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What does empathy look like in practice? And where do our responsibilities lie when confronted with people whose lack of empathy threatens to dehumanize another person? We had both of those questions unexpectedly thrust upon us in real time this week, in a random coffee shop in Gresham, Oregon. We felt like we acquitted ourselves all right, although of course we also both felt afterwards as though there were more eloquent words we could have chosen in the moment, and the encounter left us with a lot on our minds. We talk in the second half of this episode about what happened and what we learned.And then of course our tour is ongoing! The rest of this episode is devoted to talking about the people we're meeting and the interactions we're having. It's been a wonderful week, and we'll tell you all about it.Subscribe in your podcast app of choice to get our biweekly free episodes, and unlock access to member-exclusive episodes at!

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