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We chat Jason's thighs and hands. Thankfully, CRISPR is working, and might fix those for him soon. Counties in Virginia (and maybe Jerry Falwell) are jumping ship. That's OK, because maps may not be that accurate anyway, and your GPS is dumb. If that's got you down, it's for good reason: there are plagues on the way!

Then we chat with Enneagram expert and author, pastor and consultant Nate Bebout about his new book, "More than a Number". You can learn more at or


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