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Elisa Saunders is a former school teacher and woman in long term recovery. She has worked in the treatment industry as a business development rep most recently with Foundations Recovery Network. in this episode we discuss getting uncomfortable, fear, stepping out, body brokers, a changing treatment industry, and how recovery has changed our lives. 

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