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Episode Info:

While some may play the Alphabet Game on a road trip, Casey and Bonnie get into a deep conversation on two tried and true Christian approaches - Apologist or Evangelist.

Jeff and Raj are brought into Casey’s and Bonnie’s road trip question:  Are you an apologist or an evangelist? In other words, are you more interested in defending Christianity (or as Casey says, put lipstick on a pig) or in spreading the good news of unconditional love?  Jeff wonders if the question poses a false dichotomy, maybe it’s possible to be both an apologist and an evangelist depending on the issue at hand.

For those of us who still find life in the way of Jesus after deconstructing our evangelical fundamentalist faith, Jeff, Casey, Raj and Bonnie invite us into deeper deconstruction -- like, deconstructing the motivation behind our decision to remain Christian, albeit progressive Christian.  Using the story of an unconventional baptism in Casey’s hot tub, the mikvah scene from Netflix’s Orange is the New Black and a cry to abolish church organs, the Irenicast crew wonders about Christianity’s ability to overcome historical limitations and truly make all things new.

After all that talk about evangelism -- literally, the good message.  In our segment, Jeff, Raj, Casey and Bonnie reveal the Top 3 pre-deconstruction Christian songs that they still jam to when no one is looking.  ‘Cause it’s embarrassing and the message isn’t always good.


Conversation on Apologist or Evangelist (01:01)

Top 3 Pre-Deconstruction Christian Songs Segment (48:50)



From Our Conversation on Apologist or Evangelist

From Our Top 3 Pre-Deconstruction Christian Songs Segment



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Jeff Manildi | producer & co-host |

Jeff is co-founder of Irenicast and loves all things that tell a story: people, movies, tv, music, comics, etc.

Follow Jeff (@JeffManildi) on facebook, instagram & twitter.  You can also listen to Jeff’s other podcast Divine Cinema.


Rev. Allen Marshall O’Brien | co-host |

Allen is the pastor of a UCC church in Northern California, resident chaplain at an area hospital, and co-founder of Irenicast. He believes in the importance of education, peace, and ecology and writes for multiple platforms.

You can follow Allen (@RevAllenOB) on Facebook,Twitter, Instagram, & Good Reads.  Also if you are in the Sacramento, CA area check out Allen’s brick and mortar version of this podcast called Intersections.


Rev. Bonnie Rambob | co-host |

Bonnie is the co-pastor at Parkside Community Church. Bonnie has also served the Congregational Church of San Mateo as Transitional Minister for Intergenerational Education.  As a graduate of Pacific School of Religion in Berkeley, she offers expertise in multi-faith leadership, the spirituality of children, process theology and church organizational structure.  Drawing from her fundamentalist Christian background, she co-leads several outreach ministries to those spiritual travelers who are migrating out of fundamentalist Christianity. 


Rev. Raj Rambob | co-host |

Rajeev Rambob (Raj) is spouse, of 26 years, to Bonnie Rambob. Both Bonnie and Raj are ordained ministers in the United Church of Christ. They have two adult children who are intelligent, creative, hilarious and kind. Raj has been a K-12 educator and principal.  Raj transitioned from K-12 leadership to executive leadership in the nonprofit sector. Raj's non-profit experience is largely in homelessness. Currently Raj is Executive Director of Amador Tuolumne Community Action Agency (ATCAA). ATCAA is a multi-service, anti-poverty, agency that serves two counties.  Raj loves thoughtful and irreverent conversation over food and drink with family and trusted friends.

You can follow Raj on Facebook and at


Pastor Casey Tinnin | co-host |

Casey is the pastor of Loomis Basin Congregational Church in Loomis California.  He is one of the co-creators of Intersections which is a support group that meets once a month to deconstruct their evangelical past. Casey also created a non-religious LGBT teen group, The Landing Spot, that meets once a month. When Casey isn’t preaching, protesting, or providing pastoral care he enjoys spending his time reading comic books, talking about theology, politics and sex, baking, cooking, kayaking and spending time with his partner Jose of six years and walking their dog Kole.

You can follow Casey on Twitter and Facebook, or you can check out his blog The Queerly Faithful Pastor or Gutter Theology



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