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Episode Info: is a SaaS product that allows companies to create, manage, and send all of their messages between their apps & their customers. The software solves a common headache by providing a no-code-required solution for product teams — one in which you can pipe in events from platforms like Segment and then drag and drop automated email messages.

Since their launch in 2012, has grown rapidly — to 41 employees and more than 1200+ customers ranging from SaaS to lot and beyond!

In our conversation with Colin Nederkoorn, the CEO & co-founder of, we’ll cover the origin story and how he powered early growth through directly talking to customers. Then, we’ll dive into why word of mouth has been such a powerful growth method for their brand. Finally, our conversation dives into how Colin is approaching the development of paid & partner marketing, fundraising, brand, and remote culture.

0:00 — Introduction
3:25 — What is What’s the origin story behind the company?
4:46 — Email felt like the universal thing we could affect. We were email only for 3 out of the 6 years.
7:45 — Learning to describe your customers is important — we sell to product teams
8:30 — Who do people switch from? What’s the use case for a product team using
9:25 — How did you get your first customers?
9:45 — We reached out to talk to and learn from future customers in forums and on Twitter
10:45 — Playing the long game is important. Early conversation with marketer at (Moz) became a sale 6 years later when that person was a CMO at another company.
11:22 — Launched in private beta in April 2012 with 5 companies paying us $10/month. Then opened as a public beta product about 4 months later.
12:05 — "People have their guard up when they think any conversation is going to lead to a sale at the end... If I was starting a company from scratch again, I’d start talking to people even if I had nothing to sell them”
13:05 — How are you acquiring customers today?
13:50 — The way supports agency clients differently
15:00 —’s entrance into paid marketing
16:18 — As a CEO, how do guide your CMO to approach entering the paid space?
19:30— What levers are you thinking about pulling when you are focused on growth?
20:30 — Branding and messaging is important. We’re in a crowded space. You really quickly want to give a customer value.
22:20 — “So much of what people consider conventional has never felt right to me and our company”
23:20 — Colin’s decision in having a fully distributed team
26:18 —'s untraditional approach to fundraising. “We view funding as a tool to get to the next stage of the business.”
28:40 — CEO to CEO, what’s the best thing you’ve done to develop yourself?
30:48 — Why we sleep
31:45 — The Salty Six

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