inside Jokes, available on Bandcamp No Vacation – “Yam Yam”: you can find this and their other recent single “Mind Fields” at the No Vacation Bandcamp page or at Topshelf Records. Thanks as always to Glenn Greggs of Wait Think Fast Productions, and to Felicia Williams, No Vacation, and Polish.
49 minutes | May 21, 2017
GRRL029: Writing in the car, 90s influences, and Instagram marketing with Dee Clement of Lonely Bones
Dee Clement joins me over Skype to talk about her new project Lonely Bones. Why can’t Dee write any love songs? Why does she insist on writing songs while driving? And what’s up with Instagram? We talk about those questions and more! Previously of Peachy Keene and Sullen Ray, Dee Clement has been playing music and writing songs for a good while. For Lonely Bones, she’s working with Ali Coyle and Javan Slagle who are helping her produce the album. Thank you to Dee Clement for chatting with me and to all the artists for permission to use their song on the podcast. And as always, thanks to Glenn Greggs of Wait Think Fast Productions–check out his radio show every Tuesday at 9pm EST at WCOM!–and to Polish for use of their song “Drive” as the intro and outro music. Listen http://traffic.libsyn.com/grrlongrrl/GRRL029__Writing_in_the_car_and_Instagram_marketing_with_Dee_Clement_of_Lonely_Bones.mp3 Download GRRL029 at Libsyn [49 minutes; 45MB] or stream from these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play] Show Notes [1:40] Ramonda Hammer – “Zombie Sweater” (Website) What’s Lonely Bones? Dee’s inability write love songs June posits that her lyrics for Sullen Ray’s “Without You” is the closest to a love song she’s gotten The sound/aesthetic inspiration for Lonely Bones Writing “City Where You Sleep”, creating a cinematic experience? Writing songs in the car – finding inspiration, being James Dean [13:10] Lonely Bones – “City Where You Sleep” Working with Ali Coyle and Javan Slagle Excited to move to solo and what she learned working with Seth of Sullen Ray collab How to write songs – writing songs can be different each time, whether it’s lyrics first, music first, etc. Feeling restricted playing happy songs all the time, like for Peachy Keene [27:00] Cassandra – “So Wild” (Facebook) (Website) What kind of press Dee’s gotten for “City Where You Sleep” Monica Mendoza’s review on ListenSD Girl Underground Music spotlight on Instagram Tips on Instagram marketing hashtags and content to find followers being consistent with posting & forcing herself to play… or not Sharing her diary via Instagram, pretty much; learning to open up, being less private, be your true self [36:50] Leo*Leo – “Iowa” (Website) The difference being a woman in Peachy Keene (mostly women in the band) vs. Sullen Ray (half and half) Being queer [43:45] Lauren Ruth Ward – “Make Love to Myself” (Website) Links Lonely Bones’ SoundCloud Instagram Facebook
40 minutes | May 7, 2017
GRRL028: Pay-to-play, promoting, and self-respect with Jenna of SoCal Indie Musicians
For this episode, Jenna Alonzo joined me over Skype after her tour with her band Frequency Within. Hopefully I’ll be able to get the whole band together for an interview in the future, but this episode is actually about her website SoCal Indie Musicians, which she uses as a platform to help herself and other bands promote themselves and book shows, either through her blog or one-on-one. After you listen to the interview, scroll down a bit in these here show notes and check out all the blogs Jenna recommends to any DIY musician. You’ll also find links to SoCal Indie Musicians’ social media and her Facebook communities. Thanks to Jenna Alonzo for joining me for this episode! And as always, thank you to Glenn Greggs of Wait Think Fast Production for being the stalwart financial support for the show. Don’t forget to check out their weekly radio show on WCOM, on Tuesdays at 9pm Eastern Time, for radio plays written by North Carolinian playwrights. The intro and outro song is “Drive” provided by Polish. Listen Here http://traffic.libsyn.com/grrlongrrl/GRRL028__Pay-to-play_promoting_and_self-respect_with_Jenna_Alonzo_of_SoCal_Indie_Musicians.mp3 Download episode 28 at Libsyn [40 minutes; 36.7MB] or stream from these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play] Show Notes What pay-to-play is, why venues or promoters even do it Jenna’s experiences with pay-to-play and her thoughts on it as a music fan, and then as a musician What makes a good partnership between a band and a venue? Programme in Fullerton Built-in crowd… or not? And knowing your goals and audience [9:00] Frequency Within – “Static Ground” The purpose of SoCal Indie Musicians blog Lots of tips on marketing and booking so she doesn’t keep repeating herself Education in music business and reading as many blogs and books as possible (look below for links to her recommended resources) Learning from mistakes… everything as a new experience. “You can’t really do anything wrong.” Call back to GRRL022 with Sarah of Spotlights “You can’t do everything on your own all the time… even if you want to.” SCIM growing, other people helping What do you look for in a band to decide you want to work with them? “I listen to everything.” “If the song itself is really great, then I’ll check them out further.” Red flags/pet peeves: seeing symptoms and signs of bands she doesn’t want to work with June rants a tiny bit about show attendance [22:00] Black Jacobins – “War is Hell” (Facebook) (CDBaby) What do women and nonbinary folx need to know about the business of music that’s specific to them? Stand up for yourself, basically Some rad venues 51 West in Arizona – a coffeeshop/venue The Smell in LA – DIY, completely not-for-profit, and volunteer run What are steps to make Orange County venues safer/opener? Putting your safety and feelings above your career Article mentioned in the episode: “This Is Why Wax Idols and King Woman Dropped Off Their Tour with Pentagram” by Cat Jones From the article: “I’ve gotten extremely used to being discredited, scoffed at, made fun of, told that I’m a bitch, that I’m crazy, that I’m delusional, that I’m a nobody, that what I think doesn’t matter, that my band doesn’t matter—I’ve been told all of these things by so many people, and I’m used to it. But I don’t believe it. So I refuse to allow myself to be treated that way, no matter what people say to me and how people treat me. And I’m not going to let my bandmates get treated that way. Absolutely not. I’ll never sit back and watch people that I care about get disrespected and treated like shit, and watch them feel bad and uncomfortable, and not do anything to help them. It’s just not going to happen.” — Hether Fortune [34:30] The Black Heartthrobs – “Everything’s Alright” Officially announcing the 2017 Grrl on Grrl & Cinema Spartan merch giveaway… Links SoCal Indie Musicians Blog/Website & SCIM Facebook SoCal Female Musicians – closed Facebook group, very active YouTube channel Her band Frequency Within Jenna’s Blog & Book Recommendations Grassrootsy – Independent Musicians with first-hand experience share insight. Indie on the Move – Various blog posts & video interviews with industry professionals. Disc Makers – Major Music Industry Insight; usually related to recording artists. DIY Musician (CDBaby) – Major Music Industry Insight as an independent musician The Small Venue Survivalist – Sound Engineering Music Think Tank – Music Business SonicBids – Live Performance & Booking BMI – Major Music Industry – Songwriters Tom Tom Magazine – Female Drummers Bitch Media – Female Everything From an email to me: As far as books go, they get outdated quickly and a lot of them say the same things about the old music business. Everything relevant & new you can find as Blogs & on YouTube. I did, however, purchase Ari’s book “How to make it in the new music business” which is excellent so far and came out in December 2016. He’s very real and his writing alternates between using “he” and “she” making the reading experience more comfortable.
34 minutes | May 3, 2017
GRRL026: Femme punk, misconceptions, and song inspiration, with the Fresh Brunettes
ANYWAY, HERE’S EPISODE 26. This episode of Grrl on Grrl features Aleisha and Alexis of San Diego “femme punk” band The Fresh Brunettes. Their bassist Paul was also in the room, but didn’t say much, as bassists are wont to do, and Fresh Brunettes’ dog mascot Cosmo also graced us with his presence. Besides the amazing songs from Lisa Prank, Soft Lions, the Candelights, you’ll hear Alexis and Aleisha talk about preconceived notions of what a guitarist or drummer should look like, some inspiration for their songs, and what they appreciate when interacting with their audience. Thank you as always to Glenn Greggs of Wait Think Fast Production for providing hosting costs, to Polish for providing their song “Drive” for the intro and outro music, and for the first time ever, to Adam Goron, producer of Chicago’s “premier” Star Trek podcast Space Lincoln, for helping me remove some crazy noise on one of the interview tracks. A true lifesaver! Listen Here http://traffic.libsyn.com/grrlongrrl/GRRL026__Femme_punk_and_misconcetions_with_Aleisha_and_Alexis_of_The_Frsh_Brunettes.mp3 Download GRRL026 on Libsyn [31.2MB, 34 minutes] or stream from these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play] Show Notes The who’s who of the Fresh Brunettes A little bit about the name of their latest album Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition What does calling themselves “femme punk” mean Making feminist music; “crass with class” [4:30] Lisa Prank – “Luv is Dumb“ Meanings behind new songs not on their latest album: “GPS” and “Miss America” “Miss America” based off a poem by Alexis Trigger warning: description of an assault video Deciding on what songs to play and what to have on the album [11:40] Soft Lions – “Digital Girls“ Their interview on San Diego radio station 91x (91.1) Fans/audience responses and conversations “That’s probably why I like performing so much. It’s my chance to let loose.” Being “unexpectedly” loud (and whether that has to do with gender) Being shy in person but having to perform banter as well [19:30] The Candelights – “Motel” (Facebook) – formerly known as The End Misconceptions and assumptions made on what Aleisha plays or sounds like Counterpoint: Alexis on drums Without Paul the bassist, the new album would not have been made! “Would you do anything different?” Book differently, being smarter about booking in 2017 CD/cassette release – Hoping to release through Weiner Records, but… [28:30] The Fresh Brunettes – “Friends” Googling The Fresh Brunettes & Paul’s insightful commentary Links The Fresh Brunettes on Facebook on Instagram Buy Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition on CDBaby Their demos
39 minutes | Apr 23, 2017
GRRL027: Depression & (the lack of) DIY spaces with Diana Regan
You might be wondering where episode 26 is, but uh, just… it never existed. (It’ll come soon, I promise.) For episode 27, I interviewed Oakland-based solo artist Diana Regan, who records and releases her music straight from her home! In the episode, we talk about the stories behind her songs and our process transposing and performing our songs in different instruments–in her case, ukulele to guitar; for me, ukulele to piano. We also touch on the Ghost Ship warehouse fire in Oakland last year, and how DIY spaces and communities like that saved Diana in her younger years. Not-so-fun fact: I originally interviewed Diana in early 2016 but because of technical difficulties, I had to scrap the interview. Fortunately Diana was willing to sit down with me for a SECOND interview. Thanks to Diana for her patience! Content Warning: We talk extensively about dealing with depression, and also have mentions of self-harm, addiction, and trauma. Listen Here http://traffic.libsyn.com/grrlongrrl/GRRL027__DIY_spaces__depression_featuring_solo_artist_Diana_Regan.mp3 Download GRRL027 from Libsyn [39min, 36.1MB] or stream from these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play] Show Notes [1:10] Diana Regan – “Rapid Cycles” Growing up with a family of musicians, playing in punk bands Considerations when switching off between ukulele and guitar when performing live Transcribing/transposing music to other instruments (uke to piano, uke to guitar) What songs absolutely don’t work moving from ukulele to guitar? “Foggy Highways” and “The Unanswered Question” [9:30] Diana Regan – “Foggy Highways” Being depressed the day of the interview What kind of strategies Diana uses for dealing with depression Oakland music scene, Ghost Ship fire Introflirt – their Facebook shares memories of their creativity and passions Similarity to the artist communityies in Fresno / The difficulties of creating a safe music community Mention of defunct space “notaflof” (no one turned away for lack of funds) – DIY queer spaces More Fresno – “Those kinds of DIY spaces… That was like my home” An active, hostile police presence trying to shut these spaces down Gentrification / California being too expensive for artists and creative communities I mention a great episode from The Imposter featuring musician Austra, talking about funding for the arts and gentrification Needing financial and social capital to get a community going [22:30] Diana Regan – “Salty Little Tears” Why hasn’t Diana been playing very much? Benefit for the Bay Area Queer Zine Fest Honey Hive Gallery in San Francisco Feeling like shit for not doing anything creative (Not) writing songs while depressed — Diana (Not) working on the podcast — June “Fake happy face” – faking happiness or normalcy while depressed The importance of talking about mental illness June talks about another great podcast episode; in this instance, Angry Grrrl Music’s interview with Punk Talks’ founder Sheridan Allen [33:30] Diana Regan – “The Secrets That I Keep” Links Diana Regan on Bandcamp On Facebook Thanks As always, thank you so much to Glenn Greggs of Wait Think Fast Productions for providing audio hosting costs. You can check out Glenn’s show every Tuesday 9pm EST on WCOMFM, a public radio station in North Carolina that features radio plays by local playwrights. You can listen live on the website. And of course, thank you so much to Diana Regan for sitting down with me (again!) and to Polish for providing the intro and outro music.
44 minutes | Apr 12, 2017
GRRL025: Fiddling, contra dance, and gender at Smith College, with Anna Levitt of Crooked
Welcome to episode 25 of Grrl on Grrl with Anna Levitt of San Diego folk band Crooked. In this episode we talk about the differences between classical violin and fiddle, gender at Anna’s alma mater Smith College and with babies, and the two different faces of her band Crooked. Disclaimer/corrections on the portion about Smith College: During the interview we talk about how trans men are included in Smith, but it looks like that is not the case any longer. If you look at their gender inclusion policy on their site, they admit women (cis and trans), do not include trans men, and then have a complete non-answer for genderqueer and gender nonconforming individuals. This makes me pretty uncomfortable, and honestly, I’m not sure how to express my feelings on this. I’m definitely interested in how their policy will continue to evolve. What are your thoughts? Feel free to shoot me an email! I’d love to hear from you! I got my first one-star rating on iTunes. I’m assuming it’s some sort of men’s rights activist, but who knows? If you wanna help the podcast rating out at all, please head on over to the podcast on iTunes and leave your thoughts and suggestions. I’m always excited to hear from you! Listen http://traffic.libsyn.com/grrlongrrl/GRRL025__Gender_inclusion_and_playing_the_fiddle_with_Anna_Levitt_of_Crooked.mp3 Download GRRL025 at Libsyn [43mins, ~60MB] or stream from these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play] Show Notes [2:00] Crooked – “Another Cuppa Joe” [6:00] The differences between violin and fiddle “A lot of people ask what the fiddle is relative to the violin.” “Oh my God, I was totally gonna ask that next!” [7:30] A bit about Anna’s band Crooked Everybody contributing singing, writing, and playing Anna branching into writing lyrics [9:20] One of Anna’s songs making it into the Crooked album (“Mama Put the Frango On“) Road trip in Mozambique for a music festival Mbila/Timbila – xylophone-esque [12:20] Uncle Earl – Willie Taylor (Album) (Website) [16:40] Training in/playing classical music and then finding where the fun was–Irish bars! [18:40] Going to a women’s college Gender neutral language in college policy, how the changes came about “Having language that said ‘she’ and ‘her’ was really inspiring [in original college policy] but it’s a new age and we were excluding people.” Being politic, consulting alumni before making changes The community aspect: having regular, virtual tea parties “GENDER IS DUMB.” [22:30] Having a baby and having to talk about gender “What is it?” “I don’t want to force [gender] on a two-day old child.” Baby X story by Lois Gould, a fictional short story originally published in the 1970s in Ms. Magazine From what I can tell, Gould then turned it into a children’s book called X: A Fabulous Child’s Story It has also been adapted into a short, 11-minute film “Babies have a lot in common. They want to chew on things.” [25:00] Rayna Gellert & Friends – Ducks on the Millpond (Website) [27:20] Crooked: 1 band, 2 incarnations What you hear on the record vs. live contradance band Contradance – a partnered dance, originally popular in the Appalachians with a couple of revivals (including now!) [30:15] San Diego Contra Dance, associated with the SD Folk Heritage Gender neutral one in San Francisco, but not in San Diego Learning opportunities in San Diego Contradance by playing in their community band [32:00] The differences between square dancing, country line dancing, and contradance Starting a “square-volution” Learning in elementary school Henry Ford?!?! [34:15] City Heights Music School – Saturday school, non-profit Anna’s involvement with them [37:45] The Nields – Keys to the Kingdom (Website) Links Crooked’s website and Facebook page Crooked’s Instagram Their new album “To the Dancing Ground” on Bandcamp Thanks Thanks so much to Anna for inviting me into her home and picking some great artists and songs to feature in her episode! And as always, thank you to everyone who checked in on me the last two weeks to see where the new episodes were, to Gary Hankins who tried his best to get rid of some of that electrical buzz in the recording and put the whole thing together, to Greg Guiliano of Wait Think Fast Productions for hosting costs, and to Polish for their song “Drive.” Thanks as always to Gary Hankins who tried his best to get rid of some of that electrical buzz in the recording, and to Greg Guiliano of Wait Think Fast Productions for hosting costs.
48 minutes | Mar 13, 2017
GRRL024: Streak of bad luck and sneaking off to play drums, with Stefanie of Caustic Casanova
Stefanie joined me online after Caustic Casanova’s 2016 tour to talk about their almost-comical bad luck streak during the first week of their tour, some tour tips, a bit about their record label Retro Futurist, and the difficult time and plain hard work she put in to recover from breaking *both* her wrists. I also bust out my trumpet playing story again, but this time to learn about Stefanie’s slight subterfuge when it came to finally playing the drums in high school. Based in Washington D.C., Caustic Casanova has been described as “heavy metal B-52s” and other crossovers that usually involve the words “hard”, “heavy”, and “psychedelic.” They’ll be recording a new album starting in April, before going on yet another summer tour, so keep an eye out for tour dates. You do NOT want to miss them! Listen http://traffic.libsyn.com/grrlongrrl/GRRL024__Bad_luck_and_musical_subterfuge_with_Stefanie_Zaenker_of_Caustic_Casanova.mp3 Download episode 24 at Libsyn or stream from these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play] Show Notes Caustic Casanova – “Thundersnow” Are genres so important nowadays? Things Stefanie learned from their 2016 tour Plan for traffic – Giving themselves a 2hr buffer More off-days to recoup and for equipment malfunctions Coming across amp trouble and finding a savior in St. Louis at Acme Guitars Irata – “Lion Slayer” (Website) Touring – how and why flexible jobs, being upfront to potential employers Love traveling and eating interesting food: Check out their list of top food places from their tour on Facebook How did the tour work out financially? Not quite breaking even Stefanie wants to emphasize how totally do-able touring is for any band that’s around Caustic Casanova’s level Emily Danger – “Peace Arch” (Website) Retro Futurist Records – Savannah, Georgia label – owned by the folks of Kylesa who Caustic Casanova toured with before being asked to join the label Breaking bones – delays in putting out Breaks Surgery and moving in with parents Loss of independence, mental health, and becoming motivated to kick ass at physical therapy Holly Hunt – “Meano” Learning trumpet because mom didn’t want her play the drums “But my heart’s always belonged to the drums.” Sneaking off to find a drum kit Heavy music dominated by men, drumming especially, but there are a lot of girl drummers out there Hit Like a Girl – an annual drumming contest sponsored by Drum! and Tom Tom Magazines. Links Caustic Casanova’s Website, Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook Find Caustic Casanova’s album Breaks at Retro Futurist’s Bandcamp (Label website) Their older album Someday You Will Be Proven Correct
14 minutes | Mar 5, 2017
Interlude 004: trans-exclusion at the women’s march, podcast recs, and poetry from Felicia Williams
Interlude 004 is all about inclusivity/exclusivity: from podcasts that interview with inclusivity in mind to the global women’s march in January. Plus, “Nvr Pass” by previous Grrl on Grrl guest Emma with her band She/Her/Hers, and the poem “A Kind of Dying” by San Diego poet Felicia Williams. Wanna submit your poetry and flash fiction to be featured in an Interlude episode? Shoot me an email! Don’t forget to rate & review Grrl on Grrl on iTunes or Stitcher, and you can follow me on Twitter and Instagram @grrlongrrl, or you can like the Grrl on Grrl Podcast page on Facebook. Listen Here http://traffic.libsyn.com/grrlongrrl/GRRL_Interlude_004__Felicia_Williams_She_Her_Hers_and_trans-exclusion_at_the_January_womens_march.mp3 Download at Libsyn or listen at these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play] Links & Notes She/Her/Hers – “Nvr Pass” Keep updated on the release of their next album Grrrl Angst by following them on Facebook. Birthday Loon Studios by Hailey Wojcik – you can hear some more about Hailey’s stop motion animation work on her episode here So much detail. So much work. Facebook All her videos on Vimeo Angry Grrrl Music of the Indie Rock Persuasion by Amanda Starling – a podcast highlighting women, femmes, LGBTQ, and minority movements in the punk rock & indie rock scenes Episode 2 with Sheridan Allen of Punk Talks – mental health for musicians Episode 6 with War on Women – “Music is my activism” Sooo Many White Guys “Join comedian Phoebe Robinson as she talks to performers, musicians, authors and artists who are killing it in their fields. Oh, and none of them are white dudes! Whew.” Episode 17 with Margaret Cho – “Phoebe and Margaret Cho Hope They Die Alone” Women’s March / Exclusion of Trans Voices TransEthic interview with Katelyn Burns on Writing, Politics, and Moving Forward How ‘Pussy Hats’ Made Me Feel Excluded — And Then Welcomed — At The Women’s March by Katelyn Burns Felicia Williams Her poem “A Kind of Dying” with backing track by Asher Mendel Her collaborative poetry zine Madwoman et cetera, which you can buy here Instagram & Twitter Thanks! Thank you to Felicia Williams, Asher Mendel, Emma of She/Her/Hers, and Polish for the use of their song “Drive.”
38 minutes | Feb 27, 2017
GRRL023: unexpected double standards and “women in music” tropes, featuring the Fictitious Dishes
All four members of the Fictitious Dishes (Taryn, Liz, Maggie, and Jacquie) join me on this episode of Grrl on Grrl to talk about whether or not to expect people to pay for their music, the possibilities of working with a producer, some conflicting messages from showgoers when Taryn’s husband Hugh (of Slum Summer) filled in for Liz, and double standards and confusion in feminism and music. This is the first time I recorded more than 2 people on separate mics. It needs some work, but I definitely learned a lot and I have some goals to reach the level of quality I really want in the future. For now, I hope I fixed the levels enough in post that you can hear everybody well! Grrl on Grrl is now back on its biweekly schedule. Are you excited? I’m excited. Relieved and excited. Thanks for listening! Listen Here http://traffic.libsyn.com/grrlongrrl/GRRL023__Paying_for_music_and_double_standards_with_the_Fictitious_Dishes.mp3 Download episode 23 at Libsyn [37min, 36.3MB] or listen at these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play] Show Notes The Fictitious Dishes – “Counting Coup” (demo) Recording while pregnant Wanting/needing a producer for the demos “Why is your music free?” — Paying for music or not We’ve Got a Fuzzbox and We’re Gonna Use It!! – “Love is the Slug” Shit for being an all woman band Implicit biases about women and men’s relationships within a band Playing in an all-girl band (compared to their previous bands) “Does it need to be a woman or not?” That’s kind of our thing. / Co-ed bands Spending time with people you enjoy == your band Being asked to be a role model for girls just because you’re a woman Double standard — you wouldn’t ask white guys if they consider themselves a role model Men Who Rock! and Men Who Rock! II at Seattle alternative magazine The Stranger: a parody of how women are portrayed in music magazines Amy Klein of Titus Andronicus on not seeing any women with instruments in Rolling Stone – Beautifully written, this article (which was originally a Tumblr post(s)) is about how important it is for girls to see more of themselves in magazines and media, the severe lack of representation of women just doing things, and the exhausting standards of perfection women must face in male-dominated fields. There are so many good quotes in this, but here’s one: “What we’re doing when we exclude women from rock and roll, and from the sense of rebellion that rock and roll promises, is disallowing women that independent perspective. We’re never giving them the chance to think critically about the world, and about the systems that oppress them. When we take women out of the arts, and take them out of art’s ability to critique the way things are, we’re making sure that women keep swallowing the status quo, day after day, and it’s the status quo that keeps us down.” Happy Fangs – “Hiya Kaw Kaw” (Website) Links The Fictitious Dishes on Facebook The Fictitious Dishes’ album You Could Never Be Enough on Bandcamp Jacquie’s other band Dirty Pennies Thanks! Thank you to Liz, Taryn, Maggie, and Jacquie of the Fictitious Dishes! Taryn and Hugh graciously allowed me and the rest of the band into their home to do the interview. Thank you as always to Greg Guiliano of Wait Think Fast Productions and to Polish for letting me use their song “Drive” for the intro and outro music.
7 minutes | Feb 5, 2017
GRRL Interludes 003: Music news, fake news, and a Backpage.com update
In this quick episode, I give some updates on past Grrl on Grrl guests, including new albums and award nominations! Plus I plug a great podcast and a couple of articles about journalism and fake news, and a quick update on Backpage.com–which I talked about in Interlude Episode 001–and some organizations to check out in the wake up the shutdown. I also have the pleasure of talking over some ambient music created by Asher Mendel, because I felt weird having just my voice talking with no background. So uh, what do you think? Is it too distracting? Too gloomy? TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK. Listen Here http://traffic.libsyn.com/grrlongrrl/GRRL_Interlude_003__Fake_news_and_Backpage.com_update_featuring_Asher_Mendel.mp3 Download Interlude 003 on Libsyn [7MB, ~7min] or listen at these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play] Music News Hours’ Different Executions EP (Facebook) – Carrie Gillespie Feller of Hexa’s new band is killing it. If you need a reminder of who she is, check out Grrl on Grrl episode 11. The Fresh Brunettes’ FUBAR (Facebook) – They had their album release in January with a show at San Diego’s Blonde Bar. You can check out their song FUBAR in the episode I did with Megan Liscomb. Congratulations and good luck to the San Diego Music Award nominees! The Rise of Fake News …and how to navigate it. Paraphrased from the Flash Forward episode “Extra! Extra!”, here are two things you can do before sharing anything on social media. Read the article and find its sources. Do the so-called experts quoted in the article even exist? If there are research articles cited, were they published by a legitimate journal? Because apparently there are publications out there where you can just PAY to have your article published. No peer review required. Check what website it’s on. Does the rest of the site have an obvious political agenda? Are the other articles on the site bogus as shit? The Rise of Progressive ‘Fake News’ by Robinson Meyer: “The disempowered left now faces its own kinds of hoaxes and fables.” (The Atlantic) How Viral Fake Election News Stories Outperformed Real News On Facebook by Craig Silverman: “Top fake election news stories generated more total engagement on Facebook than top election stories from 19 major news outlets combined.” (Buzzfeed) Objectivity is dead, and I’m okay with it by Lewis Wallace: a radio journalist writes about why a call for journalistic neutrality comes from a place of privilege, journalism as its own form of activism, and other really great bits. Backpage.com Update It happened, Backpage.com shut down their adult services section, putting many sex workers in dangerous positions. The Sex Workers’ Outreach Project: With several chapters around the US, SWOP provides resources, information, outreach, and activism. Desiree Alliance: A network of sex worker organizations and communities, health professionals, and supporters working towards productive activism. Joint statement about sex workers’ rights (GDocs)
53 minutes | Jan 15, 2017
GRRL022: New York vs. LA, the hustle, and touring with Deftones and Refused featuring Sarah Quintero of Spotlights
Happy new year, folks, and welcome to episode #22 of Grrl on Grrl! In this episode, you’ll hear Sarah Quintero of Spotlights, a sludgegaze band from New York. She and Mario, who you heard mentioned in a cut segment I included at the end of the last episode, met in San Diego, before moving to Brooklyn where they are now based. In summer of 2016, they toured with Refused and Deftones! You’ll hear more about that in the interview. We also talk about their goals with growing the band and the supportive music scene in New York. The first episode of 2017 runs a bit longer at 53 minutes, but it’s totally worth it because you’ll get to hear not only Spotlights, but San Diego’s Sleeping People and Seattle-based band He Whose Ox Is Gored. Enjoy! Listen Here http://traffic.libsyn.com/grrlongrrl/GRRL022__New_York_vs_LA_and_touring_with_Deftones_and_Refused_with_Sarah_Quintero_of_Spotlights.mp3 Download from Libsyn [53 minutes; 50.6MB] or listen at these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play] Show Notes Collaborating with a significant other; the inception of Sleep Lady and Spotlights Why move to Brooklyn? How is it compared to people’s attitudes in Los Angeles? “The hustle”: DIY management, getting press, networking (ie making friends) Finding a home at St. Vitus in New York Sarah’s zero tolerance to getting flak as a woman in a heavier genre metal as one of the most supportive music genres “life’s too short for bullshit” The tour with Deftones and Refused Brooklyn Vegan Super exciting and super terrifying – “what if they’re total assholes?” Differences between setting up your own tour vs being on tour with an already established band Crowquill Records – what a record label should do Mario’s side solo project: Codas Making connections more easily now – social media – digital distribution it’s easy enough to move on if something doesn’t work Song List Spotlights – Hover from Tidals EP Sleeping People – Johnny Depp from their self-titled album (Facebook) He Whose Ox Is Gored – Crusade (HWOIG website) Thanks! Thank you so much to Sarah for speaking with me and being so inspiring, and to the folks at He Whose Ox Is Gored and Sleeping People for being part of this episode’s playlist. And as always, thank you to Greg Guiliano of Wait Think Fast Productions and to Polish for letting me use their song “Drive” as the Grrl on Grrl theme song.
31 minutes | Dec 4, 2016
GRRL021: Songumentaries, reverse sexism?!, and going pro with Angie Walton of Duping the Public
In this episode, Angie of Duping the Public and I talk about DTP’s songumentary series–which documents their songwriting, production, and recording process, lifting women up in a male-dominated industry, how soul-sucking “going pro” in any industry can be, and the strides women have made in the music scene. Listen Here http://traffic.libsyn.com/grrlongrrl/GRRL021__reverse_sexism__skating_and_going_pro_with_Angie_of_Duping_the_Public.mp3 Download through Libsyn [31 minutes, 30MB] Find on iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play Show Notes Links Website (Find their music and merch store, blog posts and more info on the songumentaries, and news) Vimeo (actual songumentary videos) Facebook Thanks Thank you so much to Angie for inviting me into the Duping the Public practice space for the interview. Thanks as always to Greg Guiliano of Wait Think Fast Productions! Editing, mixing, and mastering was done by me, June, this time, so don’t blame Gary for any mishaps in the episode. (On that note, if you have any comments or suggestions or any glaring errors I missed editing the episode, please let me know!)
9 minutes | Nov 9, 2016
GRRL Interludes 002: Blackberry Tongues, War on Women, and Iceland’s wage gap protest
I recorded and edited this episode yesterday but got stressed out about the election enough that I didn’t post. It seems pointless and meaningless to even put this up now, but I guess… life… goes on? In this Interlude, you get to listen to a song off Blackberry Tongues latest EP put out in July, hear about Icelandic women’s protest about the unfair wage gap this past October, and a little bit about the Newsweek story on War on Women, which Grrl on Grrl listener Molly sent me. Let’s build a Grrl on Grrl community! Start posting cool links, feminist resources, news stories, or anything else you’d think I or other Grrl on Grrl listeners will be interested. You can post them on our Facebook page, shoot me an email, or send a tweet! I might even mention you in future episodes! Question of the month: How has your gender, class, and race affected your work environment? Shoot me an email at firstname.lastname@example.org or comment on Facebook or Twitter! I may share your thoughts on future episodes. Listen http://traffic.libsyn.com/grrlongrrl/GRRL_Interlude_002__Unfair_wage_gap_Blackberry_Tongues_War_on_Women_duping_the_public.mp3 Download from Libsyn [9 minutes, 8.6MB] Find on iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play Unfair Wage Gap This segment based on this New York Times blog post: “Women in Iceland protest country’s 14 percent pay gap by leaving work 14 percent early“ The Date Women Stop Being Paid in Europe (Expert Market) The Simple Truth about the Gender Pay Gap (Fall 2016) (AAUW) Blackberry Tongues The Jackals EP Find The Jackals on Bandcamp Featured song is “Canine in your goldmine” War on Women Thanks to Molly T for sharing this link with me on Facebook! “War on Women Fuses Feminism and Hardcore Punk” (Newsweek) Stay safe.
23 minutes | Oct 18, 2016
GRRL020: Staying safe, queer, and slutty with Oakland band Spray Tan
For episode 20, all three members of the self-proclaimed super queer, super slutty Oakland band Spray Tan–Andrea, Dorsey, and Lindsay–joined me online to talk about their experiences touring and staying safe as a queer band. We talk a bit about what came first–the punk or the queer?, how they determine when they play one of their more incendiary songs, and a bit of their songwriting process. (Hint: I wish I could be there.) Trigger warning for use of queer slurs in reclaimed and un-reclaimed contexts. Listen/Download http://traffic.libsyn.com/grrlongrrl/GRRL020_Staying_safe_queer_and_slutty_with_Oakland_band_Spray_Tan.mp3 Download directly from Libsyn [23 minutes; ~27.4MB] Find on iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play Shownotes [1:30] Accidentally forming Spray Tan Wanting to form a “squawky” jazz band The term “slut rock” – “Maybe we should just write songs about being sluts.” Thelma and the Sleaze as an influence – “Shreddy rock and roll people” [3:15] Songwriting process, collaborative and trashy [5:20] Spray Tan – Str8 H8 Would you leave the room if you heard this song? Connects into the following discussion… [6:30] Feeling safe (or not) playing songs like “Str8 H8” How do you decide to play the song? Red flags Will people become violent in response to songs like that? [9:50] Trap Girl – Dead Men Don’t Rape [11:15] Spray Tan’s worst tour experience Backing out on a radio show in Utah (TW: use of slurs) and accidentally following Built to Spill on tour [14:00] Great experiences on tour: Identifying with and playing with queer communities, big and small Oakland: “Everybody’s in a queer band.” “…isn’t that a good thing though?” [15:00] Sissyfit – BFF [17:00] Olympia, WA “It’s a town of punks.” “Or queer.” Gay New York – the history of the word “punk” from gay history [17:50] Boner City – Die Young [20:30] The story behind their laser-etched pins Laser-etched dildo pins…… coming soon?!?!?!?!?! Links Find their album SOLOSLUT on Spray Tan’s Bandcamp (cassettes, tapes, pins, koozies) Spray Tan Facebook Spray Tan Instagram Music Video Thanks Thanks as always to all of you for listening, to Gary Hankins, and to Greg Guiliano of Wait Think Fast Productions. The intro and outro track is “Drive” by Polish, which you can find on their Bandcamp.
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