Our hearty conversation between Rev. Dr. Susan Frederick-Gray and Caitlin Breedlove dives into humility, leadership, risk and institutional opportunity and threats. Check it out! Rev. Dr. Susan Frederick-Gray was elected President of the Unitarian Universalist Association on June 24, 2017. Prior to her election, she served as Lead Minister of the Unitarian Universalist Congregation of Phoenix, Arizona. Susan played a critical role in the long-term campaign to end the constitutional violations of Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Susan received a Masters of Divinity from Harvard Divinity School and a Bachelor of Science in Molecular Biology from the University of Wisconsin, Madison. She is a lifelong UU who grew up at in the St. Louis area. She lives now in Cambridge, MA with her husband, Brian and their son. Referenced in this conversation: Puente Arizona The Great Turning by Joanna Macy intro music by Abhimanyu Janamanchi. production by Nora Rasman.