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This week, we interview Jarrett and Jeanne Stevens! These dear friends have been married for 23 years and have so much wisdom packed into this episode! They share about how productivity can replace intimacy, how you can run hard and forget to rest, and the importance of learning to exercise your “no muscle.” They didn’t hold back in sharing their life changing moments in their marriage, which was vulnerable and beautiful. Lastly, we learned a new phrase: “the clean agreement.” You don’t want to miss this one!

Pre-order Jarrett’s book coming out in January here: PRAYING THROUGH

Welcome to the Love or Work Podcast, hosted by Andre Shinabarger (Physician Assistant, Grady Hospital) and Jeff Shinabarger (Social Entrepreneur and Founder of Plywood People). They are asking the question: Is it possible to change the world, stay in love and raise a healthy family? 100 interviews where Jeff and Andre learn from other working families in the journey of marriage, purpose and parenting.


Love or Work is a project of Plywood People.
Plywood is a non-profit in Atlanta leading a community of start-ups doing good.

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