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This week, we go on a deep dive with the brilliant Melanie Dewberry, a coach, speaker, author, and indigenous ceremonialist.

This was a very different kind of conversation for this podcast. Melanie gets real, and she gets deep down to the gritty, unpolished truth here. And honestly, this ended up being one of the most valuable conversations to me personally, that I’d had in a while.

We talked about what it means to advocate for change, w/o being trapped inside the very system you are trying to change. We talked about the harm we do to ourselves when we are always reacting to what the system throws at us. And we talked about accessing a place of greater truth, stillness, and love, that’s inside of all of us, and learning to act from there.


I’ve been distilling every interview I do on this podcast into tips that any nonprofit leader or social entrepreneur can use in their work, and I’ve been sharing it in an email to my subscribers.

For instance, the week after this episode comes out, I’ll be sharing an email based on my conversation with Melanie that will provide journaling prompts that can help you bring some of her wisdom into your daily life as a leader.  

So if you’d like to get these emails every other week, you can go to, and subscribe there. 

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