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Aider and Abettor Podcast
64 minutes | Oct 14, 2020
On this episode of the pod, we talk all about Proposition 25 and what pretrial justice would look like in a Prop. 25 world. To do this, we get together with Carlie Ware (@carlieware11) and Carson White. Carlie and Carson specialize in pretrial release advocacy and pre-arraignment representation. Omniboi composed the intro and outro for this pod. Send us your thoughts on Prop. 25 (@thesajidkhan @avanindar @aiderandabettor)
47 minutes | Sep 19, 2020
Racial Justice Act with Ash Kalra
In this episode, Sajid and guest host Sarah Ruby (fellow pd out of San Jose) interview Assemblymember Ash Kalra (twitter @ash_kalra) about the Racial Justice Act (https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB2542) https://sanjosespotlight.com/san-jose-legislators-racial-justice-act-passes-senate-committee/ The bill passed the legislature and is on Governor Newsom's desk. To support the AB 2542, write the governor, call in, or post to social media #2542 #confrontracism The intro and outro are by Omniboi. The break remix of this is america is also by Omniboi.
55 minutes | Aug 2, 2020
PD Eliza Orlins Running For Manhattan DA
Sajid and Avi meet with Eliza Orlins. Eliza has been a public defender in New York for around 10 years. She decided to run for District Attorney of Manhattan. They talk about what called her to the work and her decision to run for DA. Learn more about Eliza’s work and campaign here: https://twitter.com/elizaorlins Omniboi composed and performed the intro, outro, and break remix.
71 minutes | Jul 21, 2020
Double Crossover: Pod With SF DA Boudin And Rachel Marshall from Chasing Justice
“For the People”: Finding the Humanity in Our Criminal Legal System with Sajid Khan and Avi Singh: In this crossover episode with the cohosts of Aider and Abettor podcast, Bay Area public defenders Avi Singh and Sajid Khan join DA Boudin and Rachel to examine what it means when a prosecutor represents “the people.” The group asks who are the people represented by the system at each stage and is the system really serving them? How can the system better recognize the humanity of defendants and victims? They also explore whether lawyers working in the system should find more collaboration in an adversarial system. The discussion walks through various stages of the criminal legal system (from charging, bail, plea bargains, trials, through sentencing) and reimagines all the ways in which the system should honor the humanity of the people touched by it but too often denies it. Finally, Avi leads DA Boudin, Rachel and Sajid in a “lightning round” of questions submitted by Aider and Abettor fans.
48 minutes | Jul 9, 2020
It's a Crossover
Sajid joined Another Not Guilty Pod (David Moore and Nikhil Ramnaney) for a two-part interview. Part 1 is about what happened when Sajid wrote a blog post calling for civil rights protesters to look at what District Attorneys have done to contribute to the system of mass incarceration and abusive police practices. Part 2 will come out next week. Sajid will debrief on a homicide trial with David and Nikhil. You can check out and support their excellent work here: https://www.anothernotguiltypod.com/ We are grateful to ANG for the collab. Here is the post (as published in San Jose Inside): https://www.sanjoseinside.com/opinion/op-ed-be-mad-at-police-but-also-at-the-prosecutors-who-protect-and-enable-their-abuses/ Here is an op-ed by Sajid in the Mercury News calling on implementation of reforms now: https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/16/opinion-da-shouldnt-wait-to-implement-reforms/ Here is coverage of the situation in San Jose Inside, including a letter from 650 public defenders around the nation speaking out against practices designed to chill criminal reform speech: https://www.sanjoseinside.com/opinion/letter-650-public-defenders-stand-behind-sajid-khan/ Here is a letter issued by CAIR: https://ca.cair.com/sfba/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/DA-Rosen-Letter-06.23.20.pdf Here is a story in the San Jose Mercury News about Jeff Rosen's decision to withdraw his complaint in response to the backlash: https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/23/district-attorney-backs-off-whistleblower-claim-against-line-level-public-defender/ Here is a post Sajid wrote everything went down about what we need to do going forward: https://www.publicdefenders.us/blog_home.asp?Display=854
70 minutes | May 1, 2020
COVID Court Content Care
COVID: Courts, Content, Care Avi and Sajid talk about what defense practice looks like during the COVID-19 pandemic, including video arraignments in mostly empty courthouses. They also talk about the content that they have enjoyed consuming and self-care practices while sheltering in place. Lee Rosevere (@leeroservere) composed and performed the intro and outro of the pod. Omniboi (@omniboi) composed and performed the music during the breaks.
66 minutes | Mar 19, 2020
Social Distancing in Prison
Avi and Sajid discuss COVID-19 with Adnan Khan (!akhan1437). Adnan is the co-founder and executive director of Re:Store Justice (@restore_cal). Adnan was incarcerated at 18 for a felony murder conviction. He advocated for reform and was released after California largely abolished felony murder liability. They discuss COVID-19 from the perspective of people held in jails and prisons. Adnan describes the tension people face when seeking medical care means placement in solitary. He talks about how quarantines play out in terms of community access and proposes some solutions to promote good public health practices without resorting to isolation. They discuss COVID-19 in connection with mass incarceration and prison conditions. Adnan was featured on @earhustle. Check out the episode: https://www.earhustlesq.com/episodes/2018/3/14/firsts @LeeRosevere composed the intro and outro. @omniboi remixed Ms. Jackson and This is America (music @ the breaks). Note from Avi: The audio is a little weird on this one. My bad. We recorded from separate locations due to COVID-19 shelter in place and needed to experiment with a new set up. I decided to sit in the creakiest chair. I decided to put the pod out asap without doing much to fix the levels. For those who have to increase and then quickly decrease the volume, I see you...I am you. Believe me.
43 minutes | Mar 12, 2020
Hech Yea: PD Movement Building with Scott Hechinger
Scott Hechinger (@scotthech) joins Sajid (@thesajidkhan) and Avi (@avanindar) to talk about public defender movement building. @Scotthech talks about the Zealo.us, a project to train public defenders on movement building and media advocacy. They talk about the termination of two public defenders who filed an amicus brief in support of providing counsel to people at the first court appearance. They talk about the movement that formed in response to the terminations and the larger fight for public defender independence in the US. Scott shares some of his thoughts on some areas for advocacy on behalf of incarcerated people during a pandemic. Lee Rosevere composed and performed the intro and outro of the pod. Music at the break by Are We Hunting (Ryan Perrault is a member of the band and fellow public defender). Check out the whole song at the end of the pod. They have a Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/arewehunting To learn more about what is happening in MontCo, check out this article in The Appeal by Vaidya Gullapalli: https://theappeal.org/public-defenders-have-an-obligation-to-speak-out/ Here is the amicus brief: https://www.aclupa.org/sites/default/files/field_documents/bail_commission_amicus_montco_pd_2.3.20.pdf?utm_source=The+Appeal&utm_campaign=d63547ac79-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_08_09_04_14_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_72df992d84-d63547ac79-58408851 Here is an ACLU petition to support Dean Beer and Keisha Hudson (@khudsonpdlife)
37 minutes | Jan 24, 2020
Informant Scandal in the OC
This episode is all about the Orange County Informant Scandal. Avi and Sajid talk with Somil Trivedi (@somilbtrivedi). Somil is a senior staff attorney with the ACLU’s Criminal Reform Project. They discuss what happened in Orange County, why it matters, how it was uncovered, and what happens next. You can find Somil’s bio here: https://www.aclu.org/news/by/somil-trivedi/ Somil referenced Scott Moxley’s reporting. Follow him on twitter @scottmoxley. On January 20, 2020 James Queally (@JamesqueallyLAT) and Melanie Mason (@melmason) reported on the California Department of Justice’s investigation. Here is the link: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-01-20/california-attorney-general-orange-county-jail-scandal-harris-becerra The story highlights the importance of the ACLU’s current litigation. Our intro and outro are by @LeeRosevere. The song at the break is Informer by Snow.
51 minutes | Dec 30, 2019
Avi and Sajid reflect on the year and talk through what’s next in the pod, criminal justice reform, and their public defense practices. They talk about notable episodes from 2019 and share ideas about what they hope to cover in 2020. They talk about accomplishments in criminal justice reform and what they hope to see change in 2020. In the last segment, they share how their approach to pd work has changed over the year and where they want it to go. Our intro and outro are by @LeeRosevere. Remix of This is America at the break by @omniboi.
65 minutes | Nov 1, 2019
Sajid and Avi sit down with Deputy Public Defender Perla Garcia. Perla spoke out about her experience coming to the US from Nicaragua when she was twelve with three younger brothers after the tragic deaths of Oscar Alberto Martinez and his 23-month-old daughter Angie Valeria. Perla describes her multiple attempts to get to the United States (she was twelve and had three younger siblings with her) and her path to public defense. Lee Rosevere composed the intro and outro. Music played during conversation composed by Omniboi, Lee Rosevere, Makiah Beats, Trizzy Track, and Ryan Little.
81 minutes | Sep 21, 2019
Live Pod with SF Public Defender Mano Raju
Avi and Sajid recorded a live show with SF Public Defender Mano Raju at Hastings College of Law in San Francisco. Mano talked about his background and path to public defense, his vision for the Public Defender’s Office in San Francisco, and where he believes the practice should and could go. Mano took audience questions. At the end of the pod, the three shared a thing. The event was sponsored by the South Asian Bar Association of Northern California, the Hastings Criminal Law Society, and the South Asian Law Student Association of Hastings. @leerosevere composed the intro and outro of the pod.
37 minutes | Jul 6, 2019
Avi and Sajid interview San Francisco Deputy Public Defender Chesa Boudin about his campaign for San Francisco District Attorney. They discuss Chesa's motivation for running and talk through some of his reform proposals. Learn more about Chesa's campaign here https://www.chesaboudin.com/ and https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/24/us/chesa-boudin-san-francisco-da.html Follow Chesa on Twitter @chesaboudin @leerosevere composed the intro and outro of the pod.
33 minutes | May 15, 2019
Haste Over Humanity
Sajid and Avi discuss the execution of Dominique Ray and the Supreme Court’s decision to lift a stay of execution despite religious discrimination. This one is from February. Lots of things have happened since the recording, including a stay of execution in the case of Patrick Murphy based on religious discrimination. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/28/us/politics/texas-execution-buddhist-inmate.html @leerosevere (intero/outro) and @omniboi (break) composed music played during the pod.
43 minutes | Mar 29, 2019
An Incomprehensible Series of Gross Mistakes
Avi and Sajid get back together with Marc Bookman from the Atlantic Center for Capital Representation. Marc talks about his work on behalf of Kareem Johnson. He gives an update on Ricky Olds (https://soundcloud.com/user-139217541/14-going-on-life-without-parole). They also get an update on Krasner’s work in Philadelphia. The Atlantic Center put out video on Ricky Olds. See it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XtySsPOP9w Marc refers to this article: https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/08/the-confessions-of-innocent-men/278363/ Music in this episode is composed by @leeroservere, @omniboi, and @ryanperreault (fellow public defender)
85 minutes | Mar 3, 2019
Bad Defense Bracket
This is The Bad Defense bracket. Avi and Sajid join public defenders Kristin Carter and Chris Givens to debate the worst defense attorneys from movies, television, books, documentaries, and podcasts. @leerosevere composed the intro and outro. @omniboi and @chalolo composed music played during the discussion.
53 minutes | Dec 19, 2018
The Sound Of The Police
Avi and Sajid talk to Sergeant Jeremy Jones. Jeremy has been with the Santa Clara Sheriff’s Office for around 10 years. Jeremy grew up on the East Side of San Jose. His father has been in and out of jail for much of Jeremy’s life. He talks about how experiences with his father and police shaped his approach to policing and service. This includes working alongside incarcerated people to build obstacles for a charitable race (http://heroesrunscc.com) and providing gifts to the children of people in jail. This conversation is different that previous episodes. Hope you listen and enjoy. Music in this episode is composed by Lee Rosevere, Omniboi, and Chris Zabriskie.
33 minutes | Nov 14, 2018
Justice for Dazia Lee
In this episode of Aider & Abettor, Avi and Sajid talk about a North Carolina Sheriff’s decision to charge Dazia Lee with involuntary manslaughter of her one year old child. Ms. Lee’s son slipped through her arms after a car accident in flood waters. The discussion goes into some of the moral and legal reasons against turning this tragedy into a criminal prosecution. In the second segment, they debrief on some criminal justice victories from the midterms. Music in this episode is by @leerosevere. The segment shift is by Chris Zabriskie.
49 minutes | Oct 1, 2018
We Gotta Make a Change
Avi and Sajid are joined by veteran Public Defender Brian Matthews. They discuss a wave of criminal justice reform in California. The topics include the elimination of cash bail, laws designed to protect kids from prosecution, and a major change to the felony murder rule. The intro clip is Senator Nancy Skinner asking a Public Safety Committee to approve her bill reforming the felony murder rule. Music in this episode is by @leerosevere and @omniboi.
45 minutes | Aug 12, 2018
In this episode of Aider & Abettor, Avi and Sajid react to an order by Ohio Judge John Russo to gag Franklyn Williams with red duct tape. This type of breakdown does not happen in a vacuum. They discuss the larger context, possible ways to prevent this from happening, and some of their experiences of courtroom volatility. Music in this episode is by @omniboi and @leerosevere. Please check out and support those artists. If you enjoy the episode, please share and review.
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