About This Show
One church leader, one calling, one honest conversation.
An interview show about the nature of church leadership, the inherent struggles that come with that calling, and the many different ways God has shaped individuals to work within his church.
Every episode features a long-form, highly personal interview with a church leader.
Most Recent Episode
We Found Fellowship on the Opposite Side of the Immigration Debate
Rodney S. Scott and Jamie Gates are unlikely friends: Scott serves as Chief Patrol Agent of the El Centro Sector Border Patrol on the California-Mexico Border, while Gates teaches sociology and directs the Center for Justice & Reconciliation at Point Loma Nazarene University. One feels called by God to protect and serve his country through enforcing immigration laws; the other feels called to pursue justice through immigration reform—which sometimes involves protesting those very same laws.
For some, such disagreements might seem insurmountable. As Christians, however, Scott and Gates see their ideological differences as opportunities to seek reconciliation and display their unity as brothers in Christ.
On this week’s episode of The Calling, Scott and Gates sit down to chat about their disparate callings, their improbable friendship, and how choosing conversation over confrontation has enabled them to better serve both their communities and their God.