Ultra running legend Kirk Apt joins me on the podcast this time. If you don't know Kirk, and you fancy yourself an endurance sportsman/sportswoman, then you probably ought to give a listen. Kirk is an extraordinary person and he just so happens to have finished forty-four 100-mile footraces (yes, 44!, as in almost 4 dozen -- you read that right). And to add one more element to make yourself feel just a touch lazy: 1. Eighteen of those finishes have been at the HardRock -- clearly one of the toughest races on the planet with a top-out elevation of 14,042 ft and a total gain/loss of just a titch under 68,000 feet of climbing. 2. Another eighteen finishes have come at Leadville, and, 3. He's not done yet! Kirk is gonna race and finish for the foreseeable future. In this podcast we discuss training and racing (of course), but Kirk is also a PhD-level student of the mental and spiritual aspects of ultra-sport, so he has some great insights in how any runner can approach their training, and keep themselves fresh. He has such a great attitude that you can't help but look differently at your "boring" weekday runs and rides. Kirk is a practicing massage therapist and "Rolf-er", and he brings the same amount of attention and focus to his work as he does his running -- after talking with him about his approach to body-work it made me want to go out and start getting massages regularly again! Hope you enjoy, and, as always, leave me some feedback here or on whichever portal you downloaded this podcast from.