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“If I can’t break through the wall the first time, just give me a thicker helmet and more rocket fuel and I’ll get through it the next time. And, through a lot of perseverance and hard work, I could do that…MOST of the time. But I was a mess.” —Bob Willbanks. In this episode, Bob and I discuss his powerful business and spiritual journeys and how he now integrates both in Ambassadors For Business (AFB), a Christian organization that connects faith values and work so we can grow together and change our communities from the inside out. Bob is one of my favorite people and you can find more about his work at and at Show notes for this episode can be found at Enjoy!

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