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21 minutes | 20 days ago
Episode 15 - Dr. Joanna Alfaro (Director of Pro Delphinus)
Welcome to the Beyond Your Research Degree podcast from the University of Exeter Doctoral College! The podcast about careers and all the opportunities available to you... beyond your research degree! In this episode Kelly Preece, Researcher Development Manager talks Dr. Joanna Alfaro, a University of Exeter doctoral graduate who is now the Director of the Peruvian conservation organisation Pro Delphinus. Music from https://filmmusic.io ’Cheery Monday’ by Kevin MacLeod (https://incompetech.com) License: CC BY (https://creativecommons.org/licenses Podcast transcript 1 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:23,270 Hello and welcome to the Beyond Your Research Degree podcast by the University of Exeter, Doctoral College 2 00:00:23,270 --> 00:00:28,070 Hello and welcome to the latest episode of Beyond Your Research Degree. I'm your host, Kelly Preece 3 00:00:28,070 --> 00:00:32,150 And for this episode, I'm delighted to be talking to Dr Joanna Alfaro, 4 00:00:32,150 --> 00:00:38,090 who is the president and director of the Peruvian conservation organisation Pro Delphinus 5 00:00:38,090 --> 00:00:41,780 So, Joanna. Are you happy to introduce yourself? Yeah. 6 00:00:41,780 --> 00:00:45,770 Well, my name is Joanna Alfaro and I am Peruvian. 7 00:00:45,770 --> 00:00:57,290 I work in Pro Delphinus and Universidad Científica del Sur. So in 2008 I joined in the programme for PhD 8 00:00:57,290 --> 00:01:03,380 My advisor was Brendan Godley and Annette Broderick at Exeter 9 00:01:03,380 --> 00:01:16,670 And I was. That's probably my favourite years as being back a student in the U.K., a dream that I was able to fulfil. 10 00:01:16,670 --> 00:01:25,460 And for my the theme of my PhD was ecology and conservation of marine turtles. 11 00:01:25,460 --> 00:01:34,270 And that was also great because it allowed me to to apply the knowledge and the 12 00:01:34,270 --> 00:01:41,080 experience that I got to working with sea turtles in Peru towards my PhD. 13 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,210 It's brilliant. Thank you. And what are you doing now? 14 00:01:45,210 --> 00:01:56,700 So when did you graduate? So the though after the PhD, the I was able to to be back at home and and keep working. 15 00:01:56,700 --> 00:02:04,710 And what I love, which is marine conservation. So the projects we we have right now are focus. 16 00:02:04,710 --> 00:02:13,470 It was a very interesting transition because we started our careers being a species oriented. 17 00:02:13,470 --> 00:02:21,330 And by that I mean that I was I love dolphins and whales and sea turtles. 18 00:02:21,330 --> 00:02:25,110 So that was my interest. But we learnt over time. 19 00:02:25,110 --> 00:02:34,880 And and my PhD was a big lesson learnt that is not only about the animals that we were, 20 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:42,360 that we're when we're working with animals, we should also look at the people that is related to the animals. 21 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:49,630 So in my case, these people were fishermen. And mostly small-scale fishermen. 22 00:02:49,630 --> 00:02:59,020 And so the the the current work we do now is trying to support fishermen, to keep fishing. 23 00:02:59,020 --> 00:03:09,520 But in a more clean way, in a sustainable way, in a way that they can keep fishing for the for many, 24 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:15,010 many years to come, but also in a way that we are helping animals. 25 00:03:15,010 --> 00:03:23,300 And in this case, it'll be the ones that we have this passion for the dolphins, the whales, the sea turtles. 26 00:03:23,300 --> 00:03:33,580 So it's it's a very good combination to be able to to be in the middle between biodiversity 27 00:03:33,580 --> 00:03:43,600 and economic activities as fisheries and also communities and engaging the main users, 28 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:54,900 which are fishermen. That's great and really interesting how, like you say, that you've moved from thinking about particular species to. 29 00:03:54,900 --> 00:04:05,550 To fishermen. And that sort of shift in focus. So can you tell me a little bit about when you were doing your PhD? 30 00:04:05,550 --> 00:04:10,110 Did you know that you want to move on to this kind of role? Oh, yes. 31 00:04:10,110 --> 00:04:18,360 Well, that's a great question. And that's a question that I mention when when I have the chance. 32 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:28,910 When we started the PhD, we had no idea that we will end up working with fisheries and with people. 33 00:04:28,910 --> 00:04:35,400 And I think that's an idea that a lot of young people start with. 34 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:46,950 I mean, you go with with with this love for the ocean and the creatures, but then it's it's important to realise that it's. 35 00:04:46,950 --> 00:04:56,310 It will give you have to become useful. It's a bad way to say it, but you have to become useful for society. 36 00:04:56,310 --> 00:05:02,700 And and it's great if you can, because, well, that's a role we all have. 37 00:05:02,700 --> 00:05:13,050 But but it and in a way, our careers as researchers and biologists are key to to to make this transition 38 00:05:13,050 --> 00:05:22,260 between nature and wildlife and maintain the livelihoods of of people like fishermen, 39 00:05:22,260 --> 00:05:28,820 in my case, for example. So can you tell me a bit more about. 40 00:05:28,820 --> 00:05:36,620 The conservation organisation you work for. And what kind of what sort of work that you're doing and how you're drawing on 41 00:05:36,620 --> 00:05:46,170 your experience as a as a researcher and and particularly during your PhD 42 00:05:46,170 --> 00:05:55,150 Yes, sure. So my PhD was on sea turtles and most of my chapters had to be on sea turtles. 43 00:05:55,150 --> 00:06:01,710 And I did my PhD with my husband, which is which it was a great challenge. 44 00:06:01,710 --> 00:06:10,340 At some point, we were we were sharing the same. 45 00:06:10,340 --> 00:06:14,830 Stress, and it's but we made it through somehow. 46 00:06:14,830 --> 00:06:20,680 And the we are we can we evolve from being a species oriented. 47 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:25,000 So my my focus was marine turtles 48 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:32,290 workingwith Brendan and and my husband was working on seabirds and marine mammals. 49 00:06:32,290 --> 00:06:41,380 So we shifted a little bit once being back at home in Pery to work to to apply what we learnt and 50 00:06:41,380 --> 00:06:49,030 apply it to improve fisheries and support fishermen to continue to be able to continue fishing. 51 00:06:49,030 --> 00:06:54,820 So that has changed just slightly or like I don't know. 52 00:06:54,820 --> 00:07:00,310 And the thing is, that is it continues changing, especially now with COVID 53 00:07:00,310 --> 00:07:05,770 Some of our work at Pro Delphinus has changed dramatically. 54 00:07:05,770 --> 00:07:15,400 We can no longer go to the field. We do most of the stuff by phone call or Zoom or Whatsapp 55 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:26,470 So we are where we see changes in our work during the the latest circumstances of of health worldwide. 56 00:07:26,470 --> 00:07:31,870 And that's the fun part of it. I think the to be constant changing. 57 00:07:31,870 --> 00:07:36,220 I think it it brings challenges is not always the same. 58 00:07:36,220 --> 00:07:44,500 Every day there is something new that we are learning, but it's is where we are enjoying this. 59 00:07:44,500 --> 00:07:57,490 Right. Really. And Pro Delphinus there is we have perhaps over 20 people on the staff and we keep growing, which is very good. 60 00:07:57,490 --> 00:08:05,110 And each of them have an interest and that's the that's what it reaches the the environment 61 00:08:05,110 --> 00:08:11,890 we work in because somebody else may be interested in the social side of the work we do. 62 00:08:11,890 --> 00:08:21,210 Somebody else could be interested in the economics of it. So it's it's I'm enjoying it. 63 00:08:21,210 --> 00:08:22,410 It sounds amazing. 64 00:08:22,410 --> 00:08:30,880 And not only kind of really rewarding work, but also incredibly diverse in the different things that you're gonna be doing, especially. 65 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:37,770 And, you know, as a result of the COVID 19 pandemic and the impact that that's had on all, you know, the ways, everybody's way of working. 66 00:08:37,770 --> 00:08:42,300 So you won an award. Last October. 67 00:08:42,300 --> 00:08:48,130 Did you not Peru's highest award for conservation? Can you tell us a little bit about that. 68 00:08:48,130 --> 00:08:59,420 Oh, man, that was fun. That was that was unexpected. So they they sent me an email saying, the name of the award is Carlos Ponce 69 00:08:59,420 --> 00:09:05,080 Premio para la Conservacion which is a very renown prize 70 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:16,160 And for Peru, for people working in conservation in Peru. The organisers is a group a consortium is Conservation International. 71 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:25,810 WCS, Pronaturaleza these organisations have worked for a long time in Peru. 72 00:09:25,810 --> 00:09:37,360 And when with with the e-mail when I answered, I said yes, but I haven't applied to this award and I had no idea. 73 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:42,340 And then the lady. Well, when I was notified, it was a big surprise. 74 00:09:42,340 --> 00:09:51,460 I enjoyed it a lot. The ceremony was by Zoom and that was that was very different. 75 00:09:51,460 --> 00:09:56,830 But it was very moving. And for me personally was very moving. 76 00:09:56,830 --> 00:10:05,050 And for Pro Delphinus, I think the staff really enjoy it because it's not an award for a person. 77 00:10:05,050 --> 00:10:11,710 But to, in my opinion, is an award for an organisation that has over two decades working. 78 00:10:11,710 --> 00:10:18,540 So it was it was a very nice recognition for our work. 79 00:10:18,540 --> 00:10:27,000 Absolutely. Could you tell me a bit more about how Pro Delphinus started? 80 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:32,460 Yes. Well, Pro Delphinus started to so. 81 00:10:32,460 --> 00:10:38,310 The father, the mother of Pro Delphinus, called Sipek whi is a 82 00:10:38,310 --> 00:10:40,350 a private organisation, 83 00:10:40,350 --> 00:10:53,340 a group of biologists and veterinarians living in Pucusana and working in marine mammals back in 1990s and towards the end of the 90s. 84 00:10:53,340 --> 00:11:02,670 They decided to to be more inclusive for for students and volunteers. 85 00:11:02,670 --> 00:11:08,850 And that was the start of Pro Delphinus and for for their early years. 86 00:11:08,850 --> 00:11:15,760 We didn't do much. But in 2003, we started strong. 87 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:26,500 It was the year that we applied for a few grants and we got them all, which was a very nice surprise and a great challenge. 88 00:11:26,500 --> 00:11:32,080 We we started growing slowly. We have been growing organically. 89 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:38,570 I want to say over the years, right now, I think we probably have. 90 00:11:38,570 --> 00:11:43,070 Ten projects and two are big. 91 00:11:43,070 --> 00:11:47,940 One is to focus on sustainable fisheries. 92 00:11:47,940 --> 00:11:54,560 The small scale and the although the other one is for leatherback turtles. 93 00:11:54,560 --> 00:12:08,030 Conservation. And and I want to take the chance to to mention that the population of Eastern leatherback pacific turtles are doing very bad. 94 00:12:08,030 --> 00:12:18,740 So there's a bunch of countries from Mexico to Chile working on improve the conservation of this species to avoid extinction. 95 00:12:18,740 --> 00:12:24,170 This is one of the species that is highly impacted and nesting sites and at sea. 96 00:12:24,170 --> 00:12:35,090 So this project is all about Leatherbacks and working with to reduce bycatch and the water. 97 00:12:35,090 --> 00:12:42,600 And is this work with turtles that led you to become involved in Pro Delphinus or 98 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:54,150 Was it the fisheries work? It was my my work at Pro Delphinus started with marine mammals, and it started with dolphins because. 99 00:12:54,150 --> 00:13:03,330 Because then when I was a student in the 90's, dolphins were brought to shore and my. 100 00:13:03,330 --> 00:13:14,140 But if you ask me what I thought. My thoughts about a young student I wanted so badly to work with dolphins. 101 00:13:14,140 --> 00:13:23,180 It was my dream. So this group that accepted me as a volunteer, Sipek, they worked with dolphins. 102 00:13:23,180 --> 00:13:26,210 So I went there and started volunteer and. 103 00:13:26,210 --> 00:13:40,060 But I had no idea that all the dolphins were going to be dead because they brought them from the fisheries interactions to shore and. 104 00:13:40,060 --> 00:13:46,450 So it started with dolphins and then they evolved and move on to turtles. 105 00:13:46,450 --> 00:13:52,360 Because as I was observing dolphins, it was the same issue with turtles. 106 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:59,770 One day we went to a port and there was leatherback turtle laying on this Scarapas 107 00:13:59,770 --> 00:14:08,260 And that was a pretty shocking image. Luckily, we don't see that anymore these days. 108 00:14:08,260 --> 00:14:14,230 But that was the start of my interest on sea turtles. 109 00:14:14,230 --> 00:14:26,820 And I was had had been very rewarding. In fact, the project we have that I just mentioned on leatherback turtles is trying to. 110 00:14:26,820 --> 00:14:37,130 distribute LED light which have proved to help reduce the bycatch of sea turtles. 111 00:14:37,130 --> 00:14:44,960 And with this project, we can hand them, the fishermen, to have them in their nets to avoid 112 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:53,110 The entanglement of the turtles. And reduce mortality, hopefully. 113 00:14:53,110 --> 00:14:58,690 You're currently the director at Pro Delphinus. Did you. 114 00:14:58,690 --> 00:15:05,450 Did you go straight into that position after your you completed your PhD 115 00:15:05,450 --> 00:15:25,270 No. No. I started volunteering and my volunteer was cleaning floors, dusting bones, picking up buckets of guts of Dolphin. 116 00:15:25,270 --> 00:15:32,720 My volutneer was pretty rough, and I think it was good. 117 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:45,140 I'm very grateful that it was a rough start because there was a test in my mind was a test and probably in the mind of my my bosses on that time. 118 00:15:45,140 --> 00:15:52,430 So I started as a volunteer cleaning, mostly helping in everything. 119 00:15:52,430 --> 00:15:57,230 And then I became a junior researcher. 120 00:15:57,230 --> 00:16:08,210 And then from there, an assistant researcher. And then now I'm the director of Pro Delphinus, which is very different. 121 00:16:08,210 --> 00:16:16,090 But I still clean. So really a case of sort of getting involved with the organisation from the ground up. 122 00:16:16,090 --> 00:16:29,130 Yes. Yes. And that has been good. I am I'm happy that it was started that way, because now I can I can place myself in the shoes of the volunteers. 123 00:16:29,130 --> 00:16:40,880 And and and I, I work my way up, which which was has been a rewarding feel is. 124 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:46,070 So could you tell me kind of like what your typical day is like? 125 00:16:46,070 --> 00:16:51,050 I know the answer is going to be there isn't one Yeah, sure. 126 00:16:51,050 --> 00:16:54,430 My typical day has changed now. 127 00:16:54,430 --> 00:16:59,240 And there were a lot of sitting. A lot of computer time. 128 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:10,850 But before that. And that's because of COVID then because the office is partially closed, we are starting to go but not many hours and et cetera. 129 00:17:10,850 --> 00:17:17,960 But my normal day before COVID was a little bit more fun. 130 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:25,250 Most of my days will be meetings with government officers or in some occasions I also 131 00:17:25,250 --> 00:17:31,820 go to fishing ports because I don't want to lose the connection of with the field. 132 00:17:31,820 --> 00:17:43,220 If somebody asked me in my job, I want to be able to tell them from experience what I have been observing and respond with the experience. 133 00:17:43,220 --> 00:17:47,420 So the contact with the field and fishermen, it's important to me. 134 00:17:47,420 --> 00:17:56,830 So I will go I will combine meetings, office time with some travelling and. 135 00:17:56,830 --> 00:18:02,350 And some and phone calls, a lot of phone calls, too. We write a lot of papers. 136 00:18:02,350 --> 00:18:11,110 We we work on that. That's our most precious. 137 00:18:11,110 --> 00:18:20,290 Give give back to society and to academia and to the country that has this has been the focus. 138 00:18:20,290 --> 00:18:25,750 Last year we did over 20 papers, the year before I think 18. 139 00:18:25,750 --> 00:18:29,590 So we're we're good. The staff is great about that. 140 00:18:29,590 --> 00:18:34,040 They're really into research and publishing. 141 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:47,230 And that sounds such a varied day and a varied kind of type of work in terms of advocacy and being in the field, writing papers and, you know, 142 00:18:47,230 --> 00:18:51,730 still having that really important kind of academic research contribution, 143 00:18:51,730 --> 00:18:57,890 as well as the wider kind of contribution that you're making to conservation. 144 00:18:57,890 --> 00:19:02,840 Sounds like a fantastic kind of combination. I wonder if we can sort of. 145 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:07,490 To finish up what advice you have for anyone who is currently doing PhD 146 00:19:07,490 --> 00:19:15,450 Who wants to. Pursue a career in the kind of conservation organisation that you're working in. 147 00:19:15,450 --> 00:19:24,870 Mm hmm. Yeah, well, the advice in general will be if you have a topic that is of your interest. 148 00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:29,290 That's great. But if you don't, it will come up. 149 00:19:29,290 --> 00:19:35,430 It will come up at some point and you will identify something that is really interesting for you. 150 00:19:35,430 --> 00:19:44,250 So don't worry if you don't have that passion that that some people do at early age and take 151 00:19:44,250 --> 00:19:53,550 opportunities as they come to experiment and try different things within your career and out of your career, 152 00:19:53,550 --> 00:20:04,890 because sometimes you can combine things that are not specifically related to biology or research. 153 00:20:04,890 --> 00:20:12,000 And if you're thinking about working in an NGO is this is great. 154 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:18,270 I mean, for us has been great. I know it's challenging because you have to look for your own funds. 155 00:20:18,270 --> 00:20:29,070 But the early years are difficult. And then it becomes smoother as your expertise, as you develop your expertise. 156 00:20:29,070 --> 00:20:38,880 And combining that with PhD had been for us a great step in our careers, in our lives. 157 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:50,240 We still collaborate with Brendan So we build a little network in Exeter and that I hope it continues over time. 158 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:58,360 And and and and I'm looking forward for what's coming in the future. 159 00:20:58,360 --> 00:21:09,160 Thank you so much to Joanna for taking the time out to talk about the really exciting and important work that she's doing. 160 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:24,884 And that's it for this episode. Join us next time when we'll be talking to another researcher about their career beyond their research degree.
43 minutes | 2 months ago
Episode 14 - Dr, Heather Hind and Dr. Philippa Earle (Digital Learning Developers at the University of Exeter)
Welcome to the Beyond Your Research Degree podcast from the University of Exeter Doctoral College! The podcast about careers and all the opportunities available to you... beyond your research degree! In this episode Kelly Preece, Researcher Development Manager talks Dr. Heather Hind and Dr. Philippa Earle, who are doctoral graduates from English currently work as Digital Learning Developers in the College of Medicine and Health at the University of Exeter. Music from https://filmmusic.io ’Cheery Monday’ by Kevin MacLeod (https://incompetech.com) License: CC BY (https://creativecommons.org/licenses Podcast transcript 1 00:00:10,890 --> 00:00:23,400 Hello and welcome to the Beyond Your Research Degree podcast by the University of Exeter Doctoral College 2 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:28,320 Hello, and a warm welcome to another episode of Beyond Your Research Degree. 3 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,560 I'm Kelly Preece, the research development manager in the Doctoral College, 4 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:38,670 and I'm continuing episodes on the theme of getting jobs and moving forward with your career. 5 00:00:38,670 --> 00:00:44,190 During COVID 19, by talking to actually in this episode, two of our doctoral graduates. 6 00:00:44,190 --> 00:00:50,880 So Dr Philippa Earle and Dr Heather Huind both of whom did their PhDs in English but are now working in professional 7 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:58,320 services roles at the University of Exeter in roles that were created in response to the COVID 19 pandemic. 8 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,880 So Heather and Philippa, are you happy to introduce yourselves? I'm Dr Heather Hind 9 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:10,860 I did my PhD in English literature, specifically Victorian literature and things that the Victorians made out of human hair. 10 00:01:10,860 --> 00:01:20,610 And I finished in while I handed in in March 2020, just before the first lockdown's started and had my viva last year. 11 00:01:20,610 --> 00:01:26,970 And since then, I've been working for the university as a digital learning developer for the College of Medicine and Health. 12 00:01:26,970 --> 00:01:34,090 So I'm Dr Philippa Earle I finished my PhD at Exeter in. 13 00:01:34,090 --> 00:01:41,350 Summer of 2018. It seems a long time ago now. And my thesis was on John Milton. 14 00:01:41,350 --> 00:01:47,800 And I'm really interested in his material philosophy, which is commonly called monism. 15 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:52,600 And so I've kind of been floating around since then, doing various things. 16 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:58,590 I'd really like to get into academia. I really enjoy teaching. 17 00:01:58,590 --> 00:02:04,650 I have done some casual teaching since then to different roles at different universities, 18 00:02:04,650 --> 00:02:10,680 and I then came into doing this digital learning development role kind of last September. 19 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:17,100 So I was kind of last minute recruits and it kind of slotted in working with Heather. 20 00:02:17,100 --> 00:02:22,560 That's fabulous. Like you say, probably it's useful just to start with, kind of back it up, back a little bit. 21 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:30,110 What a digital learning developer is. And I think particularly as well how these roles have. 22 00:02:30,110 --> 00:02:35,670 It evolved because of the situation with the current pandemic. 23 00:02:35,670 --> 00:02:41,730 And so when they were first advertised, I think I applied last June, 24 00:02:41,730 --> 00:02:47,320 I think I started my application the week before my viva, and then I had the interview the week after my viva. 25 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:54,390 Wow. Yes, it was the time. It was honestly really fortuitous for me as it worked out. 26 00:02:54,390 --> 00:03:02,610 But they were advertised as roles to support the shift to online teaching during the pandemic. 27 00:03:02,610 --> 00:03:04,650 And to think what the job description said. 28 00:03:04,650 --> 00:03:13,680 It said, you know, supporting teaching staff, troubleshooting online issues, helping to develop the virtual learning environment. 29 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:18,300 ELE at Exeter. But it was it was relatively vague. 30 00:03:18,300 --> 00:03:22,950 I don't know if Philippa would agree, but it was, you know, relatively, you know, job speak sort of. 31 00:03:22,950 --> 00:03:27,330 These are all of the possible things that you might be asked to do. Vague. 32 00:03:27,330 --> 00:03:36,780 But as the role has gone on and we've been able to shape it to a certain extent to what sort of support our college needs. 33 00:03:36,780 --> 00:03:41,700 It's been a lot more about kind of project management, checking over modules and quality, 34 00:03:41,700 --> 00:03:47,040 assuring them for the online side of things to make sure that the students are properly supported. 35 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,230 Have all the information they need, 36 00:03:49,230 --> 00:04:00,360 online seminars and lectures and things are running smoothly and that we're continually trying to make things better, innovate, use new digital tools. 37 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:07,560 Yeah, I think I hadn't kind of anticipated quite how much I would learn, I suppose, because I was sort of thinking, well, 38 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:16,650 we were both kind of chucked into the online teaching through the kind of teaching roles we were doing at the time last March. 39 00:04:16,650 --> 00:04:25,950 And I kind of needed something more stable. And these were full time roles, even though they're fixed term. 40 00:04:25,950 --> 00:04:31,350 And yeah, I think Heather and I kind of came at this from a very similar angle, really. 41 00:04:31,350 --> 00:04:39,660 We're both English PhD graduates. Both interested in it and going into academia and. 42 00:04:39,660 --> 00:04:46,860 Yeah. I suppose we kind of thought of this as a way of being sort of resourceful with the kind of options that are out there, 43 00:04:46,860 --> 00:04:52,470 but also having a bit more kind of job security. So, you know, I came to this role thinking, well, 44 00:04:52,470 --> 00:05:00,000 I can bring a little bit of my experience that I've had just from having to sort of fumble your way through and shove everything online last minute, 45 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:09,180 but actually have just learnt so much. And yeah, as has Heather was saying, about kind of quality assurance, different digital tools and the options. 46 00:05:09,180 --> 00:05:14,130 And so actually, I'm I'm really pleased that I've managed to kind of get loads out of this and 47 00:05:14,130 --> 00:05:17,400 not just for kind of improving the quality of the teaching and the college, 48 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:26,400 but also kind of my own understanding of pedagogy and the way that you can kind of support your own teaching with digital tools and what works. 49 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:34,480 It's just been brilliant, really. Yeah, I think it's really interesting to hear you talk about it that way and also the you know, 50 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:39,400 the the fact that it's fitting into a kind of an aim for an academic career path. 51 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:47,380 And because it's it's giving you obviously it's giving you some job stability in the interim, but also, 52 00:05:47,380 --> 00:05:54,770 you know, a real a range of really specialist skills that as a result of the pandemic are going to be. 53 00:05:54,770 --> 00:06:01,040 You know, the way that education is going to change in that inevitably is going to be so highly valued. 54 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:06,470 Moving forward. And I think also, yeah. 55 00:06:06,470 --> 00:06:10,820 Because there is just so much uncertainty. These were advertised as fixed term roles. 56 00:06:10,820 --> 00:06:16,490 And, you know, the university hasn't quite decided what direction they're going in yet, whether they're going to be renewed. 57 00:06:16,490 --> 00:06:21,560 So I think we're both trying to keep an open mind and think, well, this is kind of plan A. 58 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:26,960 But equally, you know, we're quite happy doing these roles and then they're very valuable. 59 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:33,650 So it's a good stepping stone, really. And, you know, it's always good to have a backup plan is knowing the market as it is. 60 00:06:33,650 --> 00:06:41,990 So it's giving us a really good insight into professional services and just the other side of things at the university. 61 00:06:41,990 --> 00:06:50,540 The university structure working within kind of lots of different teams, different, introduced to different kinds of management there. 62 00:06:50,540 --> 00:06:58,620 So, yeah, really good insight. And, you know, opening up kind of alternative possibilities, you know, if Plan A doesn't work out as well. 63 00:06:58,620 --> 00:07:03,740 Yeah, I think that's that's a really, really fantastic way of looking at it and kind of, 64 00:07:03,740 --> 00:07:08,180 you know, all of the various skills that you're going to be developing. 65 00:07:08,180 --> 00:07:16,340 I wondered if you could talk a little bit about. So you both did your PhDs in English and now you're working in medicine. 66 00:07:16,340 --> 00:07:19,820 And I wondered if you could talk a little bit about what that experience is like 67 00:07:19,820 --> 00:07:24,140 and what it's like working in a different college and supporting teaching, 68 00:07:24,140 --> 00:07:25,490 learning in a discipline, you know, 69 00:07:25,490 --> 00:07:34,870 relatively far removed from your own and and what that's like and kind of what you're taking across almost from one subject to another. 70 00:07:34,870 --> 00:07:41,960 And so I think we both applied for this role, but put down our preference for working in humanities. 71 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:50,150 I guess I had I's envisioned it, as, you know, being able to have a hand in the sorts of courses that I would be able to teach or, 72 00:07:50,150 --> 00:07:53,390 you know, captioning the sorts of lectures that I would one day give. 73 00:07:53,390 --> 00:08:01,910 And so I really had it in my mind while I was applying that I really wanted this job in the College of Humanities. 74 00:08:01,910 --> 00:08:09,590 And so when they offered it for the College of Medicine and Health, I was a little bit unsure of what that would involve. 75 00:08:09,590 --> 00:08:17,600 And to what extent I would need some sort of knowledge base for supporting medicine courses, 76 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:26,720 but actually because we we support the postgraduate taught programmes and the continuing professional development programmes. 77 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:32,900 What we've really been able to carry across is our experience of being in postgraduates. 78 00:08:32,900 --> 00:08:40,400 Well, postgraduates, I mean researchers now. But, you know, people that have been through master's courses and know what it's like to go through 79 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:48,170 that very intense year where you move into an even more independent source of learning. 80 00:08:48,170 --> 00:08:53,900 So there's definitely been that that we've been able to carry across. 81 00:08:53,900 --> 00:08:56,090 We haven't needed too much subject specialist knowledge. 82 00:08:56,090 --> 00:09:03,410 Occasionally when we're captioning, we will have to Google some, you know, drug names or some bones or something. 83 00:09:03,410 --> 00:09:10,210 But it's really been about our knowledge of teaching and supporting 84 00:09:10,210 --> 00:09:16,310 Learners, that has really helped us to, for example, look at an ELE module page and say, oh, 85 00:09:16,310 --> 00:09:24,530 actually this assessment brief is not very clear or it's missing some really key information about this or the prereading for this course is, 86 00:09:24,530 --> 00:09:29,120 you know, not in the most, you know, obvious, clear place for people coming to it. 87 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:35,850 So so it's those sorts of universal things that I think we've been able to carry across. 88 00:09:35,850 --> 00:09:40,550 Yeah, I think I would just add to that the sum of the parts I've particularly enjoyed 89 00:09:40,550 --> 00:09:45,290 have been the opportunity to actually collaborate with academics as well. 90 00:09:45,290 --> 00:09:50,870 So we have the opportunity to have one to one meetings with them to really 91 00:09:50,870 --> 00:09:56,540 discuss kind of what they ideally would like to do or the kinds of activities. 92 00:09:56,540 --> 00:10:05,300 They've usually done in the past and and kind of help them come up with something that's really going to work in an online format. 93 00:10:05,300 --> 00:10:17,380 So there's been a lot of trial and error, a few kind of failings along the way with, you know, synchronous sessions and what works best and. 94 00:10:17,380 --> 00:10:21,680 Well, you know, all sorts of things trying to put people into breakout rooms, 95 00:10:21,680 --> 00:10:26,460 reassigning on Zoom and just kind of, you know, coming across different pitfalls. 96 00:10:26,460 --> 00:10:34,650 But we've actually managed to kind of develop our own kind of ways of working and solutions and kind of recommended methods, 97 00:10:34,650 --> 00:10:36,660 which is really quite exciting. And, yeah, 98 00:10:36,660 --> 00:10:43,650 I just I particularly enjoy kind of talking through what the academic wants to achieve and then being able to kind of 99 00:10:43,650 --> 00:10:53,460 draw on my knowledge that I've gained in this role of the digital tools how ELE works the best kind of format for, 100 00:10:53,460 --> 00:10:53,730 you know, 101 00:10:53,730 --> 00:11:02,310 contact days or synchronous sessions and just really be sort of part of that and feel very much the our experience and knowledge is kind of valued. 102 00:11:02,310 --> 00:11:10,170 And I think, as Heather was saying, the fact that we do actually have some teaching experience ourselves, we can kind of, you know, 103 00:11:10,170 --> 00:11:14,970 get our minds into that that gear to really think about how it's going to work 104 00:11:14,970 --> 00:11:19,680 and what's what's really gonna be best for the students learning as well. 105 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:29,070 And just to add to that that we've actually been given a lot of responsibility in that sense, more than I was kind of expecting really in this role. 106 00:11:29,070 --> 00:11:36,130 And, yeah. Of our kind of we've been sort of trusted to input our thoughts and in terms of kind 107 00:11:36,130 --> 00:11:41,790 of evaluating the strategy in the college and really kind of working at high levels, 108 00:11:41,790 --> 00:11:50,220 talking with the programme directors. The Dean for Education, Project enhance leadership team meetings. 109 00:11:50,220 --> 00:11:57,330 So it's it's really great, actually, that we've been trusted and given the responsibility that we've had and that we've 110 00:11:57,330 --> 00:12:03,840 actually had the opportunity to kind of shape how we do things at a higher level as well, 111 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:08,800 as well as kind of working with individuals. That's something I really appreciated. Yeah. 112 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,420 And I think there's a couple of things, really brilliant things to pick out of that. 113 00:12:12,420 --> 00:12:21,510 The first of which is, you know, there were a lot of these roles across the institution and some of them have, 114 00:12:21,510 --> 00:12:26,430 you know, gone to so they;re what, the University of Exeter call graduate business partner roles. 115 00:12:26,430 --> 00:12:36,600 Is that right? Yes. Yeah. GBPs. So some some people in these roles will be having just come out of undergraduate or postgraduate taught degrees. 116 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:43,680 And so their experience will be will be useful and certainly kind of, you know, people with the same level, you know, 117 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:48,600 really good digital skills, but also, you know, what you're talking about in terms of that student perspective. 118 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,710 But like you're saying, what you bring that to that as a doctoral 119 00:12:51,710 --> 00:12:59,520 Graduate is that extra dimension of understanding, research, but understanding, teaching and pedagogy in a different way. 120 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:04,770 And I think, you know, quite often when we see things like GBPs or graduate schemes, 121 00:13:04,770 --> 00:13:09,270 we assume that they're aimed at undergraduates and perhaps some of the language. 122 00:13:09,270 --> 00:13:12,900 And then the way in which they're written does kind of reinforce that. 123 00:13:12,900 --> 00:13:18,270 But actually, it doesn't mean they're not applicable to PGRs and that actually PGRs, you know. 124 00:13:18,270 --> 00:13:25,560 Or doctoral graduates will potentially have the opportunity and the roles to to do more and to go further. 125 00:13:25,560 --> 00:13:32,880 Because because of how that much further along they are in their academic career. 126 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:37,920 The other thing that I wanted to pick up on is why I was be interested in what you're 127 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:43,120 saying about kind of the management side and the strategy side of being involved in that. 128 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:49,950 And I wondered if you could say something about kind of what a bit more about what you valued, about learning, I guess, 129 00:13:49,950 --> 00:13:53,910 about the more administrative or managerial side of the university, 130 00:13:53,910 --> 00:14:00,600 which you don't get as much of an exposure to what you're doing, a research degree. 131 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:09,780 Yeah, I. So for me, as I say, it's it's great to have the insight into kind of the structure of the institution, 132 00:14:09,780 --> 00:14:16,380 obviously, to meet these different people as well and to learn from them and their expertise. 133 00:14:16,380 --> 00:14:22,170 And it's yeah, it's really kind of opened up so many opportunities that we we just hadn't anticipated. 134 00:14:22,170 --> 00:14:26,370 Lots of professional development opportunities. 135 00:14:26,370 --> 00:14:35,250 And I think it's worth noting that that is something that, first of all, you just don't really have time for when you're doing a casual teaching post, 136 00:14:35,250 --> 00:14:40,410 because as anybody who has done that will know, even if you're only doing about four. 137 00:14:40,410 --> 00:14:44,370 hours teaching a week as an early career academic or researcher. 138 00:14:44,370 --> 00:14:50,280 You're coming into that institution from outside. You're basically going to have a lot of work dumped on you. 139 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:57,900 And because you're kind of coming in and you probably don't have much notice when you start the role. 140 00:14:57,900 --> 00:15:03,780 For me, it was essentially a full time job, even though I was only teaching about four hours a week each time. 141 00:15:03,780 --> 00:15:09,240 Because if you're producing lectures, etc., it's just an enormous amount of work. 142 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:13,530 And so you don't really have time to kind of engage in any professional opportunities, 143 00:15:13,530 --> 00:15:21,900 personal development opportunities that might be offered by the institution. But with this role, it's something that has been very much integrated. 144 00:15:21,900 --> 00:15:31,020 So we've been able to kind of continually undertake different kinds of training for different digital tools. 145 00:15:31,020 --> 00:15:35,190 We've also been able to attend the things like the eduexe sessions, 146 00:15:35,190 --> 00:15:42,780 where we're kind of sharing best practise across the university, finding out how people do things in different departments, 147 00:15:42,780 --> 00:15:52,620 different colleges, and seeing what we can kind of take from not to to implement in the College of Medicine and Health and in PGT where we're based. 148 00:15:52,620 --> 00:16:01,590 So I think all of that does feed into our kind of connection and on what we can pass on to people in kind of more senior roles. 149 00:16:01,590 --> 00:16:04,860 And I work with managers in the college. 150 00:16:04,860 --> 00:16:15,240 We work very closely with our programme director for PGT, but also with the team director of Quality and Teaching. 151 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:23,670 And so we got that's another nice kind of aspect of the role, is that people are interested in actually listening to our ideas. 152 00:16:23,670 --> 00:16:31,110 And again, coming back to all kind of experience as teachers ourselves, having that side of things, 153 00:16:31,110 --> 00:16:39,270 and also kind of new understanding of kind of what digital tools are out there and the the processes and functions of ELE 154 00:16:39,270 --> 00:16:49,510 It's sort of given us of a good ability to see what might potentially work and what we can take, what we can take forward and kind of. 155 00:16:49,510 --> 00:16:56,190 Yeah, pass on to people like the director of teaching quality and really feel like you're actually 156 00:16:56,190 --> 00:17:03,270 making a difference in kind of shaping our path forward in terms of online learning. 157 00:17:03,270 --> 00:17:04,890 So, yeah, I again, 158 00:17:04,890 --> 00:17:12,990 it's it's lovely to be trusted to the extent that we are and kind of valued that much really by senior people in the university, I would say. 159 00:17:12,990 --> 00:17:18,960 And just to be kind of taken seriously and be, you know, have the opportunity to actually input ideas as well. 160 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:23,520 And I think that applies not just to us as graduate as postgraduates. 161 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:29,340 I think it really does apply to the undergraduates, too. And, you know, we're working within multiple teams. 162 00:17:29,340 --> 00:17:37,180 We're working with technology enhanced learning where we're often asked for our views on certain things and how we work. 163 00:17:37,180 --> 00:17:43,650 And so, yeah, it's great really to be I suppose the role is so new. 164 00:17:43,650 --> 00:17:47,130 We've we've actually had to establish the way that we work. 165 00:17:47,130 --> 00:17:52,800 And Heather and I have had to kind of really specifically define what we do, how we do things in PGT 166 00:17:52,800 --> 00:18:00,480 even down to kind of, you know, the spreadsheet that we use and and the day to day running of things. 167 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:08,790 But also, I think DLDs as a whole seem to be, you know, very much included in actually. 168 00:18:08,790 --> 00:18:13,080 Trying to define and determine what happens next, which is quite nice. 169 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:21,180 Yeah. Now, I was thinking in terms of strategy, as you were saying, it's been really interesting to be part of larger strategy talks, 170 00:18:21,180 --> 00:18:27,870 but also on just the scale of us working with PGT programmes for the College of Medicine and Health. 171 00:18:27,870 --> 00:18:32,340 Being able to strategize what we want to do with the year that we have, 172 00:18:32,340 --> 00:18:37,950 or at least the year that we know we definitely have in this role and being able to think, 173 00:18:37,950 --> 00:18:43,410 okay, you know, what are we going to prioritise for term one? What do we want our modules to look like? 174 00:18:43,410 --> 00:18:50,610 What sorts of digital tools do we want to emphasise or demonstrate for the module leads? 175 00:18:50,610 --> 00:18:53,970 Then what do we want to improve on for term two? How are we going to go about that? 176 00:18:53,970 --> 00:19:01,620 So we've been able to do things like run college, PGT, specific student surveys, 177 00:19:01,620 --> 00:19:11,580 staff surveys and run some demonstration meetings to kind of go through the sorts of things that we think will improve courses. 178 00:19:11,580 --> 00:19:18,210 So just on that smaller scale strategy as well, it's been really interesting to kind of have a handle on that. 179 00:19:18,210 --> 00:19:19,960 And as Philippa said 180 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:28,890 it's kind of shape the trajectory of what we're doing with the year to make things better during pandemic times with online teaching, 181 00:19:28,890 --> 00:19:35,700 but also think about what will improve things in the long term going forward to potential blended learning. 182 00:19:35,700 --> 00:19:44,900 Because I think improving these courses in their online offering is still going to help when eventually some of it is move back into the classroom. 183 00:19:44,900 --> 00:19:51,980 Yeah. I think all of that's really important. And one of the couple of things I want to pick up out of that is really interesting 184 00:19:51,980 --> 00:19:56,490 to hear you talk about the unique opportunity that you've had within these roles 185 00:19:56,490 --> 00:19:59,970 for professional development and academic professional development that you wouldn't 186 00:19:59,970 --> 00:20:05,560 necessarily have the time or scope for if you were just doing a few hours teaching. 187 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:13,320 So I wondered if we could talk a little bit more about about what those opportunities might be, but also kind of in tandem with that. 188 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:21,150 What? We've talked a lot about all the different experiences you're having, and I can absolutely see how all of these would be really, 189 00:20:21,150 --> 00:20:25,340 really beneficial in thinking about moving forward with an academic career. 190 00:20:25,340 --> 00:20:29,220 But I wondered if you could say a little bit about. 191 00:20:29,220 --> 00:20:36,030 From your perspective about what you feel like you're going to really strongly take forward from the role. 192 00:20:36,030 --> 00:20:41,640 The roles that you're doing now and the experiences you're having now into applying for academic jobs. 193 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:46,260 So I know there are two things that we can really do with professional development first. 194 00:20:46,260 --> 00:20:56,340 Sure. And so with both. Well, we both came into this job with the associate fellow of the Higher Education Academy as our, 195 00:20:56,340 --> 00:20:59,820 you know, professional framework teaching qualification. 196 00:20:59,820 --> 00:21:08,100 And one of the really tangible things to come out of this year is we're using our experience now in our supporting, 197 00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:15,150 teaching and quality enhancing role to go for the fellow of the Higher Education Academy. 198 00:21:15,150 --> 00:21:17,910 We've got our applications together. Fingers crossed. 199 00:21:17,910 --> 00:21:26,310 But, you know, if we can gain that, that's a really good, solid thing that we can use in our applications for other jobs going forward. 200 00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:34,440 But just as employees of Exeter, we've had the opportunity to go to the full suite of professional development workshops, 201 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:39,780 especially with everything being online. It's been really good to be able to say, okay, 202 00:21:39,780 --> 00:21:48,300 I'd like to go to a CVs workshop to an interviews workshop to all these different things, wellbeing workshops. 203 00:21:48,300 --> 00:21:52,470 It's it's it's part of our role, part of our job. 204 00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:58,660 You know, we have to go through personal development reviews and that sort of thing. 205 00:21:58,660 --> 00:22:05,970 So so it's been really interesting having the opportunity to go to these sorts of workshops and professional development opportunities, 206 00:22:05,970 --> 00:22:16,110 but also to have them as part of the structure of what's the university wants us to do with our with our time and with our progression as well. 207 00:22:16,110 --> 00:22:21,030 And I guess I would just add to that that I think, well, first of all, 208 00:22:21,030 --> 00:22:28,830 the role itself and the kind of modules that we are assisting with because they are postgraduate courses, 209 00:22:28,830 --> 00:22:37,290 but also because they are kind of some of them are focussed very specifically on education and clinical education. 210 00:22:37,290 --> 00:22:43,230 How you effectively teach clinical practises to, you know, 211 00:22:43,230 --> 00:22:48,810 maybe GPs who are taking an extra professional development course or something like that. 212 00:22:48,810 --> 00:22:58,950 So we have actually assisted in the development of and being present for the delivery of clinical education modules, 213 00:22:58,950 --> 00:23:04,680 modules on digital teaching, which was really helpful. 214 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:13,470 And so all of that is just so useful. We can actually learn not just from the courses, but from the module leads delivering most courses. 215 00:23:13,470 --> 00:23:19,590 We were invited to be actually we were invited to kind of be part of the teaching, 216 00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:28,200 the digital teaching module and to sort of share our own experiences with digital tools and that kind of thing. 217 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,920 And it was just great to learn from the students as well with that, to be honest. I mean, 218 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:37,060 I wish that we'd actually recorded some of the fantastic presentations because they had the opportunity 219 00:23:37,060 --> 00:23:41,940 to have a play around with some of the digital tools and experiment what you could use them for. 220 00:23:41,940 --> 00:23:49,020 And they were just simply fantastic things on improving the deliver the training for the COVID vaccine and all sorts of wonderful things 221 00:23:49,020 --> 00:23:59,100 that are going to make such a difference in the world and really make me proud to be supporting these these healthcare students. 222 00:23:59,100 --> 00:24:08,820 But with the FHEA more specifically, it's really helped me reflect on what I'm actually getting out of this role. 223 00:24:08,820 --> 00:24:17,640 So all of the stuff that we do with the quality assurance of module's, the continual evaluation of our practise, 224 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:25,470 how successful things have been, the regular meetings with the project enhance leadership team and the college. 225 00:24:25,470 --> 00:24:31,830 And that's where we get to actually kind of talk to academics that are sort of delivering the teaching. 226 00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:37,320 And we talk through any arising problems and we kind of troubleshoot and continually evaluate. 227 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,460 And all of that has been just great to write about on my application, really, 228 00:24:41,460 --> 00:24:52,040 because it's it's really helping me reflect on my own practise as somebody who's supporting teaching and who's interested in kind of teaching myself. 229 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:57,290 So we kind of figured we'd kind of unintentionally ended up sort of hitting, you know, 230 00:24:57,290 --> 00:25:01,610 most of the criteria just just through kind of what we're doing on a daily basis. 231 00:25:01,610 --> 00:25:09,520 And so it's been great to actually have that, to really take the time to reflect on exactly what we're getting out of the role. 232 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:14,620 So in terms of professional development, I'd say it's it's actually exceeded my expectations, really. 233 00:25:14,620 --> 00:25:21,730 And and as Heather says, if we can get this qualification at the end of it, then, you know, it's been a really fantastic stepping stone. 234 00:25:21,730 --> 00:25:29,260 And I think that a lot of roles that I've seen advertised have actually wanted somebody who 235 00:25:29,260 --> 00:25:35,380 knows about digital technology or is interested in using digital technology in their teaching, 236 00:25:35,380 --> 00:25:41,740 because, I mean, I think this is going to be kind of part of the future. It's going to be had to stay really and in whatever form it eventually takes. 237 00:25:41,740 --> 00:25:47,050 So, yeah, it's it's been a really great opportunity, 238 00:25:47,050 --> 00:25:55,060 even though we've been working in a very different field in medicine and health and we're both from English. 239 00:25:55,060 --> 00:25:59,730 There has been a lot of kind of transferable skills that we can bring to this role. 240 00:25:59,730 --> 00:26:00,640 That's really brilliant. 241 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:08,410 And I think pulling out some of those things like the FHEA, which is really going to set you apart in applying for those academic roles, 242 00:26:08,410 --> 00:26:13,000 because it's it's rare that PGRs when they're doing their research. 243 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:19,770 are going to have the opportunity to engage in that in that level of teaching practise and the opportunity for that level of reflection as well. 244 00:26:19,770 --> 00:26:32,010 That's needed to achieve that status. So I wondered if you could say a little bit more about how that how this kind of fits in and in. 245 00:26:32,010 --> 00:26:39,420 The longer kind of career go to work in academia and what specifically things like the FHEA that you think that 246 00:26:39,420 --> 00:26:46,140 you want to take forward and that you feel are really going to help you with those academic job applications? 247 00:26:46,140 --> 00:26:55,380 I think for me, it's it's at least understanding the real significance of evaluation and evaluating processes. 248 00:26:55,380 --> 00:27:04,810 And this is something that the university has had to do on a huge scale, shifting, you know, to so much online. 249 00:27:04,810 --> 00:27:10,170 And and basically, you know, transforming digitally. 250 00:27:10,170 --> 00:27:18,570 So I think the fact that we've kind of been forced into this situation where we're constantly having the discussions, is this working? 251 00:27:18,570 --> 00:27:25,640 Is this effective? What can we do better for me? I think that is something I would actually like to take forward. 252 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,230 You know, whatever happens, 253 00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:38,610 I think even if we are doing a lot more face to face teaching eventually or supporting much more kind of blended approaches, 254 00:27:38,610 --> 00:27:49,050 I just think it's it's something that perhaps wasn't emphasised enough before was this sort of continual evaluation of processes, 255 00:27:49,050 --> 00:27:57,150 even if you've been doing it for years. You know, it's the opportunity to actually share best practise and innovate, really. 256 00:27:57,150 --> 00:28:07,230 And and just I think the value of that sort of collaborative approach to teaching is maybe something that we've not fully appreciated before. 257 00:28:07,230 --> 00:28:13,440 And the point of the pandemic has kind of pushed us into confronting really. 258 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,470 And I personally feel that that's something we could really take forward. 259 00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:26,070 And I would like to adopt in my in my practise or wherever I end up, even if I'm if I'm here, if I end up here. 260 00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:32,940 I just think that's something that's so valuable. And, yeah, it's it's a focus on the process itself. 261 00:28:32,940 --> 00:28:37,230 The process of teaching. And and I think that includes our students, too. 262 00:28:37,230 --> 00:28:41,250 So, you know that they are kind of active collaborators in this process. 263 00:28:41,250 --> 00:28:52,330 I think that there's just so much to learn from the approach we've actually taken with Project Enhance and the benefits of that for, 264 00:28:52,330 --> 00:28:57,700 you know, the quality of learning as well and what the students can get out of it. 265 00:28:57,700 --> 00:29:02,430 And that's something I'm quite excited about. I'd like to do more with. 266 00:29:02,430 --> 00:29:05,700 Definitely. I completely agree. 267 00:29:05,700 --> 00:29:15,750 In terms of first applying for teaching posts in the future, we've now gained experience of the side of teaching that we didn't. 268 00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:19,980 Not that we didn't engage with before, but that weren't necessarily our top priority. 269 00:29:19,980 --> 00:29:25,980 When, you know, we need to prep for our seminars, go and teach them to have a set number of hours to do everything. 270 00:29:25,980 --> 00:29:33,750 Having this kind of reflective role and thinking about all the kind of other things that go into 271 00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:39,820 preparing a really good module and really good contact session has been really useful for that. 272 00:29:39,820 --> 00:29:45,150 But I guess the other thing for me is that I always knew there would be, you know, 273 00:29:45,150 --> 00:29:52,980 a bit of a gap between finishing my PhD and hopefully getting some sort of academic role. 274 00:29:52,980 --> 00:29:59,550 And I did think, you know, I'll apply for a job in professional services or maybe I'll get some casual teaching 275 00:29:59,550 --> 00:30:06,880 contracts and hopefully I'll be doing something linked to the university while I'm kind of, 276 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,200 you know, working on a book proposal, working on more articles, 277 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:17,100 gaining all those other sorts of research experience that I would need to get a postdoc or an academic post. 278 00:30:17,100 --> 00:30:22,950 And I guess this role has just given us a little bit of security and bought us 279 00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:29,460 a little bit of time to be doing those things and thinking about our research. 280 00:30:29,460 --> 00:30:31,830 I mean, not not to say that it hasn't been difficult. 281 00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:40,320 I think, you know, both me and Philippa feel that it's really tiring to be sat at your laptop all day doing this sort of work and then to think, 282 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:45,330 okay, I need to turn to that to the article proposal that I'm working on. 283 00:30:45,330 --> 00:30:55,630 But that's the other side of this is a lot of post PhD will be in that position of I want to carry on with my research, develop my research profile. 284 00:30:55,630 --> 00:31:03,180 But, you know, I need some paid employment. And at least this role has felt that we've been developing the teaching side of things 285 00:31:03,180 --> 00:31:32,470 while we've been trying to continue to work on our research side of things as well. 286 00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:38,860 Yes. I just want to ask you a little bit about the application process. 287 00:31:38,860 --> 00:31:46,840 So kind of what you have to do in terms of filling in any kind of application form and then what the interview process was like. 288 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:53,020 So, yeah, can you say a little bit about what you had to do in terms of an application? 289 00:31:53,020 --> 00:31:59,960 And sure. So the application form wasn't overly elaborate. 290 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:05,810 I filled in much longer involved application forms before. 291 00:32:05,810 --> 00:32:12,320 But it asked for I can't remember how long it was, but a relatively lengthy supporting statement. 292 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:20,570 So the equivalent of writing a cover letter for a job that wanted you to engage with STAR 293 00:32:20,570 --> 00:32:26,720 And I cannot remember what the acronym stands for, but it's the idea that its situation. 294 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:31,130 task action, reflection or resolution. Yes. 295 00:32:31,130 --> 00:32:38,330 Yes,. So it it kind of wanted you to go through your experience, what sort of skills and things you're bringing to this job. 296 00:32:38,330 --> 00:32:42,950 But, you know, you talk about, you know, in this situation, I was faced with this challenge. 297 00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:45,380 Here's what I did. And, you know, here was the result. 298 00:32:45,380 --> 00:32:51,830 And I think I don't think I've consciously used that in other job applications before this role. 299 00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:55,970 But that was actually quite useful for me to talk about previous jobs I'd done and 300 00:32:55,970 --> 00:33:00,640 then have to think of some some conflict or some issue that I dealt with within that. 301 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:05,870 So. So, yeah. So we had this supporting statement to write 302 00:33:05,870 --> 00:33:10,730 And then we were invited for interview, which was a panel interview. 303 00:33:10,730 --> 00:33:17,870 I think there were four or five people on the call. It was virtual, obviously over Microsoft teams. 304 00:33:17,870 --> 00:33:26,900 And I just remember it being very quick, I think, because there were a number of these roles advertised and they had quite a few posts to fill. 305 00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:30,280 It did need to be quite speedy. 306 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:38,210 But the sorts of questions they asked were, I think they were to do with digital teaching, like, you know, where do you see this going? 307 00:33:38,210 --> 00:33:44,360 Or what's an example of best practise in digital online teaching? 308 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,630 But I did get the impression that they wanted the answers to be quite succinct. 309 00:33:47,630 --> 00:33:53,870 So I felt a little bit a little bit rushed versus some of the job interviews I've been in. 310 00:33:53,870 --> 00:34:01,100 But I got the impression that really they they'd already appreciated what you were going to offer from your written application, 311 00:34:01,100 --> 00:34:04,750 and they were really trying to work out where you would fit in. 312 00:34:04,750 --> 00:34:13,220 And so I think the reason they put me in Philipa on PGT programmes was no doubt because of our experience being postgraduates. 313 00:34:13,220 --> 00:34:22,430 But I think they were just trying to work that out at that stage and obviously check that we were, you know, fit for the role. 314 00:34:22,430 --> 00:34:29,480 And I'd just add that I really appreciated being picked by the College of Medicine and Health. 315 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:35,300 Even though this is not our specialism. They saw something in us. 316 00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:43,460 And it's really proven transferable how flexible English and humanities graduates can be. 317 00:34:43,460 --> 00:34:49,010 I think, you know, we've been able to bring a creative approach to the problem solving, 318 00:34:49,010 --> 00:34:56,300 to, you know, the kinds of education that we're facing in our programmes. 319 00:34:56,300 --> 00:35:01,640 So, yeah, I think we've definitely had some real strengths to bring to the role. 320 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:10,070 I initially didn't hear anything when I applied. So Heather was in the first round of sort of employees. 321 00:35:10,070 --> 00:35:17,090 I didn't hear anything for a couple of months. And I chased it up and I was told that I hadn't been shortlisted. 322 00:35:17,090 --> 00:35:21,010 So I just thought, okay, you know, onto the next thing that's that. 323 00:35:21,010 --> 00:35:31,460 But then I had an email out of the blue a couple of months later when I think they were just they realised they needed to recruit some more DLDs 324 00:35:31,460 --> 00:35:37,280 So then I had a very last minute interview for the College of Medicine Health as well. 325 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,280 And, yeah, just just it's been great working there. 326 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:50,200 And I think we've had an insight also into the extent to which medical professionals actually do value the humanities also. 327 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:59,600 And what they can learn from them. You know, I hadn't realised that medical students are even taught art history because it helps them with being 328 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:05,750 able to kind of analyse the symptoms that a patient is presenting and kind of think of it holistically. 329 00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:11,600 So I think it's really been beneficial for us to bring all sort of creative approach to things. 330 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:19,740 Also with things like the strategy Problem-Solving thinking about ways forward more broadly. 331 00:36:19,740 --> 00:36:28,250 It's been great that that has actually been valued. And yeah, that we were both taken on by the College of Medicine and Health. 332 00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:30,990 That's really, really brilliant and really helpful. Thank you. 333 00:36:30,990 --> 00:36:41,510 And I want to finish, you can just give sort of like we got any advice or kind of top tips to other PGRs who are who are coming to. 334 00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:45,320 The end of their research degree. Maybe they're not sure they want to do. 335 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:51,830 Or maybe they're, you know, are thinking about pursuing an academic career or something in higher education. 336 00:36:51,830 --> 00:36:59,270 What advice would you give them based on? Based on your experience as a sort of almost the past year? 337 00:36:59,270 --> 00:37:02,330 I think in terms of job searches, 338 00:37:02,330 --> 00:37:11,610 I definitely had already thoughts about going into professional services just because I wanted to keep that link to a university and, 339 00:37:11,610 --> 00:37:19,670 you know, ideally Exeter. I just thought it would kind of keep me in the loop with academic things, at least being in that environment. 340 00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:24,890 So that's definitely something that I was already considering kind of post PhD. 341 00:37:24,890 --> 00:37:31,490 But I think I've realised in this role with how linked it is with teaching and supporting learning, 342 00:37:31,490 --> 00:37:42,770 is that it doesn't just have to be a monetary stopgap to kind of pay the bills while you're looking for, you know, stuff that first academic position. 343 00:37:42,770 --> 00:37:52,310 But there is an awful lot that you can gain towards your academic career from working in other university roles. 344 00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:58,130 I know the sorts of other things I was thinking of. I worked in admissions before I did my PhD. 345 00:37:58,130 --> 00:38:06,080 So that was something I was thinking of going back to. I've seen lots of posts advertised supporting big research projects, 346 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,550 which I think would be a really useful thing to get involved with if you had this, 347 00:38:09,550 --> 00:38:16,670 you know, think about the admin side of of budgets and organising events and all that sort of thing. 348 00:38:16,670 --> 00:38:24,110 So I think there are lots of other roles outside of the university as well that can give you further skills and 349 00:38:24,110 --> 00:38:30,470 experience that still completely translate into the sorts of things that are valued for an academic career. 350 00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:33,560 So it's just trying to adjust your mindset. 351 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:40,190 Think of it not just as you know, oh, I have to spend this period of time doing something that's not my academic career, 352 00:38:40,190 --> 00:38:46,940 but thinking about what sort of roles you could take on the do still kind of keep you on that path. 353 00:38:46,940 --> 00:38:59,030 Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of pressure on early career researchers because postdocs are essentially time dependent. 354 00:38:59,030 --> 00:39:07,190 So as you know, you're only eligible for a postdoc within like three years of finishing your PhD. 355 00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:11,450 And so given how competitive they are, you know, 356 00:39:11,450 --> 00:39:18,260 it's there's a huge amount of pressure to try and publish to try and get the book to try and make yourself stand out. 357 00:39:18,260 --> 00:39:26,540 And if you're not fortunate enough to kind of have somebody who can financially support you while you're writing your book or whatever or, 358 00:39:26,540 --> 00:39:34,040 you know, given the current situation with the pandemic, I'm sure a lot of people have got, you know, completely unexpected circumstances. 359 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:43,280 I'm currently supporting my mum. So, you know, you want to have some more kind of security. 360 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:50,720 And so I think my advice would be you have to be open minded, not just flexible. 361 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:56,480 So I did, as I said, a couple of casual teaching roles. 362 00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:02,300 But given the current situation, I was I knew I needed something more so stable and secure. 363 00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:10,460 And I think it is just about having a look at what's out there and and thinking about, you know, again, those transferable skills. 364 00:40:10,460 --> 00:40:15,140 What can I get from this? Is this going to be a stepping stone? 365 00:40:15,140 --> 00:40:20,750 And I think you're lucky if you can find something that is relevant to what you want to do. 366 00:40:20,750 --> 00:40:30,170 It's not easy. I mean, I've also worked in retail and throughout my my teaching, I also worked weekends in a shop. 367 00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:33,170 So it's really not easy to juggle those things. 368 00:40:33,170 --> 00:40:42,950 But I think the professional services side of things that university does offer, if you want to go into academia. 369 00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:48,560 You know, lots of really useful skills and opportunities as we've talked about things like the professional development. 370 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:55,700 So I think you just have to be open minded and maybe it isn't going to be the ideal path forward. 371 00:40:55,700 --> 00:41:00,290 But, you know, you just have to try and be kind of resourceful, I suppose. 372 00:41:00,290 --> 00:41:04,040 And it does open up other things and it gives you an insight into other areas. 373 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:10,850 And, you know, for me, as time goes on, because I've been in this situation for a couple of years now, 374 00:41:10,850 --> 00:41:18,970 you kind of think, okay, well, maybe previously I can imagine really doing anything else because that means. 375 00:41:18,970 --> 00:41:24,970 It isn't going to happen quite like that. And, you know, maybe I'll find another way. 376 00:41:24,970 --> 00:41:33,270 So I just really would say. Be open minded and be resourceful in in the roles that you take on. 377 00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:42,390 So even if it isn't gonna be a teaching role, there are other roles out there that are still going to benefit you and make you more employable. 378 00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:51,630 Thank you so much to Heather and Philippa for taking time out of what I know is an incredibly busy schedule in the roles that they're in. 379 00:41:51,630 --> 00:41:56,840 Talk to me about their roles as digital learning developers at the University of Exeter. 380 00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,500 And I think there are a number of things to pull out of this conversation. 381 00:42:01,500 --> 00:42:08,850 You know, that's the important thing that we've been trying to focus on about starting your career and getting jobs during COVID 382 00:42:08,850 --> 00:42:17,790 but also thinking about that kind of route into an academic career, which might not be traditional, 383 00:42:17,790 --> 00:42:24,900 perhaps particularly at the moment, but going into this kind of professional services role where you might be able to develop really, 384 00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:33,660 really relevant skills and experience and expertise that will put you in a really, really strong place in the academic job market. 385 00:42:33,660 --> 00:42:40,680 And I know that the kinds of things that Heather and Philippa were talking about, their teaching and digital skills, 386 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,940 their fellowship with the Higher Education Academy or the professional development they've been undertaking, 387 00:42:44,940 --> 00:43:00,830 is going to put them in a really fantastic place when the kind of academic roles, when they come up. 388 00:43:00,830 --> 00:43:16,577 And that's it for this episode. Join us next time when we'll be talking to another researcher about their career beyond their research degree.
24 minutes | 3 months ago
Charlotte Chivers (Research Assistant, University of Gloucestershire)
Welcome to the Beyond Your Research Degree podcast from the University of Exeter Doctoral College! The podcast about careers and all the opportunities available to you... beyond your research degree! In this episode Kelly Preece, Researcher Development Manager talks to Charlotte Chivers, who secured a Research Assistant post at the University of Gloucestershire during COVID-19. Charlotte has started her role at the University of Gloucestershire whilst finishing writing up her PhD. Music from https://filmmusic.io ’Cheery Monday’ by Kevin MacLeod (https://incompetech.com) License: CC BY (https://creativecommons.org/licenses Podcast transcript 1 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:23,000 Hello and welcome to the Beyond Your Research Degree podcast by the University of Exeter, Doctoral College 2 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:31,000 Hello and welcome to beyond your research degree. It's Kelly Preece here, and I'm really excited to be bringing you the second in a special series that 3 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:38,000 we're doing for Beyond Your Research Degree about securing jobs during Covid 19. 4 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:43,000 So last time I talked to Tomir about securing a job with an NGO. 5 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:48,000 And today I'm gonna be talking to Charlotte Chivers in a very similar position to Timur, 6 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:55,000 writing up herPhD and starting a new job, but this time as a postdoctoral research associate. 7 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,000 So we normally on Beyond your Research degree, we focus on non-academic careers. 8 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,000 But given the real challenges our PGRs are facing at the moment, 9 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:10,000 it seemed really pertinent to talk about securing academic and research jobs as well. 10 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:20,000 Yeah, hi. So I'm Charlotte Chivers and I have been doing my PhD at the University of Exeter since twenty seventeen. 11 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:26,000 My research is within the Centre for Rural Policy Research. 12 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:37,000 So it's a social science. PhD and I have been exploring the efficacy of agriculture advice surrounding diffused water pollution. 13 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:47,000 So I have now finished a draft of my entire thesis and congratulations. 14 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:52,000 And I'm making revisions based on my supervisor's comments at this stage. 15 00:01:52,000 --> 00:02:00,000 However, back in September, I started a research position at the University of Gloucestershire. 16 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:05,000 So I now work in the Countryside and Community Research Institute. 17 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:12,000 So I've been juggling, working full time and finishing off my PhD. 18 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:18,000 And again, I'm working in social science, but mostly looking at environmental stuff. 19 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:25,000 So I now work on two big EU projects. One is called Soil Care, which it's soil health in agriculture. 20 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:32,000 And the other is called Spint and we are looking at pesticides in agriculture. 21 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:38,000 That's brilliant. Thank you. So there's a number of lots of different things to pick up on within that. 22 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:43,000 But I think so firstly. So if we can go back to September last year. So was it September you started the job? 23 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:48,000 Yes. I started in September. So when when did you when did you apply? 24 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:55,000 What were the sort of timescales? So I applied in June last year. 25 00:02:55,000 --> 00:03:07,000 OK, yeah. So. So I wasn't. Sorry. No i was just going to say so this is so all of the application process, everything, it's all happened during COVID. 26 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:12,000 Yes. Yes. OK. So I. 27 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,000 Let's start at the beginning of that process that I'm thinking about, how it might have been affected by it. 28 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:21,000 So how? First of all, how did you how did you find this role? 29 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:26,000 So I had sort of had my eye on the centre 30 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:32,000 I now work for for the last couple of years and I recognised that it would potentially be a good fit for me. 31 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:38,000 So I kept my eye on their website and I attended one of our events. 32 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:45,000 So they have a annual winter school, which meant that I had the opportunity to meet some of the academics working there. 33 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:49,000 And from then on, then I kind of just kept my eye out for jobs. 34 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:54,000 And although it was quite early for me to apply for a job because I still had, you know, 35 00:03:54,000 --> 00:04:00,000 my PhDi ongoing, I wanted to make sure I didn't miss out on an opportunity. 36 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,000 As obviously, you know, academia is competitive. So I had to kind of go for it. 37 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:09,000 When when a job came along. So, yeah, absolutely. 38 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:15,000 And I think, you know, it is that when your when you're targeting particular departments or organisations, 39 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:24,000 if you're thinking outside academia that are a really good fit for your passion, but also your kind of knowledge and skills. 40 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,000 It is sometimes having to kind of make that compromise going okay. 41 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:36,000 It's not the ideal time. But is this opportunity likely to come up in six months when it is the ideal time? 42 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:46,000 Can you talk a little bit about the. Application process, particularly thinking about what might have been different about it because of the, 43 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:52,000 you know, the all of the restrictions that we've had in the UK for the past year or so. 44 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:58,000 Yeah. So in terms of actually applying for the job, it was it was the same essentially because, 45 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:04,000 you know, I had to submit an application form and a CV online. And so that was quite normal, actually. 46 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:16,000 And that the first stage where it was quite different is that my interview had to be held online with a panel of three professors, 47 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:24,000 which was quite interesting. You know, I had to get myself into the mindset of an interview even though I was starting my apartment. 48 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:30,000 So that day that I just made sure that I got dressed up as if I was going to an interview. 49 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:38,000 And I just tried to get myself in that mindset. But it was quite strange having a sort of online interview. 50 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:47,000 But luckily for panellists were lovely, really supportive. So, you know, I felt relatively at ease despite it being an online interview. 51 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,000 Yeah. And I think you've picked up on a couple of really important things. 52 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:57,000 They're about actually kind of that sense of mindset of how do you put yourself in the frame of mind of performing, 53 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:01,000 because that's essentially what an interview it is, isn't it? You know, it comes down to it. 54 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:10,000 You're you're kind of performing for the interview panel. And how do you do that when you're kind of in your in your everyday? 55 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,000 Environments, so I think that thing you said about, you know, 56 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:18,000 getting dressed up and doing all of those things like you would do for an interview normally are really important. 57 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:28,000 Were there any kind of any markedly different things for having the interview online from when you've had interviews face to face? 58 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:34,000 Was there anything kind of. I don't know. Different or challenging? 59 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,000 About doing that way. Yeah, definitely so. 60 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:42,000 And the thing is, it's because there were four of us on the call. 61 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:47,000 And you have a lag often when you're online It was incredibly difficult to not interrupt each other. 62 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,000 And and being in an interview, you obviously don't want to interrupt people. 63 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:57,000 You want to make sure that you, you know, wait your turn and speak when you can ask the question. 64 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:03,000 But there were a couple of times. So it's quite difficult to know when to talk and when to get a word in. 65 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:09,000 So that's something that was a bit challenging. But again, I think everyone is aware of this. 66 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:16,000 So I didn't I didn't see it as a major issue because I assume everyone is facing the same sort of challenge. 67 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,000 So it was kind of it was kind of okay. Yeah. 68 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:29,000 And were there any kind of any positives, any things that you felt were kind of easier or or or nicer or more relaxed because of the online format? 69 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:34,000 Yeah, I mean, I personally do prefer in-person meetings because you can build rapport a bit easier. 70 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:40,000 You can make proper eye contact, but not having to travel was quite nice. 71 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,000 I didn't have to worry about being late, unless the Internet had died. 72 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,000 But, you know, in general, our Internet is really strong. 73 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:53,000 So I could just kind of get up in the morning and not think, oh, my gosh, I need to make sure the train isn't late or. 74 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:58,000 Yeah. So it was quite nice, actually, not having to worry about about that. 75 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:04,000 So, yeah, I'd say that was a benefit. But other than that I'd say I didn't find it dramatically different. 76 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:13,000 You know, it was interviews are Always scary. You know, I think I think either way, it's not it's not the easiest of things to go through. 77 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,000 But, you know, I think having a nice panel really helped. 78 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:22,000 And, you know, I think just making sure your Internet is working and stuff is really important to you. 79 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:28,000 But, yeah, I wouldn't say there were any massive positives or necessarily any massive negatives either. 80 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:34,000 It was kind of. Yeah, it was it was different. But it was but it was fine. 81 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:42,000 So can we talk a little bit more about what was involved as part of the application process? 82 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:48,000 So you said that you did an online application form and a CV were that particular things like. 83 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:55,000 Required as part of the application form. Did you have to do like a personal statement against the job specification or questions? 84 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:59,000 Upload documents, anything like that? Yeah. 85 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:09,000 So I believe I had to fill in in the application form, I had to refer to how I met the sort of essential and desirable criteria. 86 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:17,000 And as a rule of thumb, what I always do is I actually copy across all of the headings from the job description. 87 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,000 And I specifically answer each one. 88 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:28,000 So, you know, and that's always worked quite well for me because it means that the person reading the application can literally see straightaway. 89 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:35,000 Okay. They've actually tried to answer every single one of these essential and desirable criteria. 90 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:41,000 So I remember specifically doing that, but I don't think it had off the top of my head. 91 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:46,000 I can't remember having any really sort of specific things that were out of the ordinary. 92 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:53,000 It was kind of just an application form. And yeah, your CV, which I obviously tailored for four jobs, 93 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:59,000 I made sure that I prioritise certain things and put things at the top that were really important. 94 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:05,000 So, you know, my publication record and my previous work experience were important for this particular position. 95 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:14,000 So, you know, I just made sure that it was really I make it as easy as possible for us to do application to see, 96 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:21,000 you know, the key things that they need to know about you rather than having it hidden or or further down the page. 97 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:27,000 Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a couple of things that you said and that just really useful kind 98 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:32,000 of simple tools like copy and cross the headings of the person specification. 99 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:36,000 I do that and I don't necessarily use them as headings, but I make sure that, 100 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:40,000 like with the example I'm giving the examples I have the exact language from the person. 101 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:46,000 specification. Just say it like you're having all the signals or making it really, really clear. 102 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:51,000 And so with the interview, was there any preparation you have to do for the interview? 103 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:58,000 Did you have to do task or anything like that? No, I didn't. 104 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:03,000 I don't think. But I did send across some material in advance. Just off my own bat. 105 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,000 OK. So I, I basically just really wanted this job. 106 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,000 So I probably came across as extremely keen. I think that's fine. 107 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:19,000 So I essentially sent across some examples of my work just to help bolster my application. 108 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:25,000 So part of the role was and so I work on dissemination work package for one of for projects. 109 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:30,000 So, you know, I don't just do research. I have to help with dissemination and communication. 110 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,000 So I sent across a couple of examples of infographics, ive made, 111 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:41,000 and I think I sent them a podcast and things like that just to show that even though I'm mostly trained in research, 112 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:48,000 I am capable of doing with dissemination side as well, because, you know, it was quite hard to articulate that without providing evidence. 113 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,000 So I made sure to send that. But it wasn't a prerequisite. 114 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:57,000 They didn't ask for it, but I just felt that it would help them to see that, you know, I'm not just saying I can do it. 115 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:06,000 I have shown them. Yeah, absolutely. And I think, you know, as part of the whole job application process, that's to be being proactive. 116 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:14,000 It is so crucial to the whole process. And do your remember what kind of questions they asked you an interview. 117 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:21,000 Oh, my gosh. One of one of the questions I asked was actually where I'd like my career to go. 118 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,000 Which one? Yeah. So and I was quite sort of. 119 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:29,000 And I was like, well, I could just say, oh, I just desperately want. 120 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:35,000 this job forever to try and persuade them to give it to me. But I decided to be honest and actually that really paid off. 121 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:40,000 So I said, you know, within a few years I'd like to be a research fellow. 122 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:49,000 And when I got offered the job, they said that actually really helped me get the job because they want people to progress and they like ambition, so. 123 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:55,000 Yeah. So I remember they asked me that was. Oh, they asked. 124 00:12:55,000 --> 00:13:02,000 They asked questions about my research interests. So, again, you know, I don't want to end up doing research I'm not passionate about. 125 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:11,000 So I was completely honest. You know, I explained that I'm very interested in farm advice and soil health and the environment. 126 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:21,000 And again, you know, it was just lucky that the job I was applying for, you know, happened to be really aligned in my research interests. 127 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,000 They also asked me to talk about. So this is a really common in question. 128 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:31,000 I think I've had it in every interview I've ever done. They ask what your sort of weakness is. 129 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:38,000 And I always. Yeah, and I always tackle that by giving an example of a weakness. 130 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,000 I may be used to have. 131 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:48,000 And then I explain how I resolved it or how I managed to kind of overcome it or how I'm working to do so so that I don't just say, 132 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:56,000 oh, I'm really bad at this. And then that's it. I make sure to say, you know, I used to really struggle with time management, for example. 133 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:05,000 But since then, I've decided to have to make more lists and to use my calendar more just as an example. 134 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,000 So that's something that I think I've been asked in every interview I've ever had 135 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:19,000 Yeah. I wondered, so you said that you're working on you've completed a full thesis draft and you're working on feedback from your supervisors. 136 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:28,000 Is that right? Yes, that's correct. So you started this job in September and to those listening we are currently in February. 137 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:37,000 So with a period of five months you've been working full time and finishing writing up your thesis. 138 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:44,000 So are you technically still registered full time for you for your PhD 139 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:48,000 No. No. So, I mean, continuation status. Yeah. 140 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:53,000 Yeah. So my my funding finished in September. 141 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:57,000 And then I started my job in September, which was quite nice because, you know, 142 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:03,000 I couldn't afford to have a gap in and, you know, financially, it's very difficult to to have a gap. 143 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:13,000 So I kind of did need to start. But equally, you know, due to various reasons, due to the pandemic and things, I hadn't quite finished my PhD. 144 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:21,000 So, yeah, I just I just had to go for it really and sort of just make sure I work on the thesis as much as I can. 145 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:27,000 So what I did once I'd settled into this ECRI, which is where I work now, 146 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:33,000 I took a week of annual leave and just sort of really worked on a thesis because 147 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:38,000 I find it hard to I can do some work in the evenings on the on the thesis, 148 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:42,000 but I think it's hard to get into that headspace when you've been working on other research all day. 149 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:49,000 So I decided to use my annual leave up to sort of get the bits of my thesis just finished. 150 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:57,000 I needed to. And then it's been quite nice because I actually handed in my draft to my supervisors 151 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:04,000 in November and then it took three months to get my supervisor comments back in full. 152 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:09,000 So I essentially just had three months to just work on my job and and other bits, 153 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:13,000 too, because I seemed to just always have several other bits going on with work. 154 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:17,000 But yeah, so I've only just got it back a couple of weeks ago. 155 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,000 So I now now hatched a plan. 156 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:31,000 I have now had my full draft back with supervisors comments throughout and I've hatched a very strict plan to make sure that I do submit and that I, 157 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:38,000 you know, have time to sort of make sure I answer all of that comments and proofread and do any final bits. 158 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:43,000 So, you know, my goal now is to submit at the end of March. 159 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,000 And again, I've had to take another week of annual leave. 160 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:55,000 So next week, I I've completely taken myself away from ECRI work so that I can just focus on the thesis because, 161 00:16:55,000 --> 00:17:03,000 you know, I do need to be able to get into that headspace again. And, you know, I am working a lot of evenings and I worked yesterday on it, 162 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:10,000 but I think it's much easier to do it when you have a proper chunk of time to just focus on your PhD 163 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,000 Yeah, that's what I was going to ask is how what's your plan and kind of managing your time. 164 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:23,000 And I know I'm speaking to quite a few people who not necessarily you've kind of started a job early, you know, before they finish their PhD 165 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:27,000 but people who've been working full time throughout and they've said that, you know, particularly in the write up stage, 166 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:34,000 that's been the way that they've managed it the best is to kind of take a big chunk of time. 167 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:40,000 And work exclusively on it rather than try and just do it all in evenings and weekends. 168 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:48,000 Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, working full time, I simply don't have the time or energy and I really don't want to burn out. 169 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:53,000 So overall, I work a lot of evenings. I can't work every evening. 170 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,000 It's just not sustainable. And and, you know, my new job, I love it. 171 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:01,000 But it does require me to work quite long hours. 172 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:07,000 So I often actually work in the evenings on my CCRI work. So by the time I can get there, you stay. 173 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:13,000 So, look, well, you know, it's quite late at night. So I do think for blocking out time is the best way forward. 174 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:25,000 Really? Yeah. What was it like starting a job in a new academic department during COVID 175 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:34,000 So it was bizarre, to say the least, because I couldn't meet anyone in person for ages. 176 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,000 I have now met a few people in person. 177 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:43,000 So we had a couple of months where I don't know if they had all these weird tiers and people were starting to go in again. 178 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,000 And so I went into the office a couple of times and met people. 179 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:54,000 But aside from that, I've I've essentially done the job for almost six months just working from home, which has been odd. 180 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:59,000 But luckily the centre I work with a really, really lovely. 181 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:04,000 So they have made a real effort with me. So they have like a morning coffee break. 182 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:08,000 Twice a week just. And you can just join as you'd like. 183 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:14,000 And it means you get to just have a chat with people. And I've had them send lots of emails. 184 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:18,000 We even had to what sub-group where we all sort of sat running goals and things. 185 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:24,000 So, you know, it's really helped me build some rapport. And I'm also incredibly lucky. 186 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:32,000 I had already met a few of them, you know, in the past. So I sort of had a little bit of a rapport with them already. 187 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:37,000 But, you know, I have other friends who started in jobs. So my friend Beth. 188 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:42,000 She's in the same situation as me. And she hasn't been able to meet anyone. 189 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,000 And I think I think it is difficult. 190 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:53,000 But you have to just almost make that effort to just have a bit of, you know, like talk that you'd have over coffee when you're in the office. 191 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:59,000 You always have to try and do that in meetings a little bit. People obviously really fatigued from Zoom and that 192 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:08,000 We often have a little bit small talk before we get into the nitty gritty of it research just to help us to feel connected. 193 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:14,000 So, yeah. But I'd say my experience has been amazing. Like, I'm incredibly lucky with that, with a sense of I've I've ended up in. 194 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:19,000 It's really nice. Yeah. And I think the things that you're saying, I mean, because we've been I mean, 195 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,000 apart from all of the different things that the difficulty is we've generally 196 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:30,000 been in this situation for so long that actually organisations and ah and, 197 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:36,000 you know, employees within it getting much better at kind of creating those opportunities for that more informal. 198 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,000 But community building, I think. 199 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:46,000 So, I mean, those kind of opportunities for people to talk and chat in a way that's not about work to sort of finish up. 200 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:55,000 What advice would you give to someone who's looking at applying for kind of postdocs sort of research jobs at the moment during the pandemic? 201 00:20:55,000 --> 00:21:00,000 Is there anything that you kind of wish somebody had told you or anything you've learnt from the process that you think, 202 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:07,000 yeah, people need to know this? Yeah, so I'd say just when you're applying. 203 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:17,000 Just try to stay optimistic. I know it can be really difficult, especially if you have, you know, some unsuccessful applications go through it. 204 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,000 It can't be quite demeaning. But just keep your chin up. 205 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:27,000 Just keep going. And always just have confidence in yourself and your skills that you've developed in your PhD 206 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:32,000 And I'd say also make sure that you show other people your applications and CVs 207 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:39,000 So even if it's, you know, peers or anyone who could maybe take a look at it, you know, through a different lens and say, 208 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:46,000 oh, actually this skill here is really useful for this criteria for looking for why haven't you suggested that? 209 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,000 So, you know, I think it's really important to keep talking. 210 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:54,000 And equally, if you're starting to feel, you know, down that you haven't got a position yet. 211 00:21:54,000 --> 00:22:01,000 Just just keep talking to people. And in the meantime, just keep developing developing yourself. 212 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,000 So if there's things you could do that would both to application, for example, you know, 213 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:14,000 completing your HEZ application or, you know, making a podcast or whatever it is that might help you to get that job. 214 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:18,000 I would I would just, you know, keep keep trying to do that. 215 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:29,000 And okay, so if you if you get to interview stage and I would say just be prepared, you know, have notes by the side of you, maybe have a mock interview. 216 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:35,000 So I always ask my partner to go through some potential questions. 217 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:41,000 And he he's not in academia. He's got you know, he wouldn't really have a clue what I'm going to be asked, 218 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,000 but he knows that I'll be asked about my weaknesses and other things like that. 219 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:49,000 So whoever it is you're living with, if you're living with anyone or have a Zoom call 220 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,000 Just get people to help you, you know, practise for an interview, 221 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:59,000 because it may be that if you've done a PhD, you may not have been interviewed in free for years. 222 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,000 So it's almost like a completely new thing to go through again. 223 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,000 So I think just making sure that you're really prepared for that. 224 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:14,000 I always find reading blogs useful on how to respond to certain questions and just, you know, make sure, you know, 225 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:22,000 the job description as well as you possibly can have your CV and stuff open during your interview so that you can have a look. 226 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:29,000 I'd recommend printouts, though, because you don't want to be seen to be clicking about when you're in your Zoom call because it looks unprofessional. 227 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,000 I'd say like taking about I wouldn't do it personally. 228 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:38,000 I just have notes by the side of me so I can refer to those if needed. 229 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:47,000 And aside from that, I mean, yeah, my main task is just to stay as optimistic as you can and to look after yourself while you're applying for jobs. 230 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:53,000 Thanks so much to Charlotte for sharing her experience with me. I think it's really helpful to know. 231 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:58,000 Actually, all of these processes are still the same and these opportunities are still out there. 232 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:04,000 Even during COVID 19. And that's it for this episode. 233 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:18,585 Join us next time when we'll be talking to another researcher about their career beyond their research degree.
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