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Faith Promoting Rumors - Exploring Latter-day Saint Myths and Culture
5 minutes | Jun 3, 2019
Through the Eye of a Needle
TRANSCRIPT: If you’ve read from the New Testament, you may have come across a teaching that is somewhat puzzling. Three of the four Gospels relate what the Lord said after a certain encounter with a wealthy ruler. “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” What a striking image, and one with powerful implications. Is Christ is saying that heaven is populated only with those who in life were poor and destitute? Well, get enough people together in a Sunday School and somebody is bound to give this alternate explanation. Ancient Jerusalem was surrounded by a huge, stone wall with heavy gates. During the day, the gates were left open for merchants and travelers to come and go as they pleased. But at night, they were shut so that marauders couldn’t just storm in and wreak havoc. The only way in or out of the sleeping city was through a certain passageway called the “Needle Gate”. This entrance was small and narrow, much like the tiny hole of a sewing needle, and only allowed for one person to pass at a time. It was theoretically possible to squeeze a camel through the Needle Gate but it would not be easy. One would first have to remove all the baggage and goods from the animal, then coax it to stoop down and crawl through on its knees. Ergo, a rich man still has hope in gaining a mansion in heaven; it just requires him to relinquish his worldly possessions and humble himself before God. There’s just one problem—the Needle Gate is a lie. There is no evidence to suggest that such an entryway existed or that it was ever named after a sewing implement. It seems this whole idea may have been made up so that prosperous Christians could feel better about themselves. Don’t feel bad for believing it though, because this myth has been around for at least 600 years. But centuries of oral tradition aside, there’s no disputing that Jesus was talking about a sewing needle, not some hole in the wall. Now as for the camel, there may be some wiggle room there. Some scholars suggest that there may have been a mistranslation in the early Bible manuscripts, and that a scribe may have accidentally copied down the wrong letter, unwittingly transforming the Greek word “Κάμηλος” (meaning camel) into “Κάμιλος”, an almost identical word meaning cable or hawser, a thick rope used in sailing ships). There are some strong arguments for this ‘ancient typo’ theory. Most of the twelve disciples were fishermen, so it would make sense for Jesus to use a nautical analogy. They would have used this thick kind rope every day and known how hard it would be to try to thread it into a tiny pinhole. Jesus had a knack for hyperbole. He scolded the Pharisees for straining at gnats and swallowing camels; he warned his followers against fixating on the mote in their brother’s eye when there’s a beam in their own. But in these analogies, it’s the scale that’s absurd. A mote and a beam are both chunks of wood. A gnat and a camel were both prohibited to swallow. It’s just that one is commonplace and the other is ludicrously huge. So, threading a needle with a massive sailing rope is a metaphor in keeping with Jesus’ style. Some linguists go even further, positing that the ambiguity doesn’t just lie in Greek, but in the underlying Semitic languages. Arabic, Aramaic and Hebrew all have words that can be translated as either camel or hawser, likely because ropes could be made from camel’s hair. The Qur'an even has a similar passage that is confusing for this reason. Other scholars argue that Jesus really did mean an actual camel. Camels were a common site in Jerusalem and they were the largest living thing around, so it would be a good choice to compare to a well-off tycoon. The Talmud uses a similar analogy of an elephant passing through a needle’s eye to describe something that only could happen in a dream, so the evidence suggests that Jesus may have been adapting a common Persian saying. Camel or Cable—the issue’s unsettled. But either way, the proverb means the same: You can’t fit it through the eye of a needle. But isn’t that the essence of the parable? Going back to the New Testament, we read that the apostles were astonished by what Jesus said. “Who then can be saved?” Christ gives the answer. “With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.” Nobody, rich or poor, can reach heaven by themselves. It’s not that it’s really hard and we have to sacrifice and contort ourselves to get there; it’s that it’s literally impossible and we all depend on the atoning grace of God. So, whoever concocted this ‘hidden gate’ rumor back in the 15th century or before... It seems they focused so much on the eye of the needle, they missed the point.
21 minutes | Feb 5, 2019
The Mystery of Brigham Young's Haunted Hearse
Check out the YouTube channel! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_QnCTLVlJU6TWRx7IA3q4w? SPECIAL THANKS TO: Gary and Céline Rickards of Carriage Driving Essentials for the original photos and personal history - CarriageDrivingEssentials.com Bob Baranick, formerly of Disneyland, for his insight on the hearse's acquisition Tyson Thorpe of the Church History Museum, for aid in researching details of the funeral and procession Dan Anderson of Dad Logic, for his incredible research on the white hearse and pointing me to the Disneyland Line article - DadLogic.net Howard Hickson of the Northeastern Nevada Museum, for his in-depth and compelling history of Doby Doc - gbcnv.edu/howh/ Matt Burch of Burch and Sons Horse Drawn Carriages, for his historical insight on 19th Century Utah hearses - BurchSons.com Curtis Cluff, for his reading of Brigham Young's Last Will and Testament Merilee Blake, for her organ rendition of "Brigham Young's Funeral March" by Joseph J. Daynes Misha Stanley, for providing the voice of Judy Carlos (and also putting up with my obsessive research and editing) TRANSCRIPT: Ahh... Disneyland. “The Happiest Place on Earth”. An entire theme park dedicated to family and wholesome entertainment. It seems like the perfect place for Latter-day Saints. My wife and I honeymooned there and while we were there, we loved to play “Spot the Mormon” (BYU logos are a dead giveaway...). In fact, in the seventies and eighties, if you were a Latter-day Saint, could buy discounted tickets on certain nights at your local meetinghouse. That’s right, Disneyland “Mormon Night” was a thing! As long as you observed LDS standards, you could enjoy all the late-night rides you wanted without the regular crowds filling up the lines. Actually, I don’t mind waiting in line, because Disney’s Imagineers do an excellent job transforming the queues into immersive worlds that set the tone for each attraction. I always liked all the little details that add so much to the experience. Like this for example: Parked right in front of the Haunted Mansion ride is an old-fashioned hearse hitched to an invisible horse. To your average park-goer it might seem like just another fun decoration, but to someone in the know, this ain’t no cheap prop, this is a genuine religious artifact. Apparently, this funeral coach carried the Brigham Young’s body to the grave. At least that’s the rumor—and one that always seems to get spread right there in line. If you were to listen in on people’s conversations just in that section of the waiting area, you wouldn’t have to wait too long before somebody (probably a member) turned to their buddy and said, “Hey did you know that that used to be Brigham Young’s?” “What?” “Yeah, when he died, they carried his coffin in that wagon.” “Wow! Where did you hear that? “I dunno, someone told me that last time I was here.” It certainly looks pretty authentic, like it could’ve been used for an important person’s funeral in the 1800s. And I wouldn’t put it past Disneyland to buy an authentic funeral carriage just to add to the spooky atmosphere. Some of their set pieces are the real thing, like these cannons at Main Street USA Square. Apparently, they’re real 19th century cannons built for the French army. But was this hearse actually used to transport the casket of the prophet? To know for sure, I needed to dig a little deeper than the first page of Google results. I spent weeks tracking down every lead, and consulting every expert I could find until I collected perhaps the most comprehensive timeline of this white wagon ever compiled. Okay, maybe I went a little overboard, but like a funeral hearse, we may be able to finally bring this myth to rest. Are you ready? Let’s get meticulous. PART 1: HISTORY OF THE HEARSE-Y HEARSAY I started my search at the source of the rumor: Disneyland. Back in early 1990, Disney execs like Michael Eisner collaborated with George Lucas on what was going to be a Wild West-themed live show called Young Indiana Jones Adventure Spectacular. I got in contact with one of the Imagineers, theme park genius Bob Baranick, who was responsible for the hearse ending up at Disney. Over email, Bob explained how he was tasked with hunting down authentic-looking set pieces for the stunt show where the hearse was originally supposed to be used on stage. Eventually the project was abandoned in favor of the more ambitious Indiana Jones and the Lost Adventure, and then ultimately the Adventure ride we know today. Since the hearse was no longer needed for the live show, it was stored in one of Disney’s warehouses in Sunland until 1995 when Baranick brought it out again and parked it at the Haunted Mansion. Another designer had the idea to attach a harness to the front to create the illusion of an invisible horse. The coach was finally on display to the public. And to commemorate the event, Baranick invited the man who sold it to him years earlier to come out to Disney for a photo. There was a report about it in Disneyland Line, a newsletter available exclusively to park employees. So, of course I had to get my hands on it. I suspect that it was this publication that brought the Brigham Young rumor to light. The magazine has little stories from behind the scenes at Disney, and in the January 26, 1996 issue, we read about Bob Baranick purchasing the hearse from one Dale Rickards of Malibu. Rickards collected Western memorabilia for Hollywood movie sets. He had had the hearse in his possession for 18 years. Dale has since passed away, but I got to speak to his son. My name is Gary and my father was Dale. My wife and I, we sell carriages and we sell harness and whips and everything that goes with a person who wants to drive a carriage, either a single horse, or two horses, or four horses for that matter. Gary is something of an expert on carriages, and he remembers this one well. Someplace there’s a picture of me sitting up on the driver's seat of the hearse, ‘cause Dad was going to put it on a trailer and he took it in a parade in Thousand Oaks, California. I was sitting up there. We had a big fiberglass horse in front of it. ‖ The actual hearse was in really good shape. It was sturdy, it was strong. ‖ This particular carriage did not have lamps on it (they put lamps on it at Disney). There was a trap door in it. I don’t know what that was for and it was in the middle of the carriage on the floor. The glass was all original glass. You could tell from the waviness of it. It was in very, very good shape. Other than the wood being extremely dry, there was quite a bit of cracking where they glued some of the carvings together. The inside... the material that was on the ceiling was ripped and it was starting to come off. The doors closed. The wheels were good. There was not a maker’s name on it. We could not find a plaque of any kind. Usually they were quite small and brass and barely tacked on but my dad and I did some sanding and put some filler in some of the really bad areas that were cracking and we never ran across a name plate of any kind, so I really don’t know who the manufacturer was. ‖ I asked Gary if he thought it were at least possible that the hearse was old enough to have been used at Brigham’s funeral. Yes I do... It certainly could’ve been around that era. It was not unusual-- it’s still not unusual really to find carriages that are that old even today. Usually the wheels are all bowed and broke but it’s not unusual to find them. I can tell you something funny that happened with dad with the carriage. Dad had it and he opened the back door and (I’m gonna make a sound) and he heard *BAAAAAIIIII! And it just scared the piddle out of him... a chicken had gotten in there and was nesting on her eggs. And Dad opened it and scared it and that’s when she made that noise. My dad just knew a ghost was gonna get him! PART 2: GHOST TOWN GRIFTER Gary then told me about where he and his dad got the hearse. In 1972, Dale heard about a collector in Vegas who was selling antique horse-drawn vehicles. My dad being interested in carriages at the time... he said, “Do you want to go to Vegas and look at carriages?” and I said, “Okay!” and so off we went! The guy in Las Vegas was a fella named Robert F. Caudill. He was an old man, a short man... When he met us it was so funny, he came out in his long- his red, faded long johns and cowboy boots and a six gun and he had really thick glasses. Robert Caudill, known by all as “Doby Doc” was one of Nevada’s most distinctive figures. While he didn’t leave much of a paper trail, Doby Doc left an impression on everyone he associated with. He was a self-made millionaire from Elko, although much of his fortune was earned through questionable means. He was a good friend of the famous mob boss and expert gambler Benny Binion, and helped establish the second casino in Las Vegas, The Last Frontier. Part of the gambling hall’s appeal was its Village, basically a re-creation of a genuine Old West square, complete with authentic ghost town buildings, and all kinds of antique trains and wagons (including one familiar white funeral coach). Where did Doc get all this stuff? Well, that’s the story. Those who knew him best remembered him as a bit of a kleptomaniac with a knack for “procuring” just about anything he thought might be valuable. "Gawd helps those who help themselves." - he would say. He once claimed to have bought an entire Joss House, or Chinese temple that he somehow moved from Elko, Nevada to his own little town at the casino. When asked for the bill of sale, he responded, “It was a verbal agreement.” Doc spent decades looting unattended properties throughout the West until he had curated a veritable museum of old-timey clothing, furniture, books, and vehicles, many of which had mysteriously disappeared in the dea
13 minutes | Jan 8, 2019
The Night the Temple Caught Fire
To members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, temples are sacred—the most sacred places we have on earth. Because some of our holiest ordinances take place in these buildings, Latter-day Saints revere them and most would be devastated at the thought of one of them up in flames. And unfortunately, that’s happened. Thankfully only twice has a temple actually been destroyed by fire, though there have been a few other close calls over the years. But you may have heard the tale of a temple that was consumed in a spiritual fire— so that if you were to look at it, you’d swear the building was burning down, but the flames are actually a miraculous vision from heaven. Growing up near Saint Louis, Missouri, I’ve heard this particular story quite a bit in casual conversation, in Sunday School, even shared over the pulpit. There are a few different versions of the story, but this is my favorite: It was the night of June 1, 1997—the first of several dedication sessions at the newly finished Saint Louis Missouri temple. A dedicatory prayer had been given, the ritual of Hosanna Shout was conducted, and as is tradition, a choir began to sing the hymn The Spirit of God. Now the temple sits right alongside a major highway with trucks and cars speeding past it every second. A traveler would be pretty hard-pressed to miss this towering white church with a golden statue on top, especially since it was so well-lit against the evening sky. In fact, it looked like it was shining, it was gleaming, it was... wait a minute, was it actually on fire? At the very moment that the choir sang “The Spirit of God Like a Fire is Burning” The roof was set ablaze, burning hot with yellow tongues of flame lapping up against the spire. At least one passerby on the highway was shocked enough to call the fire department. Several firetrucks were dispatched and with lights flashing and sirens wailing, they rushed to the scene and roared to a halt right at the front entrance. Just as the first responders were about to storm in, they were met by a gentle old man at the door. President Gordon B. Hinckley (who was there for the dedication) coolly raised his hands and explained that this was no real fire; it was a spiritual flame, the power of God descending upon His house, and that there was no real need for fear. And then, with a twinkle in his eye, the prophet turned around and strolled back into the burning building. … Anyway, that’s the way I’ve heard it. If you’re from this neck of the woods, you’ve probably heard the tale before, or some variation of it. Sometimes it's the temple president instead of the prophet or the 911 call was made from an old car phone... little details like that—I've even heard people claim that it was some other temple instead of Saint Louis, but the core ideas of the narrative always seem to stay the same. And this isn’t the first time something that like this has happened. There are at least two other similar events recorded in Church History: one in Kirtland, and one in Nauvoo. You may have heard that in 1836 when the Kirkland Temple was dedicated, there were all kinds of miracles, both inside and out. People speaking in tongues and prophesying, and visions and angels descending from heaven. There are journal entries describing some of the most glorious events in Church History. And when the townspeople heard what was described as “the sound of rushing wind” coming from inside the temple, they gathered around and saw a “bright light like a pillar of fire resting upon the temple”. This lasted well into the night. It may be interesting to note that W.W. Phelps wrote the hymn The Spirit of God specifically to be sung that day. Now as for Nauvoo, we already know that the original Nauvoo temple has had its share of fire damage—like real fire damage, once, during its construction when an overheated stove pipe set the roof ablaze and then of course when the whole building was burned down by arsonists in 1848. But I’m not talking about those events. I’m talking about the night a few weeks after that stovepipe fire when the Temple was once again seen going up in flames but this time it was different: 16 March 1846 “...last night Chester Loveland was called out of bed by his mother-in-law stating that the Temple was again on fire. He dressed as quick as lightning and ran out of doors and saw the Temple all in a blaze. He studied a few seconds, and as it did not appear to consume any, and as there was no others running, he was satisfied it was the glory of God, and again went to bed. Another brother saw the belfry all on a fire at a 1⁄4 to 10. He ran as hard as he could but when he came to the Temple he found all dark and secure... Thus was the Spirit, power and glory to God manifest.” And in the scriptures, we can find even more accounts of sacred places being filled with glorious bursts of light or flames that don’t seem to actually burn anything up. So there’s some precedent in the Church’s first two temples, but did something like this actually happen again in 1997? Surely, something happened. It’s rare for this sort of hearsay to get spread without some seed of truth. I’ve scoured all the chatrooms and the blogs and everybody seems to have their own opinion on the matter, but I’m after the facts, so I needed to talk to this man: Is that good? You gotta balance it or anything? You will edit all this and take out all the...? I found perhaps the most qualified person on Earth to talk about the Saint Louis Temple fire. Because of his profession, we’ve agreed not to mention his full name. Well, I mean I can say name is Lon and I was a part of the first maintenance crew of the Saint Louis Temple. Lon has had a career as a high-level engineer at a few different temples including Saint Louis, and he still works for the Church in building operations—so, plumbing, electricity... that sort of thing. I was there that night. I let Lon tell the story from his unique insider perspective. So I was standing right next to the security supervisor at the time. He got a call from the people that were helping run the open house and dedication stating that the fire department was at the temple gates—not the front entrance but the gates—and that someone had reported that the Saint Louis temple had flames coming out the top. The supervisor and I of course wanted to verify that. We stepped out of the service entrance and we looked at the building from the high‐ way side and saw nothing that would substantiate flames and fire. So I called an associate of mine and said, “Hey let’s go check out the roof and the mechanical rooms and see what we can verify or not.” So we walked through the mechanical areas, we went up through the roof hatch, up onto the roof and saw no flames. So you actually went onto the roof? Yes! We went on the roof and verified no flames. But, on the way down, we did pass through some of the areas of the Temple and did verify that the hymn “Spirit of God like a Fire is Burning” was being practiced by one of the choirs. And uh... I don’t know... there could be a connection there if you wanna make one. I don’t know. Now, Lon, is there any kind of practical, non-spiritual way to explain this? Maybe the lighting or something looked like fire? That could be. Now, the cooling towers for the chillers are located on the west side between the highway and the building and at certain times if their fans were at high speed, you could get quite a mist that would blow up into the air, oh, as far at forty feet even. And the highway being down a little lower and the way the lights shine, you could maybe perceive that... well, it would appear like a fire. I later looked at the historical records for that night’s weather conditions. It was pretty warm and muggy (just visit Missouri in June and you’ll know what I mean) and these were brand-new air conditioning systems. They were working very hard to keep the building cool. Now, I’m not an engineer or a meteorologist so maybe I’m wrong about this, but I think it’s at least conceivable that the conditions were just right for a plume of mist or steam to come up out of those cooling towers and obscure the view of the temple from the highway, and you know those lights have a slight amber-ish tone... So, to somebody speeding by on the highway, out of the corner of their eye... maybe they could’ve mistaken that for flames. Lon went on to confirm that it was indeed a driver on the highway made the emergency call and yes, a firetruck did show up on the scene in response to that call, but it didn’t go past the front gate, which it pretty far from the building itself. But as we kept talking, he dropped this little detail on me: Now, I don’t know if this is news, but there was a second call and interestingly enough, the first call was the first day of dedication, the second call was the last day of dedication. I pieced that together in my mind, just thinking “oh, okay”. By then, the response from the fire department was quite a bit different. It was more I think just a phone call instead of showing up. Then we were wondering: Okay, why is this happening? And we were looking at the cooling towers as a potential theory. To me, it was interesting that it was the first and last day. Was there something there at that dedication? Yes. It definitely seemed like a fire to at least two people driving by on separate occasions. It was convincing enough for them to want to call the authorities and put it out. Now, was there a huge scene with dozens of firetrucks and the prophet showing up at the door just to baffle the firefighters? Certainly not. There were no news reports about the incident. By all accounts, the firetruck showing up was only a precaution. Matter of fact, just as I’m finishing up this video, I got a message from my brother Ben, who was recently employed as a groundskeeper at the Saint Lo
18 minutes | Sep 25, 2017
Current Events: Caffeine and the Printer's Manuscript
An impromptu evening in Provo, Utah where Bill and John stroll the Campus of BYU and discuss some important Church News. If you have an idea for a spooky Halloween-type episode, email us at FPRpodcast@gmail.com. We may use you idea for an episode! FaithPromotingRumors.com
28 minutes | Sep 18, 2017
But Where are Your Horns?
Bill and John tackle another persistent myth: Do people really think that Mormons have horns? Where did this idea even come from, what does it imply, and what can we do to stop this rumor?
15 minutes | Sep 11, 2017
John takes on a myth that cropped up sixteen years ago, one that surrounds that tragic events in New York City on September 11, 2001.
17 minutes | Aug 28, 2017
Are you hungry? John sure is. He endeavors to create the most clichéd Mormon meal he can make. Join him and his family to learn about and enjoy traditional latter-day dishes. FaithPromotingRumors.com
24 minutes | Aug 21, 2017
John and Bill have been thinking about eclipses lately. What did the early prophets think about the moon and the sun? Did Joseph and Brigham believe in men on the moon? FaithPromotingRumors.com
29 minutes | Aug 14, 2017
Is This the Place?
John and Bill take a field trip to the mouth of Emigration Canyon, to the very spot where Brigham Young first laid eyes on the Great Salt Lake Valley and proclaimed, “This is the Place!” … or did he? FaithPromotingRumors.com
27 minutes | Aug 7, 2017
A handful of various Mormon myths about round jewelry. Was WWJD just a rip-off of CTR? What is the Church’s actual stance on earrings? What is a prairie diamond, and what eternal principle should we learn from Joseph Smith’s personal jewelry? FaithPromotingRumors.com
26 minutes | Jul 10, 2017
Gull Darn It!
Were the early Saints' crops really spared from a ravenous swarm of crickets by an even more ravenous flock of birds? Bill and John investigate this and other avian miracles. FaithPromotingRumors.com
23 minutes | Jul 3, 2017
Is there a connection between Latter-day Saint doctrine and the Declaration of Independence? John and Bill seek the truth surrounding the Mormon view of the framers of the United States government.
27 minutes | Jun 26, 2017
Amateur historians Bill and John take another look at that fateful summer day in 1844, this time focusing on the events after Joseph Smith was assassinated. They dig up a couple of lesser known but historically decisive rumors about the mob that did the deed.
23 minutes | Jun 19, 2017
Missionaries Can't Swim
Missionary rules don't allow our elders or sisters to go swimming. Could the reason be because some dark power rules over the water? John and Bill wade through the evidence to find out.
26 minutes | Jun 12, 2017
Translating the Book of Mormon: An Introduction
John and Bill begin their ongoing investigation of the methods Joseph Smith used to bring forth the Book of Mormon from the text of the golden plates. They'll discuss the Urim and Thummim, seer stones, and other divining practices.
21 minutes | May 29, 2017
Bill and his son John meet again to discuss another LDS custom– using the right hand. Is it wrong to take the sacrament with the left? What about in blessings or sustaining church leaders?
27 minutes | May 22, 2017
Eat Meat Sparingly
Bill and John return to continue their conversation about the intricacies of the Word of Wisdom. They discuss the Church's stance on tobacco, meat consumption, illicit drugs, and the Lord's promised blessings for obedience to this law.
28 minutes | May 15, 2017
John and Bill tackle another tenant of the Word of Wisdom: Alcohol. How have prophets ancient and modern treated liquor, and how should we Latter-day Saints interpret God's word on the subject? FaithPromotingRumors.com
27 minutes | May 1, 2017
Bill and John talk about beards! Should Latter-day Saint leaders sport facial hair? When and why did prophets make the clean-shaven look the Mormon standard?
26 minutes | Apr 24, 2017
Are We Mormons or Not?
John and Bill browse the history of the Church and study the age-old debate: Should we Latter-day Saints call ourselves Mormons? Audio Credits: "The Church of Jesus Christ", by Janice Kapp Perry, played on violin by Misha Stanley Audio version of Doctrine and Covenants 115:4, available at lds.org Audio excerpts from the April and October 2011 sessions of General Conference, available at lds.org Audio excerpt from Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (1986), by Paramount Pictures "Share a Little Bit of Yourself" TV spot (1985), produced by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Audio excerpts from "Handbook 2: Administering the Church" from the Church's official website lds.org Quotation of George Q. Cannon from the Millennial Star, voiced by Curtis Cluff Audio excerpt from the video "Joseph Smith: Prophet of the Restoration", available on the Mormon Channel, goo.gl/Nebqbo Reenactment from the Hearings Before the Committee on Territories in Regard to the Admission of Utah as a State, 1889; read by Jon McMurray and Cody Simonsen Reenactment of a segment of the Proceedings before the Committee on Privileges and Elections of the United States Senate on the Matter of the Protests Against the Right of Hon. Reed Smoot, a Senator from the State of Utah, to Hold His Seat, 1906; read by Jon McMurray and Cody Simonsen "Mormons" (parody of "Royals" by Lorde), performed by the Fishers 1st Ward Young Women, recorded by Thomas Wyninger FaithPromotingRumors.com
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