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Show Notes-

Today on Cultivating the Lovely, MacKenzie Koppa has a conversation with Lisa Leonard, independent designer and author of the new book Brave Love: Making Space for You to Be You. Lisa is a wife and mom to 2 sons, one of whom was born with Cornelia de Lange Syndrome. Together MacKenzie and Lisa explore how we can find ourselves again in the midst of mothering and marriage challenges:

  • What MacKenzie loved about Brave Love and why
  • How Lisa came to write this book
  • The background on Lisa’s son David’s disabilities
  • Motherhood and losing yourself in the every day demands

  • Getting help and letting other people love on our kids
  • The high expectations we and our culture have of mothers
  • Lisa’s tips for avoiding or healing from burnout:
    • Find a good counsellor
    • Make space for quiet in your days
  • MacKenzie and Lisa share more about their marriage struggles
  • A typical day in Lisa’s life

God really loves me right now, no matter what. -Lisa Leonard
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Current Lovelies

Lisa: giving herself freedom to let things go and not have to be in control of it all

MacKenzie: giving herself grace in podcasting expectations

Resources Mentioned Books:

Brave Love


This American Life



Keeping the Faith

Legally Blonde

Find Lisa-

You can find Lisa’s designs on her website, and her blog at You can also follow her on Instagram, Facebook, Pinterest and Twitter.

Find MacKenzie-

You can find MacKenzie Koppa on Instagram, Facebook, and the CTL Facebook Group, of course! You can also listen to her family-friendly podcast The Same Page!

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