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Gretta Vosper is an ordained minister of the United Church of Canada who, as a self-professed atheist, has survived an official review from her denomination and continues to serve as the pastor of her congregation. In this conversation, Bart Campolo talks with Gretta about the story of the last few years, why she stays in her church, what her congregation believes about a supernatural God (Gretta doesn't think it matters), whether the foundational narrative underlying the good morality Gretta is teaching is important or not, the differences between the United States and Canada and whether the social safety net has an effect on the amount of religiosity, and their shared mission. Gretta Vosper's website can be found at — Follow this podcast to stay up-to-date: Twitter: @HumanizeMePod Instagram: @HumanizeMePodcast Facebook Group: Not a supporter on Patreon yet? Join up at and get extra content for it! Got a question for Bart to answer in a future show? Call the ‘Q Line’ at (424) 291-2092. Humanize Me is hosted by Bart Campolo and is produced by John Wright at

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