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Can learning and development ever adopt the same rigour as clinical research? And how should we judge the usefulness of existing research?

This week on The GoodPractice Podcast, Ross G and Owen welcome return guest Mirjam Neelen to discuss her new book (co-written with Paul A. Kirschner): Evidence-informed learning design

We discuss:

  • the problems with research into learning
  • the mis-use of terms like 'neuroscience' to justify beliefs
  • the difference between corporate learning and academia.

If you'd like to share your thoughts on the show, you can find us on Twitter @RossGarnerGP@OwenFerguson, and @MirjamN.

To find out more about GoodPractice, visit or tweet us @GoodPractice or @GoodPracticeAus.

Mirjam's book is available from Kogan Page and she blogs at:

The blog Mirjam referenced, by Robert Slavin, was 'Why Can’t Education Progress Like Medicine Does?', available online at:

The Willingham (2012) book Mirjam referenced was When Can You Trust the Experts?, available from Amazon ( but summarised here: 

The summary of the 'growth mindset' debate, referenced by Owen, is online here: 

Ross' recommendations were:

  • 11.22.63 (novel), by Stephen King
  • Little Women (film), directed by Greta Gerwig
  • and Dolly Parton's America (podcast), available on all your usual podcast feeds.

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