Derek Dodge and Will C. Sullivan are life and filmmaking husbands. They specialise in making "improv" films. Their latest dramatic collaboration "The Ring Thing" is showing at Queerscreen's 25th Mardi Gras Film Festival and at Melbourne Queer Film Festival in 2018. Here we talk about filmmaking, creative and life partnerships. My favourite piece of advice is "Don't wait for someone to give you permission" if you want to make a film (or any creative pursuit).