53 minutes | Jun 26th 2020

EP.41: MISTAKES WERE MADE: CAROL TAVRIS AND ELLIOT ARONSON ON LEARNING THE ERROR OF OUR WAYS

"The greater the mistake, the more foolish the belief, the more consequences of that belief...Then, the greater your need to reduce that dissonance in your favor because the gap is greater between yourself and feelings of self worth" - Carol Tavris 

On this podcast, we talk about what happens after we make a terrible mistake. What is our response to our mistakes? Do we try to brush it off? Do we say screw it and double down? 

Mistakes don't necessarily end with the mistake itself - it can get worse, much worse. 

It's akin to the axiom for failure testing software; 

Almost all catastrophic errors are the result of incorrect handling of non-fatal errors that are explicitly signaled. 

Consider Bill Clinton. It is arguable that had he admitted to his relationship with Monica Lewinsky early and contritely, he would have avoided a 4-month long impeachment process - and embarrassing testimony recorded for posterity. 

Or we can get better, we can learn and grow from our mistakes. 

But that takes admission along with taking responsibility so that we don't make the same mistake again. 

This podcast explains why that's so hard to do. 

My guests are Carol Tavris and Elliot Aronson. They co-authored the book "Mistakes Were Made (but Not by Me): Why We Justify Foolish Beliefs, Bad Decisions and Hurtful Acts" The book, and our conversation, is about cognitive dissonance theory applied to a wide variety of topics, including politics, religious belief, memory, criminal justice, and even family quarrels. 

Carol is an American social psychologist, public intellectual, well-known writer, and lecturer. She's devoted her career to the psychological sciences; the beliefs and practices that guide people's lives. Carol has a Ph.D. in social psychology from the University of Michigan, has taught psychology at the University of California, Los Angeles and the New School for Social Research. Carol is also a member of the editorial board of Psychological Science in the Public Interest. Her articles, book reviews, and op-eds have appeared in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, the Los Angeles Times, The Times Literary Supplement, Scientific American and other publications.

Elliot Aronson is one of the most famous names in the discipline of social psychology due in no small part to his best book, The Social Animal. He is listed among the 100 most eminent psychologists of the 20th century. He has taught at Harvard University, the University of Minnesota, the University of Texas, and is currently professor emeritus of psychology at the University of California, Santa Cruz. 

This was an easy conversation as Carol and Elliot are both so very likable. I told them that if I had to tell someone about my mistakes, it would be them, as they came across as genuinely caring. 

I think you'll agree. 

Our conversation covers these topics and more. 

  • Why people might justify bad decisions. 
  • Cognitive dissonance
  • The pyramid of choice
  • Faulty memory 
  • Keeping beliefs against revealed evidence 
  • Dealing with our bad memories
  • How to learn from mistakes 
  • Cancel culture 
  • Partitioning mistakes from persons
  • Anatomy of an apology 

Enjoy!

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