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100 minutes | 9 days ago
#87 | Paul Barach on Japan's Shikoku Pilgrimage + Murphy's Law
In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Paul Barach. Paul is an avid adventurer, but today, we focus in on his trek along Japan's Shikoku Pilgrimage, a 750-mile route that visits nearly 90 temples. This was Paul's first backpacking trip, as evidenced by everything that went wrong, including suffering from heat exhaustion, dehydration, being charged by a wild boar, breaking a piece of an ancient temple, getting a leg infection, and more. Not only do we get a good taste for the history of this island and pilgrimage, but Paul's stories are some truly hall of fame material. We do the triple crown of states, learn about the crap strap, and are blessed with a fan poop story. Minus33 discount code (listen to episode to get the code): 15% off your first purchase at minus33.com. Gossamer Gear discount code: Use code: POOPSTORY for 15% off your purchase at gossamergear.com. True Thru-Hiker Shirt & Mug Interview with Paul Barach Author of Fighting Monks and Burning Mountains: Misadventures on a Buddhist Pilgrimage Instagram: @barachoutdoors 00:04:28 - QOTD: How are you prepping for winter? 00:07:15 - If you’re hiking next year, apply to vlog, blog, or be an ambassador! 00:07:41 - Paul Barach intro 00:09:30 - How did you get into backpacking originally? 00:09:55 - What kind of ninjas were you obsessed with, specifically? 00:12:36 - After realizing your job sucked, how long did it take to get on trail? 00:13:47 - How did not prepping affect your pilgrimage? 00:15:04 - Can you tell us what the Shikoku pilgrimage entails? 00:16:49 - Can you tell us more about the history of the trail? 00:18:42 - Is there a guidebook for the trail (including the spiritual side)? 00:20:28 - How much traffic is there on this pilgrimage? 00:21:21 - Were you drawn by the religious aspect of the pilgrimage? 00:23:10 - Do you not need a backpack? 00:23:45 - Did you feel more spiritually enlightened from the experience? 00:24:40 - When did you start? 00:24:45 - What is the hiking season in Japan? 00:25:18 - What kind of temperatures were you dealing with? 00:26:00 - Did you have any issues with your sodium balance? 00:26:51 - What is the camping situation like? 00:28:21 - Are people in towns excited to see pilgrims? 00:29:38 - Did you learn Japanese while on the hike? 00:31:05 - How did you handle the logistics? 00:34:06 - Were you doing something wrong? Why couldn’t you find food? 00:34:52 - Do you hitch to town or walk through them? 00:35:21 - How is dried squid? 00:36:06 - How did you get charged by a boar? 00:38:00 - Were you second-guessing what you were doing? 00:43:20 - What is the story of you falling at an ancient temple and breaking a piece of it? 00:46:47 - What was wrong with your leg? How did you know it was infected? 00:49:16 - Can you tell us about the karate fight with a priest? 00:52:34 - What does kumite mean? 00:56:00 - How do you know what martial arts you’ll want to do? 00:57:30 - What’s the worst injury you’ve sustained from martial arts? 00:58:22 - Is kyokushin represented in the UFC at all? 01:00:15 - Do you break boards? 01:04:10 - Is there anything else about the pilgrimage you want to talk about? 01:09:38 - Can you make an adaptation of the oaths for U.S. thru-hiking? SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda The Uncomfortable Truth about Thru-Hiking and Weight Loss by Katie Kommer Five Things I Learned Thru-Hiking as a Solo Female by Kaylin Mountain Lions and Thru-Hiking: Your Questions Answered by Kelly Floro Triple Crown of States Point / Counterpoint: Beer vs. Liquor Patent Pending: Strap & Crap Mail Bag 5 Star Review Comment ______ to win a sticker (there are bonus points)! [divider] Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Jason Lawrence, Austen McDaniel, Andrew, Christopher Marshburn, S11N, and Sawyer Products A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Cynthia Voth, Brandon Spilker, Emily Brown, Jeffrey Miller, Mitchell, Zoe Jenkins, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Mark Snook, Peter Ellenberg, Thomas Fullmer, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube.
148 minutes | 17 days ago
#86 | Nathan Hankes on Post-War Healing on the Appalachian Trail
In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Nathan Hankes. Nathan is an army veteran, having served a tour in Iraq as a drone operator for the United States Army in the aftermath of 9/11. Upon returning from his tour, Nathan turned to the Appalachian Trail to sort out the residual anger and anxiety he was dealing with as a result of his time serving overseas. We go deep on Nathan's experience in Iraq, how that affected his political outlook, how the Appalachian Trail helped him heal after his tour, and learn more about the process of his writing, "Waking Up On the Appalachian Trail: A Story of War, Brotherhood, and the Pursuit of Truth", a memoir about his hike. We have a triple crown of tips to lighten your pack, a one minute gear review (including some gear for the pups), and tackle some hard hitting listener questions. [divider] Listen Download this episode. [divider] Backcountry discount code: Use code: Backpacker15 for 15% off your first purchase at backcountry.com/backpackerradio. Minus33 discount code (listen to episode to get the code): 15% off your first purchase at minus33.com. True Thru-Hiker Shirt & Mug [divider] Interview with Nathan Hankes Get a signed copy of Nathan book: Waking Up on the Appalachian Trail: A Story of War, Brotherhood and the Pursuit of Truth on his website. Use code: BPR for free shipping (so he can compete with Jeff Bezos). Half of the proceeds from the book go to helping four combat veterans write a book. Find him on social media @nbhankes 00:04:30 - QOTD: How has the trail healed you? 00:08:00 - Trail Correspondents will happen again next year! 00:08:40 - Intro to Nathan Hankes 00:08:56 - Can you give us a quick bio of yourself? 00:09:55 - Where in the midwest are you from? 00:10:32 - What was your interest in the military? 00:11:44 - What do you attribute the naivety you had (re: joining the military) to? 00:12:39 - How old were you when you joined the military? 00:13:47 - What is the ASVAB? 00:14:49 - How big are military drones? 00:15:47 - Which branch of the military did you serve in? 00:15:59 - What were you expecting when you were deployed and what was the reality of the situation? 00:18:12 - What happens if you change your mind while you are in the army? 00:19:53 - Was the sense of dissent among your peers the overarching feeling or was it just a few people? And was that natural skepticism or reality? 00:21:50 - Did any of it feel like the movie Jarhead? 00:23:50 - Did you ever think about leaving? 00:24:37 - Did you think you would thru-hike before you were in Iraq? 00:26:04 - Did you have any near-death experiences? 00:27:56 - How are you supposed to respond when you hear a mortar attack? 00:28:49 - Did that experience alter how you felt the rest of the time you were in Iraq? 00:30:19 - What are the mortars hitting? 00:32:11 - Knowing that you were defending Iraqi civilians you still felt the U.S. presence was wrong? 00:32:55 - Can you ask about the real reason you are there or do you have to keep it to yourself? 00:34:10 - How do you feel about the military now? 00:35:20 - Has your service altered your politics? 00:36:17 - What did the person you hiked with bring up (as far as politics)? 00:37:17 - Which book on the top 100 adventure stories did you like the most? 00:41:41 - What kind of things did you have to get permission from the pentagon for? 00:44:03 - Did you self-publish? 00:44:15 - How did you get endorsements (from people like Christopher Ryan)? 00:45:37 - Would you describe what you experienced as PTSD? 00:46:50 - Were you having trouble sleeping? 00:47:22 - Were there any downsides to going from the military to the trail? Was it weird going from one extreme to the other? 00:49:53 - What is the specific healing you were looking for in your AT experience? 00:52:35 - Did your anger ever manifest in unhealthy ways? 00:53:34 - Did the fear you came back with filter over to the trail at all? 00:55:09 - Did you keep in close contact with your platoon mates? Do you still? 00:57:09 - Were you hoping to maintain that sense of community on trail? 00:58:51 - When you are deployed are people around your same age? Or is it people in all different age groups like the trail? 01:00:16 - Can you compare your platoon mates and your tramily? 01:02:35 - Can you talk about why you liked hiking with Dylan? 01:04:14 - Are you playing with fire if you ask about the merits of war with someone who has served? 01:06:07 - How did your brother interact with Dylan (knowing you came from a conservative family)? 01:07:29 - What do you think helped your enlightenment on your AT journey? 01:09:50 - Can you talk more about your spiritual awakening? 01:13:40 - Is thru-hiking a good tool for veterans? Do you have any general advice for veterans listening? 01:16:27 - How would someone describe the differences in your personality post-Iraq vs. post-trail? 01:20:29 - Can you tell us about the dog sled training in Alaska? 01:23:00 - Do you stand on the back of a sled? 01:23:37 - How fast do you go? Does it feel like skiing? 01:25:28 - Did you ever see a grizzly? 01:27:47 - Where do we get the book? Nathan website. SEGMENTS The Thru-Hiker’s Guide to Tyvek by Jesse Metzger A Thru-Hiker’s Guide to the AMC Hut System by Jesse Metzger Triple Crown of Tips To Lighten Your Pack Ask Reddit: What’s something small that happens and ignites an uncontrollable rage in you? Email your pet peeves to email@example.com 1-Minute Gear Review Patent Pending: Zoom Contacts Pupdate (Stoned Harper Pics) Mini-Mail Bag / Insta Q’s 5-Star Reviews Comment _____ to win a sticker! [divider] Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. 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136 minutes | 25 days ago
#85 | Neville Harris of Woods Hole Hostel
In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by Backcountry.com, we are joined by Neville Harris. Neville is the owner and head honcho at Woods Hole Hostel, regarded as one of the top hostels (if not the top hostel) along the entire Appalachian Trail. Neville shares a bit about her meditation practice and the impact it's had on her life, she walks us through a typical day at Woods Hole Hostel, how COVID has impacted her business, how running the hostel played a role in her recent divorce, and much more. Whether you've stayed at Woods Hole or not, we think you're really going to enjoy this chat. We also debate where to teleport 10 tons of jello to maximize destruction, do a triple crown of appetizers, and have a one minute gear review. Backcountry discount code: Use code: Backpacker15 for 15% off your first purchase at backcountry.com/backpackerradio. Minus33 discount code (listen to episode to get the code): 15% off your first purchase at minus33.com. True Thru-Hiker Shirt & Mug [divider] Interview with Neville Harris of Woods Hole Hostel on the Appalachian Trail. Website Instagram 00:06:18: QOTD: if you could pick a day to be your birthday besides your actual birthday, what day would you pick? 00:10:12 - What is Woods Hole Hostel? How did you get into the hiking culture? 00:11:40 - Where is Woods Hole Hostel? 00:11:54 - Where is the closest town? 00:12:59 - Tell us about the intricacies of Woods Hole Hostel? 00:17:30 - Are you religious? 00:18:20 - How long are you meditating? 00:18:38 - Do you have a particular practice you follow? 00:19:45 - Can you give us an overview of your meditation approach? 00:21:20 - What are the benefits you see from meditation? 00:23:39 - Are you in communication with other trail angels in the area? 00:24:50 - Is meditation offered through Woods Hole? 00:25:30 - Do you lead a yoga class? 00:26:30 - Will you walk us through a day at Woods Hole Hostel? 00:28:11 - What’s on the Woods Hole menu usually? 00:33:00 - How do you can food? 00:34:47 - How did you feel taking in hikers during coronavirus? 00:41:53- How many people stay with you in a year? 00:44:40 - Can you talk about the animals at Woods Hole Hostel? 00:49:33 - How do you balance helping hikers and running a business? 00:51:43 - How was running the hostel with a partner vs. alone? 00:52:44 - What led you to choose between the hiking community and your husband? 00:55:16 - Can you talk about hikers leaving critiques about your husband? 00:57:09 - What about the hiker community do you love so much? 01:00:56 - How do you prevent burnout? 01:02:58 - How have you seen the hiking community change over the years? 01:05:16 - Do you think technology has had any effect? 01:07:17 - Do you take outside donations? Woods Hole Website — Donation SEGMENTSTrek Propaganda The Beer Drinker’s Guide: Best Breweries on the Colorado Trail by Kelly Floro A Mountain Lion Follows Utah Trail Runner for Six Terrifying Minutes by Kelly Floro Triple Crown of Appetizers Is buffalo chicken a common meat topping for nachos? Discuss. Point / Counterpoint: Stovetop vs. Oven Dad Wisdom from Zach: Cleaning a Cast Iron Skillet Reddit Brain Buster One-Minute Gear Review Chaunce: Weighted Vest Zach: Solar Charged Lantern/Charger Mail Bag (Brought to you by Backcountry.com) 5-Star Review Pupdate! Comment _____ for a free sticker! [divider] Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Jason Lawrence, Austen McDaniel, Thomas Fullner, Christopher Marshburn, S11N, Sawyer Products A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Brandon Spilker, Emily Brown, Jeffrey Miller, Mitchell, Zoe Jenkins, DcNerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube.
128 minutes | a month ago
#84 | India Wood on Her Colorado Transect Hike
In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by India Wood. India, despite having no backpacking experience, decided to hike diagonally across the state of Colorado, from the southeast to the northwest corner of the state. Along the way she had an encounter with a bear, had soft threats of being shot by rangers, and learned the importance of digging a cat hole the night before. We learn how India went about planning her route, the challenges associated with doing such a hike during COVID, and what advice she has for others who want to create their own unique hiking routes. We have a triple crown of halloween candy, dive into our favorite youtube videos, get into an impromptu debate about wearing leggings in ranch country, and get a horse fact about moose. [divider] Backcountry discount code: Use code: Backpacker15 for 15% off your first purchase at backcountry.com/backpackerradio. Gossamer Gear discount code: Use code: PoopStory for 15% off your entire cart at gossamergear.com (does not apply to sale items). Zpacks discount code: Use code: BPRPLEX for $25 off any plex tent at zpacks.com. True Thru-Hiker Shirt & Mug [divider] 00:06:17 - Why did you decide to hike across Colorado? 00:07:27 - Can you talk about drawing up your route? 00:08:11 - Take us deep into the specifics of the route? 00:11:09 - When you were talking to the person that helped you with maps, did he think you were crazy? Did he pry about your hiking experience? 00:16:05 - How many road crossings did you cache water at? Did you have it buried? Tell us about water logistics! 00:20:04 - Are you staging your car and then doing an out and back? 00:20:58 - What was it like getting hitches? Did you get hitches? 00:22:54 - Tell us about your time in the prairie section of Colorado? 00:25:20 - Did you know all the types of grasses in the prairie? 00:26:23 - What’s the most interesting turd you saw? 00:27:27 - Do you have any grass or prairie facts? 00:28:27 - Can you talk about your family? 00:29:44 - What’s the name of your daughter’s documentary? 00:30:24 - What did your family think of you taking on the hike? 00:33:09 - What happened with your bear encounter? 00:43:30 - Can you talk about the transition of hiking through the prairie and then through the mountains? 00:45:00 - Was Bear Peak in your training regimen? 00:46:44 - Where did you go from Minturn? 00:48:04 - What went wrong with your maps? 00:52:47 - Were you ever tempted to turn down a private road? 00:54:59 - Where did you run into the man who was wanted? 00:56:14 - Do you have a detailed outline of your route anywhere? 00:57:47 - Why did you choose southeast to northwest? 00:58:36 - What kind of dinosaur did you find? 00:59:25 - Do you think the southeast corner is more beautiful than where you come into CO on 70? 01:01:17 - What’s a good town to go to in the southeast corner? 01:05:02 - Did this hike give you the adventure itch? 01:06:05 - Would you stay in a hotel if you did a transect of metro Denver? 01:06:28 - Did you carry anything to protect yourself on your hike? Was your safety something you were highly concerned about? 01:08:23 - Were there ever political debates that ensued when you said you were from Boulder? 01:10:09 - What do you think would happen to Chaunce if she was hiking through ranch country in leggings? 01:11:40 - Is the area you primarily saw other people through the Breckenridge area? 01:11:56 - Do you have any general pieces of advice for people wanting to develop their own hike? 01:12:55 - Will India’s talk be on Youtube? Yes, the link is here. 01:13:00 - Any last pieces of advice? 01:14:10 - Where should people go to learn more about you and your hike? Your books? Facebook Website Segments Debate: Is it safe for women to wear leggings in ranch country? Triple Crown of the Best Halloween Candy Triple Crown of the Worst Halloween Candy Ask ??? > Send us your favorite videos! Zach: Bloopers from Anchor Man Chaunce: Shia Labeouf Live - Rob Cantor 1 Minute Gear Reviews Zach: Native Sunglasses Chaunce: Lulu Lemon Leggings Mail Bag 5 Star Reviews Comment _____ to win a sticker! Message Backcountry, send us screenshots! Hiking from Home by Chaunce and How to Afford a Thru-Hike by Kelly Floro [divider] Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Jason Lawrence, Austen McDaniel, Thomas Fullner, Christopher Marshburn, S11N, Sawyer Products A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Brandon Spilker, Emily Brown, Jeffrey Miller, Mitchell, Zoe Jenkins, DcNerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube.
118 minutes | a month ago
#83 | The John Muir Trail (With Chaunce & Fireball)
In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Chaunce and Fireball (who you likely remember for the Girls Stuff episode), to walk us through their hike of the John Muir Trail. In addition to learning about all of the particulars of the trail, Chaunce and Fireball regale us with tales from their trek that include nude modeling for tourists, their favorite swimming holes, and the time Chaunce pooped alongside a stranger. We have a one minute gear review, bring back patent pending, get a pupdate, and discuss why crossfit is great training for backcountry dumps. [divider] Backcountry discount code: Use code: Backpacker15 for 15% off your first purchase at backcountry.com. Gossamer Gear discount code: Use code: PoopStory for 15% off your entire cart at gossamergear.com (does not apply to sale items). Zpacks discount code: Use code: BPRPLEX for $25 off any plex tent at zpacks.com. Ture Thru-Hiker Shirt & Mug [divider] 00:04:20 - QOTD: What is the dumbest thing you’ve done this month? 00:12:45 - Trek Ambassador Program 00:14:27 - What are the standard JMT facts? 00:15:13 - Why did you do the extra miles? 00:15:36 - How did you get from where you left your car to the trailhead? 00:16:33 - Did this fill in your PCT gaps? 00:17:29 - Anything else you want to add from a basic JMT standpoint? 00:18:27 - Fireball, have you done any hiking in the Sierra before? 00:19:10 - What were the days you did the JMT? 00:19:24 - Pros and cons of hiking the Sierra in mid-August? 00:20:03 - Would you go at the same time again? 00:20:55 - How were the crowds? 00:22:00 - Did you meet PCT hikers? 00:22:41 - Did anyone reference mile, mile and a half? 00:23:41 - So Fireball wakes up earlier than Chaunce? 00:25:18 - Why did you choose southbound? 00:28:00 - How did you train for the PCT? 00:34:18 - Did Chaunce get heat exhaustion? 00:39:19 - Favorite parts of the trail? Aesthetic highlights? 00:42:00 - Chaunce and Fireball got caught skinny dipping? 00:45:20 - Were you prepared for how cold the lakes were? 00:46:39 - Do you remember Garnett Lake? 00:47:47 - Chaunce ran into a previous guest? Crazy Jack Northam 00:50:20 - Did Chaunce and Fireball hike together at all? 00:56:49 - Any other highlights? 00:59:59 - Did you miss Harper? Follower Questions: 01:01:09 - How gorgeous was it in real life? 01:04:31 - You guys only resupplied once on the entire hike? 01:08:01 - What are the details on VVR? We don’t know, reach out to Weezer! 01:08:28 - Still no chafe Chaunce? 01:10:08 - Is the JMT a good starter for those looking to get into thru-hiking? 01:13:11 - What do you think the JMT numbers are like this year? 01:14:22 - What is Fireball’s instagram handle? @Mimmmsy 01:15:37 - Chaunce will you tell us your poop story? 01:25:49 - A man asked, what is one thing you think I should know? SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Sign up for the Newsletter Patent Pending: Cat Claws / Balloon Floaties 1 Minute Gear Review Gossamer Gear Mariposa / Athleta Shirt Pupdates Baby Updates Mail Bag 5 Star Reviews Become a Patron for Bonus Episodes (specifically, The Dumpster Fire episode). [divider] Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Jason Lawrence, Austen McDaniel, Thomas Fullner, Christopher Marshburn, S11N, Sawyer Products A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Brandon Spiker, Emily Brown, Jeffrey Miller, Mitchell, Zoe Jenkins, DcNerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube.
142 minutes | 2 months ago
#82 | Dan Durston on Designing Gear and Hiking the Great Divide Trail
In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Dan Durston. Dan is the gear nerd's gear nerd. In addition to hiking the PCT and being one of only two people to yo-yo the Great Divide Trail (the other being his wife as they did it together), Dan is visionary behind the new gear company, Durston Gear. We go way deep down the rabbit hole on why polyester tents are making a comeback and are possibly the ultimate fabric for shelters, how he's able to execute on his philosophy of creating lightweight gear that's super easy to setup, how his being a loudmouth on the Backpackinglight forums made his gear company possible, and much more. If you're into gear technology, even if you're not, we bet you're really going to enjoy this conversation. Also, our buddy Legend breaks another FKT, we have another Reddit Brain Buster, and we have a point counter point on the virtues of summer vs. fall backpacking. Gossamer Gear discount code: Use code: PoopStory for 15% off your entire cart at gossamergear.com. "How to Afford a Thru-Hike" discount code: "ipooped" [divider] Interview with Dan Durston: Durstongear.com @Durstongear on Instagram Dan Durston Youtube Motorscooterguide.net 00:03:16 - QOTD: What’s an “oh shit” moment where you’ve realized you’ve been doing something the wrong way for years? 00:07:18 - Intro to Dan Durston 00:07:26 - What is your backpacking resume? 00:09:54 - Do you have to push gear by setting FKTs? 00:10:32 - Do you own the gear company? Are you not the sole proprietor of Dan Durston Gear? 00:12:09 - Do you get a royalty of every product sold? 00:12:59 - Did you also hike the PCT with your wife? 00:13:24 - How did you get into backpacking? 00:14:40 - You were determined to get your pack weight down before your first trip? 00:14:56 - How light was your pack when you first started? 00:16:38 - Did seeing someone do a whole 50-mile trail in a day create the origin for you going ultralight? 00:17:47 - When did the shift to ultralight happen? Was Backpacking Light involved in that? 00:18:40 - What were your big 3 when you were at 5 pounds? 00:20:00 - Were you giving gear companies feedback when you were testing products? 00:21:25 - To become a gear tester do you just go on backpacking forums and be loud? 00:21:44 - What did you bring on the PCT? 00:22:24 - Had you started making your own gear already on the PCT? 00:23:33 - How did you get into making your own gear? 00:24:23 - What is the hardest thing to make yourself? Packs? 00:26:26 - Advice to someone who wants to get a cottage industry pack but is worried about fit? 00:27:42 - Is there any benefit to going to REI and measuring packs there? 00:28:22 - What is the process with your designs going to manufacturing? 00:30:40 - Are you the only one doing product testing on Dan Durston Gear? 00:32:15 - Who is Dan Durston Gear for? Who is the target market? 00:36:49 - What makes setting up your tents so simple? 00:37:39 - Do you have any photos of your disaster feet? 00:39:01 - How tall are you? 00:49:36 - How did drop.com find you? 00:50:29 - What do you mean by ‘being a loudmouth on backpacking light’? 00:51:24 - Have you solved the condensation issue that most ultralight tents have? 00:52:43 - So should you not ventilate your tent when sleeping in humid areas? 00:55:14 - What are your recommendations for campsite selection to avoid condensation? 00:57:03 - Talk about polyester tents! 00:58:00 - What’s the weight difference between polyester and nylon? 00:59:48 - So what is the strongest fabric? 01:02:30 - Does the fabric make the tent more prone to smell or mildew? 01:03:35 - How long should you leave your tent out to dry? 01:04:31 - Is there a proper way to clean and store a tent? 01:05:30 - How often should you replace tents? 01:07:00 - How do you store your tent? Stuff or fold and roll? 01:10:51 - Who is the X-mid made for? 01:13:18 - If Dan Duston Gear didn’t exist and you had one tent you had to use for all purposes, what would you pick? 01:14:13 - Will there ever be a DCF X-Mid? 01:16:58 - Would you consider Dan Durston Gear to be ultralight? 01:17:27 - Do you think there is a lot of room for improvement in the cottage industry UL gear space? 01:19:15 - If you could name the Dan Durston backpack what would you name it? 01:19:43 - Will you talk us through the pack? 01:21:43 - Can you get a 40 oz beer in the pocket? 01:22:28 - What is the mesh material on the shoulder strap? 01:24:19 - What is the advantage of X-Pac? 01:29:09 - What are some other pack companies that use X-Pac? 01:31:25 - What is the weight on the Dan Durston pack and what does it go for? 01:33:31 - What was it that took your company to the next level? 01:35:30 - What would Dan Durston’s gear slogan be? 01:36:44 - Can you talk about the Great Divide Trail? 01:39:33 - Where does the GDT start and end and where does it go through? 01:42:06 - What is the seasonality for the GDT? 01:42:51 - What kind of miles can you do on snowshoes? 01:43:28 - Can you tell us about the mosquitoes? 01:42:59 - What would you say is the “Sierra” of the GDT? Or “the desert”? 01:45:04 - What is the non-profit that oversees the GDT? 01:46:28 - Can you run into grizzlies the entire way? 01:46:45 - Do you have any scary grizzly stories? 01:48:24 - Has anyone died on the GDT from a grizzly encounter? 01:49:41 - What is the resupply like? 01:50:38 - Do you have to mail resupply boxes? 01:51:28 - Are you able to get 10 days of food in your pack? 01:52:00 - What inspired the yo-yo of the GDT? 01:52:29 - Were you able to enjoy the southbound hike as much as the northbound hike? 01:53:53 - What are some good Canadian snacks? 01:55:09 - In Canada do you have to order Canadian bacon to get Canadian bacon? 01:55:36 - Where should people go for your stuff? Durstongear.com @Durstongear on Instagram Dan Durston Youtube Motorscooterguide.net 01:56:04 - Is there anything else you are as obsessed with planning as your gear? SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda - Legend Broke the Colorado Trail Unsupported FKT Sign up for The Trek newsletter! 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#81 | Tommy Corey aka "Twerk" of Hiker Trash Vogue
In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Tommy Corey, aka Twerk, sometimes known as Twerkinthedirt, sometimes known as the guy behind Hiker Trash Vogue. Twerk gives us a runthrough on his experiences backpacking the PCT, how the Hiker Trash Vogue project came to be, what doors this wildly popular photo project has opened for him. We also talk about his experiences of what it's like to be a gay man in the thru-hiking community. We close out the show with a Triple Crown of Autumn Ahhhhs, talk about how much it costs to pee on Chaunce's face every morning for the rest of her life, a one minute gear review, and we try to determine how much money Chaunce can make by selling foot photos. [divider] Listen Download this episode. [divider] Gossamer Gear discount code: Use code: PoopStory for 15% off your entire cart at gossamergear.com. Backcountry discount code: Use code: Backpacker15 for 15% off your first purchase at backcountry.com/backpackerradio. 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[divider] 00:04:43 - Chaunce is back! 00:06:19 - QOTD: Non-traditional ways to track your mileage? 00:10:49 - Intro to Twerk! 00:11:01 - How did you get the trail name Twerk? 00:12:32 - How did you first get into backpacking? 00:14:19 - Did Chaunce and Twerk cross paths? 00:15:30 - Twerk’s first backpacking trip through the Three Sisters Loop 00:16:05 - Did that trip build excitement or anxiety for your attempted thru? 00:17:39 - Do you think the fact that being close to where you grew up made it easier to get off trail the first time? 00:20:10 - Did you want to rejoin your friends on trail? 00:21:04 - Did you experience the same level of hardship in 2018 as 2017? 00:26:10 - Would you do the PCT again? 00:30:00 - Zach shares a poop story! 00:31:34 - Twerk’s poop story! 00:34:30 - Can you tell us about your photography background? 00:36:24 - How did photography play into your 2017 hike? 00:37:28 - Do you think learning how to long-distance hike in 2017 helped you be able to work on Hiker Trash Vogue in 2018? 00:40:30 - How did you edit your photos on trail? 00:41:03 - What is Hiker Trash Vogue? 00:41:50 - Will you walk us through some of your favorite photos? 00:43:06 - Can you tell us some stories behind your photos? 00:45:47 - Do you have experience shooting high fashion/editorial photography? 00:47:01 - Was it difficult to get people to model? 00:49:04 - What is your pitch to get people to pose for Hiker Trash Vogue? 00:52”02 - Did you do any landscape photography along the way? 00:54:20 - How did you decide to evolve Hiker Trash Vogue? Can you talk about the books? 00:56:18 - Did you make your layouts in InDesign? 00:57:22 - How much does it cost to make a Hiker Trash Vogue book? 00:59:23 - Did the quality of the second book suffer because it was less of a passion project? 01:01:14 - Do you have limited runs of your books? 01:01:39 - Would you ever put your book on Amazon? 01:02:47 - What is your day-to-day like now? 01:03:45 - Have you gotten freelance work from your Hiker Trash Vogue series? 01:04:42 - Do people hit you up to do weddings? 01:05:39 - Is being a wedding photographer a coveted job or highly stressful? 01:07:17 - Where should people go if they want Twerk to shoot their wedding? 01:08:34 - Can you speak to what it’s like being a gay hiker? 01:10:23 - Was there anything in the Gummy Bear episode that you could elaborate on? Or things you want to expand on? 01:11:37 - Were you at all concerned about it leading up to your hike? 01:12:51 - What were relationships like on trail? 01:15:42 - Did you see many other LGBTQ hikers? 01:18:10 - Why Representation Matters 01:19:03 - Were there resources you used as a gay man before hiking that you think would help others? 01:26:12 - Any recommendations for diversifying your feed? @switchbackshawty @lassosafroworld @rongriswell 01:27:44 - What is your Instagram? @twerkinthedirt 01:27:56 - What’s coming up? What are you looking forward to? 01:31:16 - Anything you wanna plug? Tommycorey.com @twerkinthedirt How To Afford A Thru-Hike by Kelly Floro (use code "ipooped" to save $2!) The Triple Crown of Autumn Ahhhs Zach is having a baby (and rapid-fire questions from Chaunce)! Reddit Brain Busters 1 minute gear review: Chaunce: $5 Walmart Floaty Zach: Yeti Tundra Haul Mail Bag Five-Star Reviews Comment ______ to win a Backpacker Radio sticker! [divider] Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Paul Packman Sealy, Jason Lawrence, Janelle L., Austen McDaniel, Andrew, Thomas Fullner, Christopher Marshburn, S11N, and Sawyer Products A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Emily Brown, Jeffrey Miller, Mitchell, Zoe Jenkins, dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Mark Snook, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. MEDIOCRE TRANSCRIPT In today's episode of backpacker radio presented by the Trek. We are joined by Tommy Corey, AKA twerk, sometimes known as Twerk in the dirt, sometimes known as the guy behind hiker trash Vogue to work. It gives us a run through on his experiences, backpacking the PCT, how hiker trash Vogue became a project. What doors this wildly popular photo series has opened for him and much more. We also talk about his experiences of what it's like to be a gay man in the thriving community. We close out the show with a triple crown of autumn ahhs. Talk about how much it costs to pee on Chauncey's face every morning for the rest of her life, a one minute gear review, and we try to determine how much money Charles can make by selling foot photos. Lastly quick aside in the Trek propaganda section of today's show, we introduce how to afford it through here. A new ebook from the Trek written by Kelly fluoro use coupon code. I pooped all lower case. One word to score eight, $2 discount on this book. Okay. Here are some ads. 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I am your cohost, Zach Badger Davis, and sitting to my two o'clock is hi, I'm Juliana Jonsi AKA Chauncey. Hey, welcome back to the show. Thanks. I forgot I was gone. Yeah. Oh, it was nice. Do you want to do a run through on I wasn't planning on putting you on blast that just kind of happened. Um, I went to hike the JMT John Muir trail and the Sierra. We are going to cover it on a future episode where we catch up with me and Zach and Elise and the hikes that we've done. Um, and it was amazing. I started 50 miles further North on the PCT. So I started at Sonora pass, um, and hike South to Whitney and exited via the Whitney portal. Um, and I went with fireball from the girl stuff episode. Um, we did it in 15 days, I think. Or 16 days. What'd you call it? Her, her, Oh, it's Jaden name for it. Yeah, that was the one. Yeah. Um, yeah, so I went with fireball on her who ha and, um, I was so nice. I that's. I just, it was so nice. Yeah. Uh, the part that you weren't at the show was our wires got crossed on, in terms of timing, you were planning on pulling a 12 hour drive to get back for our six o'clock recording. And our recording was at 2:00 PM. So I looked into that. I was going to let this slide, I was gonna let you off the hook. Um, you changed the calendar notification while I was on my 10 day stretch without cool. You get to edit this out publicly. I, you and I had a conversation about it before you left. Did we really? Yeah. A hundred percent. Oh, Well, I'm done for next time. Today's question of the day. Is, does China need Gingko? Biloba? No. Uh, none. So non traditional ways to track your mileage. This was your one. So I'm gonna let you kick it off. Okay. So on the PCT, I used to track my mileage, like obviously by checking gut hooks, but then you want to stop yourself from looking at the map so that you don't constantly check your map. Um, so just. By nature of. Just noticing a pattern. I noticed that every five songs was roughly a mile when I was listening to music. Um, so I started tracking songs or tracking miles in songs. And so I had just like completely stopped listening to music just because I wasn't actually listening and it wouldn't skip a song if it was halfway through. And I didn't want to hear it. Cause I was like, what the hell? It'll mess up my account. Oh, their races. My mileage. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But on the JMT just now recently, um, I had a lot of jolly ranchers on me and I tried, what have I forgot what I was going down a Hill. And it was like a long downhill. It was like six miles. And I had nothing else to think about. And I was like, I wonder how long it takes to eat a jolly rancher, if you don't chew it. And it was like 30 to 35 minutes. So I started figuring out that a jolly rancher would roughly get me a mile. Um, cause I wasn't going particularly fast, but yeah. So if I ate four jolly ranchers, I was like, okay, I've gone about four miles now. Like that's four jolly ranchers. Does that incentivize you to eat more candy? Because the more candy you eat, the further you get by that metric. Uh, yeah, I definitely ate all of the jolly ranchers that I had. Um, I was rationing them towards the end though, because I ate them on the uphills. They helped for me to not like keep stopping, cause my mouth was dry. So I kept eating them on uphills. And then I was running low on the second stretch. Um, so I had to ration myself to three jolly ranchers a day, but I just saved them for them. Mmm. So two answers to this one. Mine is the first one's pretty basic time. And I feel like I'm getting pretty good at estimating. Like I know assuming the train's not either very easy or very difficult going to be able to pull a mile and about 20 minutes, three miles per hour, that's pretty much my standard pace. Um, and even if the train is in one of those two directions, I can usually mentally adjust for it. Like I know if it's been 22 minutes and I'm on a steep uphill. Probably about 0.8, 2.9 miles a point, I guess the other one, and this one is way more neurotic. This is from having a pedometer on my watch for the last six years or so is I know precisely how many steps it takes for me to do any amount of distance. So I know 500 steps as a quarter mile, 2000 steps as a mile. So you're counting to 2000 while you're walking. There are times where I will count. Like if, if I'm too in my head and I feel like the time's going slowly, it, it actually acts as a meditation for me. Not necessarily, it's, it's less so to actually measure my distance and more so to just distract me from my boredom of hiking. Is that not like watching, like the kettle boil, like you're literally counting to 2000 and then starting over. And then starting over and it's like, cool, I've done three miles. And it feels like 17 years. Yeah. It, it, it literally, I use it purely as like a meditative practice. So instead of like focusing on my breathing, I'll just focusing on, I'll just focus on counting. Wow. I did read the first page of one of your books and you did put like, You know, it was like 5 million steps. Then you put that, like, it was like 5 million steps to complete the trail or something like that. The first page. Yeah. And that that's not come from the pedometer math. I think that's an old AT idiom. You can also, you know, I think it's generally understood that. 2000 steps is about a mile for most people. You're in Julia and you're like, shit lost count drive back to Mexico or to Canada. I keep a running, uh, one of those little step counters. What's the, there's a clicky thing. They have them at Walmart's. Now I need to count how many people come in and out. Patent pending. Alright. Uh, skip the shirt reminder. Should we've mentioned it. I feel like we don't have any new merge, so it's not worth mentioning. I mean, you just mentioned that. Okay. Yeah, we have, we have merged. Cool. Okay. Let's get to today's main events. Gentlemen. We've been covering the, have on the show for a long time back in the day when we would, uh, Hold out for getting guests in person. I think I've been reaching out to twerk for the last year and a half about coming on the show and we just haven't been able to make it work. Um, but very excited to officially give him the warm backpacker radio. Welcome it. Is torque. Do you prefer your trail name or do you want to go by Tommy? What do you want to do here? I mean, first fine. Yeah. I like, yeah, let's jump right into the trail name because I think I can take a good guess at it, but I'm curious to get the full story. How did you get the trail name to work? I mean, it's a name you earn. Yeah. Uh, yeah. Think it was my first hike in 17 when I did, I dunno, like 900 miles and then quit. Um, I carried a little Bluetooth speaker with me on trail and at the end of the night, I would, uh, I would get all the hikers in a circle and we listened to music and I had everyone like go around and like do their own stretch. And one night we were doing it and I was up against the tree. So I said, Hey, everyone has to come to the tree and like go upside down and twerk. Um, and there also had been a rip the liner of my shorts and I wear very short shorts. So. I think one of the first names was bought back and I was like, I'm not writing home about that. So someone suggested work and I was like, Oh, that fits me a lot better. So yeah. Toric or boss act or indecent exposure. Yeah, exactly. I knew I just, I had a feeling I was going to get something stupid. So I was like, well, I'll just take it now. Yeah. Um, and I don't want to bury the lead here. Anyone who is familiar with the hiking community, Instagram has seen twerks Instagram posts. I feel like if you've been on Instagram in the last three years, I don't care who you are. You've seen hiker trash Vogue. So. We're going to get to that. Let's just, let's just put that as a hanging thought. Let's get to the background of how did you first get into backpacking? Mmm. I, so when I lived in Portland, my roommate, who was actually one of my good friends, they all, but he was just a, you know, I, my roommate slept and I needed a roommate. So I found a roommate on this. And as a kid, Andrew, who happened to hike the 80, a few years prior to moving in with me. And, uh, he was. Planning for a PCT 17 hike and had kept like, mentioning like, Oh, you should like do the PCT. And I was like, nah, I was like, I'm never going to fucking do the PCT. Like I'm not, you know, like, it just doesn't sound fun. Also quick background. My oldest brother, Joe, he ha he threw hike in 2011. So I already knew what the PCT was. I like kind of knew what it entailed. My brother did it on a high snow year, so I heard a lot of horror stories. Uh, And, um, so I was just like, Oh, that's like, when my brother did it, like, my family was like, he's fucking crazy, like theirs. So I was just like, there was no way in hell I'd ever do that, but he's, I dunno, my anyway, Andrew just kept like asking me and asking me. And one night we, he had, uh, the night he broke up with his girlfriend. Um, I brought over a bunch of wine and we just like sat on the floor and I just, I jumped in late, decided I was like, fine, I'll fucking do it. I'll go with like, I'll go with you. Um, and I'm, and I'm like very big on like, not backing down from things. Like, if I say I'm going to do something, I'm usually the kind of person that like shows up. So that's when I decided here you go. Uh, so, so your first PCT hike was 2017. Yeah. So Sean says here, did you guys cross paths at all? No, I don't think so. Where you going North? Yeah. When did you start? April 22nd. Okay. You probably passed me at some point. I started April 4th, but it was like moving at a snail pace. Okay. Oh no, I, I probably definitely did not pass it. I was, I was like 12, 15 milers. Okay. Yeah, maybe not. Then maybe we were just like to move the points. Yeah. Like 1250 miles a day, maybe 18 if I like had a good day and then like lots of zeros. Yeah. That sounds like my desert experience as well. Yeah. Yeah. So give us the full rundown on your 2017 hike. You mentioned that you're someone that doesn't back down from things. Um, this was, is this your first backpacking trip ever? Uh, I only did one, me and Andrew and my buddy did that sister's loop, which was my first backpacking trip ever in 2016. So we did 50 miles around the three sisters here actually right outside of bend. And. It was like super fun, but like I was limping to the car and I remember like, I remember being really pissed off cause my buddy camera and just kept being like, I think it's only a couple more miles and I'm like, I'm literally gonna fucking choke you. If you say that one more time. I just want to get to the car. Uh, so it was like really hard. Like I, and it was a four day trip, you know, like now it's like, you know, like that sounds super easy. We did like. You know, like 13 miles, I think 16 was the biggest day, like nine miles, you know? Um, so it's kind of funny to look back on that and think about how hard it was, but I kinda just like threw myself into it. Uh, so yeah, that was the first backpacking trip. And then I didn't do anything at all. Like anything physical really until I did CC. So did that short, I guess, short as relative, does that trip builds excitement or anxiety for your attempted through. Uh, I think it was a little bit, yeah, both. I was just like, fuck, like, this is really hard, but it's really fun. So like, I wonder how the PCT will be. Um, and then, you know, it's like as soon as you're on the, on the trail, like as soon as you get to the terms, you just start walking. I'm like, okay, well, yeah, this sucks. I have blisters and like things hurt, but they're like already out there. So there's nothing really to like, have anxiety about it. Just more like the daunting, like. Oh, man, I have to get up and do this again tomorrow kind of thing. But yeah, and I had a great year. Like he made a lot of friends in 17, we got the Kennedy Meadows and I was like, Nope, not going to the Sierras. So I skipped up to nor Cal and then like barely saw really anyone I knew and, um, ended up. Quitting like a couple of weeks later, just cause I was just like, Oh, you know what, this isn't for me. Um, and then I went, I went back to Portland like a week later, moved in with my old roommate, went back to my old job. They let me back. And like within a few months I was like, Oh, damn like, especially when all my friends started finishing and posting their photos, I was like, Oh shit. I like really wish I would have like, stayed out there. Um, and so I literally, I immediately just like stopped going out, stopped doing things and just started saving my money and was like, I'm gonna get a permit and I'm going to go again next year. I'm actually going to do it. Did the fact that in nor Cal, you were close to Redding, like where you grew up. Contribute to you wanting to get off the trail. Cause I know on the 80, when I got to New York, it was near home. That was like, eh, I don't have to go back out there. Like I was kind of getting those feelings of I'm comfortable here. Like I don't want to be uncomfortable again. Did that play into it at all? Yeah, honestly, I think that did have like a, I think it had like a pretty big part in it, but you know, a significant part like, Oh, like. I'm just walking around home right now. I mean, I haven't lived there in years. I, you know, been living in Portland up until I started hiking. Um, but yeah, it was kind of that comfortability I'm like, well, it would just be so much easier to go home and like, you know, like have a shower and like a bed. Um, so yeah, and I knew my parents like would like, come get me if I needed to. But I also just, like, at that point, I like really wasn't having that much fun either. Um, I don't know. I think if I would have, like, for me, like, I obviously love the hiking now. Like I know that, but for me, I was like, I wanted to go out there and like take photos, but I just didn't feel really, I didn't feel I was inspired in 2017 as I did going back in 2018. And I'm glad you mentioned, Oh, sorry, go ahead. Oh, I was just going to say, yeah, and I think. I wonder how my height would have been different if I hadn't like done like hiker trash bow. Cause I think that had a big part of me really wanting to hike the entire trail and finish. Yeah. So I want to, I want to pin that point for a second, but I'm, I'm glad that you brought up. Your story in terms of you getting off and experiencing that instant regret, because I've seen that template so many times just through what I do with the Trek. If I had a nickel for every time, I've seen someone get off the trail and then, you know, within a month, the. There's a tidal wave of regret of their decision, and they're already plotting for how they can redo it the following year. Um, I think that's a really inspiring story and it just goes to show that, you know, even when you're not having the best of time on trail, you don't fully appreciate how much you're actually enjoying the experience or appreciating the experience or how much better, even like a not ideal time on trail is relative to. You know, the nine to five type of style life that we live on our day to days. I think it's really interesting that you realize that so quickly. Was there any part of you that wanted to just join back up with your hiking family? Or why did you decide on doing it the following year, as opposed to like, just piecing together what you could with the remaining time in 2017? Um, well, cause like I said, like I got back and I went back to work and I kind of went back to my old life and. Uh, in Portland and it took a couple of months time, like I was starting to like regret it is when people were starting to like, Finish and be almost done. So, I mean like the season was over, you know, unless I, I guess would go back down and go southbound or something, but I just, I dunno, I just, uh, at that point I was like, these like friends are my friends. Um, you know, I'll be friends with them still. So I want to, I want to like get the full experience. That's what I wanted. So that's why I waited until 18 to like start, start over from the beginning. Now let's jump to the 2018 hike. Did you ever experience the same degree of low that you experienced in 2017? Cause you mentioned that having hiker trash Vogue gave you a sense of purpose to actually finish the trail. I'm curious if you went through the same level of hardship during the course of the hike. Um, kind of, so the thing that was. The whole reason I'm here. Yeah. I quit in 17 it's because when I went to rehab, like in 2018 from day one, I was just like, Oh my God, I am so. Happy like I've I had, like, it was just happiness. Like, you guys know this, you guys are hikers. Like it's just happiness. You can never replicate. And I wouldn't, I don't think I would've had that if I hadn't had quit in 17. Cause I just knew so badly that I wanted to just be back there. And in starting at the Terminus again, I was like, okay, just get to camp tonight. It wasn't like, okay, like, let's go to Canada. It was like, Let's get to camp and let's just enjoy every fucking day that you can. And hopefully, you know, by the grace of God, you can make it up there. But I really wasn't. I really never thought about Canada until I like got to bridge of the gods. Like I was just like having so much fun, but sorry to answer your question too much detail. Um, uh, do you. Do you like my really low point within the Sierra? I was, I was alone for a lot of it. It seemed like, um, and it was, it's just a really hard section and I really didn't see like a lot of other hikers in the Sierra. I just saw a lot of like CMT hikers, which, you know, the majority of them are going the opposite way. So you're just like, Hey, what's up? Um, so I was really low in this year, but then like, I think it was maybe two Walla me or somewhere around there. I that's what I like. Met up with all these, like all my friends that have hiking, like maybe 400 miles with not with like, you know, probably my most significant group of people I hiked with. Um, but even in the Sierra, when I was at that really low point and like super lonely, I would still like enjoying it. You know, like, cause I, cause I just kept reminding myself. I'm like, okay, you're having a hard time. Where else do you want to be right now? Do you want to use this money? Like go on vacation. You want to go to Italy? What do you want to do? And the answer was always like, no, I want to be right here where I am right now. So even in the low point I knew I wanted to be there and it just felt, it felt right. Even though like I was having a hard time. Yeah, I think that's like super relatable. Cause I, I felt like those exact feelings when I was on the at T cause I had, I had done the PCT in 2017. I didn't think I wanted to do the 80 at all. Like I remember there was like, you could pull clips from this podcast where I'm like, I have no fucking interest in that trail at all. And like, and then I worked a year and a half at a desk job that I hated. Like I did not enjoy it. I sat through 2018 watched everyone that I was on trail with in 2017, or at least it felt like everyone posting photos with them starting a trail again. And it was like, I could do it. Elliot was starting a ball flap was starting the PC or the 80 that year. And like every day it was like, you put in your two weeks notice. Now it's not too late for you to start. And like, we just kept, like, I kept sitting there and like I was, I think we talked about this, how I would like play on like those lunchtime cries, where I would just like, be sad about my job. But then like in 2019, when I finally took the, you know, I left my job and I went to do the 80, it was like a cold snap below zero degrees at night in Georgia, it was snowing. Like people were quitting cause it was so cold and they were miserable. And I was like, all smiles. I was just like, happy to be there. You know? Cause I knew that I could be at home and I could be like watching other people do it. And you know, a bad day out there is a great day at home. So it's just like, I completely understand. Yeah. Having that year off, like you just make you like having the time off makes you appreciate it so much more. Yeah. I was like worried too though. And I'd get back from the aid too. It'd be the same way this year. And like, Not luckily, but the everything with COVID. I didn't have to get that FOMO again, watching everyone to part on a new trail. Luckily there was a parent. Thank God for that. No, I don't mean it that way, but I like, I didn't get that spring. Like you get like a reoccurrence of the posterial depression. I feel like in spring. Oh, absolutely. Like I like. Last year. I was like dreading through hiker season to start. Cause I'm like, Hey, here we go. This is the first year out. Like having to watch everyone else hike. And it was, it is hard. Like, but then it's cool. Cause it is kind of cool at the Instagram thing. Like watching all these people you're like, you don't know, but like seeing them finish, no, like here's another person you got to like experience something so fucking magical, you know, like if you like can't help it, like feel happy for people. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's definitely something super cool. And it's awesome that you got to be able to get up there and do it again. Yeah, I know. I want to go again, but I mean, we'll see, I'm not gonna make any plans the same trail. If you say T again. Uh, I kind of want to southbound it before I think about other trails. Everyone's like, why don't you just do a different trail? I'm like, I fucking love the PCT. So let me South on it. And then I'll think about other things I haven't, I have not hiked the PCT northbound obviously, but I would venture to guess that doing it's outbound is basically doing a different trail because everyone I've talked to that. That's gone northbound and hiked through Washington, like without fail, they've had terrible weather throughout Washington. And I think we had maybe six hours of rain throughout the entire time, going through Washington southbound doing and the weather in the Sierra was perfect. We had no mosquitoes in Oregon. Um, I think the trade off in the area where people generally love the trail where, uh, I didn't particularly love this stretch nor did my hiking partner was the desert. You know, at that point for us, we were. We had just come out of this year, the most beautiful stretch of the trail, kind of getting to that point where we're ready to be done. Java had already done the desert, I think two or three times prior. So we were both kind of, you know, we didn't hate it, but it's certainly, if I had to rank the sections of the trail, it was my last, my least favorite. Um, so yeah, I think outbounding is a totally different experience. And I think just getting that. Good weather version of Washington is worth the price of admission. If nothing else, just Washington southbound and just do the state southbound in the state of, or in the month of July, we have to be had great weather finishing, and I was a late finisher. I finished October 5th. Oh, yeah. All my friends were like finishing like September 7th, December 10th or 15th. And they're like, dude, , you're not going to finish. It's going to get cold. But we had like two weeks of straight on through Washington, like going around, go rock around right here. And then it started to get cold in the North cascades, obviously. But like, we didn't have a shit ton of rain. There was just one night where we were in a blizzard and it was like below 15 degrees and. I was laying in my tent being like you fucking idiot. You took 39, zero days. You could have been done with it. You wouldn't be here right now. I just like kicking myself. And then at one point I was like, damn, I hope I just die tonight. So I don't have to hike tomorrow on the snow. The part of you that was like looming dread for the winter coming in Washington after seeing like the heavy snow year in 2017 and flipping around the Sierra. Cause I feel like part of me is always like. I like a little apprehensive whenever there's snow, because of that. Yeah. I, you know, I wasn't, Washington was really hard for me cause like, I, this is how I explained this. It's like, you know, when you, you know, when you have to take a shit really bad and you're like on your way home and like the closer you get to home to like more, you have to go yes. Coming down, Whitney. Okay, good. I was like, maybe that's so. Uh, I kind of related to that where like you get to Washington, you, you know, you're almost done. My body was just like breaking down. Like I felt like my legs were just gonna fucking snap in half, any day. So I was like, not really worried about whether I'm just worried that if my body was going to hold up for me to make it to the end. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. By the way, I felt like every day, like it was great and I was having a great time, but like the days are shorter. I'm not a super fast hiker. It's also a hard section. So it was like getting the camp past dark some of the time, which I really hate doing, but yeah, I'm glad you bring up that analogy, which I love by the way. This hits so close to home. It's happened to me maybe a month ago. Oh, that gets the Sarah Shera poop story. Here's my proof. He is smiling ear to ear as he is. It's so exciting because I honestly, this would have been out of my memory forever. Had to work, not just, and he liked fixed his pocket posture and his like bouncing. I'm old. I might shit myself. I'm so excited. You don't regret it. Uh, every morning I take my dog on about a two mile walk. Uh, one particular morning. I felt a little grumble in my stomach before I left, but I'm like, whatever, I'll just deal with this. When I get back, I got no more than three quarters of a mile from my house and the urge like struck suddenly. And I knew I didn't have a mile of walking in me and there's no bathroom between where I was going and my house. So I literally. Called my wife to come pick me up halfway between the point where I was in our home. And she drove me like three minutes back to the house being like, how old are you? Uh, yeah, and like legitimately I had to get out of the car as the garage door was opening and like scurry upstairs, it was a really bad situation. It was almost, it was terrible. It was really good. Um, I do, I want to get. Into the hiker trash Vogue thing. But since we're on the subject of poop, this is a very poop is choosing this hiker trash books. Yeah. I'm just dangling, dangling it for people. But yeah, I think this is a weird segue, but speaking of anger, trash Vogue, this one time at poop. So just generally, do you have any standout proof stories? It's been a minute since we've had one, you know, 18 did. I did pretty, pretty damn good. Uh, but. In 17, actually, the only time I ever shipped my pants while hiking was not even on trail, I was, uh, into Hatchapee and sharing a bed with my friend, Kathleen and woke up middle of the night. And, uh, I was also very sick after this. I think I had maybe gotten noro, probably got Nora, but I woke up at like three in the morning and like, shit, the bed and let's I was wearing my shorts. I like got new shorts. That's like the liner in them. So wait, there was definitely. Was this like a friend or was this like a, you know, a friend? Like what kind of stuff? Oh no, this is my, this is my friend, Kathleen, who I started the trail with. She started with me and Andrew. You want to know like what level of embarrassing this was going to be? Oh yeah, dude. If it was, uh, I would, I, you know, I wouldn't talk about it again. Um, uh, yeah, so I, I had to get up and like, I like got to the shower. I was not feeling well. And I like had to wash my shorts in the shower. Uh, and I was like, you know, lightly crying in the shower and I like come out and they like put the towel over the stain on the bed and in the morning, and in the morning I wake up and she's just like, why are you. So close to me and I'm like, Oh, sorry, mr. Rollover. I would have never told her this story. She doesn't know. No, I need to tell her, I might wait. Maybe I'll wait until like her birthday or something like that. Yeah. Or you could just send her this episode is for you in here. Yeah. It shouldn't be mad. It's just so long ago that like, I just. There's never been a good time. And now I'd kind of want to wait for the right time. It's like her wedding. Um, there, this reminds me of a good call back. So my friend came on and she told the story about her shitting. No, actually she didn't shit. Her friend. What was the story? She sinks shitter. This really was clogged and she took the. The toilet, the poop out of the toilet with a giant spoon and put it in the sink to try to unclog the toilet. And people walked in on her, like started calling her sink and she told this whole story about it on a past episode. And it was fantastic, but she was like, I want to stay anonymous. She told me that some guy from her job. Came up to her and he was like, I know your sink shitter. He was like, I listened to that podcast. I know, it's you. I heard your voice. I know. It's you? She does a very distinct, she was like, I looked at him and I was like, tell no one. Oh my God, that literally was just making me gag. I can't handle that. What was it? She was like, She has like transferring the shit from the toilet to the sink with a Spooner. Yeah. There was like a large spoon that like moves like the water into the sauna on the rocks. And then it was too clog to be unclogged. So she had to like, that's our next, that's our next t-shirt to clog to be unplugged. All right. Let's put this back on the rails. Let's talk about hiker trash Bogues so were waiting so long. Well, actually, let's start with your background as a photographer, because I know you were a blogger for the Trek in 17. I want to say, uh, it was readily apparent even then that obviously you were a phenomenally talented photographer. So give us a rundown on your background in photography prior to backpacking. Uh, it's not that I didn't, my dad just gave me his camera when I hit I 12. And so I shot film for like six weeks, seven years. And then, yeah, I made, as soon as I picked up the camera, I never stopped. So that's kind of, yeah, that's my background. I just, like, I just knew as soon as I picked up a camera, I just, like, I knew I wanted to be a photographer. Interesting. So trance is a pretty solid photographer. I am terrible. So you're going to have to speak to the lowest common denominator here. Do you think that starting with film photography for any reason is like a good white belt? Is that a good intro? Would you recommend someone who wants to get into photography start with film or is that just totally irrelevant? Um, I mean, if they want, I mean, like, I, you know, Because I learned that film. Like, I don't feel bad shooting digital, cause like I know how, like I do all my settings manually. Like I know how to do that. And I, I still shoot film for like personal stuff obviously. But, um, I don't know, like, I mean it's cheaper to do digital, but films really fun. Like I like kind of the genuine quality of it, you know, knowing that like, okay, I'm not going to take. 50 shots of the same thing when I own, you know, I only have 24 exposures in a role. So I mean, I think film's really fun. Um, and yeah, it's just, uh, so I, it just depends on, I guess, what kind of work people are wanting to produce. Okay. So now tell us about how did photography play into your 2017 night? Uh, not really. I mean, I brought my camera and I took portraits of people, but it was just. I dunno, I, I, in 17, like, I, I felt like I wanted to do something bigger than just like, Hey, just take photos of people and whatever. And so, um, I think maybe that was like a little bit of reason. I was disheartened with my like 2017 hike. I was like, Oh, I came out here and like, I'm hiking, but I'm like, you know, I'm not really like doing anything with my work that feels worthwhile to me at least. Um, So I think that was a part of the reason I quit as well. And then I am 18. I didn't start hiker trash bulb until like Wrightwood that's when I like got the inspiration to do it. Um, but at that point I was just having so much fun being back on trail that I wasn't even thinking about the photography aspect, which was really nice. It was nice to know like, Oh, I actually really love backpacking. Do you think that part of it had to do with the fact that you learned how to long distance hike? The first time. And then once you knew kind of what it took to pull a big mile day or to, you know, get to camp on time or to take breaks when you should, and not, when you shouldn't like that helped give you the free time to focus on that. When you, you know, the first time around you were just focusing on how do I do this and get to camp the next day and or at the end at night, and then hike again the next day. Yeah. You know, I've never even thought about that then. I absolutely like that. I think that's exactly right. That was, you know, it's, like I said, I mean, I did maybe like two or three 20 mile days in 2017 and I thought that was, I thought that was like endless for me. I was just like, Holy, okay. It's a long. But then when I came back in 2018, like my first day I did 20 miles to the Marina. Oh, that's kind of weird. Cause I got, I got to like, how's your Creek super fast. Like at like one 30 or two o'clock and I was like, Oh, that's that's what, 15 miles. And I was like, Oh, that's kinda weird. I was like, I feel really good still. And I don't like camp down here with like 30 people. It's the small area. So I started the hike up to, uh, Lake Morena and I got there. I was like, that's kind of weird. And then the next day I did the whatever 22 miles to, um, Mount Laguna. And I'm like, this is I'm done. I'm like, this has gotta be a fluke. So I just like one more 20 mile day after that, then I got to Julian and then I was like, I'm going to slow it down. So I did like. One like 15 mile day. I was like, okay, now I'm bored. So like, I guess I can do this. So it was kind of, kind of weird. I was able to do it right off the bat. Whereas the first year it was like dying. Just doing like 12 miles. Yeah. I remember like in the desert, I like, I remember I was going down to Cabazon that 19 mile downhill. And on that 90 mile downhill, I had done my first five miles consecutive without stopping. And I told the girls making with, like, I was like, I was amazed, blown away. I was like, I just did five miles without stopping for a break. And she was like, yeah, like that's like normal. And I was like, Oh my God, like that is not normal at all. And I think like the second round. Yeah. The second time around when you're not like, when you know how to like pace out your breaks, like the mileage feels familiar and you're not, it doesn't seem as well. Like you get places faster and you have more free time to swim in the lakes or do photography or pursue like something that you're passionate about. Whereas the first time you're just trying to make it through the day. Totally. Yeah. And like, it, it, it became so fun to like, it, people always ask me like, Oh, did it ever feel like work? And it was like, no, like it, I was doing, I was taking two things and like combining them, and then also like sharing my art with people I love by including them in my art. So, I mean, it was, it was a dream come true for me. Like, I felt like. I think for me, it was like the most meaningful work I've ever done because it was meaningful to me. And it was just a bonus that people liked it and in thought, but for me, I would have done it regardless. How are you editing your photos on trail? Are you using like polar or like we're using Photoshop on your phone? Um, I actually did everything on my phone and I used, um, Vesco and. There's another like Japanese app I had found, and it kind of adds that like grainy texture, um, called Calla, C a L L a. Those are the only two apps I use. Like, I didn't even like discover the Lightroom app until I finished the trail. I'm like, Oh, this would have been like, A lot nicer, but yeah, let's take a step back for a second and define what, what is hiker trash vote? Cause I think people who are the people who obviously follow you on Instagram, who, or who have seen your stuff, know the answer to this question, but assume that you're speaking to someone that has no clue what this is. Yeah. It's um, I explain it as an editorial style photography project that revolt that, you know, basically. It's making dirty new hikers, um, pretend like they're high fashion model. Yeah. And torque's not allowed to be, uh, braggadocious about his own work, but it's so good. It's so good. Not only the quality of the photography, but the things that you're able to get people to do that is the most fascinating aspect to get them to sit, still sit, still dump milk on their face. Like, so walk us, walk us through some of your favorite poses. One of my favorite photos eat. Like he poses like, yeah, that was good. Yeah. Whatever you're having your photography victims do for the shots. I mean the milk one yeah. Stands out to me too, just cause it's so fucking funny, but uh, I don't know, like I have different favorite photos for different reasons, you know? Like. Some of them, like, you know, that other people might not like, I really loved because I know whether I know that person, right. Like there's a story behind it. You know, something funny happened that day. Also like a lot, like, what I love about a lot of my work is I don't let, usually people smile, uh, But it's always funny because there's so many outtakes of people laughing and just like, I should post the outtakes too with them too. Cause it's like, it's really funny. Cause we get like one shot, but then it's them just being like awkward or goofy or like there's so many people that like, like you say, don't smile and what do they do? They start laughing and then, and then I get past them. Listen, you have to listen. So we can get the shot you're on a schedule. So you mentioned that a lot of your favorite photos might be ones that other people might not pick. Cause there's like funny stories or things attached to them. What are some stories you could tell us behind the photos that people might not know about? Um, what's one that stands out like my profile photo. I mean, I think everyone knows, like, if you follow me, like I got done by a wasp on my. Uh, I don't know, eyebrow. Um, and it's funny because we were just about to cross bridge of the gods. Like we were, I'm not even kidding you, 10 feet from bridge of the gods and all these loss start going everywhere. And I get stung on my eyebrow and we start crossing and like the three guys I'm hiking with, they're like having their, like, you know, Bridge of the gods moment. They're fucking like Reese would have been MoMA and I'm N and I'm hiking behind them holding my face, being like, fuck motherfucker, are you fucking kidding me? I'm like, I'm livid. Like, I don't even remember cause crossing the bridge. Cause I was just like, what the hell? Um, and then the next morning I woke up and I like asked my, my, the friend I was hiking with. It was like, Hey, is this something wrong with my face? He was like, Holy shit. The perks of known the Arizona trail. Yeah. Yeah, what's funny is that later that day, I was like, damn to see so many people a day. Like, and there's this like older Asian man. Yeah. Who was kind of hiking around us. Um, he, I don't think he really took zero. We'd take a zero and we'd pass them again. So I saw him, probably passed them like five or six times. And that morning I saw him again. Cause they recognize this walk and his like his little backpack and his hat he would wear. And, um, And I think it was hard of hearing. Cause like there was one time where he like, couldn't hear me move. So I'd be like, Hey, good morning. You know, somebody was like, I could like pass them. And so I was coming up behind him and says, hi, good morning. And he goes to turn around and he goes, Oh, he said he is, but I think it was my faith. And it was really funny. That is when I, I want to talk about. How are you getting people to do this? So people, again, who are not familiar with the hiking Instagram community, this became a really big thing, but obviously I had to start somewhere. So at some point early on in the process, Before anyone knew what the hell hiker treasure Vogue was. You had to convince them to dump milk on their face. Let's. Can we talk about kind of the evolution from the first people that you started to do for their portraits and then how that progressed? I'm imagining yet people coming up to you like. Begging you asking you to do this by the end of the hike. Okay. We take a step further back. Do you have any experience like shooting editorial photography or like high fashion photography? Or was this just something that you were like, I've seen magazines. I can make them post, like, how did you even know what to do? Great. Uh, so I, so I w did a stint of college. Um, I did a year and a half of that in San Francisco at the Academy of art. And I actually was going to double major in like fashion, just cause I wanted, like, since I was a kid, I was like, I'm going to be a fashion photographer. Like that's what I want to do. And then working with the fashion kids, I was like, I do not want to be a fashion photographer cause I do people. But so like, I've always, I love like I have. That's about fashion photography still. I just like, I love how like outrageous and like ridiculous it is. Um, and. I, so, yeah, I still I've. I feel like my work is, Oh, it's been a little bit like editorial also. I really like concept art where I kind of like create stories with an image. Um, so I like, that's my like hiker trash Vogue is my style. Like that's like, if you look at my other work, it's my style. Just like with hikers and in the outdoors. Makes sense. Uh, okay. Now back to back, back to the question of like, was it difficult to get people that are not models who are maybe even insecure about the way that they look bruises from the hip belt or change? Yeah. And obviously the ladies are not wearing makeup. Everyone looks like trash. Maybe that's an overstatement, but like, I didn't really everyone's dirty as fuck. Yeah. Like I can't tell you how many. Like girls, I would photograph and be like, okay, my hair is a mess. Right. And I'm like, yeah, that's the fucking point. But it's so funny. Cause you look at these pictures and I'm maybe just, cause I know most of these people and I with them and like, but I mean, you look at all these people and they look fucking gorgeous, but also like everyone on trail looks great because what are we doing? We're like, we're not going to work. Like we're not stressed about anything. We're literally just like. Do you want, like, you know, doing something for ourselves, that's just like, amazing. So it's like, how do you expect people not to look good when they're like the happiest I've ever been? I heard a joke in the beginning of the PCT from another hiker that was. Uh, it went, how do you, or wire through hikers? All so attractive. And the answer was because they walk the ugly off in the first hundred miles. And like in the first few hundred miles, like I, part of it like meant like, you know, like we're getting like muscular and in shape and everything, but I think it's also like, people just become happier. Like they become happier, like people that are just, yeah, the little moment the life comes back to their eyes. You can see it. Yeah. Well, and yeah. And here's the thing with, yeah. Kind of like going off, what you just said is. Like what, how do like happy? What do happy people exude exude confidence and nothing is sexier than someone who's confident. Like, I don't care how big or small or muscular or like, whatever you are, like, confidence is hot. And like when you're out there, how can you not. Feel good about yourself, despite the fact that we're like on showered and dirty, but here's the thing all of us are. So what are you saying to people early on to get them to do these crazy things? Yeah. What's your pitch? Um, so, well, when it started, we were in Wrightwood and I was sharing, um, I had gotten a house with. Like, uh, eight other people that had been hiking around and we were just like taking a day off and it was like, Oh, let's all, let's have a hiker photo shoot piece of gear and, well, it's like you stupid poses. Don't be really funny. And I posted it and then like all these like companies and people started sharing it and stuff. I was like, Oh, okay, well maybe this is my like, uh, I mean, this is like my project thing. So I just kept doing it every time. I'd like get to a town or like, like a place on trail boards. There was a lot of hikers. So it's, I feel like it started pretty like, you know, pretty lighthearted and then. As I went on, I just, you know, I'd get more and more creative and I try to add more prompts or just like, be as outrageous as I could. But the end of the trail, literally people were just like throwing themselves out. Maybe like, I'll do anything. Like what should I do? Like I'll get naked and I'll pour milk on my leg. You know, I'll ride this bear. Like, I don't know, like people were just like willing to do anything. I was going to say where people kind of like seeking you out, like where you just like filling up water at a stream and people go, Oh my God, it's twerk. Take a photo of me. Here's my tits. You know? Sorry. I mean, I think people, like, I definitely feel like there was moments there where people would just like, see me and they would, I feel like maybe they were like, Wanting to say something. I actually had a few insistence where like, people would write me later. They're like, Oh, I like saw you at camp or saw you it something, but I didn't want to like, bother you. I'm like, why are you bothering me? I'm just another hiker. You know, it's always weird when they, when they tell you after. And you're like, dude, just say something it's weird. They knew the whole time. And didn't say anything. Yeah. But there would be people who'd be like, Oh, can you, can you like take a photo of me? And I was like, well, you can't, I. I mean, it doesn't bother me that much. Like people ask, but if I'm like, sometimes I didn't want to take a photo, like all the time, you know, like I have to do it, like when I took photos because I felt inspired and I saw something or I saw someone and then I wanted to create something. I can't just, you know, it's just not like, Hey, like write a song or, Hey, do this thing. That's creative. Like. Right. Like, you gotta like, like what go stand by that tree. You know, how, how hard is it to think of an entire setup for a photo on the spot? Yeah, I mean, it's, I mean, it's not that hard to just like take a photo, obviously. But like when I take a photo, I want it to be like, I want it to be genuine. I don't want to do it. Cause I have to, you know, I want to do it cause I want to. Um, and so, I mean, Sometimes I would just be like, Hey, here's the picture? And then whatever. But yeah, most of the times it's like, I would just like be stopping people on tour. I'll be like, Hey, I have this idea. You're going to do this right now. And they're like, Oh, okay. I'm curious. Did you do any landscape photography along the way or was it purely just these hiker trash broke photos? Uh, on my phone. It's funny though. I can't tell you, like, I could go through my pictures on my phone from like, PCT like landscaped. And like, I couldn't tell you where like any of them were. Yeah. Like, it'd be like, Oh, that looks familiar, but I haven't no idea where it was. I can go through all my PCP photos and tell you exactly the mile marker like exactly where, where, what happened that day. If I look, I don't know, I just associate people with memories and memories. Yeah, for sure. I remember hearing that early on in the eighties, and I even did a bad job with this after receiving this very Sage advice. But, you know, everyone wants to take the same picture of the same Ridge or the same sunset or yada yada yada, and like, you know, there's people out there with $3,000 cameras that are going to do a million times better job than you are. Take pictures of the people around you. Those are the things that you're going to remember. Those are the things you're going to miss the most. And I think at least I'm I'm victim of this. I am constantly taking pictures of the landscapes terribly and not enough photos of my fellow hikers. Yeah. Sometimes like, I feel awkward asking for people that'll give me a hitch or let me stay or whatever. Like, I'll feel awkward asking them, Hey, can we take a picture before I leave? But then like, those are the ones I look back on it. I'm like, Oh my God. And this was this family I stayed with, or this was this guy. They gave us this hitch that had this crazy story. And there's just so many more memories attached with it that a picture of a mountain has. Yeah, totally. I know. That's one thing I wish I would have done is take more pictures of like trail angels and like people I met that like weren't hiking, but I don't know. I just felt like it was just really like. Personal thing that I didn't want to like bother someone that already did something nice for me by being like, can I take here pose? You know, like I would've done more. Like, can I just take a picture of you? You don't have to do anything just like a snapshot, but I think I was just like more in my head, but like, if I'm going to take a picture, I'm going to have you do something crazy. You know, we can go big here. So, so hiker, trash Vogue means a lot of things. It started out as a concept. Through your Instagram photography, and then it evolved into a bigger project. Can you talk us through that? Um, which bro, what do you mean? Didn't you make a wasn't there, wasn't there a book? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I did two books. Sorry. I was like, I mean, that was the, yeah. Yeah. So at what point did you decide that the series was going to be made into a book and talk us through the logistics on that? Because I I've self published to self published, but the prospect of self publishing. Yeah, that sounds is it a hardcover? Yeah, they're both hard covers. Um, and I knew I was going to. Pretty much what I got to like nor Cal, I was like, okay, like done more than half the trail. Like if I finished. I'm going to like, make a book of this, but I was like, I was like, I'm not going to do a book if I don't finish. Like, I just felt like I had to finish. We're just stupid, you know? But like, for me, I just felt like I had to complete this to make the book you'll complete. Cause it won't feel complete to me. Um, if I don't like make it to Canada, um, which I did, no, it was like, like ridiculous. Um, but. It's in my head. That's how I felt. But so in nor Cal, I was already like, kind of making layouts in my head and like writing down, like things. I want to remember when I was done and off trail. And then like, literally like two weeks after I got up Charles, they came, no, sir. It's time to start designing, start writing. Um, getting other hikers to write. Yeah, it was a big project. Like it was. Um, it was actually like quite stressful. Like by the time I decided to do the second book and started design it, I'm like, Holy shit. I did not, I should have not signed up to do the second one. Cause like it's a lot of, it really is a lot of work and I, it was just, it was very stressful and the first one was so fun. Cause I was like, cool. I can dig like good to all my photos and like. I was like way more inspired. And then the second one made it feel like work. So at least that that's enough. Like, I should only do things. Like if I feel like it's good creative outlet, not like I'm forced to do it. Did you make it on InDesign or did you use like one of those photo bookmakers online? Um, Shutterfly, I think is what I'm thinking of. I used to make camp books for the, for the campers, with Shutterfly. Designed the entire thing via Photoshop. Oh wow. You did like spread my spread on Photoshop, everything I've tried in design. And I was like, I don't have time to learn this. Oh my God. We should have, we should have talked. Yeah. I know. All of my friends who are designers are like you did on Photoshop. What the hell? And I was like, I don't know. I was just like, I didn't want to learn something else new to like finish the thing. But I think I do have InDesign and I do want to learn it cause like, I probably will do some other sort of book. Well, if you ever want to like FaceTime for like 30 minutes, I could teach you the whole thing. I made our high school year book in it. And then that's what I made hiking from home on. Um, it's so simple. It's just, you just gotta know what buttons to click. Yeah. That's what my friends, all my friends who were like designers said, and I was like, okay, well I'll learn it for next time. Yeah. Well I'll, I'll show you. We'll play it on time. So I'm curious, what is the cost of making one of these giant photo color, rich books that, that can't be cheap. Yeah. Um, the first one I made, which was 11, um, 11 or eight and a half by 11 hot each book cost me like $82. Cause it was like, It was also like almost 300 pages. And I went with like the highest quality color, highest quality, uh, paper, you know? Cause I was like, you know what? I'm not like I'm not doing this to make money. I'm just doing it because I want people to like have my work. So if people want to pay for it, they'll pay it. So what were you selling them for? That makes sense. Which, which like, sounds like a lot, but. I the way I explain it is like I spent $8,500 on the PCP like that, like the work I produce, like it's not like me just like, Oh, I was like bought a camera and I'm going to be a photographer. It's like this, like there's at that point with 18 years of experience behind it, you know, there like so many years of like mastering my craft. And if you think about it, you sell a PR one print to someone like. Sometimes that's like two, $300, depending on how big. Yeah, so like getting a book of like all the work I, I had to like. Talk myself into it though. Cause I was ready to just be like, you know what, I'm just going to do, like everything cheap that people just have it. And I was like, you know what? I want people to like actually want my work. I feel like that's like the point of a coffee shop book though. Or I'm not a coffee, a coffee table book. Like one of those where you just flip through the pages, it's like, it's going to be expensive, but you're going to put it there and it's going to be enjoyable. The flip through, I think scout talked about it when he was talking about is Pacific crest trail book. Um, Not the one that he just put out in the last episode, but the actual photo album he talked about in the first episode, they were, yeah. Like the printing fees can be outrageous. Yeah. It's pretty crazy. But like, I mean, you pay for quality and like, I wasn't gonna, I wasn't gonna have that thing. Like send people from like bullshit book, you know? Did you notice any. Negative impacts to the quality of the second book, because it wasn't as much of a passion project. Um, no, actually I, you know, what's funny though, is like, when I was sending out, I was like, God, I hope people don't hate this because like, for, in my mind I was like, I mean, I still spent the same amount of time working on that. On the second one I spent almost, you know, almost six months redoing it and changing it. So it was different from the other one. And, um, But I was nervous that people were going to get it and be like, Oh, this cause a lot of there's a lot of people that bo
109 minutes | 3 months ago
#80 | Dr. Anne Baker on Post-Trail Depression
In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, Badger is joined by Anne Baker. In addition to being an experienced long distance backpacker and gear nerd, Anne has a PhD, is a licensed therapist, scientist, and someone who has done a good deal of research on post trail depression. Anne breaks down precisely what is happening when someone experiences post trail depression and offers some tips for how to avoid it or at least lessen its impact. Anne also details what 2020 NOGO thru-hikers went through this year and how their grief was tied to a loss of identity. I found the subject matter of today's show super interesting, and I think you will too. We close out the show with a triple crown of trails we have not yet hiked, highlight some standout day hikes in the Salt Lake City area, and give Martin his much deserved 15 seconds of fame. Gossamer Gear discount code: Use code: PoopStory for 15% off your entire cart at gossamergear.com. Backcountry discount code: Use code: Backpacker15 for 15% off your first purchase at backcountry.com/backpackerradio. [divider] The Trek's Pledge to Do Better BACKPACKER RADIO MERCH Interview with Dr.Anne Baker Instagram: ennakrek Anne's articles for The Trek QOTD: What small thing is irrationally annoying to you? Hikerlink! Intro Song: Walking Slow by Animal Years Intro beats: Pauly Boy Shallcross Check out Trail Correspondents Check out The Attempt! [divider] 00:04:49 - QOTD: What small thing is irrationally annoying to you? 00:06:45 - Pitch a Podcast! 00:07:00 - Intro to Anne Baker 00:07:40 - Why are you here? 00:08:15 - Can you tell us about your educational and professional background? 00:10:19 - Can you talk about the intersection of pain and emotion? 00:11:30 - Can you alter your perception of pain by changing your vocabulary around it? 00:13:52 - Advice for someone with chronic lyme disease dealing with pain? 00:16:29 - Will you walk us through the process of getting a PhD.? 00:20:10 - Will you walk us through your backpacking resume? 00:24:54 - Thoughts on section hiking? 00:29:15 - Do you struggle to make a trail family when section hiking? 00:30:49 - What is your go-to big 5 (for gear)? 00:34:24 - Anything in the gear pipeline we should be excited about? 00:36:19 - Can you tell us about Post-Trail Depression and walk us through your approach to the project you did on it? 00:38:15 - Can you talk about the identity aspect of post-trail depression? 00:39:40 - Did you ask how people felt about their lives before the trail? 00:40:00 - What kind of habits can you maintain to keep your trail self alive? 00:44:43 - Will you walk us through your coined acronym “SPACE”? 00:46:00 - How would someone experience these on trail? 01:00:08 - So a history of mental health issues didn’t translate to being more likely to suffer from post-trail depression? 01:01:58 - How does a person’s job play into their post-trail depression? 01:05:26 - Do you have any tips to mitigate post-trail depression? 01:08:51 - How did the pandemic influence your second article about post-trail depression (specifically how deciding whether or not to hike during the pandemic affected people)? 01:10:57 - Why don’t you like labels of mental illness? 01:14:19 - What aspects of grief show up a lot for people who did not get to thru-hike? 01:14:48 - What common bargaining tactics showed up? 01:15:51 - Do you have any other major takeaways from your interviews with thru-hikers? 01:17:43 - Can you talk a little bit about what was happening on social media in regards to whether or not people should thru-hike this year? 01:20:04 - Have you noticed any difference in the hiking community now vs. when you were interviewing people in March and April? 01:22:02 - Do you have any advice for someone who is experiencing grief due to not being able to thru-hike? 01:25:16 - Do you have advice for people who are struggling specifically during COVID, when typical resources are not available to us? 01:27:20 - Do you meditate? 01:28:17 - Anything else you want to touch on? 01:29:02 - Any backpacking or outdoor adventures coming up? 01:30:08 - Where should people go to see your stuff? Anne’s articles for the trek can be found here. SEGMENTS Best Day, Weekend, and Long-Distance Hikes in Wyoming and Utah Triple Crown of Trails We Haven’t Hiked Mail Bag 5 Star Reviews [divider] Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Paul Packman Sealy, Jason Lawrence, Janelle L., Austen McDaniel, Andrew, Thomas Fullner, Christopher Marshburn, S11N, and Sawyer Products A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Emily Brown, Jeffrey Miller, Mitchell, Zoe Jenkins, dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Mark Snook, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube.
162 minutes | 3 months ago
#79 | Mac from Halfway Anywhere
In today's episode of Backpacker Radio, presented by The Trek, brought to you by Backcountry.com, we are joined by Mac of Halfwayanywhere.com. Mac gives us the full tour through his short, but very dense adventuring career, including his 1 and a half PCT thru-hikes, his time in Japan, his multiple trips through the Himalayas, bikepacking across Australia, and the list goes on and on. We touch on why the Arizona Trail is game off for the remainder of 2020, a one minute gear review, a point counter point on quilts vs. sleeping bags, and our last Backcountry Matchmaking for a hot minute. \ Greenbelly discount code: Use code: Trek2020 for 10% off sitewide at greenbelly.co. Backcountry.com discount code: Use code: Backpacker15 for 15% off your first purchase at backcountry.com/backpackerradio. [divider] Please fill out this survey if you’d like to help BPR! The Trek's Pledge to Do Better BACKPACKER RADIO MERCH Interview with Mac from Halfway Anywhere HalfwayAnywhere.com @HalfwayAnywhere on Instagram QOTD: What was your favorite (or weirdest) celebrity encounter? Hikerlink! Intro Song: Walking Slow by Animal Years Intro beats: Pauly Boy Shallcross Check out Trail Correspondents Check out The Attempt! [divider] 00:07:49 - Take our survey, please! 00:09:25 - Applications for Vlogging and Blogging for The Trek in 2021 are open! 00:09:56 - Intro to Mac from HalfwayAnywhere.com 00:11:00 - Do you hate the word moist? 00:11:55 - What is your backpacking/adventuring background? 00:12:55 - Do you remember where you discovered the PCT? 00:13:25 - Did you know you might be in over your head starting the PCT? 00:14:00 - When did the website (Halfway Anywhere) start? 00:17:16 - What kind of content were you putting out on your blog? 00:18:30 - Do you think it was an advantage going into your hike without prior research (when it came to writing)? 00:20:02 - Stand out moments from your PCT hike? 00:22:26 - What were the biggest differences you noticed between the PCT your first time and when you did it recently? 00:26:09 - Were you using paper maps or Half Mile? 00:27:18 - How did your most recent PCT hike go? 00:28:00 - Which version of the Sierra do you like better (snow or no snow)? 00:28:41 - Are the views better with or without the snow? 00:29:24 - What came after your 2013 PCT hike? 00:32:52- How did you find your job in Japan? 00:33:21 - What do you do for fun in Japan? 00:34:31 - How did you find hikes in Japan? 00:37:44 - How long were you in Japan? What came next? 00:40:00 - You hiked to Everest Base Camp? 00:40:34 - What did you learn about the altitude on the first trip? 00:42:16 - Did you do Whitney on the PCT ‘13? 00:43:55 - What’s the difference in the attire for different elevations? 00:45:06 - Do you have Sherpas/a guide in the Himalaya? 00:46:00 - Is there a language barrier in Nepal? 00:47:10 - Are there ethical reasons for sourcing Sherpas? 00:50:00 - Should you hire a guide for EBC? 00:51:00 - Can you tell us about the Three Passes Trek? 00:54:24 - What is the distance of the Three Passes Trek and how long did it take you? 00:58:00 - How often were you sleeping inside? 01:00:00 - What do you pay per night/day on an Everest Base Camp or Three Pass Trek loop? 01:01:00 - How is it navigating transportation? 01:02:45 - Do you have a standout Nepalese meal? 01:04:32 - Tell us about your Australia bikepacking trip! 01:05:30 - Where did you get water? 01:08:22 - Did you arrive with your bikepacking setup or did you buy it there? 01:09:25 - How long did the whole bike trip take you? 01:10:21 - Do you have any words of wisdom when it comes to fiscal responsibility? 01:11:44 - What was it like working in a bar in Australia? 01:14:30 - What did you do in 2017? 01:15:30 - What kind of hiking is in Tasmania? 01:17:00 - How did you choose Tasmania? 01:18:00 - How long are the hikes you are doing in Tasmania? 01:18:57 - What were the Rio Olympics like? 01:19:22 - How many languages do you speak? 01:20:05 - Were you doing this with friends? 01:20:36 - Are you doing most of your adventures solo? 01:21:09 - Has it been an adjustment to be in a relationship? 01:21:55 - How old are you? 01:21:14 - Is your fire for adventure still as strong as ever? 01:22:41 - How does your relationship work with adventures? 01:24:32 - Starting the CDT 01:25:55 - How would you compare the San Juans in 2017 to the Sierra in 2013? 01:30:42 - Comparison of the PCT to the CDT? 01:32:36 - Fuck, Marry, Kill: Sierra, Winds, Himalayas? 01:36:45 - Should you hike the PCT or the CDT? 01:38:48 - Do you ever get burnt out from traveling? 01:39:42 - What did you do next? 01:40:44 - How much time do you dedicate to the website amidst traveling? 01:43:10 - So you went back to Nepal? 01:43:38 - Why was the Annapurna Circuit your least favorite trek in Nepal? 01:46:14 - What was after the Annapurna Circuit? 01:47:54 - How long did Island Peak take? 01:49:10 - Do you feel safe in Nepal? 01:50:36 - Do you have more Nepal treks on your list? 01:52:05 - Tell us about the Japanese Alps? 01:54:05 - Why don’t you want to hike Mt.Fuji? 01:55:49 - Does the traverse of the Japanese Alps involve route finding? 01:56:50 - Is the ridgeline hiking there technical at all? 01:57:30 - And you sprinkled in the Camino De Santiago? 01:58:21 - Do you still enjoy that style of adventure? 01:59:06 - Do you have a stats background? 02:00:13 - What was your track before the Appalachian Trail? 02:02:08 - What’s in the future for Mac? 02:02:56 - Where did you get the trail name Mac? 02:05:00 - Where should people find your stuff? HalfwayAnywhere.com @HalfwayAnywhere on Instagram SEGMENTS Arizona Trail Association Discourages 2020 SOBO AZT Thru-Hikes and Thru-Rides Mail Bag / 5 Star Review Hybrid Section 1- Minute Gear Reviews Zach: Kataydyn Befree Filter Chaunce: Custom Thrupack Point/Counterpoint: Quilts vs. Sleeping Bags Backcountry Matchmaking Molly Rhoads (Sharktooth) | insta: @mollieamazing Greg (My Best Friend) | insta: @mybestfriendatx Jordan Reynolds (Outdoor Rebel) | insta: @outdoorebel [divider] Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Paul Packman Sealy, Jason Lawrence, Janelle L., Austen McDaniel, Andrew, Thomas Fullner, Christopher Marshburn, S11N, and Sawyer Products A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Emily Brown, Jeffrey Miller, Mitchell, Zoe Jenkins, dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Mark Snook, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube.
109 minutes | 4 months ago
#78 | Delia D'Ambra of Park Predators
In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by Backcountry.com, we are joined by Delia D'ambra. Delia is a full-time investigative journalist and the host of Park Predators, a podcast that details some of the most horrific murders that have taken place in national parks. Needless to say, maybe don't let your kids listen to this one. We cover the triple crown of Adam Sandler movies, do another round of one minute gear reviews, a point / counterpoint on inflatable vs closed cell foam sleeping pads, and learn about diarrhea inducing gummy bears. Greenbelly discount code: Use code: Trek2020 for 10% off sitewide at greenbelly.co. Backcountry discount code: Use code: Backpacker15 for 15% off your first purchase at backcountry.com/backpackerradio. Please fill out this survey if you’d like to help BPR! The Trek's Pledge to Do Better BACKPACKER RADIO MERCH Interview with Delia D'Ambra Find Park Predators wherever you listen to podcasts @DeliaDambraTV on Twitter @deliamdambraw on Instagram @audiochuck on instagram and twitter QOTD: What is your least popular or most controversial opinion? Hikerlink! Intro Song: Walking Slow by Animal Years Intro beats: Pauly Boy Shallcross Check out Trail Correspondents Check out The Attempt! [divider] 00:04:50 - QOTD: What is your least popular or most controversial opinion? 00:08:46 - Please fill out this 45 second survey! 00:09:17 - New BPR shirts! 00:11:00 - Intro to Delia D’Ambra! 00:11:24 - How did you get involved with investigative journalism? 00:12:26 - How do you decide what stories to tackle? 00:13:45 - When you do episodes for podcasts like Park Predators, how do you go about doing the research for it? 00:15:50 - Have any of your episodes led to new clues? 00:17:40 - Is Adnan Syed guilty? 00:18:50 - Can you talk about the differences between mediums (news vs. podcast vs. broadcast)?00:20:40 - How did you decide to focus your research on National Parks? 00:23:01 - Did you find there was a disproportionate amount of murders in National Parks? 00:24:50 - Does doing this murder research freak you out? 00:26:57 - How do you keep an eye out for murderers in the backcountry? 00:29:50 - Do you hear stories from people who heed your advice? 00:31:00 - Can you give us a summary of the first episode of Park Predators? 00:33:50 - What was Gary Michale Hilton’s victimology? 00:35:30 - Are there things that make you feel empathy for the killers? Is there a theme/commonality to the way they operate? 00:37:29 - Can you give us a taste of episode 3? 00:40:48 - Chaunce’s brush with death 00:41:25 - What do you do if you see someone who looks very suspicious? 00:43:12 - Can you talk about episode 4? 00:48:53 - Do you think going through childhood trauma may have affected him becoming a killer? 00:49:20 - What kind of detail do you go into about the specific murders on Park Predators? 00:50:50 - Can you give us an example of how the women in Yosemite were murdered? 00:53:17 - Did any of these victims have or use mace? 00:53:53 - Can you tell us another story? 00:55:38 - Do these stories ever impact your personal life? Do you ever lose sleep? 00:57:10 - Do you ever worry about the killers reaching out? 00:58:25 - Did Epstein kill himself? 00:58:50 - Is there a season two? 00:59:50 - Find Park Predators wherever you get your podcasts! Segments Trek Propaganda Our Favorite Three-Ingredient Backpacking Meals by Maggie Slepian Triple Crown of Adam Sandler Movies Movie Club: Don’t Mess with the Zohan 1-Minute Gear Reviews Chaunce: Cotopaxi Windbreaker—POCKETS! Zach: Anker Powercore with dual-input port (charges the battery twice as fast) Point - Counterpoint: Inflatable sleeping pad vs. closed-cell foam pads Pupdate! Mail Bag 5-Star Review Comment ________ to win a sticker! Amazon Reviews for Sugar-Free Haribo Gummy Bears (Poop Stuff) [divider] Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Paul Packman Sealy, Jason Lawrence, Janelle L., Austen McDaniel, Andrew, Thomas Fullner, Christopher Marshburn, S11N, and Sawyer Products A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Emily Brown, Jeffrey Miller, Mitchell, Zoe Jenkins, dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Mark Snook, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube.
149 minutes | 4 months ago
#77 | Barney "Scout" Mann on his New PCT Book, "Journeys North"
In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek we are joined yet again by famed Trail Angel, triple crowner, and author, Barney Scout Mann. This convo focuses largely on Scout's new book, "Journeys North", Scout's beautiful account of his and Frodo's 2007 PCT thru-hike. We learn what went into this immense research project, how he and Frodo fended off a bear with a two-part harmony, and we're blessed with a short reading from the book. We have another one-minute gear review, introduce a new segment- point / counter point, a triple crown of summer foods, and once again start to lose our minds at the show's close. This one is a full boat. \ [divider] Listen Download this episode. [divider] Zpacks discount code:Use code: HEXAMIDBPR for $25 discount at Zpacks.com Greenbelly discount code: Use code: Trek2020 for 10% off sitewide at greenbelly.co. [divider] Apply to be The Trek's Full-Time Content + Marketing Specialist The Trek's Pledge to Do Better BACKPACKER RADIO MERCH Interview with Scout (Barney Mann) Listen to Scout’s previous episode here. Order his book here! QOTD: You get one wish but 70% of the population also gets what you wish for—what is your wish? Hikerlink! Intro Song: Walking Slow by Animal Years Intro beats: Pauly Boy Shallcross Check out Trail Correspondents Check out The Attempt! [divider] 00:04:30 - QOTD: You get one wish but 70% of the population also gets what you wish for—what is your wish? 00:08:33 - Can you give us an intro into how you got started with backpacking? 00:10:19 - Can you tell us the story of doing the PCT? 00:12:19 - Do you regret going SOBO on the AT? 00:14:30 - Scout’s involvement in the GAOA (Great American Outdoors Act) 00:15:30 - What do your neighbors think about the hikers you host? 00:16:30 - Scout and Frodo’s nightly after-dinner talk and stream crossing safety. 00:18:30 - Can you tell us about your career (after your Boy Scout days)? 00:19:30 - Are you a lawyer because you’re a good writer or are you a good writer because you’re a lawyer? 00:20:05 - What kind of lawyer were you? 00:21:54 - What was Scout thinking when he was retiring? 00:22:20 - Listen to Episode 26! (Scout’s previous episode) 00:22:45 - Where did the inspiration for “Journeys North” come from? 00:27:57 - What was the research process for gathering intel on your trail family? 00:30:10 - What does it really mean when Scout asks to write about you? 00:32:15 - Scout saved a man’s life. 00:34:09 - Scout reads an excerpt from the book. 00:36:28 - Is Scout reading his audiobook? 00:39:36 - Were you anticipating a trail family being such a huge part of your hike? 00:41:48 - What is the secret to a long and happy marriage? 00:42:48 - Can you give an example of a tough time you talked about in the book? 00:47:55 - Were you shocked by what you gathered in your research and interviews of your hiking family vs. what you saw on trail? 00:54:25 - Can you share other stories that had to be cut from the book? 00:58:58 - Can we get a two-part harmony? 01:02:20 - Can you talk about Rainy Pass? 01:09:44 - Where should people go to purchase your book? Amazon helps Scout the most. 01:10:22 - Are Scout and Frodo going to host hikers in 2021? Segments Trek Propaganda Biggest Similarities (and Differences) Between Backpacking and Bikepacking by Maggie Slepian Applications for Bloggers and Vloggers for 2021 Hot Takes for 2020 (and beyond?) 1-Minute Gear Reviews SAXX Men’s Boxer Briefs Montbell Rain Pants Send us Cinnamon Court Debates Point - Counterpoint: How you store water on the trail. Triple Crown of Summer Foods What season do deviled eggs belong to? Mail Bag 5 Star Reviews Pupdates Comment ______ to win a sticker! Backcountry Matchmaking Hayden (LLC) - @email@example.com, @haydenstuartcox Legs - @kbrookshire Tree - @jefftreezus The Gossamer Gear Crotch Pot & it’s review on The Trek [divider] Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Christopher Marshburn, Janelle L, Paul Packman Sealy, S11N, Sawyer Products, and Thomas Fullner A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jacob Northrup, Jason Lawrence, Jeff LaFranier, Jeffrey Miller, Mark Snook, Mitchell, Peter, Peter Ellenberg, and Zoe Jenkins Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube.
104 minutes | 4 months ago
#76 | The Ice Age Trail (Luke Kloberdanz from the Ice Age Trail Alliance)
Today we are joined by Luke Kloberdanz, the director of philanthropy at the Ice Age Trail Alliance. As you may have guessed, we geek out very much about all things Wisconsin, so much so, that Chaunce is convinced to make this the destination of Backpacker Radio's next road trip. We talk about Luke's own thru-hike, the wonderful tradition that is the Wisconsin Fish Fry, the history of this trail, and why it might be the ideal trek during a pandemic. We address why Chaunce's face matches her hair, get sucked down a Taco Bell Vortex, announce a new full-time opening at The Trek, and just generally lose our minds toward the end of this episode. I highly recommend having a PBR handy for this one. [divider] Listen Download this episode. [divider] Backcountry.com discount code: Use code: Backpacker15 to save 15% on your first purchase from Backcountry.com/backpackerradio Zpacks discount code:Use code: HEXAMIDBPR for $25 discount at Zpacks.com Greenbelly discount code: Use code: Trek2020 for 10% off sitewide at greenbelly.co. [divider] Apply to be The Trek's Full-Time Content + Marketing Specialist The Trek's Pledge to Do Better BACKPACKER RADIO MERCH Interview with Luke Kloberdanz from the Ice Age Trail Alliance Ice Age Trail Alliance Contact Luke: Luke@iceagetrail.org QOTD: What color is Chaunce's face? Hikerlink! Intro Song: Walking Slow by Animal Years Intro beats: Pauly Boy Shallcross Check out Trail Correspondents Check out The Attempt! [divider] 00:04:38 - QOTD: What color is Chaunce’s face? 00:07:38 - Can Zach say Luke’s name? 00:08:13 - How did Luke get involved with the Ice Age Trail? 00:10:06 - How long is the Ice Age Trail? Can you tell us more about it? 00:10:53 - Where does the money to purchase land for the trail come from? 00:11:41 - Why does the IAT go where it goes? 00:12:54 - Is the IAT constructed that way because of aesthetics or historical reasons? 00:16:52 - How was your thru-hike? 00:19:16 - You were the 11th person to thru-hike the IAT? 00:20:44 - What was the trail like when you hiked (single track vs. road walking)? 00:20:54 - Is there an official road walk for the portions that aren’t single track? 00:21:58 - What percentage of days could someone eat a fish fry while thru-hiking the IAT? 00:22:47 - Do you go through a lot of towns on the IAT? 00:23:33- Is there a traditional route on the IAT (west to east vs. east to west)? 00:24:25 - Was Spotted Cow a thing during your thru-hike? 00:25:10 - Can you explain the fish fry? 00:28:14 - Do you emphasize the cultural aspect of the IAT? 00:30:30 - Has Chaunce had a fried cheese curd before? 00:30:54 - Can you explain the importance of the squeakiness of a cheese curd? 00:32:45 - Backpacker Radio Merch 00:33:25 - Does the trail go through Madison? 00:34:30 - What are the campsites like on the IAT? 00:36:34 - What are the water sources like on the IAT? 00:37:56 - What is the recommended season to hike the IAT? And what is the typical pace? 00:41:08 - What’s the elevation change like on the IAT? 00:42:24 - What’s the practicality of hiking the IAT during coronavirus? 00:45:22 - How does someone get involved with the IAT? 00:46:40 - What kind of wildlife will people see on the IAT? 00:47:54 - What does someone do if they encounter a wolf? 00:49:32 - What is the traditional garnish for a Wisconsin Bloody Mary? 00:52:10 - Are there specific highlights of the IAT? Section hikes you’d recommend? 00:56:37 - The IAT is for_______? 00:59:14 - Luke@iceagetrail.org call the IATA office, etc. SEGMENTS The Trek Propaganda : The Trek is Hiring A Full-Time Content + Marketing Specialist Mail Bag / Backcountry Matchmaking combo Tess Bjorgen - firstname.lastname@example.org Linda - instagram: @lindasince1987 James “Medicine Man” Marsh - @venture_into_adventure Yiran “Clax” - @yiranhikes 5 Star Reviews Doug Laher’s Episode How to Eat Vegetarian at Taco Bell and How to Eat Vegan at Taco Bell Pupdate 1 Minute Gear Reviews Chaunce: Her buff / Thermarest Mondo Zach: Big Agnes Tiger Wall 3 Comment _______ to win a sticker! [divider] Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Christopher Marshburn, Janelle L, Paul Packman Sealy, S11N, Sawyer Products, and Thomas Fullner A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jacob Northrup, Jason Lawrence, Jeff LaFranier, Jeffrey Miller, Mark Snook, Mitchell, Peter, Peter Ellenberg, and Zoe Jenkins Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube.
150 minutes | 4 months ago
#75 | The Blackalachian
In today's episode of Backpacker Radio, presented by The Trek, we are joined by Daniel White, known on trail as The Blackalachian. We learn all about The Blackalachian's life before he became a full-time adventurer, including his days as a rapper and his time in prison, how thru-hiking was put on his map, his experiences with racism on the AT, his thru-bike of the Underground Railroad Route, His hikes of The Great Outdoors Challenge in Scotland and Camino del Norte in Spain, and what the future has in store for him. This conversation is both heavy and hilarious, informative and fun; we hope you enjoy it as much as we did. We wrap up the show with the Triple Crown of Summer Wins, we learn what a thunderbox is, a fan indulges my undying love for the 90s Bulls, and we have a Backcountry Matchmaking. This one has it all. [divider] Backcountry.com discount code: Use code: Backpacker15 to save 15% on your first purchase from Backcountry.com/backpackerradio Zpacks discount code:Use code: HEXAMIDBPR for $25 discount at Zpacks.com [divider] The Trek's Pledge to Do Better BACKPACKER RADIO MERCH Interview with Daniel White "The Blackalachian" YouTube Instagram QOTD: Is wearing a t-shirt with your podcast’s name on it the same as being in a band and wearing your own band t-shirt? Hikerlink! Intro Song: Walking Slow by Animal Years Intro beats: Pauly Boy Shallcross Check out Trail Correspondents Check out The Attempt! [divider] 00:03:23 – QOTD: Is wearing a t-shirt with your podcast’s name on it the same as being in a band and wearing your own band t-shirt? 00:07:10 – What was life like for the Blackalachian before he was the Blackalachian? 00:08:33 – Can you tell us about your rapping career? Soundcloud: Logo704 00:09:54 – Can you tell us what prison was like? 00:11:00 – Any overlaps between prison and thru-hiking? 00:11:50 – Did prison push you toward backpacking? 00:13:40 – Thoughts on your boss that said not to follow your dreams? 00:14:50 – Since you made the decision to thru-hike so quickly, did you have the gear you needed to start the AT? 00:17:17 – How has your gear evolved since then? 00:17:58 – where was the Blackalachian inspired? 00:20:20 – Did you get shakedowns? 00:20:45 – Did you plan your resupplies around fishing? 00:21:30 – Can you give us fishing tips? 00:21:53 – Were you YouTubing your thru-hike from the get-go? 00:23:08 - Have you gotten feedback from other Black hikers who were inspired by you? 00:23:27 – What are the more common questions and feedback that you get? 00:24:00 – Were you nervous about smaller towns in the Appalachians? 00:24:40 – What is the reality of being on trail like vs. your expectations? 00:26:00 – What were your expectations of racism on trail? What was it like on trail? 00:28:09 – Were towns better or worse than thru-hikers? 00:29:00 – Have you ever encountered someone and changed their perception? 00:30:03 – Can you give us an example of microagressions? 00:33:07 – Can you tell us how you came to your motto of “love and light”? 00:37:05 - Do you have any specific highlights from your AT hike? 00:39:30 – Flipping on the AT? 00:40:13 – Did you get that “Rocky Mountain” feeling in the Presidentials? 00:40:48 – Have you considered the PCT? 00:42:50 – Tell us about the Underground Railroad Bike Route! 00:46:30 – Could you stay in the same places people did when they were on the Underground Railroad? 00:47:07 – Does the UGRR have anything like Guthook? 00:47:49 – Did you see any other thru-bikers? Did you YouTube this journey? 00:49:37 – Can you compare thru-hiking to thru-biking? 00:51:05 – How long did it take to thru-bike the UGRR? 00:51:25 – Did you take special precautions to protect your bike? 00:52:19 – Were you able to leverage your YouTube channel to get sponsorships? 00:53:21 – What was your “bike first aid kit”? 00:54:44 – How long does it take for your ass to adjust to biking for that long? 00:56:35 – Any advice for someone who has never bike packed before? 00:59:41 – Tell us about The Great Outdoors Challenge! 01:01:00 – How was your reception in Scotland vs. the Appalachians? 01:02:29 – Did you see a lot of gingers? 01:02:40 – Tell us about the pub scene! 01:03:09 – How long were you in Scotland? 01:04:49 – If you had to pick between adventurer and thru-hiker what would it be? 01:08:39 – Can you give us some Camino Norte highlights? 01:11:20 – Is it true that your admission to hostels covers wine as well? 01:11:46 – Did you do the Camino solo? 01:12:31 – Preference for hiking in the US vs. internationally? 01:13:40 – How does walking through places with a lot of history impact you or your hike? 01:15:00 – What hikes are next on your radar? 01:18:20 – Can you tell us about the Groundskeepers program? 01:20:15 – Pointers on getting sponsorships? 01:21:40 – Paying for fathers to get pedicures? 01:23:59 - Differentiating between content for YouTube and Instagram? 01:25:55 - Can you talk about how recent shifts have affected you? Any advice for thru-hikers? 01:28:37 - Your pants? 01:31:10 - When are you going to buy a bunch of land and start a commune? 01:33:33 - Best Poke Stop on the AT? 01:34:41 - Favorite food on trail? What will you never eat again? 01:35:43 - How often do people reach out from the internet to meet up? 01:37:33 - Parting words? Segments The Trek Propaganda "Senate Passes Great American Outdoors Act" by Maggie Slepian Triple Crown of Summer Wins Mail Bag 5 Star Reviews Backcountry Matchmaking Jessika “Taps” | @tapsandtrail Eric “Rocketman” | @rustyrushton @rocketman_pct_2019 Sierra “Sudsie” | @sudsie.p New Shirts? Here are the old ones. What segments do you like? [divider] Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Stitcher and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Christopher Marshburn, Janelle L, Paul Packman Sealy, S11N, Sawyer Products, and Thomas Fullner A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jacob Northrup, Jason Lawrence, Jeff LaFranier, Jeffrey Miller, Mark Snook, Mitchell, Peter, Peter Ellenberg, and Zoe Jenkins Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, Elise and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek, Chaunce and Elise on YouTube.
122 minutes | 5 months ago
#74 | Jamey Mossengren aka "The Unicycling Unicorn"
In today's episode -we are back to recording in person(!)- and joined by Jamey Mossengren, also known as The Unicycling Unicorn. Jamey traded in his cushy 9-5 job to pursue the glamorous lifestyle of a street performer, and hasn't looked back since. Not only does Jamey make a living by putting on unicycle shows, he's also unicycled both the Colorado Trail and Arizona Trail! We talk about these very unique trips, his thru-hikes of the AT and Camino del Norte, and what goes into being a successful street performer- for which, we got a personal show after the interview. We also talk about the return of AT thru-hikes in 2020 (maybe), we introduce a new segment- Hiker's Horoscopes, and close out the show with another edition of Backcountry Matchmaking. [divider] Backcountry.com discount code: Use code: Backpacker15 to save 15% on your first purchase from Backcountry.com/backpackerradio Zpacks discount code:Use code: HEXAMIDBPR for $25 discount at Zpacks.com [divider] The Trek's Pledge to Do Better BACKPACKER RADIO MERCH Interview with Jamey Mossengren "The Unicycling Unicorn Website Instagram Twitter Youtube QOTD: How are your summer backpacking plans shaping up? Hikerlink! Intro Song: Walking Slow by Animal Years Intro beats: Pauly Boy Shallcross Check out Trail Correspondents Check out The Attempt! The Trek's store [divider] 00:00:00 – Intro to Jamey Mossengren – The Unicycling Unicorn 00:04:00 – Backpacker Radio is back in person and it is _________ 00:06:00 – QOTD: How are your summer backpacking plans shaping up? 00:10:00 – Jamey, the Unicycling Unicorn 00:10:31 – Do you know how many people make a living on a unicycle? 00:12:20 – Did competing with your brother motivate you to be better at unicycling? 00:12:40 – How did you make unicycling a career? 00:15:00 – What goes into the performing side of a street performance? 00:15:45 – Examples of what does and doesn’t work in street performing? 00:16:20 – Do you do a lot of crowd work? 00:16:48 – Have you thought about doing a show at protests? 00:17:40 – Did you pick other performer’s brains to see what they were doing? 00:18:17 – Do you write out sets? 00:18:38 – What encompasses/started the Unicorn? 00:19:45 – What are the costume pieces of the Unicycling Unicorn? 00:20:44 – What was your first long outdoors feat? 00:21:35 – How do you mountain unicycle the Colorado Trail?? 00:22:21 – Do you ride or walk up big climbs? 00:23:26 – Backpacker Radio crossed paths with Jamey Mossengren? 00:24:51 – How long did it take to mountain unicycle the Colorado Trail? 00:25:00 – How much did your gear weigh? 00:25:40 – Did you get a lot of media attention for the hike? 00:26:00 – Did the backcountry give you good ideas for your act? 00:26:28 – What was your next trail? 00:28:18 – Did you have any nasty falls? 00:29:40 – How does the comfort of a unicycle compare to a bike? 00:30:25 – Are there any standard unicycle issues? 00:30:50 – How did you like hiking (on the SHT) compared to unicycling? 00:31:34 – How long is the Superior Hiking Trail? 00:32:00 – how did you pick the Superior Hiking Trail? 00:33:41 – What’s next? Arizona Trial on a unicycle? 00:34:04 – Where do you meet other unicyclists to thru-unicycle the Arizona Trail? 00:35:00 – What is it like unicycling in a group? 00:35:30 – Differences between unicycling the Colorado and Arizona Trail? 00:36:00 – How much does your unicycle weigh? 00:40:00 – Does your performance experience help when trespassing? 00:41:00 – What is the argument for a unicycle being considered a pedestrian? 00:42:05 – What’s next? Appalachian Trail? 00:42:45 – Why another hiking trail and not a unicycling trail? 00:44:30 – Any AT highlights? 00:48:15 – What about lowlights? 00:51:23 – Shitting? 00:53:25 – Burned down bar? 00:56:23 – Hiker meet up at a Cracker Barrel? 00:58:30 – Sex on the Camino del Norte? 00:59:20 – Any good trail sex stories? 01:01:00 – Untapped 5,000 beers? 01:03:01 – Your next muni-pack? 01:04:05 – Preparation for the Oregon Timber Trail? 01:05:30 – In which direction of the PCT is the OTT? 01:08:40 – Are you less afraid of rattlesnakes on a unicycle? 01:09:45 – How long have you been doing van life? 01:10:14 – Tell us about doing your performances in different continents? 01:11:11 – You perform in Australia as well? 01:11:44 – Do you build the vans out yourself? 01:12:25 – Have you thought about doing stuff on Tik Tok? 01:16:30 – Do you think you could chug a beer while riding your unicycle and juggling two other beers? 01:17:08- Do you ever aspire to snag unicycling records? 01:18:25 – Have you ever unicycled on a tight rope? 01:19:14 – What are the fan favorite tricks? 01:21:11 – Unicycling Unicorn – he’s single, find him on the socials Segments The Trek Propaganda! ATC is likely to recommend AT thru-hikes soon, by Hugh Owen CDTC article Virtually Hiking the AT: Hitting Some Snafus Pupdate! Episode Horoscopes: Know Your Stars Mail Bag 5 Star Reviews Backcountry Matchmaking Paige Pasquini | Instagram: @paigepasquini Cris “Indiana Bones” | Instagram: @cris.on.a.boat, email: email@example.com Taryn | Instagram: @Tarynwem, Facebook: Taryn Wem [divider] Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Stitcher and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Christopher Marshburn, Janelle L, Paul Packman Sealy, S11N, Sawyer Products, and Thomas Fullner A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jacob Northrup, Jason Lawrence, Jeff LaFranier, Jeffrey Miller, Mark Snook, Mitchell, Peter, Peter Ellenberg, and Zoe Jenkins Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio, and Chaunce on Facebook. Follow The Trek on Twitter and sign up for our newsletter. Buy Chaunce's Book on Amazon. Get a free account at Hikerlink.
119 minutes | 5 months ago
#73 | Doug Laher and Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit (RMRU)
Today, we are joined by Doug Laher, the father of Trevor Laher, the hiker who tragically passed near Apache Peak on the Pacific Crest Trail earlier this year. Doug reads his beautiful tribute to Trevor, we talk about what lessons are to be learned from Trevors passing, and what can be done to prevent further tragedy on this dangerous stretch of the PCT. We also chat with Kaitlyn Purington, a volunteer and the PR rep at the Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit, a rescue non-profit based in Riverside County. She walks us through what the organization does exactly, requirements for getting involved, and some examples of standout rescue missions from the last couple of years. We close out the show with some Trek Propaganda, how to check your bung for deer ticks, and our favorite creature comforts. Backcountry.com discount code: Use code: Backpacker15 to save 15% on your first purchase from Backcountry.com/backpackerradio Zpacks discount code:Use code: HEXAMIDBPR for $25 discount at Zpacks.com [divider] The Trek's Pledge to Do Better BACKPACKER RADIO MERCH Interview with Doug Laher, Trevor Laher's Father and Kaitlyn Purington from Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit Trevor's Eternal Trail Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit Hikerlink! Intro Song: Walking Slow by Animal Years Intro beats: Pauly Boy Shallcross Check out Trail Correspondents Check out The Attempt! [divider] Doug Laher, father of late Trevor Laher 00:03:55 – Doug reads his article about Trevor 00:26:40 – The Article was written six weeks ago, what has happened since then? 00:28:00 – The intentions behind telling Trevor’s story 00:29:20 – How are you doing now? 00:31:34 – What do you want people to take away from Trevor’s story? How do we carry on his legacy? 00:35:25 – Any advice or words of wisdom for parents of aspiring thru-hikers? 00:38:30 – Possibility of reworking the trail at Apache Peak? 00:39:30 – Guthook put a warning in Trevor’s honor 00:46:10 – Can you tell us about the fundraiser you did with RMRU? 00:49:00 – The Trek readers donated roughly $5,000 to RMRU 00:50:30 – You can donate to RMRU here 00:55:20 – Circus and Snapshot made a memorial to Trevor 01:00:26 – Two rescuers retrieved all of Trevor’s belongings 01:07:40 – “You’ve got one fucking life, you better live that shit.” - IBTAT Kaitlyn Perington of RMRU 01:11:00 – Can you tell us about RMRU? 01:12:20 – Is there an area that requires the majority of RMRU’s rescue missions? 01:12:55 – Is there a busier season? 01:13:26 – How many calls do you usually get from PCT hikers? 01:13:44 – How did you specifically get involved with RMRU? 01:14:35 – What was the process like for becoming a volunteer? 01:16:30 - Are there specific requirements for joining the unit? 01:18:00 – What skills/training/certifications are people required to have? 01:19:30 – How does a shift work? 01:20:30 – Is there a certain number of people you need for a mission? 01:21:50 – How has coronavirus impacted SAR? 01:23:49 – Would you still do mouth-to-mouth during COVID? 01:24:34 – How many missions do you do per year? 01:24:56 – Is there one mission you were involved with that stands out to you? 01:29:17 – Does it frustrate you when people are unprepared? 01:13:51 – Do you ever get frequent callers? 01:33:30 – If you keep getting repeat places you’re called back to, can you put a sign in a specific spot? 01:34:30 – What kind of funds are required to keep RMRU going? 01:37:10 – Aside from monetary donations are there things RMRU could use gear wise? 01:38:20 – donate at RMRU.org SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda – Effie Drew’s “Changing the Narrative and Amplifying Voices: Resources for Education and Inclusivity in the Outdoor Industry” Mail Bag Favorite lightweight entertainment / creature comforts on trail [divider] Have any praise, questions, praise, comments, praise or praise for Backpacker Radio? Reach out to firstname.lastname@example.org. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Stitcher and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Christopher Marshburn, Janelle L, Paul Packman Sealy, S11N, Sawyer Products, and Thomas Fullner A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jacob Northrup, Jason Lawrence, Jeff LaFranier, Jeffrey Miller, Mark Snook, Mitchell, Peter, Peter Ellenberg, and Zoe Jenkins Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio, and Chaunce on Facebook. Follow The Trek on Twitter and sign up for our newsletter. Buy Chaunce's Book on Amazon. Get a free account at Hikerlink.
180 minutes | 5 months ago
#72 | Luke "Strider" Jordan on the North Country Trail and Great Plains Trail
Today we are joined by Luke “Strider” Jordan. Strider has a couple of very impressive treks on his resume including the North Country Trail (NCT), which is more than twice the length of the Appalachian Trail, as well as the 3,100 mile Great Plains Trail (GPT), which runs from Texas to North Dakota. We also discover the wild world of naked pooping, a fan-submitted poop paradise on the John Muir Trail, and another edition of Backcountry Matchmaking. [divider] Listen Download this episode. [divider] The Trek's Pledge to Do Better BACKPACKER RADIO MERCH Interview with Luke Jordan "Strider" Facebook North Country Trail Great Plains Trail QOTD: “What is the proper poop dress code?" Hikerlink! Intro Song: Walking Slow by Animal Years Intro beats: Pauly Boy Shallcross Check out Trail Correspondents Check out The Attempt! [divider] 00:02:00 – Gardening Updates! 00:04:18 – QOTD: What is the proper poop dress code? 00:10:00 – BPR Merch! 00:12:11 – Intro to Strider (Has hiked the North Country Trail and the Great Plains Trail) 00:12:47 – Where does your interest in backpacking come from? 00:17:30 – Did you have any mentors that told you how crazy it was to start with the NCT? 00:19:24 – How road walks affect the NCT. 00:20:40 – Where the NCT goes! 00:21:30 – Mosquitoes in the upper peninsula 00:27:09 – Support for the North Dakota section 00:30:15 – Inspiration from Andrew Skurka and Nimblewill Nomad 00:31:15 – “We Build Trail in Low Places” – NCT music video on vimeo 00:32:59 – Did Strider meet all 8 people who live in North Dakota? 00:34:40 – Is Strider affiliated with the NCT? 00:36:15 – How big is the non-profit team at the NCT? 00:38:08 – Plans to move the road walks to trail? 00:41:40 – Snow in Minnesota 00:49:39 – Patent Pending: A Dinner Knife that Attaches to Your Shoe to Make Ice Skates 00:58:18 – Any issues with deer ticks/ticks in general? 01:02:45 – What's it like having celebrity status as a thru-hiker on a less travelled trail? 01:07:30 – Ohio and the Buckeye Trail 01:15:00 – Blazes in the NCT Backcountry 01:17:13 – Hiking with maps instead of a smart phone 01:17:40 – How many people have thru-hiked the NCT? 01:19:00 – Stopping his trans-Ozark trail 01:22:00 – Hundreds of tiny ticks in Strider’s ankles 01:28:11 – How is New York? 01:31:30 – Could you do the Finger Lakes section as a wine hike? 01:40:08 – Strider met Ron Strickland 01:44:00 – James Lunning did 5 scenic trails back to back 01:46:10 – Is Strider the only person to have thru-hiked the Great Plains Trail? 01:54:00 – Starting in the desert was a new experience 01:57:30 – You need a support crew to get through New Mexico 01:59:00 – What is there to look forward to walking through Kansas? 02:00:00 – What is the wind like? 02:06:00 – Have you done the cave tours in Wind Cave National Park? 02:23:30 – If you want ______ you should hike the Great Plains Trail 02:25:00 – Where should people go to help out with the NCT or GPT? SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda: The Ultimate Guide to Backpacking Sleeping Bags and Quilts by Kelly Floro A Complete Guide to Resupply on the John Muir Trail by Inga Aksamit Pupdate: Harper is Huge and Misbehaving Triple Crown of Things That Make You Uneasy (?) Mail Bag! 5 Star Review Backcountry Matchmaking: Jeff aka "Chef Boy R.D.": @Pieceof_jake Kate "Stickerz": @katieb3th11 Buckeye: @therealjyoungs Buy Chaunce's book! Find Strider on Facebook: @StriderNCT [divider] Have any praise, questions, praise, comments, praise or praise for Backpacker Radio? Reach out to email@example.com. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Stitcher and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Christopher Marshburn, Janelle L, S11N, Sawyer Products, and Thomas Fullner A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdwallet, Jacob Northrup, Jason Lawrence, Jeff LaFranier, Jeffrey Miller, Mark Snook, Mitchell, Peter, Peter Ellenberg, Zoe Jenkins Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio, and Chaunce on Facebook. Follow The Trek on Twitter and sign up for our newsletter.
169 minutes | 6 months ago
#71 | Sarah Jones Decker on Appalachian Trail Shelters
In today's episode of Backpacker Radio, presented by The Trek, we are joined by Sarah Jones Decker, author of the new gorgeous photobook "The Appalachian Trail: Backcountry Shelters, Lean-tos, and Huts". We learn what goes into a project as massive as doing a photo essay of all of the AT's shelters, Sarah's personal favorites, the history of these structures, which have the best privies, and much more. Sarah is also the co-owner of Root Bottom Farms, an organic farm based in North Carolina, and we selfishly pick her brain on how to suck less as plants. We close out the show with a triple crown of things that start with "W", a pupdate, some suggestions for using trail runners on rocky terrain, and another edition of Backcountry Matchmaking. BACKPACKER RADIO MERCH Interview with Sarah Jones Decker "Harvest" Website Rottbottom Farm Website AT Shelter Book Instagram QOTD: “Why is it so hard to keep houseplants alive?" Save 15% at GossamerGear.com by using code "ATDRINK15" at checkout. Save 5% at Zpacks.com by using code “THANKSZACH” at checkout. Hikerlink! Backpacker Radio Merch! Intro Song: Walking Slow by Animal Years Intro beats: Pauly Boy Shallcross Check out Trail Correspondents Check out The Attempt! [divider] 00:03:00 - Sarah’s Backpacking Resume 00:04:00 - Sarah has hiked the AT twice! 00:05:15 - Differences on the AT in 2008 vs. 2018-2019? 00:07:37 - What was your inspiration to thru-hike the AT? 00:08:25 - Are thru-hikers now the same as when you were 16? 00:08:50 - What is your educational background? 00:10:37 - Give us the intro to your AT Shelters book! 00:13:00 - Have you always been into history? 00:14:00 - How did you document while hiking? 00:14:38 - What are the most inconvenient shelters to get to? 00:18:40 - Is breastfeeding ever an issue on trail? 00:19:30 - When did the initial shelter book idea come to you? 00:20:00 - Did you fall into any type of routine? 00:21:00 - Additional contributors 00:23:00 - Elevator Pitch of AT shelters 00:26:34 - How many shelters can you get pizza delivered to? 00:31:00 - Camera Gear Setup 00:32:55 - What’s your favorite shelter? 00:37:47 - What’s the most underrated shelter? 00:40:00 - Double Shelters 00:45:00 - What shelter has the most history? 00:47:00 - What is it like to release a book during a pandemic? 00:48:00 - How many events did you have to cancel? 00:49:15 - What is the oldest shelter? 00:54:09 - What’s the biggest shelter? 00:54:54 - Which shelter has the best view? 00:57:00 - Conflicting Information 00:58:50 - Best Privy on the AT? 01:07:20 - One shelter you wouldn’t sleep in?01:11:57 - What shelter has the best water source? 01:14:33 - What is the Priest shelter? 01:15:03 - Top tips for trail shelter etiquette 01:17:27 - The Shelter Graveyard 01:18:20 - The Only Shelter That Was Ever Stolen 01:19:20 - Tips for people who want to pitch a book to the ATC? 01:30:12 - Someone had a baby in her house and lied about it 01:33:18 - What tips do you have for starting photographers? 01:36:30 - You are a mom? 01:37:50 - Carrying a baby 01:39:54 - How does hiking change with a child? 01:41:38 - What about Falling with a baby? 01:43:17 - Advice for hiking with a baby? 01:45:17 - How do you manage diapers while hiking? 01:46:29 - Tell us about your poster of 444 different AT signs? 01:47:35 - The AT poster 01:50:25 - Can we talk about gardening? Introduction to Rootbottom Farm. 01:54:20 - What’s killing our plants?? 01:56:30 - Tricks for a Fiddle Leaf Fig? 02:01:03 - Which plants are friends? 02:02:30 - 101 for starting a raised bed garden? 02:07:33 - Can you tell us about microgreens? 02:16:00 - Where to find Sarah? SEGMENTS 02:17:00 - Triple Crown of things that start with W. 02:23:42 - Pupdates 02:31:20 - Did Chaunce watch the Last Dance? 02:32:50 - Mail Bag 02:37:28 - 5 Star Review 02:39:29 - Stickers? 02:40:26 - Backcountry Matchmaking Katie, @katiecoryell Ross, @Ross_Berry Debi, Email: firstname.lastname@example.org Instagram: @Bluemoonrising2021, or Facebook: Debi Rodriguez (BlueMoon). Have any praise, questions, praise, comments, praise or praise for Backpacker Radio? Reach out to email@example.com. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Stitcher and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Christopher Marshburn, ineedcoffee 17, S11N, Sawyer Products, and Thomas Fullner. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdwallet, Jacob Northrup, Jason Lawrence, Jeff LaFranier, Jeffrey Miller, Mark Snook, Mitchell, Peter, Peter Ellenberg, Zoe Jenkins Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio, and Chaunce on Facebook. Follow The Trek on Twitter and sign up for our newsletter.
182 minutes | 6 months ago
#70 | Sean "Shug" Emery on Hammock Camping and Life as a Circus Clown and
Today we are joined by Shug Emery. In addition to being a hammock enthusiast, with almost 100,000 YouTube subscribers, Shug's previous profession was as a circus clown for Barnum and Bailey. We obviously go way down the traveling circus rabbit hole, and we promise you his stories do not disappoint. Shug also shares his top tips for beginning hammockers, what his setup looks like, and what goes into making a successful YouTube channel. We close out the show with some Trek propaganda, a triple crown of things we will no longer take for granted, and, another edition of backcountry matchmaking. Interview with Sean "Shug" Emery YouTube: ShugEmery QOTD: “What's the one thing you've learned about yourself during this pandemic?" Save 15% at GossamerGear.com by using code "ATDRINK15" at checkout. Save 5% at Zpacks.com by using code “THANKSZACH” at checkout. Hikerlink! Intro Song: Walking Slow by Animal Years Intro beats: Pauly Boy Shallcross Check out Trail Correspondents Check out The Attempt! [divider] 00:03:00 - Chaunce is BORED 00:08:45 - Zach doesn’t like pandemics. 00:09:06 - Interview with (and intro of) Shug (Sean Emery)! 00:10:42 - How Shug got started as a clown 00:12:20 - Clown College is competitive! 00:18:08 - Clown College Know-It-Alls 00:20:10 - Stories from the Circus 00:25:40 - How many days a week is the circus? Do you get time off? 00:28:06 - Spotlight guys always know where the good weed and food is! 00:28:48 - Is there a hierarchy in the circus? 00:33:20 - Why do people get into clowning? It’s not for the pay, so what’s the draw? 00:41:30 - What was your clown name? 00:43:20 - Where did the name Shug come from? 00:48:55 - What are the top skills for becoming a great clown? 00:53:08 - You went on to do a solo clown show? 00:59:00 - At the end of Clown College you get selected for contracts, and not everyone goes! 01:07:20 - Any circus secrets you can reveal? 01:14:10 - Why do you hammock? 01:16:07 - What is your backpacking background? 01:23:11 - If someone had a free week, what would you recommend for the Boundary Waters? 01:26:22 - Why hammock over tenting? 01:29:51 - What should someone look for in a good hammock? 01:35:16 - What is a good hammock hang vs. a bad hammock hang? 01:45:26 - Is Minnesota a wet state? 1:46:30 - What’s your setup on a -40 night? 01:48:28 - Advice from someone in your age range (early 60’s) who wants to start backpacking? 01:52:30 - Shug does art, too! 01:59:08 - Putting out content is hard! 2:00:20 - Any parting advice? 02:15:00 - Find Shug on YouTube SEGMENTS 02:18:30 - Trek Propaganda 02:19:30 - Triple Crown of Things We Took For Granted! 02:30:22 - Did Chaunce watch the last dance? 02:31:57 - Things that aren’t Coronavirus 02:33:15 - Zach has never heard of cookie cake?? 02:37:00 - Pupdates (also a poop story) 02:44:50 - Mail Bag 02:48:08 - Backcountry Matchmaking! Contestants: Kyle "Birdman"'s Instagram: @kylecwicks Lauren's Instagram: @xlaurenx04 Joe's Email: firstname.lastname@example.org 02:57:11 - 5 Star Reviews! [divider] Have any praise, questions, praise, comments, praise or praise for Backpacker Radio? Reach out to email@example.com. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Stitcher and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Christopher Marshburn (who got us that awesome Katahdin sign from TrailSigns), ineedcoffee 17, S11N, Sawyer Products, and Thomas Fullner A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: dcnerdlet, Jacob Norhtrup, Jeff LaFranier, Mark Snook, Peter, Peter Ellenberg, Zoe Jenkins. Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio, and Chaunce on Facebook. Follow The Trek on Twitter and sign up for our newsletter.
174 minutes | 7 months ago
#69 | Will "Akuna" Robinson
In episode 69, we are joined by Will Robinson, AKA Akuna. Akuna is an army veteran, the first known African-American male to complete the triple crown, and an all around awesome guy. We talk about his experiences in managing chronic pain, how hiking interfaced with his PTSD, what it's like hiking through rural America as a black man with dreadlocks, and some of the highlights and lowlights of each of his thru-hikes. We also have some listener emails, we learn how people are keeping busy during the apocalypse, and introduce a new segment, Backcountry Matchmaking- our new on-air dating service. Giggity. Interview with Will "Akuna" Robinson Instagram: @AkunaHikes QOTD: “Do dogs know what other dogs are saying when they bark or because they don’t “learn” a language does it all just sound like babbling? Save 15% at GossamerGear.com by using code "ATDRINK15" at checkout. Hikerlink! Intro Song: Walking Slow by Animal Years Intro beats: Pauly Boy Shallcross Check out Trail Correspondents Check out The Attempt! [divider] 00:04:30 - Meet Will “Akuna” Robinson and learn how he got started in hiking 00:05:44 - How he ended up on the PCT 00:06:30 - The closest long trail to Akuna in Louisiana 00:07:11 - How did growing up in New Orleans make you resilient? 00:08:42 - How did you end up in the military? 00:11:18 - Did your academic achievements have any bearing on your military experience? 00:12:40 - His Job in the Military (and how that became an electrical engineering degree) 00:14:00 - What was it like coming home from the military? 00:15:30 - Was PTSD treatment helpful? 00:16:20 - What are your injuries from the military? And how does that affect your backpacking? 00:19:00 - Healing through thru-hiking 00:24:50 - Why doesn’t the military talk more about mental health? 00:26:40 - Barriers to unorthodox treatments 00:27:37 - People thinking of long-distance backpacking with chronic pain 00:32:45 - Did you have to deal with withdrawals? 00:33:57 - Does backpacking alleviate pain? Or distract from it? 00:34:51 - Having flashbacks on trail 00:38:16 - Does your hiking family know about your flashbacks? Can they help in any way? What is the right way to help? 00:41:45 - How the thru-hiking community deals with mental health issues 00:45:00 - How Akuna Ended up on the PCT 00:49:00 - Tell us about your first PCT hike 00:51:00 - Akuna dislocates his knee on Mt.Whitney 00:54:00 - What was 2017 like on the PCT? 00:56:35 - Triple digit temperatures are no problem for Akuna 00:57:50 - How did you get your trail name on the PCT? 00:59:30 - Tell us about your 2017 Sierra experience 01:06:01 - Do you crave life-fearing moments? 01:10:00 - Akuna Hated the AT (at first) 01:15:19 - What is it like hiking the AT as an African American? 01:22:23 - Did you notice a difference in the way you were treated between the AT, PCT, and CDT? 01:26:00 - How does your trail family react when people are racist? 01:30:30 - Do you have any advice for Afircan Americans thinking about thru-hiking? 01:31:15 - Any advice for how the hiking community can help make thru-hiking more welcoming and inclusive? 01:32:00 - Notable AT moments 01:37:40 - Akuna’s AT Merrel Film & Akuna’s CDT Merrel Film 01:41:30 - Akuna’s CDT Hike 01:46:40 - The brutality of the CDT 01:48:15 - Gnarly weather on the CDT, PCT, and AT 01:50:25 - Falling in the Gila River on the CDT 01:55:05 - Akuna and Undecided almost get arrested 02:00:00 - How does it feel to be the first African American man known to finish the triple crown? 02:04:00 - Akuna’s postponed North Country Trail thru-hike 02:11:30 - Any plans for later this year if things clear up? 02:15:30 - Where to find Akuna: @AkunaHikes 02:17:11 - NZ borders closed for an entire year. SEGMENTS 02:18:10 - The Trek Propaganda: Clay Bonnyman Evans reviews Chaunce’s Book 02:19:00 - Mail Bag! 02:20:00 - Things people are doing to stay sane during quarantine 02:26:30 - Akuna weighs in on if Carol Baskin killed her husband 02:28:07 - Pupdates from Chuance: Harper is Getting Crate Trained 02:36:38 - Five Star Reviews: Poop Stories and Horse Facts (& Impromptu Gear Reviews) 02:45:00 - Backcountry Matchmaking: Zach “Beta” Terpstra, Emily Mydlowski, Erica “Spitfire” [divider] Have any praise, questions, praise, comments, praise or praise for Backpacker Radio? Reach out to firstname.lastname@example.org. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Stitcher and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Christopher Marshburn (who got us that awesome Katahdin sign from TrailSigns), ineedcoffee 17, S11N, Sawyer Products, and Thomas Fullner A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: dcnerdlet, Jacob Norhtrup, Jeff LaFranier, Mark Snook, Peter, Peter Ellenberg, Zoe Jenkins. Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio, and Chaunce on Facebook. Follow The Trek on Twitter and sign up for our newsletter.
92 minutes | 7 months ago
#68 | Jean Muenchrath on Her Near Death Experience in the High Sierra
Today we are joined by Jean Muenchrath, mountaineer, escaper of death, author, and spiritual being. Simply put, Jean's story is remarkable. Jean gives us a play by play of the time she nearly died after catastrophic fall near Mt Whitney in winter conditions. She walks us through not only this harrowing tale, but the long process to physical, emotional, and spiritual recovery, the subject of her book If I Live Until Morning: A True Story of Adventure, Tragedy and Transformation. Chaunce and Badger wrap up the show with some listener emails, Poop Stories, and a new segment One Line Movie Reviews. This is our last in-person podcast until the apocalypse blows over, so please do savor the flavor of this one. Interview with Jean Muenchrath Her book: If I Live Until Morning: A True Story of Adventure, Tragedy and Transformation QOTD: What is your least favorite animal? Save 10% at AppalachianGearCompany.com by using code "BACKPACKERRADIO" at checkout. Save 5% at Zpacks.com by using code "THANKSZACH" at checkout. Hikerlink! Intro Song: Walking Slow by Animal Years Intro beats: Pauly Boy Shallcross Check out Trail Correspondents Check out The Attempt! [divider] Interview with Jean Muenchrath 00:03:14 - QOTD: What is your least favorite animal? 00:05:18 - Intro to Jean (backpacking, mountaineering, and skiing background) 00:08:50 - The Cross Country John Muir Trail Ski Expedition 00:10:16 - Muenchrath’s Backpacking Experience 00:11:12 - How did Ken and Jean meet? 00:14:14 - How many miles were you doing per day (during the XC JMT Ski Expedition)? 00:15:10 - Going up Mt.Whitney 00:18:22 - Ken goes sledding down the mountain all of a sudden 00:24:00 - The Fall on Mt.Whitney 00:30:00 - Jean’s Extensive Injuries 00:32:40 - After the Fall (Jean Woke Up The Next Morning) 00:34:25 - A Detailed List of Jean’s Injuries 00:36:40 - Getting Out 00:39:40 - Getting a Ride to the Hospital 00:42:00 Jean Had a Bad Feeling Before Leaving 00:43:40 - If you could do it again, would you? 00:49:00 - Jean’s Journal 00:51:25 - How did Jean and Paul meet? 00:53:00 - The Second Half of Jean’s Book 00:54:00 - The Himalayas 00:58:20 - Returning to Asia 00:59:30 - Have you always been a spiritual person? 01:02:40 - Jean’s Spiritual Transition 01:05:00 - Opioid Withdrawals 01:12:45 - Getting Started with Meditation 01:14:10 - Final Thoughts? SEGMENTS: 01:17:00 - Sign up for Hikerlink! 01:17:40 - Trek propaganda - Kelly Floro - How to Choose the Proper Rain Gear For Your Hike 01:18:20 - One sentence movie plots 01:26:00 - Mail Bag 01:29:37 - Buy Chaunce’s book (on her website or from Amazon)!! [divider] Have any praise, questions, praise, comments, praise or praise for Backpacker Radio? Reach out to email@example.com. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Stitcher and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Cristopher Marshburn, ineedcoffee17, S11N, Sawyer Products, and Thomas Fullner A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: dcnerdlet, Jacob Norhtrup, Jeff LaFranier, Mark Snook, Peter, Peter Ellenberg, Zoe Jenkins. Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio, and Chaunce on Facebook. Follow The Trek on Twitter and sign up for our newsletter.
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