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Ben Domenech and Shadi Hamid discuss and debate the U.S. position in Syria and relationship with Saudis after the Khashoggi crisis. They also dive into liberalism, religion as an institution, and how religions can be exploited as political movements. Shadi Hamid is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institute and author of the book, "Islamic Exceptionalism: How the Struggle Over Islam Is Reshaping the World."

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