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Lesli Johnson, MFT joins us to discuss clinical issues around adoption. She brings her own personal perspective as someone who is adopted as well as a caring and passionate clinical approach to this subject. She discusses a concept known as the Ghost Kingdom and the challenges and trauma adoptees and adoptive parents face. Not many people specialize in this work but it touches almost everyone - therapist or not. Definitely a great listen.

This episode is exclusively sponsored by Ben Caldwell Labs, creating a more effective, more empowered generation of psychotherapists. Check them out at


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