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Drowning Warriors Podcast
20 minutes | Mar 26, 2020
My Life Decoded When it Comes to The Coronavirus, Water Safety, and Drowning Prevention
Life is being decoded for many people right now. Somebody you know may need a lifesaver thrown out as a lifeline. Mental Health is being tested for so many people right now. For example, water safety advocates who would normally be advocating water safety are finding themselves looking for something to do or a way to communicate their message and programs. Life is by far not normal. But, It may become our new normal as they say! In this episode, I lay out my world as a water safety advocate and a podcast living through a time that we have never seen and I pray we never see again. However, I’m thinking of all of you that really have been hit hard by the events of this world. Join me at DW Nation in for our morning coffee breaks. It’s a great way to get your day started, stay focused and maybe even get back on track. Click here to join our group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/dwnation/ To be part of our morning coffee break call every day at 9 AM EST click the link to register. https://zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_arYtcOUkRIO9kkXUGzh9Sw Join our Facebook Community at https://www.facebook.com/groups/dwnation/ Follow us on our social channels Twitter – https://twitter.com/KelsMarketing Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/richardkauffman/ Facebook – https://www.facebook.com/thekelsgroup/ LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/rick-kauffman/
51 minutes | Mar 19, 2020
A Mother Explains Her Experience between Mommy and Me Swim Lessons vs Infant Swim Lessons
Today’s podcast we are talking with Nicole Nusshag. A Mother Explains Her Experience between Mommy and Me Swim Lessons vs Infant Swim Lessons. She is a mother who started her daughter off in a mommy and me swim lessons and then learned about infant swim. After learning about infant swim lessons and getting her daughter involved and skilled. She moved to Arizona and realized that she still had the need from these lessons and there was nobody around that was able to teach so she took it into her own hand and became an Infant Swim Instructor. Listen to this episode as Nicole a Mother explains the difference between these two types of classes and what you should consider and why? Rick: “There’s a lot more that goes into this, then just say going down to the local YMCA and learning how to swim.” “Nicole: As soon as a child is old enough to roll over on land, they’re old enough to be able to be taught to roll over in the water.” Rick: A Mommy and Me Class – So a 30 minute class on individual instruction with the instructor. How much time was the instructor actually spending with you and your baby? Nicole:One-on-one? Maybe two minutes if that. Rick:So, you’re paying for a 30-minute class and getting two minutes’ worth of instruction. Nicole: But with me, it’s 10 minutes. I’m working the entire time, the child, we’ll be tired after the 10 minutes like they’re done. And there are some kids that, they’re done at say seven or eight minutes, they’re just done and we have to call it. It was a good productive lesson that day, and the reason why the lessons are so short is that they get tired. Rick: Welcome to DW nation, everyone. This is your host, Rick Kauffman with the drowning warrior podcast. We've got a guest here with us today. We're actually going to be talking to an infant swim specialist actually with Aqua babies survival swim school. And this is Nicole Nusshag and she is in Vail or otherwise a suburb of Tucson, Arizona. So if you're familiar with the Tucson, Arizona, that area, I'm sure you're aware of the climate, the type of homes, everything like that. So it's summer, I would say almost all year except for today. Okay. So welcome Nicole and welcome to the drowning warrior podcast here today. Nicole: Thank you. Thanks for having me. I'm happy to be here. Rick: Well, we're happy to have you. And actually we kind of met just kind of live, give a how we met you ran across one of our previous podcasts and then started looking into things and found me on social media and found a couple of our, you found our Facebook community, which is DW nation, which is a private community there. And you've engaged with us in that area. And then we'll you and I jumped on a really nice phone call with your daughter and as your daughter was the leader of that phone conversation, we had a really, really good time and I learned a lot about you and vice versa. So why don't you just take a moment, let our listeners know about a little bit about your background and how and what we're going to get into this survival swimming, you know, a conversation, but how you really got involved in that. Nicole: Okay. Yeah. So, Nicole: I grew up swimming around pools and lakes and rivers. I grew up in Washington state, so there's water all over the place there. And that was just, that was part of our lifestyle was being in the water in the summertime. And when I had my first child in 2015, that's when it really started setting in the dangers of water and children. And I wanted to make sure that, that my child, now, you know, I have more than one now, but, but I wanted to make sure that they were going to be comfortable around the water, be able to swim. And kind of have the same lifestyle that I had, being able to enjoy the water in the hot weather or any time. So I started looking into getting her into swim lessons Nicole: Early on. She was four months old at the time when I, we started our first swim lesson and it was a mommy and me cause at that time that's really all there is available. But while I was pregnant with her, I'd seen a video of a baby who had fallen into the water, off the steps of a pool grabbing for a ball or some kind of a toy and the baby rolled over and floated on her back. So while I really enjoyed this mommy and me class, I did it for about four months. I really enjoyed it, but I knew that she wasn't still safe in the water if she was to fall in, she wasn't going to be able to help herself. We ended up moving from Germany to Alabama. We bought our first house with the pool and I started looking into what, finding an instructor that did these lessons where the child can rollover and float. Nicole: I didn't know what they were called. I just knew that a child was capable of doing it. And surprisingly, I had a really hard time finding what I was looking for. I went and called around to several different people and a lot of them were saying, Oh yeah, once your child is, I think it was four years old, it might be three now. But that once there that age, then they can learn how to swim, but we can't do anything until that age. So it's kind of getting frustrated. And the last place that I went to, there was an infant aquatic certified instructor that was teaching there at, it was actually a local YMC and they said, no, we don't, we don't teach swim lessons for you know, kids as young as your daughter. But there is a guy here that does and his name was Jeffrey Nichols. Nicole: He runs swimming prep in Prattville, Alabama. And so I called him and talk to him and he said, yep, we can definitely get her going. At the time when I talked to him, I think she was about She was about 14 months old at that time. And so yeah, I got her into lessons and every day that went by everything that I was watching her doing, I was just in complete amazement at what she was capable of doing. You know, I knew that she could go under the water and hold her breath cause we were doing that in the mommy and me class. But by day three she was kicking her legs. She was, he would do what we call a front draft and he was like kind of bringing her towards him and she was kicking her legs. And so anyway, it was just, it was an incredible experience and I was just so happy once she was done with her six weeks knowing that she was safe to play in our backyard. Nicole: And I mean she was jumping in and just swimming all over the place. It was crazy that summer we were swimming together. I kept it going with her because Jeffrey had me get in the pool at the end and showed me how I could swim with her to keep working with her and keep her skills going. Fast forward to 2018 we had our second child course. I was going to enroll her into lessons as soon as she was six months old and we ended up getting noticed when she was five months old that we were moving to Arizona. So I immediately started looking in into finding it infant, an infant aquatics instructor in the Tucson area. And to my surprise, there was no instructors for me. It wasn't an option to just say, Oh, you know, there's, there's no instructors. I guess she can't learn like I was even as going as far as, I'll go up to Colorado where infant aquatics is based, where all the instructors go to learn. Nicole: I'll go up to Colorado for six weeks if she needs to learn how to swim. And then I'm like, well, if I'm going to go up there to have her learn, okay, why don't I become an instructor myself? You know, I've kind of already been doing this, working with my oldest daughter for the last, at that point it was about a year. No, it was a year and a half. So that's when I talked to my husband and I said, well maybe this is something I can do. There's obviously a need in Arizona as we know pretty much everybody has a pool and the backyard. Yeah. Where it kind of went to, that's how my story began. Rick: So it's really a personal mission. I mean, yeah, my children are going to learn and I'm going to have to provide that skill myself, so I need to understand how to teach it and then it kind of took off from there. Let's, let's back up a little bit here and I know one of the things you would like to discuss is kind of the difference between infant survival or survival swimming versus say, traditional swim lessons. Let's back up. You started in a mommy and me class and during this period of time, how did you come to the realization after you saw that video? And I know exactly which video you're talking about, it's about a little girl in a yellow dress. I think she's probably right. Does that sound familiar? Nicole: I don't remember what she was wearing. Rick: I believe so. I think that is I, I don't want to say exactly what family, but I believe that's with the family that they're out of West Palm beach felt Florida really involved with yeah, you know, an organization there and everything. So but anyways but I know she was reaching for something and she just toppled in and rolled right over and just like, she was just loved it. I mean like she was floating on her back and just loved it. So you really realize what the mommy and me class a, your child was nowhere even near at that part. What was it that really clicked in your mind? What was your daughter not able to do say versus what you teach now? Say within the first week or two of lessons compared to say a mommy, me Nicole: Rolling over to breathe, even just swimming cause she would get in the mommy and me class, we would have 'em go down a slide and then she would slide directly to me. So she would go under the water and then I would pick her up. So what that mommy and me class, you know now that looking back what that was teaching her, if I fall in the water, somebody is going to be there to get me. So that was kind of, I don't want to say anything bad about mommy and me classes cause I think they're great. Something to do with your child until they are ready to do the survival swimming classes. But in a way it's almost teaching them that if they fall, go into the water in any way, whether it's a follower, it's an intentional thing that somebody is always going to be there to pick them up. Rick: Right. So it could be somewhat maybe a sauce. False. yeah. Let's say that again. False sense of security in a way. If they're, you know, and they don't realize the difference between somebody being in the water catching me and somebody's not. Nicole: Right. Rick: It's just kind of one of those things at that young age. Yeah, I've, you know, that's an interesting point because I've never looked at it that way. You know, I know a lot of people and I totally agree and understand where you're coming from as far as you know, I guess it depends on what the family or the mother, the father, the family wants to get out of the mommy and me class or what their objective is. I believe their objective is for their child to learn about water, understand water, begin to build a respect for the water and learn how to swim. And it probably sounds like with most, and what I hear from a lot of people is a mommy, me classes aren't really focused on, on say, breath control on any type of skill other than just bonding between mommy and the baby and playing in the water. Is that about correct? Nicole: Yeah, and I think that that's great. Like I would do all of that over again in a heartbeat because I loved having that one on one time with her being in the water and kind of being that first person to introduce, you know, kind of the fun that she can have in the water. And I would do that over again. But really for me it was like now she's getting to be closer to a year. It was really, really when she started getting to be mobile. Right? So when we bought this house with a pool, she was 11 months old when we bought it and she was just starting to walk. So that for me, that's when I was like, okay, this mommy and me class isn't, isn't doing it for me anymore. She's getting to be mobile. She's walking, she can, you know, start opening doors and sneak in the back. Nicole: And, and the biggest thing, we all know that children are drawn to water. But the other thing about just human nature in general, so I can be told over and over what to not do something. But I'm just, I have that personality that when I want to do something, I'm going to do it and I'll have to experience that consequences for myself. So I kind of just look at things from that perspective with my own children. And when it comes to water, not only are they drawn to it, but I think when you're constantly telling them with the pool about their, you know, no, don't go near that. No, don't, you know, and you're constantly telling them no, that's like the first thing that they're going to want to do. You know, it's going to increase that curiosity to go to that pool and find out why his mom or dad or whoever telling me to stay away from the pool. So once she started getting to be mobile, I was looking at things from that perspective and it wasn't worth the risk to me. So to think that my layers of protection, if you will, cause there was, there was a back door and then there that went into a closed porch, which had, you had to go through another door to get to the pool. I didn't want to rely on all that because anything can happen. Rick: Yeah. If you tell them no, it does. It creates it. It increases their, you know, awareness of what it is, what it is that they want. We used to, in sales, we used to have what's called pull the carrot back. You pull it, you know, you dangle the carrot out in front of the person. That's kind of the, that's kind of the interest piece. But then all of a sudden once you pull the carrot back, now you're drawing them in closer because you're saying, no, you can't have that. You're actually doing the reverse. You're pulling them in closer. So when you're telling them they can't have the water, can't go in the pool, can't do that, you're really pulling the carrot back because that's what they want. So the more you tell them they can't have something, the more they want something that's, that's kind of a rule of thumb when you're talking sales. I mean, when you're trying to sell a car or starting to sell something, it's, it's, it's an emotional thing. And so I think with the mommy and me, the atmosphere that you just kind of explained, you know, child's coming in, jumping in, mommy's always going to be there to catch me. They've created an atmosphere of something that's really, really fun. And then when you tell your child no you can't, they don't understand. No, I want to go jump in the pool. Nicole: Yeah. Rick: Then how long have you been an infant swim instructor? Nicole: I got certified 10 months ago. Nicole: So may of 2019. Rick: Now that you're an infant swim instructor and you started in Arizona and there was not anybody really around doing what you're doing. How busy are you? Nicole: Last year was my - I'm going into my second year right now. Last year I was actually very happy with the turnout considering I'm new to the area and I didn't know anybody. I was able to teach 32 kids last year from June until October, so in a four month period. So I, you know, I wouldn't say that it's enough to, you know, retire my husband off over anything. But I think it was a great start. And the word of mouth. I did most of my advertising on Facebook and you know just parents sharing with other parents. You know, I definitely anticipate this year being much busier. I have to kind of restricts some of my hours because I do still have a two and four year old. So I have to, you know, still have that balance of making my, my marriage and my family priority. Cause honestly if it wasn't for them I would, I would work, you know, all day, every day to try to teach as many kids as possible. Rick: You, you're also working. If I remember correctly, and correct me if I'm wrong, but you're, you're also working with some families that have experienced like a non-fatal drowning. Is that correct? Now let's go back to the traditional swim school of where these people that that was that their only information they had was saying a traditional swim school. Were they involved in something like that before or were they not and then they learned about you and after they had this experience? I mean what have you learned about the situations? Nicole: Yeah, really sure. Cause he was it was a month before, a month and a half ish before his third birthday. So I'm really not sure if, if the mom actually even had him in swim lessons or not, but I do know that he had older sisters and they would go in the pool together. So I don't know if he was actually in swim lessons, but I do know that he was wearing floaties before as a way of, of swimming. It was after the nonfatal accident. That's when she started doing the moms started doing her research. I don't know exactly what she was searching, but she started searching and then that's when she came across my videos cause I had just started in June, his non-fatal drowning June 3rd actually. And his non-fatal drowning accident was June 11th. And so it was right after that. So it was almost a month after I'd started lessons. And obviously it, it, it took me about two weeks until the [inaudible] I could actually like posts videos of kids that were actually swimming cause it, it took a little bit of time to find something that was good enough to put out there. Right. Because the first couple of weeks is the learning process, but then she saw the videos and she just, she said she just kept watching all the different videos and was just like, I need this. This is what, what I needs to get into. Rick: Right. Well you know, what's you're explaining that parents go through if they, if they're not aware of infant survival or swim, you know, that type of swim lessons and they have not had either a non-fatal or a fatal drowning and not aware of that. I think what a lot of people start searching, what they find is they find out how big this problem really is. That they, you know, there's so many things that they were not aware of and then obviously probably found, you know, your videos, your social media, your, you know, campaigns that you're putting out there about, you know, awareness just, you know, water safety, drowning prevention, information, education. And then that probably prompted her to start searching more. It's a very, very common that parents and families, they start, they do the research after an event. Like this happens instead of doing the research before they don't know. Rick: I mean, I guess if you don't know something, you don't, they don't realize there's this huge, huge community out here. And in some cases that's communities that you don't want to be part of. Like, you know, I'm part of a, my daughter suffered a fatal drowning. And then we have the non-fatal drowning families that have children that are in just, you know, horrendous condition. Some are getting better, some are permanent, whatever the case is, but they live with us every day. And so many of these families tell the same thing. I didn't know, I didn't know until this happened. So from the standpoint of say traditional swim lessons, what's the primary age? When you think swim lessons? I'm thinking, you know, kids are learning how to stroke and swim from side to side, but when you're talking with what you're doing it's really not there. They're not learning to actually strokes or you know, kind of like become the Michael Phelps of the six month old babies, you know? Right. Kind of explained the difference of where you're at with the children that you're working with and in this case most traditional swim schools, unless they have an instructor like you on staff, they can't offer what you do, specialized training and be certified and everything to work with infants. There's a lot more that goes into this. And then just instead of just say going down to the local YMCA and learning how to swim. Nicole: Yeah, I and you know I'm actually really glad that you brought up the special training and I am specialized in what I'm doing. It's not, you know, just going to, I'll just say the red cross cause that's commonly known and you take a weekend class or something. I had to go to six weeks of training and spend eight hours a day in the pool. I had to do studies on the psychology, behavioral and physiology of young children and what they're doing. So to answer your question with what I'm doing I am specialized in this and as soon as a child is old enough to roll over on land, they're old enough to be able to be taught to roll over in the water. They don't have to be talking, you know, it's, it's all I'm showing them what to do in the water and it's a muscle memory that I'm creating for them to know what to do when they do fall in the water of how to roll over on their back. Nicole: And I'm the only instructor, so they're going to have me from day one until the very end. I've heard from other moms that have, you know, initially took their child to a traditional swim school and they with one instructor for like two months and it took two months, let's say to get the child to even hold their breath under water because the rest of the time they were just kind of maybe practice kicking on the wall. Then after that two months, Oh now a new instructor came in and now they're basically starting all over because there was no communication between the first instructor and then the new instructor that came in, they don't know where the other one left off. So now they're starting all over. Nicole: And the parents, the one particular mom that I spoke with, she was just frustrated because she, she sent her young, her two year old son to me and her four year old daughter was the one that went to the traditional swim school and she was saying that her two year old was a better swimmer. Then after six weeks, then her four year old daughter who had been going to swim lessons for three months. I think at that time it was three months. So that's the difference. And what I'm teaching is, is first the survival, being able to roll over on the back to breathe once they're able to walk or run. If they're for couple months, I would say about eight weeks of walking even running, then we can teach them to, they have the coordination at that point to be able to know how to kick so that they can flip over to swim and and get to wherever they need to go in the pool. Rick: I mean, when you talk to traditional swimming lessons, you're saying three months maybe for this one child, but I've heard as many, there's, there's families that started with a mommy and me class at two years of age and the child is four years old and still can't put their face in the water. Nicole: Oh yeah. Two months for a breadth, for just putting their face in the water is what I say. So not two months for swimming. I actually, last year I taught a two year old boy. That's a perfect example because his mom got was in mommy and me at four months old with him until he came to me at two and a half. She was kind of on and off during those years. So it wasn't, it wasn't the entire time, but it was kind of on and off. He came to me and he was doing everything. He was swimming across my pool within on his seventh lesson. Each lesson is 10 minutes. Yes. So that's 70 minutes. So that's a little over an hour spent in the water with him. And he was swimming across the pool. So the mommy and me class was helping. It was good, you know, cause he, he was definitely, he already had that breath control because mom had been working with them. He was comfortable in the water. He just hadn't been shown how to actually swim at that point. Right. So it was just a matter of seven lessons for him and he got it just like that. Rick: Would you say if somebody in a mommy and me class, and then let's say they just are just started this, you know, winter or spring and they're looking at maybe getting involved with them, having that little bit of experience in that and the child in the water, does that lessen the fear with the child? I mean, do they I'm, I'm sure it probably depends on the child really. But because every child is going to be different. But if somebody is in a mommy me class right now and they're listening to this podcast and then they go out and find it, infants swim instructor like yourself or come to your would you say that probably the child may not, they'll be a little more comfortable in the water in the beginning or is there a difference? I'm sure it's probably depends on the child. Every child is probably going to be different. Nicole: Yeah, of course. Every child is different. I actually don't know that there really would be a difference because I still think that they're, they're going to have that apprehension. I, I don't want to say that they're fearful of the water. They're unfamiliar with the water. They don't understand what's going on. Number one, I'm a stranger. They don't know who I am and now mom or dad or whoever's handing them over to me. And so then there's that. And then the next thing is the first day we're working on birth control. The first day we're putting our face in the water. I'm not giving them an option to say, okay, do you want to put your face in the water today? Cause if I asked every child that they would all say no, no, and then we wouldn't learn anything. So so then of course they get upset because now their faces in the water and you know, we're working on that birth control. Nicole: It might be helpful I think if you're doing it for a longer period of time and, because that's the hardest part I think for, for a lot of kids is just putting their face in the water. With my daughter. She was kind of easy going anyways, so it's hard to really compare her to, you know, how other kids would respond. She did cry. I mean she cried for probably the first three weeks. And let me tell you what, she got mad at times. I mean she would, she got the maddest when he was teaching her to float. She did not like that at all. And I remember her just like kinda reaching over and like trying to hit him in the face to be like, knock it off, you know? But for me as a mom watching that, yes, she was crying and she was mad and she didn't want to do it. Nicole: But as a mom watching that, I knew what the end result was going to be and I knew in the end she was going to know what to do in the event of an aquatic accident. That to me was more important than her being mad in that moment. Right. That's kind of part of parenting. You know, there's things that are out there that we want to protect, protect our children from and we got, we have to do what we have to do. We can't always be their best friend and give, if we gave them the option of what they wanted to do, they would just probably eat candy all day and watch TV if we had to be their best friend and never tell them no to anything. Right. I know that kinda got a little off track. I would say the mommy and me classes will help with the water familiarization in regards to if it's going to help them not be as upset in the water during lessons, probably not. Because if it's so unfamiliar and I'm a stranger. Rick: Right. And there's a big difference between the mommy and me classes I think because probably what the, what you're saying it at least what the objective with the classes. You know, you brought up an interesting point though here. When you are talking about the mommy me classes and the swim instructors and you being in the water versus say working with you, what was the ratio in the mommy me class and say traditional may be going into tourist traditional swims schools. Were you the only mommy and baby in there with the instructor or are there usually multiple people? Nicole: Oh no, there's multiple people. The class that I was in, I think there was about eight to 10 of us in there with our kids. Rick: And how long was it? How long was a mommy me class or lesson? Nicole: So I was in Germany at the time. It's, I think it's different here in the States, but at the time it was an eight week increments. So we would go for, and I did two sessions. Rick: When you were in the pool, how long were you in the pool with the instructor? With the other people? Nicole: Yeah, it was a, it was a 30 minute class. Rick: So a 30 minute class on individual instruction with the instructor. How much time was the instructor actually spending with you and your baby Nicole: One-On-One? Maybe two minutes if that. Rick: So, so you're paying for a 30 minute class and getting two minutes worth of instruction. Yeah, really. And everything else is kind of like sit there. Let's put, let's flash, let's make bubbles and let's play. And so it's really, you know, 28 minutes of play time, two minutes of instruction. Now let's cross over and let's look at the difference between a class with you. It's just you and the baby, correct? Nicole: Yes. Rick: So it's one-on-one. And how much time do is one, how long does your lesson with that baby or the child last in the pool with you? Nicole: So for kids that are foreign under well actually, so you three and under, once they're four it's longer. So the younger kids, it's 10 minutes that they're in the water. And I know that that was, I remember when I first initially talked to Jeffrey, he said the price is this and the lessons are 10 minutes, four days a week, Monday through Thursday. And I Said I was like, wait a minute, 10 minutes. What, what are you going to learn in 10 minutes? All that we are familiar with is the traditional way, which is half an hour to 45 minutes in the water. And you know, that's, that's where the production is, is the time in the water. But with me, it's 10 minutes. I'm working the entire time, the child, we'll be tired after the 10 minutes like they're done. And there's some kids that, that they're done at say it's seven or eight minutes, they're just done and we have to call it. It was a good productive lesson that day because the thing is, and the reason why the lessons are so short is because they get tired. And once that fatigue sense and then the learning process is over. So we could still sit in there for another 20 minutes and they can be upset, but they're not going to be learning anything because they're tired. Rick: So they may have eight to 10 minutes in the water with you. But that's pretty intensive instruction during that period of time versus say two minutes of an instructor kind of showing you something in the water. And then leaving it up to the mommy to really teach the child to do something well of, which probably is a big difference why somebody spends four to six weeks with you and they're able to have a skill that could save their life. It's been four to six weeks in a money meet class. Mm. Maybe, you know, not be able to put their face in the water yet. When we look at something, say traditional and with, while you do that is a big, I mean that's a huge difference I would say between, you know, if somebody on the fence of saying, okay, do I do this or do I do this? Rick: Forget the money or forget. I mean I know there's people that say it's traumatizing to the child. Let me, if you're listening to this thing and I don't want to hear my baby cry, babies cry for all kinds of reasons. And they cry because that's the only way that they have to communicate what they want. You know, if they could say some four choice, four letter words, they would say that, but they can't. So they just, they just scream and cry and kick and do what they know to do. Just like they cry and scream and carry on when they're hungry. And then I think as a mother you begin to learn what the different cries. You know, they, they kind of are a little different. But let me say as a father and as a parent who lost a three year old daughter too, an event eight feet in front of a lifeguard, that I would much rather listen to my daughter cry for five, eight minutes for maybe a w you know, the first half dozen or dozen lessons, if it would even last that long, then have to go to her funeral. Rick: Absolutely. Yeah. There's a trade off there. You know, what are, you know, what's the price that you want to pay? And as far as the money is concerned, I always tell people, you know, I have a story where I bought a Kirby vacuum cleaner, didn't want one. They showed it to me and said, do you want your baby? And this time I wet my ex wife, she was pregnant and said, you want your baby crawling on this dirt? No. So he walked out with, I financed the Kirby 1700 Kirby vacuum clearance. 35% interest. Just so my daughter wouldn't call on dirt. Here we are talking about teaching your daughter, your son, the ability, a skill that will stay with them the rest of their life. Nicole: Yes. Rick: And when you talk survival swimming, it's not strictly for babies. It is for adults. I mean you get in trouble in the water. Every, every instructor teaches rollover on your back and float. Nicole: Yes. Rick: That is a position where you can re, cause you can't tread water. All your, you know, for 24 hours a day, if you, if you're out in the Lake and the boat sinks, you could tread water for awhile, swim for a while, but you've got to find that time to rest, get your breath. And so they teach roll over on your back and float. So you're teaching them a life skill. Something that will be with them all their life versus buying a Kirby vacuum cleaner that just keeps my daughter off dirt. Bye. The end of the day, she's going to be playing in a mud puddle anyway. Nicole: Well, and you know, you're talking about the price and we work with the Colt Catalina foundation who offers scholarships, to pay for half of lessons. You know, for families that are in need. If there is a need, there's an option to get help. I actually just recently found out here in Arizona, there's an organization called friends of foster care who will pay a portion of swim lessons for, for foster kids, which I think is absolutely amazing because these foster parents, they're not making a ton of money by being foster parents. They're having to, they're wanting to give these kids a quality life. And I think that this friends of foster care organization is doing an awesome thing because they're helping these foster parents pay for, you know, other, yeah. Sports and things that the kids can do. Recreational stuff where field trips, and this is what she told me though, which was so impressive to me. She said, swimming is the only activity that we will pay in conjunction with something else. So if somebody wanted to have the child do dancing and softball, they won't pay for those in conjunction with each other, but they will pay for swimming and dancing because they realize the importance of learning to swim and that it is a life saving thing. So for anybody else that's listening, if you are a foster parent and you're in Arizona, reach out to friends of foster care because they're an awesome organization that will pay a portion of Rick: The swim lessons. And I myself, I'm a foster parent and I have two foster children right now. They're both six years old and I was sharing in our Facebook yesterday that matter of fact whereas air it is right here, I have a birthday invitation to a swimming party for a kindergartener. And I know those of you that are listening to the podcast can't see this, but Nicole and I are also shooting. This was on video, but I'll show it Nicole. Then as you can see, it says bring swimsuit. She doesn't know how to swim. This is very upsetting to me. You know, for multiple reasons because even though this child is holding the party could be very well skilled and maybe he's been through, you know, all the classes and you know, learned to float at six months and the odds are the majority of these kids in kindergarten don't have those skills. Rick: Probably less, I would say maybe five to 10% even know how to swim. The rest probably don't. So yeah, that's why it's important to do because you know, you may think I don't have a pool. I don't have, you know, these things. I have no need to teach my child this skill. But where you live at, just about everybody has a pool. So even if you don't have a pool, your child might be invited to a birthday party. They might be invited for a sleepover at a friend's house when they're, you know, maybe first, second, third grade and your child doesn't have these skills. Then your child is at risk and because drowning is the leading cause of unintentional death to children between the ages of one five and between five to 15 years of age, it's the second leading cause. So, so people just don't know, they don't understand those things. And you teach a very valuable skill. As we wrap up here, Nicole, what is the one thing that you could tell a parent if they were on the fence, but say say between a traditional swim lesson and getting started with you and infant survival that would maybe they could implement today. And I'm sure you have a long list of things you could say, but what do you feel would be a really important thing? Nicole: I would say to them, I think you said it perfectly and being a parent, I can say this, but I haven't had anybody that I know actually drowned. But I would say for me as a parent, I would rather listen to my child cry for a total of four hours cause that's really all it takes for me to teach them to swim over the course of six weeks. It's four hours. I would rather listen to them cry. And really what it is is complaining because they don't want to do it. Then find my child in the bottom of a pool and have to go to their funeral. Rick: Right? Nicole: I spent my entire pregnancy worrying about everything you know about miscarrying and you know that everything was going to be okay in the end. And I was thinking as soon as my daughter was born that I could stop worrying. Unfortunately. now there's the dangers of the water and there's the dangerous of, you know, pedophiles and you know, all these other things out there and I can't protect her from everything I get that. But the things that are in my control that I can protect her and teacher to survive and live. Like, for example, I've even recently taught her our address, you know, so if she ever gets lost and somebody asks, where do you live? She at least knows our address. You know, things like that. That's what I would tell a parent and [inaudible] a child is not always going to agree with, you know what it is that you're trying to teach them because they don't understand. But you as a parent, you as a mature adult, you know the end result and what you're doing for your child. So don't let them dictate something that you know is the right thing to do. Rick: If somebody has questions or they want to learn more about you and what you do and the infant survival, you have your own social media, correct? Yes. Now where are, where can people find you on social media? Nicole: I'm on both Facebook and Instagram at Aqua baby survival swim school. Okay. And I have a website. It's water safe, baby.com. Rick: Okay. And we'll also make sure that there's links to all these in our show notes so people will be able to click on that and go straight there. And well Nicole, I'll tell ya, you are doing great work and you are teaching these children. You're very passionate. I can hear it in your voice. Because it's personal to you. And even though you haven't experienced it, you're coming from a place that you know that you could provide a skill to your daughter, your children and other children and the ones that, and the families you're helping two potentially protect against what I refer to as the unthinkable because people don't believe it can happen to them. And so it's an unthinkable. We don't think of it until you know somebody that goes through something like this. You don't think about some lessons, you don't think about. You're, you're involved in everything else about the baby and the child, you know, buying the first baby dress. I, you were talking about something in the beginning and we'll, we'll wrap up here. But as a father, I remember when my daughter was first born, I mean, she wasn't even out of the hospital and yet I was immediately thinking about her going to the prom and wanting to, not the boy out. Rick: And you know, and so it's like, you know, immediately, you know, here I am projecting way in the future of wanting to protect my daughter from everything. And then, you know, before she's even born, I'm wanting to protect her from dirt. And then when she's born now at all, immediately went from, okay, I've got the dirt covered. But that guy that's going to come on and take her to the prom. Yeah, he's got to meet me and my test. And that's kind of the way thinking. And so you're giving them the skills of life and you're giving them the skills to be able to self rescue. And just one last note, you teach them not only in a bathing suit, but you also teach them fully clothed to right? Nicole: Yes, correct. Once they're, once they're fully skilled, the final test for them to be able to quote unquote graduate or received their certificate of completion is we will do, I have them fully clothed and if they're wearing diapers, they put their diapers, tennis shoes, everything. We'll do one day with summer clothes. And then the next day will be with winter clothes. When I was in training, we family that lived by a Lake. So they actually brought their child in a full snow suit, like the snow suit, jacket, boots, everything because they wanted to, you know, make sure that, but the child would know what to do and how that feels, because once they hit the water and the clothing and the diaper all fill up with water, that adds an extra 10 to 15 pounds to the child making it that much more difficult. So it's very important to make sure that they know how that, how that feels. Rick: But if you watch these videos of these babies floating in water, it's almost looks effortlessly. Nicole: Yeah, it really does. Rick: I mean, you know, I myself would have a hard time just in a pair of pants, so, you know, winter, winter clothing and everything else. So Nicole, we really appreciate your time today. I know you're busy. You've got lessons coming up here, so I know you've got to jump back in the pool. So well again, we thank you for your time here today. Nicole: All right. Thank you for having me. Rick: You're welcome. 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50 minutes | Mar 12, 2020
How Can This Happen to so Many Children Brandon Love Shares A Father’s Story
How many of these ladders do we see left in the pool with nobody swimming? We are talking with Brandon Love. He’s a father of Bentley Maverick Love (named after Maverick in the movie Top Gun). Brandon along with so many other parents asks the question of how can this happen to so many children, well Brandon shares a Father’s Story in today’s podcast. Click the play button above to listen to the full story or read our transcript below and go to the section as it is timed stamped to take you right to that part you want to listen to. His son is just like any other little boy, full of life and curious searching for things to do and to get into. Just like so many others, they just don’t know what is dangerous to them. They have no fear and will unlock a door or get out of a house by any means they can to get into the things that they can have fun with all while you are in the house unaware of what they are doing. It happens to all parents at some point in time. However, for the majority of the parent without a devastating accident. A Father’s Story, don’t let Brandon’s story become yours. Listen to what he has to say! You can connect with Brandon via his personal Facebook page here is the link to connect with him https://www.facebook.com/brandough.love Brandon mentions Melanie Brindleyley and her program in this podcast as they have teamed up to work together on water safety and drowning prevention programs in their communities, here is the link to their website and learn more. https://www.swimsafety.org/ Rick (00:00): Welcome everyone. Hey, this is Rick Kauffman your host with the drowning warrior podcast and this is DW nation. We are speaking with Brandon Love. You're gonna want to tune in and listen to this episode because Brandon's going to share with you this involved his son and a Brandon, if I remember correctly. It is. It also involved a nephew or a cousins, a child too. Is that correct? Brandon (00:24): Yes, Sir my nephew. Rick (00:26): What I'd like to do is just welcome Brandon. Brandon, welcome to the show here today. Brandon (00:31): Thank you. Having me Rick (00:32): Telling. Our stories are really, really important. I know many, many of us and I think you're a lot like I am. We want people to understand that our children were just regular everyday children. I mean there really nothing different between you as a parent and your children and all the other families and children that are out there running around today. I mean, would you agree with that assessment, Brandon? Brandon (00:55): Totally. I mean it's not like we have a, Brandon (00:58): when I was set apart from anybody, we're all pretty much the same. Rick (01:02): I know for myself and as parents we never would have believed that, uh, we would be part of this group in this club. So Brandon, why don't you just take a moment here and tell us a little bit about your son, the type of boy he was. Tell us, tell us in your words as much as you would like to let us know, tell us a little bit about what happened. Brandon (01:23): Okay. Well my son's name was Bentley Maverick Love uh, yes, he got his middle name from the movie top gun and it was very, very outgoing. I mean he only lived to be two years old, but I could tell like he would have had just a full life happiness, you know, he cleared any time grandma or his brother or me or anybody was upset. He could tell and he would just give it to latch on to you and he would do it again Brandon (01:54): to at least get you to smile. And then he would start laughing. Where do you want your smile? He was very strong, very athletic. At two years old. He blew me away when we were playing catch with a baseball, throw a baseball, head your hands up and he was going to hit you with him. And he was not afraid to stand up for himself whenever his brother got to picking on him a little-bit Brandon (02:15): and now he was just extremely outgoing and I could, I could see all of this at 10 years old. He had a huge personality. Well the slight difference in our story compared to most is drown in an above ground pool. And any more you hear people talk about the in-ground pools, knowing the fens, netting, neighbors being that close, it's a little bit different. Mean we're staying at a house one night and I had to go to work the next day. Well I woke up and I went to work. Now mind you, there were at least four or five kids in this house cause there were one, two, three adults and like five kids and the kids kind of like had a slumber party one room. So we'll let them Brandon (02:59): all crashed in there and watch cartoons and stuff. And I went up to go to work. Like, all right, there's still two adults here. Everybody's still asleep. Uh, the adult locked the door behind me. So at 5:30 in the morning and I went to work, well at work, about nine o'clock, a strange person came up to me. I've never seen him in my plant before. And he's like, Hey, you need to go home now. Their sons had been involved in the accident and they're unresponsive. He said sons at first, I have two sons and both of my sons were there. So I'm like, Oh crap. I mean, no, I didn't know what was going on. All I knew was I needed to go. So I'd get there and they say they're being taken to Selena Memorial hospital, which is about 30 minutes away. So I get there in about 10 minutes and I go inside there and I talked to them. Brandon (03:55): I'm trying to find my son. And they said, okay, are you Bentley's or are you Jayden's dad? I said, Jayden Jayden's my nephew, my other son was Bryce. So on the way to the other hospital, cause they tell me, Oh, your son's my here. He's at children's hospital in little rock, which is about 15 minutes down the interstate. I made it in about five, but we get there and five minutes I talked to was my step. Um, and I'm wondering and picked up my other son. So he had my other son safe. He was safe in sound. So on the way to the hospital, they had told me that my son was the one who was not responsive. Brandon (04:47): And so I'm, you know, I'm back in the hallway, no four plays budding live. And you know, I'll never thought that's what happened to me. And I, I've seen him on the news all the time. You know, the stuff happening to the kids and different ways. And I said, I don't know. What I would do is I was on of my kids. Brandon (05:04): That's at the time. It was his name, my sons, there Mom was Brandon (05:08): not around. I mean, she is now, that's a completely different story. But it was just me and my kids know that they're all a had. So I didn't know what would happen. I mean, if I lost one, well we get to the hospital and there's COP. Well, in waiting room, you know, nobody was in a big rush. It wasn't like a rushing into here to seem and earnest just calm, collective trying to get us there in this full to throw me off, you know, aren't you trying to rush me so I can see my son or you know, what's going on? Completely. Just clueless. So they get us into the family consult room and that's when I really knew something was up. And then in, in walk, uh, Brandon (05:51): Doctor and walked the nurse and, and walk, uh, the hospital, when you call up for a, you know what the word I'm looking for you, Brandon (06:03): uh, would it be, are we talking like somebody in the clergy, like a Minister or something like that? Yeah, usually they have like a hospital chaplain or something like that. Brandon (06:12): Yep. That's, that's what it is. Yup. All three of them walked in, sat down and my heart sank, you know, but I was still hoping, I'm still hanging on to a little bit. And I said, and I said, Brandon (06:24): we tried everything we could, but your son didn't make it Brandon (06:29): they said that he had passed away before he ever left the scene. Like he's, I said his vitals and everything were done before they even went the scene with them. They, so they tried the whole way but they was done and I just, my entire world changed at that point. Rick (06:48): You know, Brandon, you know, you touched on something here too. That's I think very crucial and uh, I want to just kind of bring up all this because as part of your story very, there's some, there's some similarities, especially when we got to the hospital with our, with our daughter there, there wasn't, it seemed like some of the hospital staff didn't have a whole lot of sense of urgency to get us any to any particular place. What would you say that was kinda your feeling too? Like you got there and it's like you want to, you want to know about your son, like not here five minutes from now. I want to know about him five minutes ago, so let me know what's going on. Did you feel like they were, I don't know. I don't know the right word to put it because I don't want it to come across the wrong way and seemed like there was a sense of urgency. Brandon (07:35): All right. And yes, that is exactly what I felt like. And it's no disrespect to them, you know, cause they're doing their job. They weren't rude, but they were just like, you're even checking in for a normal doctor's visit is what it felt like. Brandon (07:46): Exactly what it felt like. Rick (07:48): And, and you know, for me, to me that was, that seemed totally off, totally wrong. If a child is care flighted or the emergency, something like this, you would think that there would be some sense urgency because for us, they've, they sit they let us sit in a lobby for what seemed to be forever. I'm sure it wasn't that long. The way for somebody to come down off the elevator again, us and that's to me just didn't seem way. It should be. I mean, I just, like you said, we don't mean no disrespect, but sometimes, yeah, you know, they're, they're not in our shoes and I know they'd probably do this multiple times. And I, and I have to imagine that that is a really tough part of their job is to deal with parents in situations like this and they want to make sure that they do it right. Probably at the end of the day, there's probably really no right or wrong way and you can't make 100% of people happy 100% of the time. But, um, our situation Brandon (08:47): I guess, cause no, as a worker it's like gets so involved in every time somebody comes in, you know, where's my kid? Where's my kid that's going to start affecting him to the point that they can't do their job. So they have to just treat it as robotically as possible, I guess you could say where it's just another check in for them so they don't get involved in, let it get the best of them. Rick (09:11): Now when, when this happened and um, let's kind of move the clock forward a little bit and you started hearing about drowning accidents. You started hearing about this. Were you, did you ever really know before they accident? I mean, it's not like we don't understand that pools and water is dangerous. You know, we do, we know these things. But would you say that you were, so there was so many things you were not aware of that and how this problem was much bigger than what you ever really assumed? Brandon (09:43): Oh man. Yeah. I mean, I'm not going to lie. I have no clue. It was this big of a deal. You know, I wish I did before kids, you know, maybe this could have failed preventatives, but I had no idea. Rick (09:56): Yeah, I mean, just so if we have some parents listening to this that may not be aware, it's important to understand. And your child was too, right? Yes sir. Yeah. My daughter was three. Drowning is the leading cause of unintentional death to children between the ages of one and four. We don't say that to scare you. We say that because it happens every single day. Brandon (10:20): It does. Rick (10:21): And so from that standpoint and your story, as far as what you're saying, that you don't realize how big this problem is until it's too late. That's the same as mine. That's the same as the person we interviewed last week. That's the same as personal as we'll probably interview next week. Everybody says that and that's, we just wish we would have known how big this problem is. And I know here with our podcast and so many others, that's what we're working to do. We're working to advocate to get this information out so parents know they have the, they have the information, we don't look, we know that cars can be dangerous, so we put them in car seats. Right? Right. Parents need to take that same responsibility when it comes to pools. One of the things I know, um, let's talk about you and I actually kind of had an opportunity to meet at the NDPA conference last year. And new Orleans. We didn't really get a lot of time to talk and kind of really, because you know, that was your first event and you were really, you know, kind of making the rounds on speaking to everybody and hearing your story, but you really kindled a special relationship with a special person. Melanie. Brittney, right? Brandon (11:28): Yes sir. It did. Rick (11:29): Tell us a little bit about, you don't have to tell us about Mel, Melanie's situation, but uh, how did you two, how did you two get together and meet? Brandon (11:38): It was coming up on a year of my son's accident and uh, I said, you know, cause at first I was like, I don't want to do anything. I just want to sit in a room by myself and just told everybody, leave me alone. But the more I started thinking about, I was like, that's selfish. I need to do something. So we held a Memorial service for, uh, my son and my nephew. Well, I started reaching out to everybody I could, I put it on the news. I contacted news stations, I contacted the radio station and there's paper everywhere trying to get everybody to come out cause I had a, uh, a lifeguard come out and give a CPR like rescue CPR instructions, like not certified but to let people know what to do, you know, if they're in that situation. But it just so happened that, uh, I was trying to find somewhere to, to send monetary donations. This hospital children's hospital got me in contact with Families,United, which led me to Melanie. So Melanie came out to my event and from there we'd just started joining the fight. Rick (12:45): Just so people know that Melanie lost her husband, I think it will be 17 years ago in Florida in a rip current where he was making a rescue and rescued a young boy, but then went back out to rescue a, the boy's grandfather and the grandfather lost his life. And so did Melanie's husband. So Melanie is an advocate also, uh, for water safety. You guys, I know right now you don't have a website. Your, you're advocating for water safety. You're, you're, uh, you're talking about water safety. My understanding is, is uh, you and Melanie are kind of going to join forces. You're, you're not like next door neighbors but you're relatively close by and kinda overlap. You guys are looking at kind of join some forces here a little bit, right? Brandon (13:31): Oh yeah, most definitely. Um, she lives in Conway, which is about an hour away from me and you know, like we were talking earlier with the cell phones, the internet, social media, everything in our way is not a big deal at all. So, uh, we stay in contact as much as possible, as much as our schedules will allow us. Like I'm here recently, my sister, she works at car Mart and do you know, they offer these donations, bring in cans or bringing this and it goes towards your down payment or whatever. Well, she got it approved for her district manager that they said, bring in U S approved us coast guard approved brand new life jackets and get this off of your, uh, down on your car payment. And they gave all of those life jackets to me. And right now I'm in the process of getting all of those life jackets to Melanie for her foundation. Rick (14:23): Awesome. That's a great idea. Really is really kind of opens up a conversation and helps you reach, you know, probably families that are, you know, they're, they're probably families are buying vehicles because they have young children and everybody, not just families with young children, but everybody needs to hear a water safety message. Let's talk about your area there and you're in uh, Arkansas, correct? Brandon (14:44): Yes sir. Rick (14:45): Yeah. So this situation with your son and your nephew that it in an above ground pool and we, I think a lot of people, when we talk about swimming pools, I think most people get an initial impression that it's an in ground pool. I think there's probably more above ground pools probably in this country than there is in ground pools because of the cost above. Ground pools have got very inexpensive to put up. Give us a kind of a visual picture of say, a typical above ground pool in around Arkansas where you live at. Brandon (15:25): It's definitely not concrete. It's made of a tarp material and it can go anywhere from on the like four feet deep to, I've seen some of them, five and a half feet. And you know, not only those smaller poles that are inflatable that the parents think we're going to get these for the kids. The kids can swim this one, it'll be fine or get them little plastic kitty poles and we'll just fill that out and let them, it's only up up to your ankle. It's fine. You know. And I think that's an equal issue as well as just standard above ground. But to your above grounds, they have a ladder that doesn't secure to the pole. So you know you can take it out when you're not using it. But that's how my son got in there, two years old and this boy is climbing up an adult ladder and got in the pool Rick (16:14): and nobody else was in the pool. Right. The pool just sitting there. Brandon (16:18): Yeah it was, cause it was so early in the morning, uh, you know, the neighbors didn't have fencing and they didn't have a safety fence around the pool or anything. Cause we don't think to do that around here. That's not like a big deal in this area where people don't think like, why do I need a fence in my yard? Or I don't want a fence in just my pool because they'll make my yard look weird with having just a fence around the pool or what am like safety? I mean, come on. I would much rather have an odd shaped fence around my pool in the yard than to be sitting here talking to you today about my son passing away. Rick (16:54): Exactly. The picture you're painting is very similar. I'm here in Ohio rural Ohio and I could drive through any housing development, any area where I see a backyard pool and it's, there's no fence. 99.99% of those pools during the swim season are, the ladders are left in them with all the blowup toys, the floaties all floating around the water when nobody's using the pool. And we don't as parents, we don't think about that, that we don't think that those blow up toys, the water that's inviting to children regardless of age, they, they see toys, they see pools as play time. They see, you know, whatever their vision and their thought it say one, two, three years old when they're a toddler, it's like, Hey, this is where I have fun. And they have no idea because pools are just sitting, not fenced in. Um, with the ladders left in no security gate, even on the ladder at the top and they have complete access to the pool even though that home doesn't have children, there's neighboring children. And so, uh, as simple as simple fence with a self-closing self latching gate separating one yard from another yard would have stopped your son from getting to the pool. Brandon (18:20): Oh yeah, there were, yeah. There. There's several things that could have stopped it, but that is definitely one of them. Rick (18:25): And we refer to this in the water safety community and drowning prevention and people just like any organization group, we kind of have our own terminology and own language, but we refer to this as layers of protection. So we look at all these multiple layers of protection. There's, there's multiple, we're gonna let's, let's talk about some of these because that pool, the picture you just painted, it's not just that pool that is almost, I can't even begin to put a number to it. I would say probably 80% to 90% of the pools and at least the above ground pools, because I know in ground pools, I believe most States, if not all States require the yard to be fenced. Okay. I know here in the country where I live at, you don't have to have a fence. I mean we're where I, I could build an in ground pool at my house and why would not have to have the yard fenced in, but then the closest neighbors a half mile to a mile or so or better away and you know, so it's not like we're built house on top of house or right next door to each other, but still I'm not required to do so there was a house just down the road. Rick (19:36): They didn't have a fence around their pool until they had grandchildren. Once I had grandchildren, they went and put a fence around the yard, but they still don't have a barrier fence between the back door and the pool because that's again is another layer protection. Brandon, why don't you talk about some of these layers of protection that you, you believe if these things would have been in place, not only just your son and nephew, but there's hundreds and thousands of others that would be walking this earth today. What are, what are some of those things that you could tell us? Brandon (20:10): Okay. So in my case, they got up before the adults did and didn't like the adults that the kids go cut and they started pilfering around the house. And you know, I've done this on Saturday mornings. Woke up before my parents did when I was a kid and go sneak into the fridge or go turn cartoons on or something. But they didn't wake the parents up and they, one of them was telling the to reach the door. We don't know who did or what, but they unlocked it. And that's how they got outside right there. If we would have had even just, you know, your basic alarm system that you can get at any hardware store for about 15. bucks. You can put it on your front and back door, every exit to the house. And when you open that door, it's gonna wake you up right there. Brandon (20:56): That would've woken the parents up and they could have been stopped right there. The next one would be, uh, a big thing. Even if they get all the way to the pool, we'll get to the fence in a second. Even if they get all the way to the pole, if the ladder is not there in place on an above ground pool, a kid that's say one to four years old is not going to be able to get in that pool even as they could be physically able to put their arms up, you know, kind of hoist himself over. If a kid at four year olds, four years old has to work that hard to do it, they're not going to do it. They're going to go find something else to get into. But if you take that ladder out, they're not going to be able to get into the pool. Brandon (21:36): That's a big one to me. If you're going to have a deck around your above ground pool and lead into your back door or to have a deck at all and not connected back to work, the entrance to that deck needs to have a self flashing gate. You know, to where it won't open, where the kid can't lean on it and come open and give them access to the pool area. Like you were talking about, if you're going to build up to the pool into the house, there needs to be had another layer right there. Okay. Because you can have it, the entrance to the deck from the ground. You've got that self latching gate, but now you've got to worry about your kid wandering out the back glass to the pool because you built a deck to the pool. And I think that's where another gate needs to come into place to sell flashing gate. Rick (22:26): Plus, I don't know, other door alarm, not just to the front door, but if that's a sliding glass door. Anything you need additional barrier there too with a, you know, an extra lock and also another door alarm. Brandon (22:41): Yeah, most definitely put a lock up where the kids can't get to it. And Rick (22:45): another one would be, um, let's talk about, uh, people that have doggy doors. I think we tell our children, Oh well don't do that as well. They're, they're curious. They're gonna. If they want to do something, they'll figure out how to do it Rick (22:58): right. I mean, yeah, definitely Rick (23:00): they, they wanted to get outside you. You're not sure who did or how they did it, but they wanted to do it. Even if it required them to get a chair or a box or to do something to climb on, to get access. There's several things. I think when we look at these, we almost have to look at a backyard pool, but whether it's in ground or above ground. So many of these backyards not only double for a place for swimming and swimming and say, you know, to enjoy water and just swim and have fun, but they also double as a backyard playground for many families and many times there's no barrier between the swing set, the sandbox and the swimming pool. And that is again, inviting a problem. Many parents think that they can stand at the kitchen window and washing dishes and watch. It only takes a second. I mean, you were talking the small, you can go to Walmart now what for three, 400 bucks, buy a above ground pool. That's what about two feet deep. Brandon (24:08): I'll not even, not even that something man, it's gotten down to below half that, I mean maybe at least down here, but I can go to Walmart with 100 bucks right now and buy an above ground pool. Rick (24:18): It's important to understand about an inch to an inch and a half of water is all it takes for a, for a small child to drown. That's that. That's it. And um, it doesn't take much. That's why those little tiny kiddy pools can be so parents think, Oh well they, you know, it's only got a few inches of water in it. It's, you know, they're, they're, they're fine. No, they're not. You still as a parent, you still have to have it. You need to be there. Um, because they could slip, fall, hit their head. There's a lot of things. I mean, we could, we could be here for hours and you just didn't give a scenario after scenario because we, you and I, we hear all these things because it's, I guess maybe we're hypervigilant about this. So we see things on social media, people sharing stories. So we hear stories of different stories all the time. Rick (25:07): It's like, Oh my gosh, I didn't never heard of a child drowning that way before. And all of a sudden there it is. It happens. Yeah. And um, you know, and you have to consider if you have backyard furniture, anything that, that a child, especially with an above ground pool, you can remove the ladder. But how else is there ways for them to get in there? And uh, you know, how else can it be secure? And don't forget about your upstairs windows. Also, people say, well, my two year old won't cry, won't climb out of the upstair window. No, we have stories. I could give you stories of those happening to where they've climbed out onto a roof, shimmy down a water pipe, whatever, jumped on a tramp. I mean, these children can hardly go up and down the stairs, but given the opportunity, they'll push out a screen. They have no fear, no fear. Brandon (26:06): It's like you said, man, they're there. If they want to do it, you're going to find a way to do it. So our job is to take those tools away from them. Rick (26:16): And it's important to understand between the ages of one to five, it's, it's pretty equal between drownings, between boys and girls. But when you start getting a little bit older, the, the, the numbers begin to change that, you know, boys become more daring and they, you know, so we get into the teenage years, you know, it's about 80% of a lot of the drownings are male, they're boys. And, uh, because at that point where now people are daring them to swim across the Lake or swim across or hold their breath while they swim laps underwater, and then they have shallow water blackout, there's, you know, so there's as children, just because they're two, three years old, they don't, you know, the water safety doesn't stop when they turn five, six, seven, 10, 15 or, or even as adults. Let's talk about that. Did your son have any type of swim instruction at all? Brandon (27:10): I didn't even know that it was a thing. I thought that swimming lessons or whatever, it was strictly competitive. That does exactly what I thought. I had no idea. There was even a thing. It's like a safety, safety swim lessons. I never thought of that. Rick (27:27): And just so people know what we're talking about here is they can take a child as young as six months in some cases even younger, but typically six months to a year. And if a child falls in the water, they instantly, instinctively have learned to roll over and float on their back. And uh, and, and then as they get a little bit older, you know, as they progress through. So they start this at six months to a year and then the next set of lessons is how do they roll back over and then kick a little bit, roll back over and get their breath. So they're on their back, they're getting their breath on the bat until they can get to the side or get to where they can grab onto something and yet it and call out for help. But they teach these children not just in bathing suits but fully clothed. Um, yup. Was your son, your son was closed. Was he clothed or, I'm assuming he got up early. He's probably still in his pajamas or something like that. Brandon (28:21): Yep. He was in shorts, a diaper and a tee shirt. So yeah, he was fully clothed Rick (28:28): and the, and this is an important layer. I mean we, we classify the swim lessons, as a layer of protection. It's an important one because even if you had the fencing and the Gates and all these things, children could still get through some of those things. So they still need to have those, that self rescue, that rescue ability at that age to float in case they do get through all those, you know, the likelihood of the more barriers you have, the likelihood that they, they probably at some point in time won't get to that. That's the goal. But you have to equip them with that ability. And I was the same way. I did, had no clue that anything like that existed. And we were told our child had to wait until she was five. Okay, you're the swim instructor, you're a swim school. Why would I question that? Rick (29:17): I pay, you know, I'm going to pay you for lessons. So if I pay you your, you must be a professional. You know what you're talking about. I'm not saying that they don't, but I also believe that they, you know, have a duty to, to tell me that we can't teach your child til she's five. But there's other programs out there where they didn't do that either. And your story, Brandon and yours of mine, I mean, are very common. Parents don't know that these things are out there, especially in rural America. I mean, you know, we have to drive a long ways sometimes to find an instructor even if we knew about it and we want it. I think the closest instructor to me where I'm here in Ohio, it's like 40 miles away and it's winter time. And many of them don't teach in the winter because they don't have an indoor facility. So it's, and they're booked solid. So there's not enough instructors that do this. And so we need to educate. When you found out some of the numbers and then you went down to the NDPA, um, when you went to New Orleans with Melanie, how did you feel about some of the things you were learning? Brandon (30:20): I was blown away. I just completely baffled that the numbers and you know, said this, this entire conversation, I just, I had no idea. I didn't know it was this to this level, to this degree that so many kids are losing their lives to this and it's preventable. It's preventable. Rick (30:45): If somebody's listening to this right now and they're their parents, they've gone through something like this or maybe they just want to learn more or maybe they're a swim instructor that wants to be more involved in a community. Would you recommend that somebody go to a conference like say the NDPA this year, just so you know it's going to be in Dallas, Fort Worth. There's different types of programs and things like that around every state and every community. Not every community, but every state has some type of, you know, programs of some sort. And we can, if you're not sure, you get in touch with me here at the Kels Group and we will, uh, we'll find something. But would you recommend that somebody attend a conference like the NDPA? Brandon (31:26): Most, definitely. And even if you don't feel like you need enough information, which I guarantee you will, you will have information overload. So be ready to take notes and bring your computer or bring whatever you need to take notes. The amount of contacts that you get. That was my biggest takeaway from the conference when I got home was all the contacts. That's how I met you. That's how I met Bobby Pratt. Alan Korn, just so many different people, big names and water, water safety. Rick (32:01): How did that make you feel? I mean, you know, you're a grieving father, you kind of, like you were saying earlier, you just kind of didn't want to tell your story. You really didn't want to, you know, be out there. But now that you've gone and you've met these people, how does that, do you feel energized in the best positive way? Obviously, you know, given the, just like you said, we'd much rather not be doing this because we are here. How do you think, how's that made you feel? Being more involved in doing that? Brandon (32:29): You know, if it makes me feel a little better instead of sitting back and just, you know, missing my son and wallowing in pity and feeling sorry for myself, it makes feel a little better. You know, getting out there and trying to do something and using his story to hopefully save another child's life and meeting all these absolutely wonderful people. I cannot stress to you how much I appreciate meeting you and everybody else that I met at the conference Rick (32:59): and it's a great support system. There's a group called Families United. Um, and like you, you mentioned them earlier, that you got in touch with them and that's how you, you run across with Melanie and exactly what the name says, families United. These are families that have suffered a similar tragedy is drowning or non-fatal drowning that you and I have and so many others and have experience. They are a community of families, loved ones, everything from young babies all the way up to like Melanie and her husband, Ken, uh, adults. And it's a great support system because everybody is walking in. They're on a journey, but everybody's in a different place in that journey along the way. And so if you're going through this, you don't have to go through this alone. Let's just say that because it's a very lonely feeling. And we feel guilty because we said, why didn't we know? Why didn't, why didn't I do something different? Why didn't I take my son to swim lessons? Why didn't I take my daughter? You know, why did I take my daughter to the pool that day? I didn't have to. Brandon (34:06): That's, and that's what it all comes in and he's, my child would still be here today if I did this or if I did that. And it just, it, it will bash you down and take every ounce of life you've got out of you. Rick (34:17): Exactly. And you, and I don't mean to say that it's, you know, drowning is the only way a child drowns. That this is the way you feel. I'm sure everyone who looses child, regardless of how they lose a child, go through this same grieving process and feel the same way that you and I feel. So I don't mean to lessen any particular type of accident. One's worse than the other. A child's life is a child's life regardless how the child is lost. But, but I think when it is drowning, one thing I will say is it's so personal to everybody. Even though I wasn't there, she wouldn't be the babysitter. It was my fault cause it's a father. That's my, I felt that was my job as a father was to protect my children. I would lay my life down, my child out in front of a bus, you know, so they would get to the side and I would take the hit from the bus myself. Is that how you felt as a father? Brandon (35:07): Oh man, most definitely. Rick (35:10): And I know mothers feel the same way. It's not just a father thing, but it's, but we have an opportunity now to be responsible and advocate for those that don't know what you and I know know. That's one of the reasons why you're partnering and going to be working together with Melanie. So what you've learned at the NDPA, you, you have now started some grassroots efforts in your community to begin the education process. Just like you were saying, the life jackets and some of the things you're doing. This has really started, as I always put it, it's a new life. You know, that life was the old life that, you know, this is my life now. You're building a legacy, you're building, you're, you're doing something positive because you would hate to have a friend come to you and tell you that they lost their child to a drowning and you didn't say anything to them. Right? Brandon (36:01): Oh man, they would, yeah, they would tear me up. Rick (36:05): I mean, it's just like if you had the cure for cancer, you'd tell everybody. Brandon (36:09): Exactly. Rick (36:11): Yeah. Yeah. And we have drowning is 100% preventable. You mentioned it, it's 100% preventable. So we can stop this. We have the cure, we have the cure, and a lot of it is is it's education. It's knowing what to do, the layers of protection and understanding just that regardless of how big that pool is in your backyard, that little tiny kitty pool is just as dangerous as the big pool. And if, and if you don't think it is, I will be the bearer of bad news here. Then you know, you're setting yourself up possibly. And I'll say possibly. I know when you were sharing with me when you first got, you'd drive a forklift, right? Brandon (36:56): Yes sir. Rick (36:56): Let's put this kind of as in some context. So maybe somebody could, you know, if they're listening to this and still, and they're still saying, you know what, I really, really feel bad but this, you know, this won't happen to me. You drive a forklift and forklifts can be very, extremely, it's a, it's a really dangerous piece of equipment. If you get into a situation, you may be very proficient and be able to drive that thing with your eyes closed and and know, you know, you're real fast and moving things around. Loading trucks or you know, raising that thing up 50 feet, whatever it is you're doing. When you, if you were to become complacent, figuring that I know everything there is about my job when it comes to forklifts, what would you think that maybe you're setting yourself up for an accident? Brandon (37:38): Most definitely and that's exactly what they talk about whenever we have our, our safety gatherings meetings, most accidents happen when people start getting complacent. It's people who think it won't happen to them. They think, Oh, I've been here 30 years, I've never had an accident. And they started getting complacent and then next thing you know, they're taking down a rack of they're on their way to the hospital or well, because of what they did. Somebody on the way to the hospital. Rick (38:03): Would you agree that water safety, if you become complacent with your water safety, that you're setting yourself up for a possible accident? Brandon (38:12): Very much. It's not the same thing, but it's the same thing. If you'd get one, I'm in here, Rick (38:19): right, right. You could be proficient with a forklift, a truck, a car, you may be a great car driver, whatever that, whatever it is we do in life are regular things that we do. It's just like if I get in my car to drive to Walmart, how many of us have gone and drove from point a to point B? When we get to someplace and you scratch your head, I don't remember stopping at that stop sign, the red light, whatever. Right? So oh yeah, everybody has. What about our water safety when we're sitting around a pool, can you recount every motion, everything that your child did in the water? You know how many of us are on autopilot when we're in and around the water? Even even if you would be at a, say a pool with your children, you know you're playing on your phone and you miss, you know, you miss something because we become complacent. Rick (39:12): You know, we think we have everything covered and I, you know, I will take the heat on that. I believed I had everything covered. We had an in ground pool. I didn't have to worry. There was lifeguards, there was a lot of their people there. There was a babysitter, she was with her older sister. There would be other people watching. I got complacent and in turn she drowned eight feet in front of a lifeguard while 200 people were in a pool and nobody saw her. That's because I got complacent as a father and I assume that everything would be fine. I made a mistake. Well, we all know the saying you make a mistake and you make an ass out of yourself. Right? Brandon (39:51): Yeah, that's true. That's very true. Rick (39:52): Brandon, if we've got a parent listening right now, let's go. As we begin to wrap up and I'll just make sure that if, if there's anybody listening and you want to get in touch with Brandon, I mean Brandon's on Facebook, I think it's under your name. Brandon Love, right? Brandon (40:07): Yes sir. Rick (40:08): Yeah. So just if it's okay with you, Brandon, I will have a link to your personal Facebook page on our show notes at the cow's group. And that way if somebody wants to connect with you, if, if you're a father or a parent, um, and you have an above ground pool and you're, you have questions, then what you need to do or whatever the case in, if you're in around Arkansas or any place, reach out to them. Brandon, and I'm sure he would be more than happy to talk to you as you know, as a friend and as a father and as a parent and as a concerned advocate. And he be more than happy to advocate for water safety for you. And if he doesn't know the answer, I know Brandon knows where to go to get the information real. It's not that hard to get, but we can find it. If it's out there, we will get it. Um, if it's swim lessons in your area regardless, but if you could have an opportunity to, to talk to a parent, what w what would be the, what would you want them to really to implement right now in their life to protect against something like this? Brandon (41:09): First off, don't be afraid to share your story. Share your story because they've been doing that alone. Can help somebody, can help save somebody's life and engage the community, engage the community. Because once you reach out into your community, everybody else's want to start reaching out and just want to start branching out. And then before you know it's going to be a statewide doesn't, it's going to be a region wide reach out. Rick (41:39): And if you're not sure if you have layers or protection in place, get in touch with me. I have a, I have a water safety checklist that will, it's got a, it's got 12 topics on it from in-home water safety to backyard pool safety to pool safety, to swimming, safety to boating safety, open water safety, vacation safety, beach safety lifeguard or life jacket safety. There's over 170 plus check points on this checklist to begin to have that conversation to make sure that you have your areas covered because this is something that we've done and put together that'll just at least get the conversation going because layers of protection. Brandon said it right there. That's have to implement it, not just one or two of these things. You need to implement all of them. It starts in your home, like your window alarms, door alarms, and then it goes outside. Rick (42:31): And then you, when you go on vacation, you've got to take your water safety with you on vacation. You may, there may be somebody listening to this right now that says, Hey, I have all that stuff in my pool. But what about when you go on a vacation, you go onto a boat dock. If you go to beach or you're swimming in a motel where there is no lifeguards and it says swim at your risk, what are all you, you know, look at all those things because complacency, setting yourself up for failures is being complacent, believing that you have everything covered and, and you very well may have, but it never hurts to double, triple, quadruple, check yourself cause safety should never take a day off. Brandon (43:11): No, never. Rick (43:13): Alrighty Brandon, we appreciate you sharing your story and uh, those of you that are here listening, I am, we invite you to be part of DW nation. Rick (43:21): We be part, invite you to be part of what our drowning warrior podcast. Make sure you subscribe, like share, share this story through you. Whatever channels that you use, share it and let people, other, other people, because you may share this and it just might reach somebody and save a life. You would hate to listen to this. Just like we would hate to share, not share our story and have somebody come and tell us like, you would hate to listen to this and know that you heard this and somebody comes and tells you that they know of a friend of theirs that drowned this coming summer in a pool, because I'll guarantee you there'll be a family by the end of today listening to this that will know Brandon's pain and my pain and so many others. There's 10 people a day in this, in the United States with the drown and two to three of those are children. On average, there's over worldwide, there's just under 50 people per hour drown worldwide a day, every hour. And that's, that's, so it's a worldwide problem. It's not just here in our country. So that's important, right? Brandon (44:28): Of course. Rick (44:29): Yes. All Brandon, we thank you and we will see everyone in the next week. Make sure you Join our DW Nation Facebook Community and Follow us on YouTube Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and Instagram Leave a comment below or feel free to record a short 90-second question or comment and let us know how we’re doing Support us on Patreon https://thekelsgroup.com/patreon Join our Facebook Community at https://www.facebook.com/groups/dwnation/ Follow us on our social channels Twitter – https://twitter.com/KelsMarketing Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/richardkauffman/ Facebook – https://www.facebook.com/thekelsgroup/ LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/rick-kauffman/ Subscribe to our podcast https://thekelsgroup.com/subscribe
46 minutes | Mar 5, 2020
A 5-Year-Old Girl Drowns A Daughter and Her Father Reveil Mistakes at a Lifeguarded Pool Every Parent Needs To Know
We are talking to two very brave people, Sarah Watkins and her Father Bart Watkins, that stepped up and their training took over and responded to a situation. So I would like to ask you would you know what to do if a 5-Year-Old Girl Drowns in a pool that you were attending while it was guarded by lifeguards? This is what every parent with children that can or even can’t swim needs to know. “Listen to Sarah and her father Bart tell their full story of the events of this day in a public lifeguarded pool with others standing around. It’s what you need to know and check what you think you may know how to keep your children safe.” I would like to thank our sponsor of this episode Safeswimminglessons.com. If you would like to learn what it will take to teach the little ones to swim and to self-rescue check out their website, The program is closing on March 15th to save 50% on their program. Let me tell you a quick story about a 5-year-old girl who drowned and a daughter and her father that took action. At the time Sarah and her daughter were enjoying swimming in the pool while her father Bart was swimming laps in the indoor pool. Sarah noticed what was happening when she saw the lifeguards just standing around, talking and pointing at the little girl and asked if anyone has checked on her?. Sarah was getting more and more upset at their lack of ability to respond to this situation in the manner that she was trained when she was a lifeguard and an instructor. Then the bottom fell out from under everyone and Sarah knew she had to take action and started to perform CPR, as they just weren’t doing it right until she could go on no more. Sarah then ran to get her father, Bart to take over CPR. This meant she couldn’t keep going, performing CPR can take a lot out of you after what seemed to be a long time and she just couldn’t go on. As you can imagine, this situation was going from bad to worse and becoming a desperate situation but they weren’t ready to give up. They had to keep going to save this little girl. She was transported to the hospital where she didn’t survive this drowning even after all they had done. Earlier the girl was wearing a puddle jumper similar to the picture. She had removed this life vest (Puddle Jumper) while her grandfather went to the restroom. She then entered the pool not wearing her puddle jumper. For children of this age group accustomed to wearing these types of PFD’s, they do not understand that this is what keeps them afloat. Then we discovered, after this drowning, we had started to ask questions and they were surprised at what we found out. At that point, everything changed for Bart and Sarah! They discovered that this facility was: Unprepared to handle an event like this little 5-year-old girl The rescue equipment was not present or and even their AED machine was locked up in the office That they do not perform the type of training that would prepare them for this. Plus, not to mention that they spent time on their cell phones and talking with one another instead of scanning and watching the patrons in the pool Because what Bart and Sarah had discovered, after this drowning, they had started to ask questions and were surprised at what they found out. After this event, it has energized Bart and Sarah to take action in their community and begin to educate parents and children of the dangers around water and these pools If it was going to happen then they were going to have to get involved in their community that is based in a low-income area, as the education is just not available to the public Sarah started to reach out to others in the water safety and drowning prevention community via social media, plus sharing their story. They both now have begun to hear from so many others that have had similar stories of non-fatal drownings and others that ended up just like this little 5-year-old girl. So Sad Now, they both have aquatics experience and training and knew what to do. I asked you in the beginning if you would know what to do if you found yourself in this situation? So let’s connect if you are looking for the answers to these questions and so much more… Join our Facebook Community and become part of DW Nation at https://www.facebook.com/groups/dwnation/ Follow us on our social channels Twitter – https://twitter.com/KelsMarketing Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/richardkauffman/ Facebook – https://www.facebook.com/thekelsgroup/ LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/rick-kauffman/
55 minutes | Feb 27, 2020
We all Know A Little Boy That Wanted to Grow Up to be a First Responder Rory The Warrior with Sherry Dawn-Sheffield
Rory, given his Last Ride A Hero and a Warrior to so many. Rory Antley Sheffield was born a firecracker. Rory was walking by 9 months and never stopped once he got vertical. He was the joy of his family and Daddy named him his “Little Warrior”. He loved firetrucks and would watch numerous videos of them going out on calls. One of his favorite videos built a firetruck from the tires up and he could name each part. Listen to this episode to hear how Rory is just like any other normal toddler that we know walking around our house and yours. On August 17, 2016, their family, along with 3 other families, rented a home in Concan, Tx. They had planned a fun, relaxing vacation with friends. On Friday, August 19th, after returning from the Frio River, everyone started getting ready for dinner. Rory slipped away and decided to go swimming. Only he didn’t know how to swim and his lifejacket had been removed to dry. “Within minutes of my friend calling 911, a volunteer fireman heard the call and was just minutes away.” They could have done nothing after his death. Yet Rory was too special and God had bigger plans for him and his family. They wanted to save other families from their nightmare. The family wanted to support the volunteer fire departments and first responders that Rory so loved. So Rory the Warrior, Inc was started in honor of their little Warrior, Rory Antley Sheffield. Watch to short video as our tribute to Rory and their mission https://youtu.be/jlRnDJWentU Out of something so UNTHINKABLE a Little Boy Has Become That First Responder. Rory is a HERO in the Heart of his Community and That of the First Responders Providing Life Saving Oxygen and Equipment that proved to be so valuable on the very first day that the first Hero Bag was given out. Listen to the Story in its entirety. Follow Rory The Warrior’s Facebook Page and support their mission via their website at https://rorythewarrior.org/ Thank you to our sponsor SafeSwimmingLessons.com Make sure you Join our DW Nation Facebook Community and Follow us on YouTube Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and Instagram. Leave a comment below or feel free to record a short 90-second question or comment and let us know how we’re doing. If you like our work and would like to help us out to share these stories and bring water safety information to your community we would welcome your support at https://thekelsgroup.com/patreon
30 minutes | Feb 21, 2020
How You Can Learn To Teach Children To Float If You Don’t have $12,000 to $20,000
We are talking with Trish Muehlstein where she spent some time with us one day in our Facebook Group DW Nation Drowning Warrior Podcast community, where we meet every day at 9 am EST for what I call our coffee break. Trish has developed a new program that she is sharing with us. As the title says “How You Can Learn To Teach Children To Float If You Don’t have $12,000 to $20,000.” Well, you can! Trish is going to explain that in this episode. If you would like to jump ahead and go right to the meat of it, you can check out her website where she has a short video that explains the program. https://safeswimminglessons.com She is offering a special BETA group of instructors at 50% Discount for those that are wanting to take advantage of this program and save up to $10,000 over other programs. Go to https://safeswimminglessons.com to get started. MeetTrish, Founder, CEO American momtrepreneur, business consultant, & wellness educator. Water Safety Expert For Children And Infants Founder of Tiny Turtles Swim School Helping thousands of parents feel more secure by teaching their children life-saving swimming skills over the past 17 years. Advises some of the most iconic celebrities, nonprofits, executives and professional athletes. Historically, most programs that teach you this information cost $12,000-$20.000. They require you to take at least a month away from your family. They offer little or NO support or coaching after the training. They charge you fees upon fees for continuing education. Who can afford THAT??! Or, spend that time??!! I don’t want to waste time nor money … but want to learn how to save lives!! This is what you’ll learn in this episode. Trish will explain why she is qualified to teach this lesson. Who is this program for? Why are these other programs so expensive and how you can discount these lessons so much? How will the lessons be taught? How will your coaching work? What are the ages of the children that you will be able to teach? What kind of support will be provided? Will, there be business support? When can I start teaching younger children? Will I have to travel to learn? The techniques and maintenance lessons. 1 Year Coaching 1 on 1 for 12 Months And Much Much More… Make sure you Join our DW Nation Facebook Community and Follow us on YouTube Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and Instagram Leave a comment below or feel free to record a short 90-second question or comment and let us know how we’re doing We need your help to reach more people https://www.patreon.com/drowningwarrior
46 minutes | Feb 13, 2020
How Jennifer Duffee Has Turned The Story of her Son Linkin’s Nonfatal Drowning Into A Mission To Help Educate Parents
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am376jgFjZE In today’s podcast, we’re talking to a mother that on the surface is just like any other mother who is walking this earth. There isn’t a thing that she wouldn’t do for her children. She would go out of her way to make sure that no harm would ever come to them. Just as any parent would do, until June 15, 2019. When her son Linkin wondered off and opened a gate to a pool and fell in the water. He was estimated to be in the water for 5-10 minutes. When the first responders showed up and start lifesaving efforts on Linkin. They transported Linkin to the hospital and that’s when Linkin’s extremely hard journey of recovery started. To hear the full story you’ll need to click the play button and listen to Jennifer tell her story that any mother would never want to have to live through or even have to share. You can help Linkin in his recovery, Jennifer has set up Linkin’s Go-Fund-Me Account As Jennifer shares her story, she’s going to let you know just the kind of boy Linkin is. That he is just like any other little boy, he is curious, into things, will to take all the chances and risks because to him and to every other little boy, it’s something new or it’s something that he wants or wants to do. As a Father of children and grandchildren, I know that every time I see a young child like Linkin that they are no different than he is. Jennifer now knows this first hand. She has turned this tragedy into a mission of hope and to share Linkin’s Miracle in the Making to the world. She also understands that it could have been a matter of seconds to a minute or 2 and the outcome would have been completely different. This has turned into her cause to share with other parents in her community, around the state of Texas as Texas is one of the leading States in drownings and non-fatal drownings. Because parents just don’t believe that it can happen, just as she believed before that date that we share in common, June 15th. We both know how fast it can happen with two different outcomes. Follow Jennifer and Linkin’s Story and his Journey on their Facebook Page Linkin Strong. To learn more about ISR click here and to learn more about Live Like Jake Foundation that helps with scholarships click this link https://livelikejake.com/ Make sure you Join our Kelsey Kode and Follow us on YouTube Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and Instagram Leave a comment below or feel free to record a short 90-second question or comment and let us know how we’re doing
46 minutes | Feb 5, 2020
Two Experts From NAGI SmartPool Swim Safe, Swim Smart System for your Facility. What You Don’t Know
https://www.nagismartpool.com/ Welcome to The drowning Warrior Podcast. Today we are talking with 2 experts on the topic of drowning detection technology and how that technology can support your facility 2 different ways, Swim Safe Swim Smart Listen to this episode and Ed an Eugeniu will explain what Nagi Swim Safe and Swim Smart System is all about. We are talking with Ed Devork Global GM NAGI Smart Pool in Chicago and Eugeniu Procopi with Business Development Manager at Nagi Smartpool & NBN23 • Escuela Universitaria Real Madrid Swimming Re-imagined: Nagi’s monitoring system and devices enable both safety and coaching personnel to use real-time data to connect with their swimmers, improve the safety profile of their facility, and monitor performance indicators that help motivate and improve the overall swimming experience for all involved. Again to hear the complete story and to learn about Nagi listen to this episode or connect with Ed the link is just below. Connect with Ed via LinkedIn or email him at email@example.com Check out their website click here You can reach Eugeniu vis LinkedIn or email firstname.lastname@example.org You can now Support the Drowning Warrior Podcast on our new Patreon Page. By doing so you will be allowing us to reach more people about the importance of water safety and drowning prevention. Not only that but helping us get these types of stories out about products and those doing the work to make pools and water safer. Just click the picture or the link below to learn how you can support the mission and help us tell more stories and reach more people. Plus check out the REWARDS that you can get by doing so for as little as $2.00 a month https://www.patreon.com/drowningwarrior Make sure you Join our Kelsey Kode and Follow us on YouTube Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and Instagram Leave a comment below or feel free to record a short 90-second question or comment and let us know how we’re doing
39 minutes | Jan 30, 2020
Texas Drownings Crystal Anderson Sharing her Story of the UNTHINKABLE with Braiden’s Heroes making Pools and Water Safer
Texas Drownings lead the country in the numbers of drownings. You live long enough the UNTHINKABLE will happen. You never know what that might be if it hasn’t happened yet. Crystal knows what that Unthinkable event is in her life. Listen to this episode as she shares her story about her son Braiden and what happened. What she didn’t know and what she has learned. Then how she turned this UNTHINKABLE Tragedy into a mission of Hope, so that another family can learn what she didn’t. Don’t Let Her UNTHINKABLE Become Yours Support Crystal and her mission and listen to this episode. Following Braiden’s accident, Crystal founded her mission and formed Braiden’s Heroes. To share her story with information about learning to swim. Plus to provide Drowning Awareness to the public, Give Survival Swim Scholarships and Lessons. Also, Educate the Importance of Organ Donation. We have set up a store for you to support Crystal’s mission with Braiden’s Heroes. So here is the store with some items that you can pick up and not only show and wear your support but you will be doing something to help their mission in her community. As she said in the podcast that she wasn’t aware of the problem and how big the problem was. Texas Drownings lead the country in the numbers of drownings. Help her and share her story so that others will learn before they understand what Crystal and so many others understand. Support Braiden’s Heroes Click Here Braiden’s Heroes Connect and follow Crystal and Braiden’s Heroes on her Facebook page Make sure you Join our Kelsey Kode and Follow us on YouTube Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and Instagram Leave a comment below or feel free to record a short 90-second question or comment and let us know how we’re doing
15 minutes | Jan 23, 2020
The New Drowning Warrior Podcast, The Journey of One Father Sharing Stories of The UNTHINKABLE
https://thekelsgroup.com/podcast-and-blog/ Welcome to the NEW Drowning Warriors Podcast Season 3. We are changing directions just a little bit as we move into our 3rd year and season. I will be focusing more on the stories of others to help the mission to get the word out of why is this so important. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFSOblRgJ7U&t=8s The new format will be structured in a way to be able to tell about the family as to give some background to their experience and what they knew prior to the UNTHINKABLE that happened. Next to explain what they didn’t know and just how big the problem is. Then to talk to you the listener just as if they were talking to you one on one. That would be to tell you what is the one thing and the complete series of what you need to do now. Not tomorrow or the day after of even weeks or months and then maybe years later but now. As soon as they tell you. TAKE ACTION ON THAT ONE THING! Be on the lookout for us on the road plus so much more. Listen to this episode to get the complete lowdown on what to come GOD Bless you. Remember the Solution can be really simple just remember to Go Small and What is the One Thing You Can Do Right Now! Make sure you Join our Kelsey Kode and Follow us on YouTube Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and Instagram Leave a comment below or feel free to record a short 90-second question or comment and let us know how we’re doing
26 minutes | Jan 13, 2020
Special Episode 3 Quick & Easy Ways To Reach A Large Audience Start SMALL
Hey Everybody! A little Monday Motivation and Inspiration to start the day and the week off. Welcome to "3 Quick And Easy Ways To How To Reach A Large Audience Start SMALL" Rick Kauffman here with a new Coffee Break Facebook Live and Special Episode of our Weekly podcast for everyone who wants to reach a large audience without having to ask the world for help. Here's what you need to know... Secret #1 - Unthinkable We all have had an Unthinkable situation happenWhat was your unthinkableHow can that motivate you Secret #2 - Start Small It starts at the beginning - YOUSlow Down and back upQuestion everything Secret #3 - Create What's the outcome you want to create?Who do you want to help?How will you help them? So, here are the big takeaways for every leader: We all have life lessons and what have we learnedHow can you apply those to your mission?Start small before you go BIGIt has to start with youGet in touch with your inner spirit/GOD power The point here is that you can start small without having to ask the world for help Make sure you join our Facebook Live Coffee Breaks at the Kelsey Kode Facebook Group and Follow us on YouTube Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and Instagram Leave a comment below or feel free to record a short 90-second question or comment and let us know how we're doing.
51 minutes | Jan 9, 2020
Do Aquatics and Podcasting Matter? Our Interview with Fellow Podcaster from AuqaTalk
https://aquatalk.ca/ Welcome to the first podcast of 2020 and this decade. We are talking with Paige Lacroix with Aquatalk.ca she is a fellow podcaster from Canada. Paige's website, social media, and podcast focuses on her role as aquatics professionals and advocate about the importance of water safer and drowning prevention. The number one goal is to eliminate drownings! She has been in the aquatics field professionally for over 7 years, and as such, she believes that it is extremely important to advocate about the importance of water safety. She wants this to be a space where aquatics professionals can come to learn, connect and inspire each other! Listen to this episode as we share many of the same interests to reach these aquatic professionals as they are on the front lines of this problem. Connect with Paige on Facebook, Instagram and her website at https://aquatalk.ca/ Make sure you subscribe to our podcast Follow us on Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and Instagram Leave a comment below or feel free to record a short 90-second question or comment and let us know how we're doing.
25 minutes | Dec 27, 2019
December 27th Facebook Live Coffee Break Your Ideal Water Safety Contact Profile
Coffee Break Sharing with you today our Facebook Live Coffee Break that we have over at our private Facebook Group every weekday at 9 AM EST. Plus the recording is there and in our member's area where you can always catch the recordings. If you don’t identify and understand who you are trying to reach when you are building the foundation of your Authority Leadership Platform, then you are probably not going to have much success with the Building your following and mission around your cause. Join the Group at https://www.facebook.com/groups/kelseykode/ https://youtu.be/9iFeGsTgq_Q Creating an ideal contact profile helps you in gathering as much information as possible on your ideal contact so you can truly understand their wants and needs and what makes them tick. The key areas you need to focus on when creating your Ideal Contact Profile: ● Their Personal Demographics ● Their Professional Demographics ● Their Professional Attributes Writing all this down helps you understand what makes the best people connect with and provides valuable insights on how you are going to approach and overall it will help you deliver more focused and effective messaging campaigns to connect with those you want to get on the phone with. Make sure you Join our Kelsey Kode and Follow us on YouTube Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and Instagram Leave a comment below or feel free to record a short 90-second question or comment and let us know how we're doing.
64 minutes | Dec 19, 2019
Why SKWIM is a Game Changer for Water Safety – How To Make It Work for your Swimming Pool!
In this podcast, we're talking with the Founder of SKWIM Kevin McCarthy. If you're a swimmer just beginning or what you would call a good swimmer and want to have more fun and get a workout to push yourself, to become better swimming while learning about water safety, this game may be just for you. If you're a pool operator and looking for an interactive game to be played in the water at your facility, whether that be inside or outdoors and looking for a way to generate more revenue, then SKWIM may be the answer for you. In my opinion SKWIM checks of all my boxes and in this podcast we'll discuss and answer many of your questions, how they can benefit your program while teaching water safety for those that you serve and let's not forget about your staff and lifeguards who need that time in the water to become stronger swimmers. SKWIM The International "Water-Disk" Game SKWIM, The Game, provides a new, aquatic advantage in team sports by combining the best elements from games like soccer, ultimate and hockey, into an all-new water-disk game adaptable to a variety of water venues and age groups. The Emerging Water-Sport, SKWIM, progresses with your ability, from an engaging, learn-to-swim game to an exhilarating, competitive water sport. Adaptable to shallow and deep water play in pools, lakes, or marinas, SKWIM is a strategic and socially interactive sport played at all levels, from childhood throughout adulthood. Truly a lifetime game, SKWIM attracts competitive athletes, families, new swimmers and seniors. Surf our site and catch the wave of the growing number of SKWIM locations around the US, Hong Kong, and Greece https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtuGgED7Ifs Check out their website SKWIM.us and SKWIMinternational.org also connect with SKWIM on Instagram If Facebook is your place her you go Click Here. Check out their sponsor ELifeguard Make sure you Join our Kelsey Kode and Follow us on YouTube Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and Instagram Leave a comment below or feel free to record a short 90-second question or comment and let us know how we're doing.
11 minutes | Dec 17, 2019
Day 5 of my 30 Day Challenge You Have A Choice in Life Between Doing Something Big or Nothing
Day 5 of my 30 Day Challenge You Have A Choice in Life Between Doing Something Big or Nothing. Feeling stronger and let me say that the pain is not there like it was. Just not feeling the pain is a huge success. It's day 5 and once again we are snowed in and have to complete this day of our challenge in the house walking and riding the bike. Success requires hard work and showing up every day no matter what even if it snows you in the house and you can't get out and it takes away your means to complete your daily goal. you have to do what it takes. Join us every day over at our Kelsey kode Private Facebook group for our 9 am coffee break Facebook Lives. If you're a member you'll get access if not we'll send you a link to join for free so you can be part of our community. You Have A Choice in Life Between Doing Something Big or Nothing. What are you going to do? Kelsey Kode Facebook https://thekelsgroup.com/kelseykodefree Make sure you Join our Kelsey Kode and Follow us on YouTube Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and Instagram Leave a comment below or feel free to record a short 90-second question or comment and let us know how we're doing.
10 minutes | Dec 16, 2019
Day 4 of my 30-Day Challenge Stuck inside on the Bike Let’s Take Massive Action
It's a snowy day outside and most likely it will be another snow day tomorrow, so we're on the bike. This is a short podcast. Sorry about the audio it's not the best. We'll work on that side of things. Talking about our Facebook Live on our private Facebook Group. We would love to have you show up. Just a note after 4 days we are really feeling rather good the first 2 days and yesterday morning were just HELL with sour muscles and couldn't move. I'm in my element. Join Me! There are 2.45 Billion active users on Facebook and the goal is to grow the message, not just ours but yours too. That would be to show up on every one of those 2.45 Billion news feed with some kind of water safety message. Trust me I will be explaining that as we go. I do have a plan on how to make this happen. Listen to this episode and we'll see you on the inside. Join the Kelsey Kode Click the link below and you can get access to the Facebook Group. We are working together to accomplish this goal. Join Us. Let's work together to make this happen. https://thekelsgroup.com/kelseykodefree Make sure you Join our Kelsey Kode and Follow us on YouTube Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and Instagram Leave a comment below or feel free to record a short 90-second question or comment and let us know how we're doing.
14 minutes | Dec 15, 2019
Day 3 of My 30-Day Challenge Tips for A Transformation in Your Life
On day 3 I really wanted to quit and give up on this challenge. Here are some Tips for A Transformation in Your Life, I need to work through the pain to get to the other side. Anything worth doing is always going to be hard work. I'm walking and have some really big goals around a transformation in my life to wrap my water safety and drowning prevention message around my 30-day challenge. To reach people that may never hear a water safety or drowning prevention message. Join me in your 30-day challenge. Then Join our mission to change the way we deliver that message and creating that change in your work and get behind something that is just as important as Cancer, Heart Disease and so many others. Sorry about the audio cutting in and out a little but you'll get the message just the same. Are you looking for a New Years Resolution to get behind a message with your 30-60 or 90-day challenge to reach them with your message and reach billions of people on their news feed? Follow my journey on my Instagram channel the links to all my social media are below. https://thekelsgroup.com/kelseykodefree Make sure you Join our Kelsey Kode and Follow us on YouTube Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and Instagram Leave a comment below or feel free to record a short 90-second question or comment and let us know how we're doing
14 minutes | Dec 14, 2019
If You Could Start A 30 Day Challenge To Get Your Water Safety Message to More People What Would That Be?
I'm Challenging you to start a personal transformation in your life and create a 30-day challenge that people will understand because they are wanting a particular result in their life. You can become the leader and lead them to your water safety message. If you want to know what I'm talking about here listen to this podcast and follow my story as I'm documenting my journey on my Instagram page. Follow me here for a while and I believe you'll get it figured out. My Instagram You can listen and watch the video I created for this podcast: https://youtu.be/6GdxMjmCLrM https://thekelsgroup.com/kelseykodefree Make sure you Join our Kelsey Kode and Follow us on YouTube Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and Instagram Leave a comment below or feel free to record a short 90-second question or comment and let us know how we're doing.
43 minutes | Dec 12, 2019
Helpful Hints for Water Safety Advocates: Learn How To Build And Pay For A Life Jacket Loner Station
http://www.boatingsafety.com/life-jacket-loaner-program Today's Podcast All you need to know and A Great partnership with Sea Tow Foundation - boatingsafety.com for your First or your next Life Jacket Loner Station - What you may not know about setting up a Life Jacket Loaner Station In 2007, Sea Tow Services International founder, Captain Joe Frohnhoefer, was concerned about the number of preventable boating-related accidents, injuries, and deaths and created a nonprofit organization to directly address these issues through education and awareness as a national public service organization with 501(c)(3) nonprofit status named the Sea Tow Foundation. What They Do Sea Tow Foundation promotes safe boating practices and educational initiatives that directly reduce fatalities, injuries, and property damage related to recreational boating. Their programs are flexible for business, government agencies, nonprofit organizations, and individuals to work together or operate independently. Each program has high community acceptance and can be repeated year after year! Among other things in this podcast, we revealed how to build and pay for your next life jacket loner station. Some really cool "time-limited" stuff available here if you want to Build a Life Jacket Loaner Station in your community and save lives, work with others in your community to promote water safety, and grow your community to also help promote your message and community. Apply and >>> You may receive a grant to help pay for and help get your Life Jacket Loaner Station set up. But you need to ask now. Deadline is February 1, 2020 Life Jacket Loaner Grant You can apply to host and maintain a Sea Tow Foundation Life Jacket Loaner Station stocked with life jackets in a variety of sizes available for boaters to borrow free of charge for a day out on the water. These are available for nonprofit organizations, clubs, government agencies, and applicable businesses. READ MORE and APPLY FOR GRANT >>>Click the play button or go to your favorite podcast channel to listen to this powerful episode on setting up your Life Jacket Loaner Station. Check it out there website by going here to learn more==> http://www.boatingsafety.com/life-jacket-loaner-program other websites mention https://lifejacketdrive.org Follow Sea Tow's Facebook Page and LinkedIn Make sure you Join our Kelsey Kode and Follow us on Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and Instagram. Leave a comment below or feel free to record a short 90-second question or comment and let us know how we're doing
49 minutes | Dec 5, 2019
Don’t be Alarmed – What Bacteria is Lurking in Your Water, Your Home, and Your Swimming Pool?
We are talking with James Dyer and Sandra Newman with Genemis Laboratories of America Inc. about what is in your water, for example, what kinds of bacteria. It may surprise you or maybe it wouldn't, but you'll want to listen to these two experts on everything, from drinking water, lakes, rivers, oceans to your beaches and right down to your backyard pool and not to mention your public pools such as YMCA's and Parks and Recreation aquatic facilities and yes splash pads. Listen to this episode to learn about just some of the bacteria that may be lurking in your water that you may be drinking, putting your children in for baths and shower to the water you may be putting in your swimming pool, the water you are swimming in outside of your home such as public open water to public pools, water parks to splash pads. They have been nice enough to provide you with a few PDF's to download. Just click on the picture to download Connect with their website at https://americatestyourwater.com/ also you can send an email to email@example.com to schedule a time to talk about your water and get your water tested also you can reach Sandra by email at firstname.lastname@example.org Make sure you subscribe to our podcast Follow us on Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and Instagram Leave a comment below or feel free to record a short 90-second question or comment and let us know how we're doing
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