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Coaching Runners Podcast
42 minutes | 14 days ago
023 - Speed Work: What does it mean?
In this episode, Jay Johnson explains why he doesn't use the term speed work. He goes into detail about how he thinks coaches should use the term speed. It's his contention that the term 'race pace work' can often be used to assign training to athletes. Check out Jay's other podcast, Running with Coach Jay, to hear his views on why this term is also problematic for adult runners.
125 minutes | 14 days ago
022 - Alex Lyons
Alex Lyons is a tremendous coach and I'm so happy he not only joined me on the podcast, but that's he's part of the Boulder Running Clinics 2020-21 Winter Webinar Series. Alex is the girl's coach at Lyons Township High School in La Grange, Illinois. The girls have had tremendous success in both cross country and track during his time as the head coach. Alex spent part of his collegiate running years at American University where Matt Centrowitz was his coach and we discuss how Coach Centrowitz's approach influenced his coaching. In this wide-ranging conversation, we spend a significant amount of time on training and why he does what he does with his athletes. Thank you Alex for being the first guest in the podcast!
58 minutes | a month ago
021 - John O'Malley - Burnout in Coaching
John O'Malley is the boy's cross country and track coach at Sandburg High School in Orland Park, Illinois. He is the only person to have coached two Footlocker national champions. On the track, his boys ran an average time of 7:44 in the 4 x 800m for seven consecutive years (averaging 1:56 per athlete). John is part of a panel discussion on burnout as part of the Boulder Running Clinics Winter Webinar Series. This is a series of 12 webinars, each roughly 90 minutes, that you can attend live or watch/listen to the recordings. Visit BoulderRunningClinics.com to learn more about the webinar series and to register. Make sure to use the discount code "podcast" to get a discount on your registration. John was the second guest on the podcast - episode 002. He has also appeared on the podcast in episode 015 with Dr. Jeff Messer and Jeff Boelé.
46 minutes | a month ago
020 - Jonathan Dalby - Burnout in Coaching
Jonathan Dalby is the girl's and boy's coach at Mountain Vista High School in Highlands Ranch, Colorado. His teams have won multiple state titles in cross country and have made multiple NXN appearances, including in 2017 when the boys were third and the girls were sixth. Jonathan is part of a panel discussion on burnout as part of the Boulder Running Clinics Winter Webinar Series. This is a series of 12 webinars, each roughly 90 minutes, that you can attend live or watch/listen to the recordings. Visit BoulderRunningClinics.com to learn more about the webinar series and to register. Make sure to use the discount code "podcast" to get a discount on your registration.
56 minutes | a month ago
019 - Kim O'Malley - Burnout in Coaching
Kim O'Malley is a former high school coach - nine years in both California and Colorado - who is a content developer for Girls On The Run International. Kim is part of a panel discussion on burnout as part of the Boulder Running Clinics Winter Webinar Series. This is a series of 12 webinars, each roughly 90 minutes, that you can attend live or watch/listen to the recordings. Visit BoulderRunningClinics.com to learn more about the webinar series and to register. Make sure to use the discount code "podcast" to get a discount on your registration. Finally, I spoke with Kim on episode 010 and in that episode, you can learn more about social-emotional learning and why it's so important for high school coaches to understand those concepts.
39 minutes | a month ago
018 - Jessie Magoto - Burnout in Coaching
Jessie Magoto, the girl's cross country and track coach at Minster High School, in Minster, Ohio, is my guest on this episode. We discuss burnout in both coaching and teaching. Jessie explains how she keeps her energy high throughout the year. Jessie is part of a panel discussion on burnout as part of the Boulder Running Clinics Winter Webinar Series. This is a series of 12 webinars, each roughly 90 minutes, that you can attend live or watch/listen to the recordings. Visit BoulderRunningClinics.com to learn more about the webinar series and to register. Make sure to use the discount code "podcast" to get a discount on your registration. Finally, I spoke with Jessie on episode 011 and if you want to hear how a coach at a small school has created a successful program, check out that episode.
52 minutes | 8 months ago
017 - Special Covid-19 episode with Jeff Messer, PhD
Jeff Messer, PhD, and Jay discuss how coaches and athletes can view training during the Covid-19 pandemic. Dr. Messer references two papers and summaries them in this podcast. 1. Debunking the Myth of Exercise-Induced Immune Suppression: Redefining the Impact of Exercise on Immunological Health Across the Lifespan. Campbell JP1, Turner JE1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29713319 2. The compelling link between physical activity and the body's defense system David C. Niemana,⁎ and Laurel M. Wentzb https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6523821/ At the end of this podcast is a coupon code for $12 off any BoulderRunningClinics.com videos, clinics that Dr. Messer has both spoken at and attended.
89 minutes | 9 months ago
016 - Tony Holler - Part 2
Tony and Jay spend most of this episode focused on training, specifically discussing what distance coaches can adapt from the sprint world to improve performance. If you listened to episode 005 with Tony you know he strongly recommends distance coaches use wickets (aka mini-hurdles) with their athletes. He tweaks that suggestion a bit and points out that it's very common for distance runners to run a set of wickets with poor mechanics. He then goes into detail with a progression of drills coaches can use to teach proper mechanics. And just as John O'Malley said it's important to watch this video with Jeff Boele, Tony gives his reasons for why it's a must-watch for serious distance coaches. Combine this episode with episode 014 and you have almost three and a half hours with Tony!
155 minutes | 10 months ago
015 - John O'Malley, Dr. Jeff Messer and Jeff Boelé
Three former guests on the podcast discuss a variety of topics, starting with a definition of the term “speed” and how that term fits into the training of distance runners. Specifically, Jeff Boelé and John O’Malley discuss acceleration and why it may or may not be useful for distance runners. The conversation then moves on to a discussion of terminology across a spectrum of intensities, including threshold and vVo2max running. Later in the podcast John and Jeff Boelé address a question Joan Hunter submitted regarding sub-max velocity work and their answers are fantastic. This podcast is in many ways an extension of the conversations these three men and Jay Johnson have been engaging in via a text thread for the past year. While technical at times, the majority of the information in this podcast will be useful for coaches with two years of experience, coaches with 20 years of experience and everyone in between. For complete show notes visit CoachJayJohnson.com. Included is the link to the 20-minute video of Jeff Boelé’s neural session practice, the video that John O’Malley says is a must-watch. If you'd like some transcribed excerpts of this podcast please join Jay’s email list by visiting CoachJayJohnson.com. Finally, John, Dr. Messer and Jay all spoke at the 2020 Boulder Running Clinics and at the end of the podcast Jay shares a coupon code that will give you $10 off those videos. Visit BoulderRunningClinics.com to purchase the videos. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John O’Malley A Brooks “Top 25 Most Inspiring Coaches” award winner, Coach O’Malley has an unprecedented coaching resume. He has had the unique ability to coach the “average” runner in addition to being able to take elite runners to the highest levels in Illinois and United States history. His cross country teams at Sandburg H.S. have qualified for state 14 years in a row, which accounts for every year he’s been coaching. His teams have placed in the top 10 in state eight separate occasions out, including three top-four finishes, a runner up in 2014 and a state championship in 2015. Without their #2 runner, his team placed 4th at NXN in 2015 after qualifying and placing 16th in 2014. In addition to coaching two NXN teams, he has coached two individual qualifiers. He coached two-time Illinois state champion, 8:29 2-miler, 3:59 miler, only double Footlocker and Nike National Champion, Lukas Verzbicas. Last year Dylan Jacobs won Footlocker Midwest Regional, making Coach O’Malley the only coach to have coached two Footlocker Midwest Regional champions. Jacobs would go on to be a double All-American at NXN and Footlocker as a junior. At Detweiller Park, the Illinois state cross country course since 1972, two of O’Malley’s runners have broken 14:00, a feat only achieved by a total of six runners in Illinois history. His ability to create a culture in which all his athletes are fully engaged and determined is perhaps best exemplified by David Gleisner who as a healthy senior did not manage to make the team’s top seven and run at state or nationals, but would run 9:16 for 3200 that spring. On the track, O’Malley has coached five runners who have run 4:10 or better for 1600 and 15 runners 1:57 or better in the 800. His 4 x 800 relays have been most dominant. Having run 7:46 or better for the last six consecutive seasons, they placed in the top five in state seven times, including two state champion relays and setting the Illinois State Record of 7:37.3. In all, he’s had ten different foursomes run under 7:48. Additionally, Sean Torpy set the all-time Illinois State Record in the 800 of 1:47.9. His 4 x mile relay won the 2016 New Balance Indoor National title. Sean Torpy would go on to become the Illinois state champion in the 1600, Chris Torpy the Illinois state 800 meter champion, and his team won three of the four distance events at the state meet in 2016, a feat only achieved two other times in state history. Last spring, after graduating three of his four state champions from 2016, his 4 x 800 came back to place 2nd in state in 7:46 and Dylan Jacobs ran 4:07 for 1600. O’Malley has coached three Gatorade Athletes of the Year: Lukas Verzbicas, Sean Torpy and Dylan Jacobs. The Illinois Track and Cross Country Coaches Association Coach of the Year, NFHS Coach of the Year, United States Track and Cross Country Federation Coach of the Year, Coach O’Malley’s coaching resume is perhaps only surpassed by his teaching accolades, which includes the Northwestern University Distinguished Secondary Teacher Award, the Stanford University Excellence in Teaching Award, the Illinois Education Association Leadership in Action Award and the Western Illinois University Inspiring teach award. Dr. Jeff Messer Dr. Jeffrey I. Messer serves as department chair and faculty in exercise physiology for the Exercise Science Department at Mesa Community College, Mesa, Arizona. Dr. Messer has published research in Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise, The American Journal of Physiology and The Journal of Applied Physiology. Most recently, Dr. Messer and co-authors published a 2016 paper entitled “A Simple Hydraulic Analog Model of Oxidative Phosphorylation.” Dr. Messer applies his passion for teaching and scholarly inquiry through his strong involvement in coaching both interscholastic endurance athletes and, periodically, pre-secondary and post-collegiate endurance athletes. Dr. Messer has been recognized by the United States Track-&-Field and Cross-Country Coaches Association as the 2016 National Girls High School Cross-Country Coach-of-the-Year. From 2006 – 2012, Dr. Messer served as co-head coach for cross-country and assistant coach (distance) for track-&-field at Xavier College Preparatory, Phoenix, Arizona. The Xavier College Preparatory cross-country program earned six consecutive (2007 – 2012) Arizona high school girl’s state cross-country championships. During the three-year period from 2010 – 2012, the Xavier College Preparatory cross-country program concluded the associated cross-country seasons ranked 22nd, 8th, and 21st in the United States. During the 2012 Arizona high school track-&-field season, Xavier College Preparatory had twelve (12) student-athletes average 5:13 for the 1,600-meter distance. In February 2013, Dr. Messer began to serve as head coach for girl’s cross-country and assistant coach (girls’ distance) for track-&-field at Desert Vista High School, Phoenix, Arizona. The Desert Vista High School girls’ cross-country program earned the 2013, 2014, and 2016 Arizona high school girls’ state cross-country championship. In late-May 2014, the Desert Vista High School girls’ distance program was ranked by MileSplit US as one of only two girls’ high school track-&-field programs in the United States with “top ten” groups in each of the 800-m, 1,600-m, and 3,200-m events. In December 2014, the Desert Vista High School girls’ cross-country program finished fifth (5th) at the Nike National High School Cross-Country Championship and thus concluded the 2014 high school cross-country season as the fifth (5th) ranked high school cross-country team in the United States. More recently, the Desert Vista High School girls’ cross-country program finished sixth (6th) at the 2016 Nike National High School Cross-Country Championship. Subsequent to the 2016 high school cross-country season, Dr. Messer retired from his head coaching endeavors in order to expand his community college leadership pursuits. Most recently, Dr. Messer returned and transitioned to the Desert Vista boys’ distance program as a volunteer assistant for the 2017 cross-country season. The Desert Vista High School boys’ cross-country program earned its first opportunity to compete at and ultimately finished eighth (8th) at the 2017 Nike National High School Cross-Country Championship. During the 2018 and 2019 Arizona high school cross-country seasons, Dr. Messer served as a volunteer assistant for the Desert Vista High School girls’ and boys’ cross-country programs. Additionally, Dr. Messer serves as the coach for professional runner Jessica Tonn. Miss Tonn recently finished as national runner-up at the October 2019 USA Track-&-Field 5-K Championships and hopes to compete at the 2020 U.S. Olympic Team Track-&-Field Trials. Jeff Boelé Jeff has a unique background as a coach. In his near 20-year career, he has worked with middle school, high school, collegiate, professional, and masters athletes. With a background as an endurance athlete, Jeff got his start coaching distance athletes at Greenville College in Greenville, IL in the summer of 2000. Upon moving to Boulder, CO in 2005, Jeff's coaching exploits started to diversify. He started working with a small group of post-collegiate athletes and eventually began helping at Lyons middle/senior high school (Lyons, CO) a few years later. It was at Lyons that Jeff's coaching acumen was refined. Brought on to coach the high jump, Jeff took the challenge of becoming a great jumps coach seriously, and that meant taking a deep dive into the speed/power world. Eventually, Jeff handled programming for the cross country team and all event groups (sprint, jump, throw, distance) for the track and field team. He had direct oversight of the jumps and distance events. In 2015, Jeff met renowned coach Dan Pfaff at the ALTIS training enclave in Phoenix, AZ. Through this mentorship, Jeff was inspired to pursue a massage therapist license. Becoming a licensed therapist in 2017 was one more skillset Jeff added to his coaching toolbox. The combination of sports therapy, speed/power and endurance training have equipped Jeff well for his current role of working with professional and semi-profession distance athletes in Boulder, CO.
117 minutes | 10 months ago
014 - Tony Holler - Part 1 of 2
Note: Explicit content in this episode. Tony Holler (@pntrack) is the head track coach at Plainfield North High School in the Chicago area. Tony Holler has coached track for 38 years, football for 28, and basketball for 15. In June of 2019, Tony retired after his 38th year of teaching (Chemistry). He remains as the head track coach. Holler’s teams have won three state championships. In 2018, his Plainfield North team swept the sprints in Illinois, winning the 100m, 200m, 4x1, and 4x2, setting new state records in the 100m and 4x1. In 2019, Plainfield North again featured the state champion in both the 100 and 200. Tony Holler and Chris Korfist own the Track Football Consortium, providing education for coaches twice a year (December and June). TFC will expand in 2020 to Dallas (Jan 25-26) and St. Louis (Feb 7-8). Tony Holler is the originator of “Feed the Cats” and speaks at clinics and seminars from coast to coast. In September of 2019, Holler did a five workshop “Feed the Cats Tour” in England and Ireland, hosted by Jonas Dodoo. Tony Holler produced a track and field video for Championship Productions in 2019, Feed the Cats: A Complete Sprint Training Program. The DVD/VIDEO was the #1 seller of all the videos sold for Championship Productions, ALL SPORTS. Holler is also the author of nearly 200 articles about coaching, high performance, and education.
71 minutes | 10 months ago
013 - Scott Steffen
Scott Steffen is the boy’s and girl’s coach at Concordia Lutheran High School in Fort Wayne, IN. His boys team won the state cross country championship in 2019. Indiana has a single classification championship and Concordia Lutheran has an enrollment of just over 700 students. His boys went on to finish 4th at the NXR in unquestionably one of the toughest regions. In this podcast Scott talks about the challenges of coaching at a small school and the challenges of having a small team. Scott is a member of all three seasons of High School Running Coach and he talks about how that resource, and Jay’s Fundamentals Education course, have impacted his coaching. Finally, go to CoachJayJohnson.com and the Coach Runners Podcast page to find a link to the notes for this episode. Included in this episode are transcribed excerpts of the highlights of this episode. Enjoy!
15 minutes | 10 months ago
012 - Jay Johnson - New Format
Just a quick update to let you know that a new episode will be released every Monday. Most episodes will be interviews, but every so often Jay will do a Q&A. Jay goes into a bit of detail about the 2020 Boulder Running Clinics, which is an example of the only ads that will be on the podcast - ventures that help Jay keep the podcast going. Please join his email list by going to coachjayjohnson.com. If you have a question that you'd like him to answer on the podcast please send it to firstname.lastname@example.org with "podcast" in the subject line. Finally, if you're on iTunes and would be willing to rate the podcast that would be greatly appreciated.
113 minutes | a year ago
011 - Jessie Magoto
Jessie Magoto is my guest on this week’s podcast. She is the girl's coach at Minster HS in Minster OH, a town of 3,000 people. Minster has won four state championships in a row in cross country and won the track championship 2019. She has coached at Minster for 21 years. She coaches Sunni Olding who finished 10th and 5th at the Footlocker nationals. In this podcast we talk about the importance of athleticism and why she has her girls in the weight room. She strongly believes is one of the keys to her team’s success. Jessie is speaking at the 2020 Boulder running clinics and I asked her how she approaches clinics and how she uses information from a clinic in her program. I’m very fortunate to work with Jessie at the Boulder Running Camps and we talk about her experience as a staff member and as a coach who brings her team to the camp. It’s always fun to interview a friend and I hope you enjoy this podcast as much as I enjoyed recording it.
76 minutes | a year ago
010 - Kim O'Malley
Kim O’Malley is a Youth Development Specialist with 20 years of experience designing and delivering leadership curriculum in a wide range of settings. Kim has been a public high school teacher, head cross-country and track coach, an outdoor trip leader, a parent education facilitator and a professional development coach, blogger, public speaker, mom, and seasoned ultra-marathoner. Kim’s coaching career began as an undergraduate student at Northwestern University when upon discovering the university lacked a running program- started her own. She co-founded Northwestern’s running club, served as its president and coach, and eventually elevated the program to varsity status at which it remains today. Kim has successfully led large co-ed cross-country and track programs with diverse populations in California and Colorado. She led the North Monterey County girls’ cross-country team to the first sectional championships for any girl’s program in the school’s history while focusing on holistic coaching practices that prioritized personal wellness, character development, and leadership. As a program manager for the national non-profit organization Girls Leadership and a curriculum specialist for the Girl’s Athletic Leadership School network ( GALS INC), Kim is committed to equipping teachers, coaches, parents and students with the tools they need to bring holistic, relationship-based teaching and learning into the arena. Kim’s career reflects her life-long passion for connecting leadership, athleticism, and social-emotional development. In this interview Kim discusses how coaches can “coach the whole athlete,” a topic Kim will cover in detail at the 2020 Boulder Running Clinics. She also discusses Social Emotional Learning and how coaches can use that framework when working with their athletes.
145 minutes | a year ago
009 - Alex Ostberg
Alex Ostberg is currently entering his 5th year at Stanford University, where he has been an All-American in both cross country and track. This podcast is rooted in a presentation Alex did at the 2019 Boulder Running Camps titled, "The Ten Things I Wish I Knew As A High School Runner." Alex is passionate about both the sport and helping high school athletes improve, which makes this podcast is a must-listen for high school coaches and athletes. Alex has been running competitively for 11 years and has developed a passion for understanding the physiological, emotional, and psychological demands of running. He competed for 2 years in middle school with the Wilton Running Club. After that, Alex ran for Darien High school where he set 6 state records. He was a two-time qualifier at Footlocker Nationals, and the Northeast Footlocker Regional Champion in 2014. These performances earned him the Connecticut Gatorade Player of the Year twice. In track, Alex was the Penn Relays 3000m champion in 2015 and the 2014 New Balance Outdoor Nationals champion. He finished his high school career with PRs of 4:06 (1600), 8:43 (3200), and 14:16 (5K). Alex was recruited to Stanford University where he has competed for 4 years and is entering his fifth year. He has steadily improved on his performances with four NCAA All-American certificates. He has excelled on the cross country circuit, placing 16th and 13th in the past two NCAA XC Championships. On the track his PRs currently stand at 3:59 (mile), 7:51 (3K), and 13:42 5K. In 2018, Alex was elected by his peers to serve as captain of the Stanford Track Team. In addition to his training, Alex has developed a passion for learning about the science behind training and peak performance. He is pursuing a bachelors degree in Human Biology with an emphasis on Exercise Physiology and will also be getting a minor in Psychology. He has had the opportunity to be a TA for 4 different Stanford classes, including Exercise Physiology, Exercise and Aging, Clinical Anatomy, and EMT class. One day, when his competitive aspirations are over, Alex aspires to be a coach himself.
80 minutes | a year ago
008 - Dr. Rebecca Breslow
Dr. Rebecca Breslow is a Sports Medicine physician in Boston, Massachusetts. She has specific interests in running and road race medicine, non-operative treatment of musculoskeletal injuries, sports injury prevention, fitness and exercise. A graduate of Yale University, Dr. Breslow did her medical training at Harvard Medical School and Brigham and Women's Hospital. An internist by training, she joined the faculty of Brigham and Women's Hospital in 2010. Dr. Breslow is a life-long runner, and successfully competed on the local and regional Masters road racing circuit in the Boston area. She subsequently became a USA Track & Field coach and a certified personal trainer through the National Academy of Sports Medicine. In 2014, she founded Run Strong Studio, a training facility in Brookline, Massachusetts, and ultimately completed a Sports Medicine Fellowship at Boston Children’s Hospital. Dr. Breslow volunteers on the Sports Medicine and Science Committee and National Team Medical Staff of USA Track & Field, and is a volunteer physician for many local road races and track and field events. She currently practices in the Sports Medicine Division of the Department of Orthopaedic Surgery at Brigham and Women’s Hospital.
43 minutes | a year ago
007 - Tonya McDonough
Tonya McDonough is the girls cross country and distance coach at Iowa City Liberty High School in Iowa City, Iowa. This conversation focuses on summer training for high school girls, specifically Tonya’s three juniors who want to make a jump this summer. The starting point for the conversation is a brief overview of the concepts she learned in Jay’s Fundamentals Education Course, then the two go in-depth about factors that must be considered regarding summer training: heat and humidity, volume, the importance of strides and non-running work, the importance of the long run and the importance being mindful of the girl’s long-term development, given that they all want to run in college. For information about Jay’s Fundamentals Education Course visit CoachJayJohnson.com. Enjoy!
48 minutes | 2 years ago
006 - Howard Russ
Howard Russ just completed his 11th season as men’s and women’s head coach for Beavercreek High School in Beavercreek, Ohio, a suburb of Dayton. In 2018, Russ’s girls won their first OHSAA Division One state championship, and Russ had his first state champion individual with junior Taylor Ewert. Ewert is a 4-time All-American including a 3rd place finish at NXN and 4th place at Footlocker in 2018. She was also the New Balance Outdoor National champion in 2000 meter steeplechase in 2018. In this interview, Howard shares how he's used the information from High School Running Coach and the Boulder Running Clinics to inform his training and improve as a coach. He talks about Timo Mostert's 2-mile power runs, and Dan Iverson's distinction between goals and targets. Just two of Howard's take-home messages from these two resources. Thanks Howard for taking the time to talk. Learn how to become a member of High School Running Coach here. If you would like to purchase the videos from the Boulder Clinics 2018 High School clinic click here.
149 minutes | 2 years ago
005 - Tony Holler
Tony Holler is the boy's track coach at Plainfield North H.S. (IL). In 2018 Coach Holler's team swept the sprints - 4x100m, 4x200m, 100m, 200m - at the IHSA State Meet, setting two state records. He’s been coaching high school athletes for 38 years. Tony is the owner of “Feed the Cats,” a system for training sprinters that is being implemented throughout the United States by high school track coaches. He is also the co-owner of Track Football Consortium, a site where he not only writes on the topic of sprinting, but he’s also written articles on distance running, such as the profile of John O’Malley (episode 002), which you can read it here. In this interview we go into detail about the elements Coach Holler uses with his sprinters that he believes distance coaches should be implementing. There are some specific questions, such as how he views someone like Peter Snell doing 20-mile long runs as part of middle distance training. He’s got a great answer to that question. Tony and I discuss what needs to be done to improve track and field in the United States - a subject that may well deserve a follow-up episode. Thank you, Tony, for your time and energy. You can find Coach Holler on Twitter at @pntrack
111 minutes | 2 years ago
004 - Jeff Messer
Dr. Jeff Messer serves as department chair for the Exercise Science Department at Mesa Community College, Mesa, Arizona. Dr. Messer also serves as a volunteer assistant coach for boys' cross-country and track-&-field at Desert Vista High School, Phoenix, AZ. In addition, Dr. Messer serves as a personal coach for professional runner Jessica Tonn. Dr. Messer is the former head coach for girls' cross-country at Xavier College Preparatory (Phoenix, AZ.) and Desert Vista High School. In this interview, we discuss post-workout nutrition, mitochondrial quality, how Dr. Messer ensures neuromuscular training is part of every training session, and what his longer practices - the 2 hours and 45-minute sessions entail. I'm fortunate to call Dr. Messer a friend and I hope you enjoy listening to this interview as much as I enjoyed recording it. This episode of the Coaching Runners podcast is brought to you by the Fundamentals Education Course and the Boulder Running Clinics. Two great resources for coaches who are looking to take their program to the next level. If you have questions or comments about the show, please email me - Jay@CoachJayJohnson.com
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