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Battle Tactics for Your Sexist Workplace
28 minutes | Jun 6, 2022
Running Out Of Words
After the latest series of national events where, as Eula says, the country has "played us for f***ing fools", Eula and Jeannie have decided it's time for a break. Like so many of us, they need some quiet and some rest. They're taking a break for the summer but hope to be back in the fall. If you have a podcast you want to share with our listeners, shoot us a message at email@example.com. We're happy to see if we can drop it in our feed. And we're still reachable on Twitter and Instagram @btswpodcast. If you're a Patreon member, 1) thank you for your support! and 2) Eula and Jeannie hope to show up there over the summer with AMAs and other bonus material. It's a really hard time to be a human. Take care of yourselves. <3 See you in a few months.
41 minutes | May 23, 2022
Firing The Voice Police (Part 2) With The Vocal Fries
When we asked the BTSW Facebook group whether they'd ever been voice policed on the job, we got a ton of stories and responses. So many that we decided we needed to dedicate a whole episode just to those stories. So today is Part 2 of our conversation with the hosts of the excellent podcast https://vocalfriespod.com/ (The Vocal Fries) - the podcast about linguistic discrimination. Megan Figueroa is a linguist, writer, and research scientist, and Carrie Gillon is also a linguist and the language planner and researcher for the Squamish nation in British Columbia. If you haven't heard Part 1 yet, https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/firing-the-voice-police-part-1-with-the-vocal-fries/id1391206534?i=1000560022587 (go check it out). The Vocal Fries drop some truly amazing wisdom about the connections between voice and grammar policing and white supremacy and colonialism. Battle Tactics For Your Sexist Workplace is an independent podcast! https://www.patreon.com/btsw (Become a patron on Patreon) and help support the show.
38 minutes | May 9, 2022
Firing The Voice Police (Part 1) With The Vocal Fries
We usually ask folks to support our show on Patreon. Today, we wanted to suggest places to support crucial abortion services. https://www.plannedparenthood.org/ (Planned Parenthood ) https://shoutyourabortion.com/ (Shout Your Abortion) https://prochoice.org/ (National Abortion Federation ) **NOTE: During this episode, we refer to Rachel Jeantel by her last name only. We wanted to clarify and use her full name here. Rachel Jeantel was a primary prosecution witness at Trayvon Martin's murder trial. Court officials claimed she was "hard to understand" and ultimately her testimony was dismissed as not credible.** A couple months ago, Jeannie asked the BTSW Facebook group whether anyone had ever gotten criticized for how they speak or sound while at work. The response was overwhelming. So many listeners had stories about getting their voice or speech policed on the job. Megan Figueroa and Carrie Gillon know about voice policing better than most - and the many ways it causes more harm than good. They're the cohosts of the excellent podcast https://vocalfriespod.com/ (The Vocal Fries), the podcast about linguistic discrimination. Plus, Carrie is a former professor of linguistics and the Language Planner and Researcher for the Squamish Nation, and Megan recently finished her PhD at the University of Arizona, where she's a Project Manager at a language development lab. Carrie and Megan go deep on the ways linguistic discrimination can harm women on the job and elsewhere, and why all of us who have taken joy in correcting someone for using the wrong "your" or "their" on Twitter maybe need to check ourselves.
31 minutes | Mar 7, 2022
A BTSW Tactic In Action: Going Public About A Pay Gap
Hi! We love making BTSW - and if you love listening, help us make it! https://www.patreon.com/btsw (Become a patron of the show) or https://poweredbyshunpike.org/c/PBS/a/everythingsonfire (make a tax-deductible donation). "BREAKING: Schwing quits the Northwest News Network. The reason? My male colleagues make tens of thousands of dollars more for the same work. And TBH, making this public scares the S-H-star-T out of me. " That was a tweet https://twitter.com/emilyschwing?lang=en (reporter Emily Schwing) sent in March 2019, after quitting her job with something called the Northwest News Network. That’s a collection of public radio stations in Washington and Idaho that do regional news reporting. (BTSW's old production partner, KUOW, is part of the Northwest News Network.) We talked with Emily because she DID a tactic we actually talked about on the show - she quit a job because she felt like she was dealing with a gender pay gap. And then - even though she didn’t really want to go public about why she quit- she went public about why she quit. And then something unexpected happened - her tweet went kinda viral. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/a-gender-pay-gap-in-northwest-public-radio-network-sparks-debate/ (Local newspapers) https://crosscut.com/2019/03/does-public-radio-northwest-have-gender-pay-gap (picked up the story). And suddenly Emily found herself wondering what was going to happen to her job prospects if future employers Googled her and found all this stuff about her complaining about being underpaid at her previous job. FWIW: Emily has done some amazing work since March 2019 - with https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/21/us/census-alaska-native.html (The New York Times), https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/dinosaur-footprints-alaska-climate-change/2021/07/23/ee245814-e990-11eb-8950-d73b3e93ff7f_story.html (The Washington Post), and with the excellent podcasts https://revealnews.org/podcast/unrepentant/ (Reveal) and https://70-million.simplecast.com/episodes/on-tribal-land-banishment-rehabilitation-and-re-entry-add-up-to-justice (70 Million).
38 minutes | Feb 7, 2022
Old Boys' Clubs, Dress Codes, And "Feminists": Advice With Keita Williams AKA Success Bully
Over the course of making this podcast, we have gotten a lot of messages from listeners asking for help, perspective, and advice on crappy work situations. Eula and Jeannie rounded up a bunch of those messages and brought in some deep expertise to help respond - in the form of the fantastic Keita Williams, founder and head of the elite accountability practice http://www.successbully.com/ (Success Bully). She brings insight and tons of tactics for sticky (wait! we mean sexist and racist) workplace dilemmas. NOTE: This episode was originally recorded in The Before Times (2019), but disappointingly, the problems listeners wrote in about then - from self-proclaimed woke dude co-workers who come down harder on women to gendered pay gaps to leaders bragging about never taking a sick day - are still extremely relevant. Yes, https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/06/sick-leave-covid-time-off/612361/ (bosses are still being stingy about sick time DURING A PANDEMIC). https://theconversation.com/survey-shows-some-bosses-are-using-the-pandemic-as-an-excuse-to-push-workers-159417 (It's a real thing). Let's all take a moment https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/28/business/roxane-gay-work-pandemic.html (to sigh in disappointment).
59 minutes | Jan 24, 2022
Diversity Guests: A Chat With TBTL's Luke Burbank And Andrew Walsh
We have often talked *about* straight cis white dudes on this show. But the number of times we've talked *to* them on the show? Next to never. So we wanted to revisit this bonus episode from the Before Times with two of our favorite dudes, Luke Burbank and Andrew Walsh, the co-hosts of the long-running daily podcast https://www.tbtl.net/ (Too Beautiful To Live). We talked about allyship and their own evolving thoughts about racism and sexism on the job. Luke also hosts https://www.livewireradio.org/ (Live Wire) on public radio stations everywhere and Andrew also co-hosts the delightful podcasts https://spotlesspod.com/ (Spotless )and https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/after-these-messages-podcast/id1057815491 (After These Messages).
29 minutes | Jan 10, 2022
How One Woman Of Color (Specifically, Eula) Ended Up Leaving Public Radio
Earlier this week, https://twitter.com/audiecornish/status/1478398877787111424?s=21 (longtime NPR host Audie Cornish announced she's quitting her job). Soon after, public media Twitter started re-asking questions it's been asking for a while now: why are so many people of color leaving public radio? Audie's co-host https://twitter.com/arishapiro/status/1478386081016033290?s=10 (Ari Shapiro) tweeted a thread about it, including re-tweeting https://twitter.com/samsanders/status/1436025093872885760?s=10 (a list from NPR podcast host Sam Sanders listing all the hosts from underestimated backgrounds who'd recently left NPR) (that list is now outdated). Other folks pointed out that this pattern doesn't end at highly visible national hosts. All over the country, at your favorite NPR member station, people in management are very likely wondering why their staff isn't more diverse. Why it's "so hard" to hire and retain people of color in public radio newsrooms. It's with that context in mind that we decided to share this episode, where Eula (a part-time freelancer) and Jeannie (a full-time permanent employee) tell the story of the day they learned their podcast would no longer be produced by the Seattle NPR station KUOW, and what that meant for each of them. http://www.hellablackhellaseattle.com/ (Hella Black Hella Seattle ) https://audioinsurgent.substack.com/p/people-dont-follow-money-they-follow ("People Don't Follow Money, They Follow Vision" - A look at 'public radio's latest existential drama')
35 minutes | Dec 13, 2021
How To Stand Up For Your Co-Workers - And Yourself
Have you ever found yourself in a situation where you wanted to be an effective ally or advocate for a co-worker, but when a situation arises that seems like you should be doing or saying something, you worry that you won’t do the most helpful thing? That your actions or words might actually make things worse for your co-worker? How do you know you’re actually helping? This is a dilemma that comes up a lot in emails from listeners. And in the Before Times, we talked to someone about exactly this question. Jeannie considers this guest a total expert in workplace advocacy and allyship....largely because she advocated for Jeannie when they worked together, and for a bunch of their colleagues. Her name is http://phyl.com/ (Phyllis Fletcher), an author and editor who lives here in Seattle. you've probably heard her name before - she's in Season 3 credits for providing expert editorial consulting. Eula and Jeannie originally talked with Phyllis for bonus episode for Season 2. But her tactics feel more relevant than ever. So we wanted to make sure everyone can hear what she has to say.
25 minutes | Nov 29, 2021
When Eula Met Jeannie
Love BTSW? Help keep it going - https://www.patreon.com/btsw (become a patron)! How did you two meet? When it comes to this podcast, that's the question Eula and Jeannie get asked the most. And it's one of their favorite stories to tell. So on this episode, we're doing something a little different. We're having them tell the story of how they met and their friendship. Big thanks to our Senior Producer Kyle Norris for suggesting we make this a podcast episode! https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2021/11/10/making-friends-adults (You're Not Uncool. Making Friends As An Adult Is Just Hard. ) https://www.bigfriendship.com/ (Big Friendship: How We Keep Each Other Close ) https://www.forbes.com/sites/katecooper/2021/09/28/the-importance-of-work-friends/?sh=6ab5045766d2 (The Importance Of Work Friends )
1 minutes | Nov 15, 2021
We'll Be Back On November 29th!
Some stuff broke, and we need a minute to regroup. We'll be back in two weeks! In the meantime, if you miss us, there's a whole bunch of fresh bonus content https://www.patreon.com/btsw (on our Patreon) for supporting members.
44 minutes | Nov 1, 2021
Why Imposter Syndrome Is Starting "To Sound Like Bulls**t"
Love BTSW? Help keep it going - https://www.patreon.com/btsw (become a patron) and we'll thank you with all kinds of cool benefits, from AMAs with the hosts to show swag. "Carry yourself with the confidence of a mediocre white guy". This was a tactic we heard in our https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-the-patriarchy-makes-you-feel-like-an-imposter/id1391206534?i=1000416486363 (Season 1 episode on Imposter Syndrome). If you haven't yet, give this episode a listen. It's our most downloaded episode, and the topic we are asked to speak the most about. For a while, it's felt as though lots of us couldn't get enough tactics to battle imposter syndrome within ourselves. Then, our friends and all-around geniuses Jodi-Ann Burey and Ruchika Tulshyan co-wrote https://hbr.org/2021/02/stop-telling-women-they-have-imposter-syndrome (Stop Telling Women They Have imposter Syndrome), for the Harvard Business Review, followed by https://hbr.org/2021/07/end-imposter-syndrome-in-your-workplace (End Imposter Syndrome In Your Workplace) (chock-full of tactics, btw!). And it got us thinking: Are we still cool with what we said about imposter syndrome in that old episode? That it is truly an individual issue we must each overcome, rather than a red flag about bigger, systemic biases and obstacles? So we asked Jodi-Ann to listen to that old episode, poke holes in it, and tell us why she thinks imposter syndrome is bulls**t. Which is exactly what she did - in a delightful, hilarious, thought-provoking way. GUEST: https://jodiannburey.com/ (Jodi-Ann Burey) is a disruptor, thinker, and writer - and her https://www.ted.com/talks/jodi_ann_burey_the_myth_of_bringing_your_full_authentic_self_to_work (TEDx Seattle Talk on authenticity at work) has been viewed more than a million times. Find her on instagram @jodiannburey. Her podcast is called https://www.blackcancer.co/ (Black Cancer).
34 minutes | Oct 18, 2021
Sometimes Invisibility Isn't A Superpower
We love making this podcast, but it costs money to keep going! Help us keep the show alive - https://www.patreon.com/btsw (become a patron) and get all kinds of special thank-you goodies. There's a phenomenon researchers have observed among many women in the workplace that they call https://hbr.org/2018/08/why-women-stay-out-of-the-spotlight-at-work ("intentional invisibility"). It happens because for many women, they are both aware that they must be visible at work to get ahead - own their ideas, speak up, use their voices - while also worrying that they'll be penalized for being too visible. For being too assertive, or too intimidating, or just...too much. (Decades of research on both racial and gender bias in American workplaces indicates this is a valid concern and a real danger, btw.) So these women choose the path of less potential conflict. They shrink themselves so they're not penalized for being too big. They intentionally choose invisibility. Angela 'Merk' Nguyen has been told she's too much - at her job and even before that. But instead of shrinking and becoming invisible, she went in the opposite direction. She stayed visible. She spoke up to people in her personal life and professional life. And she tells Jeannie and Eula why - even though it wasn't easy to keep speaking up - she'll never go the invisibility route. GUEST: Angela 'Merk' Nguyen is LV, or Little Voice, on the awesome podcast for tweens https://listentotrouble.com/ (Ooh! You're In Trouble). For five seasons, she was the co-host and co-producer of the podcast https://www.radiotopia.fm/podcasts/adult-ish (Adult ISH.) And soon, you'll hear her voice work all over kids' animated films! Follow her @ultraraduberfad on Instagram and Twitter.
37 minutes | Oct 4, 2021
Help support the show! https://www.patreon.com/btsw (Become a patron now) and get all kinds of extra goodies. Even before the conservatorship, Britney Spears had to figure out how to navigate a stunningly sexist workplace. The kind of workplace where it was considered charming for a fully adult Ed McMahon to compliment your "pretty eyes" and ask if you have a boyfriend...when you're ten years old...and on national television. Jeannie and Eula have a heart-to-heart about the public narrative around Britney Spears, and how we all had a hand in creating her toxic, sexist workplace - one that only got worse once she became a mom. And they talk about how to do better from here on out. The documentary we discuss in this episode is https://www.hulu.com/series/the-new-york-times-presents-f22278d1-ef56-40e8-9227-af3a029ca6f4 (Framing Britney Spears,) available on Hulu. There's now a second documentary on Hulu too. It's called https://www.hulu.com/series/the-new-york-times-presents-f22278d1-ef56-40e8-9227-af3a029ca6f4 (Controlling Britney Spears). We highly recommend you start with Framing Britney Spears. Other stuff from this episode: https://gimletmedia.com/shows/mystery-show/emhe24 (Mystery Show Episode 2: Britney) https://astro-charts.com/persons/chart/britney-spears/ (Britney's Astrological Birth Chart )
68 minutes | Sep 20, 2021
Part 2: "Telling The Whole Truth" About Grief At Work
We can't make the show without you! https://www.patreon.com/btsw (Become a patron) and get all kinds of extra goodies. When Marisa Renee Lee's mother passed away, Marisa tried to do everything right. She continued to work hard at her job. She saved her asks for time off and support at work for when she really needed it. And she tried to make sure all the tasks that surround a loved one's illness and passing were completed in an efficient way. Her lesson: you can't project-manage and hustle your way out of grief. Even if everything around you is saying that's the way forward. We wanted to talk with Marisa after learning about the book she's writing, https://www.marisareneelee.com/grief-is-love (Grief Is Love), and after discovering she's been thinking about something we both get nerdily excited about: a new national policy! Yessss! Seriously, though, Marisa has been thinking through what a national grief policy might look like, and why the US needs one. She was Managing Director for the https://www.obama.org/mbka/ (My Brother's Keeper Alliance) and the Deputy Director of Private Sector Engagement for the Obama Administration, and she worked with now-President Biden during that time. She says if any President can create and pass a national grief policy, it's Biden. And she says now is the time to move on it. We both get pretty real with Marisa about our own grief in this episode, and she gets real with us about what it means to grieve, what it means to be there for our grieving friends and co-workers, and why workplaces and other institutions have to get their shit together when it comes to meaningful grief support. The conversation gets heavy, but we love it because it's also funny and hopeful and goofy. We hope you love it too.
38 minutes | Sep 6, 2021
Part 1: Yes, Your Workplace Is Grieving - Even If You Don't Realize It
We can't make the show without you! https://www.patreon.com/btsw (Become a patron) and get all kinds of extra goodies. A few months ago, we asked members of the BTSW Facebook group whether they were experiencing grief, and what they were grieving. We got dozens of answers - people were grieving their lives before the pandemic. Live music and theater. Child care. Friends, family, and partners. Jobs. Relationships. Those answers made something very clear - we are all grieving. Many of us are grieving multiple losses. Then we heard from a group member who's also an Episcopal minister - Anjel Scarborough. She told us what grief actually looks like. How long it takes to process. And she helped us understand something else - that as a nation, and a culture, we are terrible at recognizing grief when it's right in front of us. We don't know how to support each other or ourselves. And yes, those blind spots when it comes to grief are rooted in patriarchy. So what do we do about all that? Anjel has some tactics for us. If you are a young adult needing support due to a COVID loss, Anjel suggests contacting the COVID Grief Network . Here are 4 additional resources she suggested: http://mhaw.org/get-involved/advocacy-awareness-2-2-3/ (Association for Mental Health & Wellness) (links to many types of grief support groups) SAMHSA (Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration) Hotline for referrals - 1-800-662-HELP http://bereavementcenter.org/covid-19-info/ (Center for Loss and Bereavement) https://www.thewarmplace.org/covid-19-resources/ (The WARM Place) (grief support for children) And if you want to learn more about the physical toll grief can take, https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/22/well/what-happens-in-the-body-during-grief.html (this NYT piece) is a great overview. Support our show! https://www.patreon.com/btsw (Become a patron )and receive extra goodies like bonus content, Jeannie's research lists for each episode, and monthly AMAs with the hosts.
45 minutes | Aug 23, 2021
Surprise! You're An Essential Worker!
We can't make the show without you! https://www.patreon.com/btsw (Become a patron) and get all kinds of extra goodies. Even in the Before Times, the restaurant industry had problems. Seventy percent of its women and femme employees said they'd experienced sexual harassment on the job. The EEOC took in more harassment complaints from restaurant workers than any other workplace. And then there's the federal minimum wage for tipped workers - a whopping $2.13 per hour. Then Covid hit. Jeannie and Eula talk with a longtime server in Illinois about how her job changed with the pandemic, and how waiting tables during Covid has changed her.
2 minutes | Jul 20, 2021
BTSW Season 3 Starts August 23!
We're baaaaaaack! Friends, we're so excited to bring you Season 3 of Battle Tactics For Your Sexist Workplace. This season, we'll take a deep look at grief (surprise! The way we handle grief is sexist!), revisit imposter syndrome, discuss what it takes (and costs) to be your authentic self at work, and we look at what may be the most sexist workplace in America: restaurants. We've missed you so much and can't wait to bring you this new season. The guests are brilliant, the tactics are fire, the facts are (as always) sad, and the jokes are (as always) pretty dorky. And if you want to help support us and get the inside scoop on upcoming episodes, become a patron of the show! https://www.patreon.com/btsw (https://www.patreon.com/btsw)
64 minutes | Nov 26, 2019
BTSW Live: Who gets to be the hero?
There's no shortage of hero stories in our books, on TV, and in movies. And for a long time, most of our heroes, from flawed to super, had something in common: they were either white dudes or femme fatales. (Or in Superman's case, a space alien who passed as a white dude.) But wait! That doesn't mean we're doomed to have the same kinds of stories or the same kinds of heroes forever. Join Eula Scott Bynoe and Jeannie Yandel, hosts of KUOW’s Battle Tactics For Your Sexist Workplace podcast, for a fascinating, funny conversation about who gets to be the hero and why it matters. Eula and Jeannie will welcome real life superheroes, comic book writer G. Willow Wilson and Salon.com TV critic Melanie McFarland.
26 minutes | Nov 5, 2019
Patriarchy hurts men too. Liz Plank wants us to talk about that.
Liz Plank is an award-winning journalist and the author of the new book *For the Love of Men. *She talks to Jeannie Yandel about why we need to have more conversations about the patriarchy that include men’s voices.
26 minutes | Oct 22, 2019
Madam Pomfrey (Women of Harry Potter)
On this week's podcast, we share an episode from a podcast we love, Women of Harry Potter a feminist podcast that looks at the women characters in the series. —- It’s Vanessa’s turn to bless a female character of Harry Potter, and she’s chosen to bless Madam Pomfrey for her invisible labor. Ariana invents a game about woman doctors in America.
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