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What the world needs in these troubled times is someone to blame. A scapegoat or, in this instance, a scapepangolin.

For it turns out everyone’s favourite curly, scaley, insect-snuffling-y, heavily trafficked nature weirdos are very much in the dock for unleashing Covid-19 on the world. But is all as it seems? Dave has read some SCIENCE, and reveals all.

Also this week, an absolute thug of a plant. If you encounter Giant Hogweed, for pete’s sake just give it whatever it wants and back away quietly.

Sustainababble is your friendly environment podcast, out weekly. Theme music by the legendary Dicky Moore – @dickymoo. Sustainababble logo by the splendid Arthur Stovell. Ecoguff read out by Arabella.

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