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Larissa and I had the absolute honor of interviewing David Hayward, who you probably know as the NakedPastor! David is known for his expansive artwork that depicts the unfortunate experience of many people in parts of the Christian world, and he does it in a way that is incredibly healing. David lives in Canada with his wife and grown children. His experience in the church and in the world as the NakedPastor is intriguing and inspiring. And a side note, David will be here in Charlotte, NC April 2023 to speak on our icuTalks stage! What we discuss: The dream that flipped David's lid The story behind The NakedPastor Being our most authentic selves David's theological journey Diverse communities make our lives fuller Feeling safe in connection Potluck community Healing happens when we are safely seen and heard Being heard without being hurt David's Bio: David Hayward was ordained to the ministry in 1987 and left in 2010. He's been running the NakedPastor blog since 2005, where he posts his provocative cartoons and articles. He launched an online community called The Lasting Supper, a place for people to change without being judged or instructed, and where they can learn to become spiritually independent. He's been cartooning, making art, writing, speaking, and coaching around his core passions: personal authentic freedom, the power to change our own lives, and the creative spirit to make our world a better place. He and his wife live in eastern Canada. They have three adult children. Connect with David Hayward on IG and FB @nakedpastor and on his website: NakedPastor.com For David's new book, Flip It Like This: NakedPastor.com/FlipItLikeThis

Mako and Kim discuss his expansive knowledge about abortion, including his book Abortion Policy and Christian Social Ethics in the United States. Mako shares about his Asian-American culture and his love for Jesus. Mako gives a refreshing and thought-provoking description of restorative versus retributive justice. Mako is the Director of the Anastasis Center and schools Kim about its meaning. Mako Nagasawa (BA/BS Stanford University; MTS Holy Cross Greek Orthodox Seminary) is the Director of The Anástasis Center for Christian Education and Ministry. He and his team write curriculum, and teach, on how early Christian restorative justice and healing atonement are relevant for today’s racial and political issues, for emotional development, and ministry today. Mako has contributed to NIV God’s Justice Bible (2016) and Honor, Shame, and the Gospel (2020). He has lived in Christian intentional communities since 1995 and lives with his wife Ming in Dorchester, MA. Connect with Mako on his website AnastasisCenter.org

Christian, Gay, Rejected, & Repurposed with Mike Maeshiro Kim Honeycutt interviews the amazing Mike Maeshiro. In this episode, they discuss Mike's involvement with Bethel Church and how he's been treated since he came out. Mike discusses each of the clobber passages and declobbers them! Mike shares very openly about how much he didn't want to be marginalized and mistreated by people for simply being who he is and how he continues to resolve the pain of being rejected by Christians. Mike's Flip Your Lid Moment: Coming Out How Bethel Church Responded Declobbering The Clobber Passages Relationships Since Coming Out Non-Affirming Friends The Irony of What's Taking Place In The Church The Hot Seat Mike Maeshiro is the founder and CEO of Numa, a spiritual intelligence organization that equips people in theology, spirituality, and faith. Mike is gay, an advocate for the LGBTQ+ community, and a queer theology enthusiast. He is the author of the book #themikeboard and also travels the world teaching on spiritual intelligence, supernatural discernment, queer theology, emotional health, and redemptive deconstruction. Connect with Mike on his website www.mikemaeshiro.com and on IG @mikemaeshiro

Kim had the absolute privilege to sit and speak with K.J. Ramsey. K.J. is a highly skilled counselor who is also the author of many books. Her most recent one is The Lord is My Courage. Kim and K.J. discuss:  Prayer vs. Autonomic Nervous System Dismissive vs. Safe People Chronic pain & Trauma Resiliency & Mentalization Modalities of Therapy & Grounding Techniques  And much more! Basically, it is free therapy! K.J.'s Bio: K.J. Ramsey is a trauma-informed licensed professional counselor and writer whose work offers space to see every part of our souls and stories as sacred. She holds degrees from Covenant College and Denver Seminary and is the author of This Too Shall Last. Her writing has been published in Christianity Today, RELEVANT, The Huffington Post, Health Central, Catalyst, and Fathom Magazine on the integration of theology, psychology, and spiritual formation. She and her husband, Ryan, live near Denver, Colorado. Connect with K.J. online at kjramsey.com and across social media @kjramseywrites.

Kim and Stuart have an informative and humorous conversation about Stuart’s life, trauma, and recovery. Stuart shares openly about how his abandonment may have resulted in his dismissive nature towards women. Today he is intentional about listening to women, including having a podcast dedicated to him being a listener! -Trauma & Beauty of Adoption -Sobriety & Recovery -God as Big Mama -Stuart gets free therapy from Kim -Cults & Churches -Loving everyone, including ourselves Stuart's Bio Stuart Watson is the Founder of VoiceLocket - custom-made films saving the life stories of precious family…while there’s still time. In a television career spanning four decades, Stuart interviewed more than 7,000 people on camera, winning 10 Emmys, three Peabody awards, and a fellowship in journalism at Harvard. He’s written two books, a memoir, and a children’s book, SOFIA LOVES TORTILLAS, and produced 135 continuous weekly episodes for his podcast IN HER WORDS, listening to the stories of strong women who bounce back. Stuart was placed in the foster care system at birth and adopted as an infant. As an investigative reporter, he discovered his biological father died of acute alcoholism. He has 29 years of continuous recovery thanks to a loving God and a host of friends who choose to remain anonymous. Connect with Stuart You can connect with Stuart on FB, IG, and Twitter @ManListening and his website ManListening.com You can also check out his fantastic podcast called: In Her Words

Interviewee: Meg Carber, RD LDN CNSC (she/her) Meg Carber is a Registered Dietitian, but more importantly, she is a compassionate and trauma-informed woman who cares deeply about her profession and all humans. Meg shares her journey of transformation from a cognitive behavioral practitioner to being an embodied recovery practitioner. Meg and Kim discuss: Polyvagal and Eating Disorders Trauma and new ways to view eating disorders Maladaptive behavior and trauma Top Down & Bottom Up Therapeutic Approaches How to not teach our kids how to disconnect from self How to not use food in destructive ways with self and our children Co-regulation and neuroception Defining personal safety Bio: Meg Carber is a sports and eating disorder Dietitian and founder of Nourished + Strong nutrition counseling located in Huntersville, NC. Meg and her team blend a “top down” and “bottom up” approach to help clients reconnect with, understand, and trust their bodies to fuel recovery, health, and sport. Connect with Meg: @megcarberrdn on Instagram, TikTok, Pinterest Website: www.nourished-strong.com

In this episode, Kim interviews the amazing Danté Stewart as they discuss what it means to be Shoutin’ in the Fire, his upcoming book, and so much more. Loss and Grief Learning to Love Yourself Reconciling our Past and Present Effects of Racism on Metal Health Taking Control of The Narrative Grief That Expands Us Injustice and Indifference Assimilation Dismantling The Idea of White Jesus Marginalized Communities Being Free DOG - Discipline, Originality, and Grit Danté Stewart is a minister, essayist, and cultural critic. He is the author of Shoutin’ In The Fire: An American Epistle. Named by Religion News Service as one of “Ten Up-And-Coming Faith Influencers,” his work has appeared on CNN, The New York Times, The Washington Post, ESPN’s The Undefeated, Sojourners, and more. He received his B.A. in Sociology from Clemson University. He is currently studying at the Candler School of Theology at Emory University in Atlanta, Ga. In Shoutin’ in the Fire, Danté Stewart gives breathtaking language to his reckoning with the legacy of white supremacy—both the kind that hangs over our country and the kind that is internalized on a molecular level. Stewart uses his personal experiences as a vehicle to reclaim and reimagine spiritual virtues like rage, resilience, and remembrance—and explores how these virtues might function as a work of love against an unjust, unloving world. You can connect with Danté Stewart on his website https://www.dantecstewart.com/ and on IG @stewartdantec You can purchase Danté Stewart's book here Shoutin’ In The Fire

Thomas Floyd, LPC, and Kim Honeycutt, LCAS, are interviewed by Producer/Director (who just happens to be Kim’s wife) Larissa Miller about spiral dynamics, McLaren’s 4 Stages of Church, and how our view of authority can indicate where we are on our growth path. Brian McLaren’s 4 church stages and spiral dynamics give all of us a barometer to see where we are and where our church of choice may be in our quest to be good leaders and inclusive humans. How big our EGO is can be an excellent resource to measure how big or small we make God. Join in as Thomas, Kim, and Larissa explore and expose their own struggles and progress to being an aware human. You can connect with Thomas on Twitter @thomasfloyd23 and on Tik Tok @heyfam22 And you can connect with Kim Honeycutt on IG and FB @kbhoneycutt and Larissa Miller on IG @larissa.miller Resources: Brian D. McLaren: https://brianmclaren.net/ Spiral Dynamics: https://cac.org/daily-meditations/spiral-dynamics-2015-12-11/

In this episode, Kim and Benjamin talk openly about Roe v. Wade and what we are doing as Christ-followers that is repelling people more than repairing. Be ready to hear how Ben remains authentic instead of fitting in. *Roe v. Wade *The Church *What is Sin? *Jesus and His Sermon on The Mount *People Pleasing and Preoccupied Attachment *The Bible in Our Culture and Benjamin's Favorite Passage - Philippians 2 *Connection to Self and Shame *Rejection, Fear, and Love *The Ego and The Samaritan *Marginalized People and Community *Structures of Control Benjamin Cremer: a Pastor. Wesleyan. Writer. BA in Religion. MA in Spiritual Formation. MA in Theological Studies. Chronic student. Idahoan. You can follow Benjamin on Twitter and IG @Brcremer and can subscribe to his newsletter here: https://benjamin-cremer.ck.page

Join Kim and Larissa as they explore the core fear of each enneagram type and provide spiritual practices to assist each of us in connecting more to our true essence. The Enneagram is a system of personality typing that describes patterns in how people interpret the world and manage their emotions. It is a spiritual rooted system that allows us to see how we interact with ourselves and to identify defensive mechanisms that cause us to subconsciously keep people at a distance.  Kim (8) explains how transpersonal psychology (ego) and the Enneagram work together  How and why Larissa (4) learned about the Enneagram Core fears and spiritual practices for each enneagram number (8, 9, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7) How these spiritual practices can assist each of us in connecting more to our true essence You can connect with Kim Honeycutt on IG and FB @kbhoneycutt and Larissa Miller on IG @larissa.miller Resources mentioned in this podcast episode: The Road Back to You Ian Morgan Cron and Suzanne Stabile Loving What Is: Four Questions That Can Change Your Life by Byron Katie Spiritual Practices and the Enneagram with Rev. Joseph and Suzanne Stabile Typology Podcast - Ian Morgan Cron The Enneagram Journey Podcast - Suzanne Stable

Flip Your Lid podcast is dedicated to exploring different therapeutic modalities. In this episode, Kim has the privilege of interviewing Amanda Ferrat who is an advanced Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) practitioner. EFT is an alternative therapeutic method to treat physical pain and emotional distress. Amanda Ferrat is the founder of Value Yourself Counseling. Amanda took the time to share with us about her personal journey to wellness and how EFT tapping allowed her to sail to a whole new level of emotional health which she now professionally offers to her clients. Kim has been curious about EFT tapping for some time and this interview may be just want you need to satisfy your own curiosity about this amazing modality.  Amanda is the founder of Value Yourself Counseling, a certified Advanced EFT Practitioner, emotional wellness counselor, and international speaker. She works hard to create safer and braver containers for others to break through barriers and limitations to build new thought patterns and beliefs that allow them to embody their inner Badass and obtain emotional freedom.  Amanda has a Bachelor of Science in Family Science from Montana State University. She worked in a variety of mental health and social services settings over her professional career. Amanda pursued a Masters of Social Work from Portland State University. Unfortunately, she experienced a great number of losses in a short span of time and grad school was no longer the right fit. She honored her grief and emotional needs instead and began a deep healing journey. She tried talk therapy, EMDR, hypnosis, grief groups, and much more. Yet EFT unlocked the magic for Amanda. She knew that she not only needed to learn EFT for her own healing and well-being, but that it was what she was meant to do in the world moving forward. Amanda combines her knowledge, lived experience, and professional skills in her practice. Amanda works with anyone who identifies as a woman or is non-binary, and adolescents and teens.

Join Kim Honeycutt as she interviews Kevin Sweeney, host of The Church Needs Therapy podcast and author of "The Making of a Mystic: My Journey with Mushrooms," "My Life as a Pastor," and "Why It's Okay for Everyone to Relax" and "The Joy of Letting Go" as they discuss Ego vs. Self; Translative Spirituality vs. Transformative Spirituality; Cheerleading Preaching vs. Soul Feeding Talks, and so much more.  Quote: ". . . the ego does not need encouragement, it needs a eulogy." KEVIN SWEENEY is co-founder and lead pastor of Imagine Church—an urban church in Honolulu that is welcoming of all people, sees imagination as the key to the future, chooses authenticity over performance, substance over hype, and quality over quantity. He is the host of podcast "The Church Needs Therapy" and is the author of the forthcoming books, "The Making of a Mystic: My Journey with Mushrooms, My Life as a Pastor, and Why It's Okay For Everyone to Relax," out on May 31st, and "The Joy of Letting Go" which will be out in January 2023. Both on Quoir Publishing. He lives In Honolulu with his wife and co-founder of Imagine, Christine, and their two kids, True and Mikayla. You can follow Kevin on IG @kevinsweeney1

Kim had the privilege of interviewing Noelle Toscano about her life in and out of the church as a woman. Noelle boldly explains how she was limited from using her God-given gifts within the church and how she rose above the discrimination. Noelle is the Director of Ezer Rising. Noelle Toscano is an author, speaker, and the Director of Ezer Rising, a nonprofit organization that focuses on women's roles and rights within church, society, and marriage. Noelle lives in Wilmington, Delaware with her husband, four sons, and two parakeets. 

DR. PETE ENNS!!!! Harvard Scholar and all-around good guy, Dr. Pete Enns took the time to share with Kim about his podcast The Bible for Normal People and discuss the Bible through accurate history and the lens of psychology. Narcissism and the structure of the Church Which Biblical person needed therapy For the Love of God For the love of Wordle About Dr. Pete Enns: Dr. Enns is a biblical scholar who teaches and writes on Old Testament, New Testament, Second Temple Judaism, and the intersection of biblical studies and contemporary Christian faith. He has taught extensively at the seminary and doctoral levels (Westminster Theological Seminary, Princeton Theological Seminary, Harvard Divinity School, Fuller Theological Seminary, Lutheran Theological Seminary in Philadelphia, Biblical Theological Seminary) and on the undergraduate level (Temple University and Messiah College). He speaks actively in academic and ecclesiastical venues on topics pertaining to the Bible and Christian faith. He has written or edited over a dozen books and many articles and essays. Dr. Enns resides in Lansdale, PA with his wife Sue, and has three adult children. You can listen to his podcast: The Bible For Normal People, and you can stay connected with him on his website: www.peteenns.com

Dr. Kerri Moseley-Hobbs provides us with intriguing information and insight about More Than a Fraction: From Separation to Reunification. Her research and presentations about Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome and generational trauma. As Founder and Executive Director of the More Than A Fraction Foundation, Dr. Kerri Moseley-Hobbs continues an almost 20-year career in education. This includes work in postsecondary (higher education) policy, regulation, and administration, as well as experiential learning, educational presentation and exposure, and historical research. Along with her extensive work with prestigious projects, she is a research author of a creative non-fiction book “More Than a Fraction: Based on a True Story” and is one of the voices in the history of Africans in America/African Americans of Virginia, the Southeast region, and beyond. Current major projects under the More Than A Fraction Foundation includes work with Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, the Virginia Governor’s Executive Mansion descendants committee, and a case study on the feasibility of reconciliation for the unfinished business of American slavery.  Dr. Moseley-Hobbs holds a doctorate degree in Educational Leadership and three degrees from the University of Maryland: a bachelor’s degree in Criminal Justice, a master’s degree in Interdisciplinary Management, and a master’s degree in Business Administration (MBA). She is a descendant of John Fraction, and his son Thomas Fraction - the subject of her first Creative Nonfiction book “More Than A Fraction: Based on A True Story”. Connect with Dr. Kerri Moseley-Hobbs: www.morethanafraction.org  

Kim and John talk about the difference between rage and anger, grief and self-pity, fear and anxiety, boundaries and limits, and so much more. John Lee is a pioneer in the fields of self-help, anger, codependency, creativity, recovery, relationships, and men’s issues. In the mental health field, he is considered the therapist’s therapist and regularly trains and mentors therapists on how to work with clients and how to work on themselves. He has taught his techniques and theories to thousands of individuals, couples, families, groups, corporations, and therapists all over the world. After 35 years of touring nationally and internationally, bestselling author, John Lee, calls Austin, TX his home.

We flipped the script for this episode of Flip Your Lid. Larissa, Kim's wife, interviews her about being gay, married, and Christian. They discuss what really flipped Kim's lid, how to "rupture and repair" in relationships, how the enneagram helps us understand ourselves and how other people experience the world, and so much more. Resources that are discussed in this episode: Enneagram  "The Road Back to You: An Enneagram Journey to Self-Discovery" by Suzanne Stabile & Ian Morgan Cron Attachment Theory: www.dianepooleheller.com Attached by Dr. Amir Levine Window Of Tolerance: Flip My Lid & Window of Tolerance Dr. Daniel Siegel Imago Relationship Therapy: Dr. Harville Hendrix and Dr. Helen Hunt https://harvilleandhelen.com/ John & Julie Gottman "Bids For Connection": https://www.gottman.com/ Emotional Regression: "Growing Yourself Back Up" by John Lee Kim Honeycutt. MSW, LCSW, CCFC,LCAS:  "But Your Mother Loves You" by Kim Honeycutt icuTalks.org You can connect with Kim Honeycutt on IG and FB @kbhoneycutt and Larissa Miller on IG @larissa.miller

Josh Scott shares his personal story about what inspired him to dig deeper into the Bible and his own belief system to be able to truly love ALL God’s people. Josh is the lead pastor of GracePointe Church, a progressive Christian community in Nashville, TN. 

Shamyra Parker Evans is a motivational speaker, mental health advocate, and self-care enthusiast. She shares in our podcast how toxic relationships tried but were unsuccessful in derailing her ministry of helping others receive love. Shamyra Parker is the Founder and Chief Well-Being Officer (CWO) of Born Boundless International. More importantly, she is just like you. A High-Impact woman. A phenomenal mother. And someone who needs powerful self-care. As a self-care advocate, educator and healing ally who creates safe spaces for Black women and W.O.C. (Women of Color) in High-Impact leadership roles (and that includes women in ministry or CEO's of their homes), Shamyra knows all too well how easy it is for powerful women with competing priorities to allow themselves to be pulled in a million directions. Shamyra comes from a fast-paced, high stress corporate environment, where she managed a territory of three states that often involved overnight travel, all while being a mom of two small children the last 5 years of her corporate career. This was all possible because she was uncompromising in taking care of herself. Self-care not only sustained her. It nourished her. As Shamyra transitioned to having a greater impact, she realized the typical advice that 'the more you do, the more self-care you need' is not a one-size-fits-all solution. When the things that used to work stopped working, Shamyra realized that for High-Impact women only is more not feasible, it simply is NOT enough. Get ready for Shamyra to show you how to cultivate a self-care lifestyle, not just a casual one-off activity. She is a community leader, serving as a Commissioner for the Reimagining America Project: The Truth, Reconciliation, and Atonement Commission of Charlotte, NC (RAP-TRACC) — a project of the George Mason University Center for World Religions, Diplomacy, & Conflict Resolution. Shamyra is also a community partner for SEE HER LEAD, an organization created to meet all girls (grades 5-12) right where they are and prepare them to lead in every area of their lives through ongoing personal development training that can be tapped into in and around life's transitions.

Jason Clark is a pastor, writer, producer, and many more titles. He is also a cisgender, white male who was removed from a church because he had different ideas about the Bible. This is his story about leaving and rediscovering Jesus. Jason Clark is the lead communicator at A Family Story. Jason has written 5 books including, Prone To Love, and, God Is (Not) In Control. He has written and produced films in several genres including documentaries, faith-based discipleship, and entertainment. A natural storyteller, Jason writes and speaks with authenticity. His stories inspire awe and wonder in the goodness of God. Jason’s mission is to reveal that God is love and His love is always good. He and his wife, Karen, live in Charlotte, North Carolina, with their three children.