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For this week’s podcast, we bring you inside the first Third Wave Node event in New York City for a conversation between Dr. Will Siu — trained by MAPS for MDMA-assisted psychotherapy — and The Third Wave’s Paul Austin about the medicalization of psychedelics.

Will is a practicing psychiatrist working with patients on a daily basis and a passionate advocate for integrating psychedelics into psychiatric treatment models; he’s also experienced his own mental health struggles and the all-too-familiar frustrations with the limits of the current medical paradigm. All of this gives him a unique perspective on the topic of medicalization.

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