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Episode Info: In this episode, John introduces Ben the co-host for this podcast. Ben briefly discusses his addiction and recovery and a conversation flows from there. Topics covered include: twelve step culture, atheism and agnosticism, growing up with an alcoholic, and the dangers of labeling oneself as an addict. Transcript 00:00 John: My Secular Sobriety is an addiction recovery podcast giving voice to the secular person in recovery. [music] 00:23 John: So yes, I’m John, and I am your host. And I’m here with Ben, our co-host for My Secular Sobriety. It’s a fairly new podcast. We just got started. Oh, well, this is episode seven. So for a couple of months anyway. And the whole idea of this podcast was to really highlight options for people in recovery who identify as atheist, agnostic, or just in any way, secular. In fact, they don’t even have to identify as secular. They might very well be religious, but not necessarily want their religion to do with their recovery. And there are options available for people beyond the 12 steps and AA. And I was really hoping that we could highlight those options for people. 01:20 John: And Ben, I’ve known for quite a while. I guess we met back in 2014, and he has participated with me in a lot of podcasts, on the other podcasts that I do. And it’s just been… It’s always fun to talk with him, and so I asked him to co-host this with me because I knew there would be episodes like this where we wouldn’t have a guest, and I need someone else to talk to. So Ben, how you doing?  01:50 Ben: Pretty good, John. Been enjoying the nice weather here. I’m sure it’s been probably even a little bit warmer down there. 01:57 John: Yeah, it is nice. I was actually up in Chicago last week and it was cold as hell, and so it’s nice to be back here. And yeah, it was really nice. Just like sweater weather, like in the 60s yesterday anyway, and so nice weather for taking the dog for a walk. 02:15 Ben: Yeah, for sure. 02:17 John: Anyway, why don’t we get started here? I thought maybe it might be good, Ben, just to kinda introduce you. I had an introductory episode where I talked a little bit about myself. So let’s introduce you, and I’ll let you begin. 02:36 Ben: Sounds good. Well, I’ve been sober for, coming up on 13 years. Let’s see, I don’t know. I’ll give a just brief little recap of it. I drank in high school a little bit, nothing to where it was problematic, but I can look back and say that I really always enjoyed it a lot. And then probably right about early college is when it really became pretty obvious problem. And like many people had a little bit of legal problems because of it, life problems as well, just not moving forward career-wise, and just emotional issues. 03:17 Ben: And then I finally got a second DUI in 2007, and that prompted me to take a harder look, and I’ve been sober since then actually. So yeah, like we talked about on this podcast, some time went to AA, courts asked me to go there...
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