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Doug and Jeff welcome Charlie Capen to the podcast this week to discuss taking the conversation about fatherhood forward and beyond the complacency of meme culture, honing our focus and reading more, and questioning aloud: must all messaging be "snackable"? Finally, Charlie dishes on the GISH model for making do-gooding more interactive with Misha Collins as a Chaotic Good force in the world.

Join us at Dad 2.0 Summit in Washington D.C. from Feb 27-29 2020.

The music in this episode is "Too Cool" by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com). Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License.

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