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PMI Chair Jennifer Tharp joins me for this episode of the podcast from Venice, Italy where she is making the most of being a remote worker . During our conversation, we cover a wide range of topics including: - What is the best movie about project management - What fictional character best represents your inner project manager - Has the profession of Project Management at an inflection point - What you need to do in order to stay current and relevant as our profession evolves - How to find ways to keep finding things to keep yourself excited and interested about working in this field - The importance of play in work - How to come up with ideas for a presentation to give at a conference - Why you might not want to work in the field you are most passionate about - How to make the most of being a remote worker - Finding joy in the work you do Contacting Jennifer Tharp Web: http://www.mastodonconsulting.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tharpo/ PMI Profile: https://bit.ly/40eof0j

The Future of Project Management This episode features Howard Sublett as we discuss where Project Management and Agile are headed in the future. Howard is the former CEO of the Scrum Alliance. He’s been working in the space for years and has been doing consulting work since leaving SA. During the conversation we explore how the agile transformation space has been changing, some of the issues organizations are having with agile coaching, and where things are headed with the intersection of agile and traditional project management. Habitat for Humanity During the interview, Howard mentions his volunteer work for Habitat for Humanity. If you are interested in learning more about it: https://secure.habitat.org/ Contacting Howard LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/howardsublett/ Email: howardsublett@gmail.com

There is a massive difference between being a group of people who work together and being a high-performing team. It doesn’t matter if you are working in an agile organization or one that is more traditional, a group of people who share an understanding of how they work, why they work, and how they can show up and support one another every day are going to achieve greater things than those who lack that understanding. If this is something your team is struggling to develop, this podcast will provide a case study of how you and the people you work with can begin to develop the type of connection they need to rise and thrive together. In this podcast, Erich Hahn joins me to talk through the experience he and his team had in working through the Modus Right Environment Exercises (REE). Erich and have both been through the Modus Institute’s Lean Agile Visual Management program where we went through Modus Right Environment Exercises with teams and saw firsthand how they transform the way people form as a team. Whether you are starting up with a new team, or are working on one that has become a bit stuck, these tools will deeply impact how you engage with one another. One note, before you watch or listen to the podcast, the names of these tools will be familiar, but they are not the same ones you’ve used in the past. As you’ll see in the interview, Modus Institute uses these tools in a unique way that provides layers of insight that you would not gain otherwise. This podcast was originally recorded in video. You can find the video version here: https://youtu.be/Pp7BXnjZMh0 To Learn More About Modus Right Environment Exercises and Lean Agile Visual Management: Modus Institute: https://www.modusinstitute.com The Collaboration Equation: https://www.collaboration-equation.com Free Modus Public Forum: https://bit.ly/3JfzgbL If you’d like to contact Erich with follow-up questions: LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/3ybPgFp Email: erichch@comcast.net

PMI Fellow Ricardo Vargas joins me in this episode of the podcast to talk about Artificial Intelligence, Chat GPT, and the Future of Project Management. During our conversation, I got the chance to dig deeper into some of the ideas raised in his recent HBR article "How AI Will Transform Project Management." Whether you are working in a traditional organization or one that has adopted agile, the work of managing work is going to go through some pretty intense changes in the coming years. This interview is guaranteed to give you ideas about how to prepare yourself for the future of project management. If you'd prefer to watch a video version of this interview you can find it here: https://www.projectmanagement.com/blog-post/74024/artificial-intelligence-and-project-management-with-ricardo-vargas You can find the HBR article "How AI Will Transform Project Management" here: https://hbr.org/2023/02/how-ai-will-transform-project-management Contacting Ricardo Web: https://ricardo-vargas.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ricardovargas/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/rvvargas Twitter: https://twitter.com/rvvargas Email: ricardo@ricardo-vargas.com

In “Lead Without Blame: Building Resilient Learning Teams” Diana Larsen and Tricia Broderick present tools, techniques, and strategies you can employ to transform the way you approach leading teams. Throughout the book, they present case studies and examples from their own experiences that showcase the impact you can have by fostering a psychologically safe environment that supports collaborative learning, autonomy, and purpose. In this episode of the podcast, Tricia Broderick joins me to talk about the book, why she and Diana chose to write it, and how this approach can help your high-performing team take the next step towards becoming a resilient collaborative learning team. This interview was originally recorded in video. You can find that version here: bit.ly/3GwO2rg You can find Lead Without Blame here: bit.ly/3wOCdJ7 If you’d like to contact Tricia: Web: https://igniteii.com LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/tricia-broderick Email: tricia.broderick@gmail.com

In this episode, I am joined by a very special guest, Christine Li, for a conversation I have been waiting to record for quite a while now. Backstory I am closing in on 30 years of work in Project Management and for most of that time, I, like many of you, have been talking smack about Frederick Taylor. My opinions were based on the things I learned from others along the way and were (obviously) deeply informed by moving from traditional PM over to Agile. As far as I was concerned, this guy was the birth of work misery. But over the past few years, I’ve started to develop this weird compulsion to stick up for the good bits that came out of his work. I mean, literally, no one working in project management or agile would have a job without this guy. You can also make an argument that without him the United States never would have made it through WWII. Even though I was willing to have Taylor’s back in an argument, there was one thing missing… I had never actually read his work. CUE ALL THE PM SHAME! So I did. I read The Principles of Scientific Management. And, to my shock, not only was it easy to read, but it was fun to read how this guy figured out the things he figured out. Yes, there are a few critical issues with his approach (and they are big issues), but there is a TON of good stuff in there that we all ignore because he’s such an easy target. (And I really want to go back in time and get hired as SPEED BOSS) After reading it, I was at a lunch and happened to mention my newfound Taylor Fanboy-ness and Christine Li showed up like Yoda, deep with the PM history geek. She took me to school and that is where this conversation starts. My hope is that even if you think Frederick Taylor is the Sauron of Project Management, you’ll give this a listen. Maybe it will challenge your understanding of him and his work. Maybe it will (I hope) entice you to read his work. And even if you’ve read his work and can see the good in it, the things Christine shares will level up your understanding as well. I am very grateful to her for making time for this. It was a really fun conversation. For Further Reading The Principles of Scientific Management by Frederick Taylor bit.ly/3H8XtPG Scientific Management; a History and Criticism by Horace Drury https://bit.ly/3QFhEIr Contacting Christine Web: https://www.sparkplugagility.com Email: christine@sparkplugagility.com

A few weeks ago while I was teaching a CSM class, I got a Slack message from Ron Quartel pointing me to a tweet by Ryan Ripley. The tweet said “If you are sitting in a Scrum Training class and the trainer starts teaching Story Points, you should 1. Get up. 2. Demand Your Money Back, and 3. Walk out. You're wasting your time. Here is a link to the tweet: https://bit.ly/3XsfPAP I should mention I was just about to cover Story Points and I used Ryan's tweet in class as part of our conversation. As soon as I saw Ryan's tweet, I DM'd him asking if we could do a podcast about it. I did this because A) I have a lot of respect for Ryan and value his opinion, B) earlier in my career I spent about 4 years fighting against Story Points, C) I do teach them in class because I believe that (used properly) they can be incredibly valuable to a Scrum Team, and D) I love getting into debates on topics I feel strongly about with really smart people who might be able to change my mind So this podcast is Ryan and I talking through his reason for throwing shade on Story Points, my reasons for standing up for them, and the reasons I feel comfortable saying that we are aligned about why Story Points are good AND evil. This podcast was originally recorded in video. If you'd prefer that version you can find it here: https://youtu.be/-ja1oFv5Et0 Contacting Ryan: Web: https://AgileforHumans.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@AgileforHumans Fixing Your Scrum by Ryan Ripley and Todd Miller: https://amzn.to/3Qyjs5S LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanripley/

Derek Huether is back for this episode and we’re focusing on Value Stream Management. Value Stream Mapping is about understanding all the steps from the inception of an idea to putting something valuable in a customer's hands, and using that information to optimize the flow of value through the system. But, within a business, you will have many value streams and we need to understand how best to coordinate those streams to optimize the overall value generated by the company across multiple value streams. If your brain is wired for traditional project management, you could think of this as creating a system that optimizes a portfolio management level view of all the value streams in the org. During the interview, Derek and I explore why Value Stream Management is so important, how it works, the connection to Value Stream Mapping, and how you can get started with it. This podcast was originally recorded as a video. You can find that version here: https://youtu.be/nxGvpnWgoIM Contacting Derek
 Web: www.derekhuether.com
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/derekhuether/
Twitter: twitter.com/derekhuether
Email: derek.huether@gmail.com Derek’s Amazon Page: https://bit.ly/3GPEQQQ

Gil Broza has been a guest on this podcast a number of times in the past. He’s the author of several books that focus on Agile, including The Human Side of Agile and Agile for Non-Software Teams. Gil is a teacher, lecturer, and the founder of 3PVantage. He also helps organizations transform to Agile, and he’s developed a new tool called Square that can be used to assess your value delivery so that you can make an intentional, well-informed choice about which improvements are the right ones to pursue. The tool is simple to use and you can perform an assessment in just a few minutes. During this interview, Gil explains why he created the tool, how it works, and how it can help you take a holistic look at how you handle Product Development so that you can make strategic choices about how and when to improve your ability to deliver value. If you’d like to learn more about Square: https://3pvantage.com/improve-your-value-delivery/ Contacting Gil Web: https://3pvantage.com Email: gil@3pvantage.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/gilbroza LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/gilbroza

So you’ve made the decision that you want to get a job as a Scrum Master. Maybe you’re working on an agile team and want to switch roles, or maybe you’re moving from a field where agile has no presence. If you don’t already have experience working in an environment that has adopted Scrum, then the big question is… how do you land the gig. In this episode, I am joined by my good friend Richard Cheng to talk about how to get started working as a Scrum Master. We both run across a lot of people in our classes that are trying to find a way to transition into the Scrum Master role. We also meet a lot of people who have decided they want to make a career change and feel like being the Scrum Master for a Scrum Team might be a good fit. During the interview Richard and discuss what the role actually entails, some common misconceptions about it, key differences between being a Project Manager and being a Scrum Master, the pros and cons of the job, and ways you can how you get started on the path towards getting your first official job as Scrum Master. There have been a lot of dramatic changes in the technology space lately, and a lot of people have been making a decision to leave their company job and become an independent consultant working in Agile. Richard is a Certified Scrum Trainer and Agile Coach and he recently made this choice and has gone out on his own. Towards the end of the interview, he also shares what led him to make this choice to become an independent consultant and the steps he's taking to establish himself. If you are considering a similar move, his experience working through this transition could provide some valuable insights for you. Contacting Richard Web: https://www.agilityprimesolutions.com Email: richard.cheng@agilityprimesolutions.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/richardcheng/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/richardkcheng

Ok, so you’re a newly minted Certified Scrum Master (or Certified Scrum Product Owner), now what? How do you get started applying what you learned in class? What if the organization you work in is still primarily waterfall? What if you were the one person sent to take a 2-day class so you can transform the rest of the company and teach them to “do agile”? What if you went for the certification as your first step in trying to find your way out of the waterfall and into a healthier way of working? In this episode of the podcast, Jeff Howey joins me to talk about what happens when you get your CSM or CSPO certification, what it means for the newly certified, and what it says to the rest of the world of work. We talk about how to get started using what you learned in class including what to do if your day job doesn’t offer you opportunities to begin experimenting with the things you learned about in Scrum training. If you are having trouble figuring out how to get started, this discussion should give you plenty of ideas and hope as you take the initial steps of putting into practice what you learned in class. If you’d like to contact Jeff Howey. LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/jeffhowey/

Despite the fact that Agile practices have been applied to just about every type of work you can imagine, there is still a pervasive assumption that it is just for software. In the CSM and CSPO classes I teach, people often ask for “real life examples” of how people not working directly on software teams are able to use agile and to what end. This week, Lee Lis, Chief of Staff at OnPay, joins me to talk about exactly that. During the conversation, we discuss ways she has applied agile practices in her role at OnPay to create an environment that fosters an agile mindset and self-managing teams that are empowered to take ownership of their work. We also explore different ways in which Lee has been able to take an empirical approach as a parent of small humans who may not fully grok the idea of self-managing yet. If you are someone who has been struggling to find ways to begin using agile and you don’t have a software project to work on, you should get some great ideas by listening to this episode. Contacting Lee LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/lee-lis-2181942b

In Carol Dwek’s book Mindset, she explains the difference between a Fixed Mindset and a Growth Mindset. Earlier this year, a colleague of mine, Mary Kaufman and I began recording a series of podcasts on the five stages of growth outlined in the book. Unfortunately, Mary moved on to a new gig before we got the fifth stage posted. So, we re-recorded the conversation and it’s going up live here at drunkenpm to help complete the stages. In this conversation, we cover “Success of Others” and explore those with a Fixed mindset tend to view the success of others as a threat and those with a Growth mindset find inspiration from others' success. During the podcast, we both share examples of times when we’ve each reacted to the success of others from the different viewpoints, how we are able to catch ourselves when we end up in a Fixed mindset and what steps we take to move beyond that. Other Episodes in our Growth Mindset Series • Episode 1: Embracing Challenges https://on.soundcloud.com/YrhgJ • Episode 2: Obstacles https://on.soundcloud.com/mz4L6 • Episode 3: Effort https://on.soundcloud.com/iGTDe • Episode 4: Criticism https://on.soundcloud.com/kTL3P Links • Mindset: The New Psychology of Success - by Carol Dweck https://amzn.to/3yYpyn3 • Fixed vs Growth Mindset graphic referenced in the interview (created by Nigel Holmes) https://bit.ly/3vWO1Hh • The Luck Factor by Richard Wiseman https://amzn.to/3sv5qY6 • Tim Kight - Focus 3 (E+R=O) https://focus3.com/the-r-factor/ Contacting Mary • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mary-kaufmann-305b844/ • Email: mary.kaufmann@augustwenty.com

During this interview Zach Stone shares stories about what it has been like to be a remote Scrum Master working with a team based in Ukraine while it was being invaded by Russia. How do you engage with and support a team that is trying to build software in the middle of a war zone? What do you say to management when they want to know if you’ll make the release and you are just trying to figure out if your team members are alive? We also explore other ways that the job of being a Scrum Master has changed as a result of the pandemic. Zach has had to find completely new ways to show up for his teams and he shares some of them during our conversation. This interview is rich with ideas about what it means to be a Scrum Master in a very volatile world. I’m deeply honored that Zach was willing to let me interview him about this topic. Please Listen. Contacting Zach LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stonezach/ Email: zstone@redkiteproject.com

So much has been changing in how we work over the past few years that it can be tough to keep track of everything. There has been an increased focus on product management as companies move from a project-based approach to a product-based approach. Some organizations are still trying to get their feet with agile, while others have decided that their teams no longer need a Scrum Master (very bad idea - IMHO). And more recently, there has been an increased focus on the role of Technical Program Manager. When you check out the job postings for these gigs, you’ll see a bit of variety, but some things they often have in common are that this person should have experience managing projects, programs, and portfolios in a traditional approach; experience working, leading, and coaching Agile teams; experience working as a software developer; and sometimes also experience working in product management. If project managers were superheroes, this would be all of the Avengers in one person. It’s a big ask. In this episode of the podcast, my friend Jeff Howey joins me to talk about what he’s been seeing in market as companies are listing jobs for a Technical Program Manager. We dig into why this has become a thing, whether it is even possible to find all this in one person, how it might impact organizations, and how you can get started filling whatever gaps you may have so that you can maintain the ability to be competitive in the job market. If you’d like to contact Jeff Howey. LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffhowey/

NOTE: This podcast was originally recorded in video. You can find the video version here: https://youtu.be/h6hvltUPGHs Dan Eberle is a film maker AND and Agile Coach. He's been a guest of this podcast a few times in the past, but we've always centered the conversation around his work as an Agile Coach at the New York Times. This time, we're switching things up and Dan has joined me to discuss how agile and lean practices have influenced his practice of filmmaking. Specifically, we focus on the Obeya that Dan and his team utilize as they create films. If the term "Obeya" seems unfamiliar... "Conceptually akin to traditional “war rooms,” an Obeya will contain visually engaging charts and graphs depicting such information as program timing, milestones and progress-to-date and countermeasures to existing technical or scheduling issues." (Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obeya) Whether you are making films, building software, or just trying to help your team get better organized, you'll get a lot of great ideas from this conversation on how to work with your team to design an obeya that will foster greater transparency and collaboration in the work you do. Production Obeya Slideshow - Dan created a slideshow with screen grabs of his Production Obeya and examples of how he and his team visualize their production work. You can access it here: https://bit.ly/InsurgentObeya Contacting Dan LinkedIn: bit.ly/3wGScbC Twitter: bit.ly/3F6dkec

(A video version of this interview can be found here: https://youtu.be/t86MzxadU_k) When a long-standing, traditional organization embarks on Agile Transformation, there can be a lot of things that impede the change. When a lot of those things are happening at once, it can seem even more daunting. The good news is that when that happens, some of the things blocking the change can be addressed fairly easily, but some things will be much harder to change.  In this episode of the podcast, I am joined by my good friend and fellow CST, Chris Li and we talk through some challenges that were sent in by a student of mine. As we walk through the issues we discuss how severe each situation is and how we would each respond to it.  Here are some of the challenges: • PO can’t or won’t prioritize the backlog • Team members are always taking on special side projects in the company • The team is 35 people spread across several time zones - both on and off-shore • Everyone is working on new products and also supporting up to 30 applications • Everyone is expected to be at 100% utilization at all times. • The Sprints are 4-5 weeks long (the size varies depending on the work to be done) • One hour is allocated for Sprint Planning There is obviously a lot to work through here. Chris and I did our best to hit all the points. If you’d like to reach out to Chris directly: Web: https://www.sparkplugagility.com/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/realchrisli LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/realchrisli/ Email: chris@sparkplugagility.com

Many people who are new to an agile way of working struggle to understand how practices like Scrum can be used if you are doing Research and Development. It can also be difficult to see how an agile approach can be applied if you are developing hardware. If you fall into either of those categories, this podcast should help get you sorted on how agile can be used in both R&D and the development of hardware. Michael Grill plays a dual role at Knorr-Bremse in Austria where he serves as both the Product Owner of Agile Practices and as a Product Owner for the research and development of brake magnets. In this interview, Michael shares what led his team to want to try agile, some of the experiences they have had, and things they learned in adopting agile practices for their work developing brake magnets. If you are trying to find your way with implementing Scrum on a team that focuses on hardware, this is an episode you’ll definitely want to check out Links: Scrum Field Book by J.J. Sutherland: https://amzn.to/3pASEoU eXtreme Manufacturing: https://bit.ly/3ClNwMT Wikispeed: https://bit.ly/3pG0iOV Contacting Michael LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-grill Twitter: https://twitter.com/actualMG

This podcast was originally recorded in video. You can find that version here: https://bit.ly/3p8YDB8 This episode of the podcast features an interview that I’m hoping will serve as an example of how collaborating in a distributed model can lead to great things. Malene Jacobsen and Mario Melo both became Certified Scrum Trainers during the 2022 Scrum Gathering in Denver this past spring. The story of how they became Certified Scrum Trainers is the focus of our conversation. During the interview, you’ll hear how they worked together and supported one another while preparing for their in-person TAC panels. They were also part of a larger team of people who committed to work together until each of them had become a Certified Scrum Trainer. Their teamwork demonstrates how being separated by multiple time zones does not have to be a hindrance. If you are working as part of a distributed team or you are working towards becoming a Certified Scrum Trainer, this podcast offers an inspiring story that is chock full of tips to help you succeed with your geographically distributed team. Links from the Podcast: Scrum Alliance Certified Scrum Trainer Info: https://bit.ly/3p9qNfc Scrumchkin: https://scrumchkin.com Malene Jacobsen LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/malenembj/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/MaleneMBJ Mario Melo Web: https://melomario.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melomario/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/melomario

Christine Converse and Ross Beurmann (who host the podcast A Couple of Coaches) join me for a conversation/debate about metrics. During the podcast, we discuss what metrics help create clarity for the team on how well they are performing and what metrics help highlight areas that could be improved. We weigh the pros and cons of standard Scrum metrics, Kanban metrics, and share the ones we each find most valuable. If you are tracking certain metrics simply because Jira (or whatever tool you are using) tracks them, or someone else told you "THIS IS THE WAY," the question to answer is, if you were going to hire a metrics for your team, what job are we hiring the metrics to do? Christine and Ross also interviewed me for their podcast A Couple of Coaches about serving on the Scrum Alliance TAC and what it takes to become a Certified Scrum Trainer. You can check that interview out here: https://soundcloud.com/coupleofcoaches/episode-7-drunkenpm-crossover Sam... Apologies Sam Moore and Stax/Volt fans everywhere for using Sam as the underperforming team member in this discussion. Please listen to more Sam and Dave… it will be good for your soul. https://spoti.fi/3oruBIF Contacting Christine Converse Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christineconverse1/ Contacting Ross Beurmann Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rossbeurmann/ Email: ross@rossbeurmann.com