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Episode Info: Welcome to episode 59 of the Nerd Journey Podcast [@NerdJourney]! We’re John White (@vJourneyman) and Nick Korte (@NetworkNerd_), two Pre-Sales Technical Engineers who are hoping to bring you the IT career advice that we wish we’d been given earlier in our careers. In today’s episode we have part 2 of an interview with Kelly Schroeder about the technical management career and advice for the would-be manager. Original Recording Date: 10-15-2019 Topics – Kelly Schroeder Interview 02:19 – Kelly’s Current Role as a Manager – Observations and Lessons * How is this role different than his previous positions? * The organization is a different scale with over 2000 employees. The IT Department is 80 people, and Kelly has 15 people under him (2 supervisors and 4 direct reports). * This is wildly different than what he has done in the past. With a team this large, he cannot do anything technical (no room to fit into his day). * Kelly was hired into this job to replace someone on the way out. He replaced a quality person who had built a great team and considers himself of a maintainer than a builder. * Kelly realized the person he was replacing had truly cared about the wellbeing of her team. She understood them, knew them on a personal level, and helped shape them to be better people. * John mentioned some of the great managers he’s had exhibited the same qualities. * At Kelly’s level, he can know all the people on his team and interact with everyone. * Even though he manages managers today, the fundamental principle of caring for his people does not change. * If he was a level or two higher and over a larger team the connection with each person would not be feasible. * We’re not sure how more senior level leaders handle this, but maybe we need to have one on the show. * When managing managers, Kelly can set an expectation / vision and ask managers to communicate to their teams, but it’s extremely difficult to step back and avoid micromanagement. * John shares a fun anecdote about how to properly raise a flag in the military. * 12:44 – John White School of Mentoring Plug * Pulling back from micromanagement comes down to respect. * It feels disrespectful for him to do someone else’s job. When he gets the urge, he thinks about the way he would want to be treated and changes course. * Is managing like parenting? Listen to Kelly give some great advice here. 16:02 – Advice for the Would Be Manager * Know what your leadership looks like. * Some feel leadership looks like a charismatic leader of a large organization (Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, etc.). Because of this misconception, Kelly originally doubted his ability to be a leader. * Kelly took a StrengthsFinder training and realized he could leverage his relational strengths to lead instead of trying to be like someone who he thinks is a leader. * The StrengthsFinder assessment is just another personality assessment that focuses specifically on your strengths rather than on wha...
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